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Title: Pat Buchanan's make-believe America
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Lew Rockwell
URL Source: http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/011270.html#more
Published: Sep 3, 2006
Author: Ryan W. McMaken
Post Date: 2006-09-04 21:41:25 by Burkeman1
Keywords: None
Views: 704
Comments: 66
I have never believed (and I still don't) all the claims made against Pat Buchanan (by people like William F. Buckley) alleging that he is some kind of anti-Semite or racist, but I have always been alarmed by his inability (shared by most conservatives) to recognize the incompatibility between his quasi libertarian side and his raging nationalist side. Some recent comments that a friend pointed out from this interview were particularly worth second guessing: What do we have in common that makes us fellow Americans? Is it simply citizenship? Or is it blood, soil, history and heroes? Blood and soil? Uh, there is one word to describe this line: creepy. What's next, a speech on how we're "one people, one fatherland", etc.? And then, there's this line: The country I grew up in was culturally united, even if it was racially divided. We spoke the same language, had the same faith, laughed at the same comedians. We were one nationality. Only an upper middle-class Anglo (Irish are now honorary Anglos) could actually believe this. The same faith? Um, isn't Buchanan ostensibly Catholic? How can he say this with a straight face? Does he honestly think that back in the good ol' days that Baptists and Catholics all thought they all had the "same faith?" There is significant evidence to the contrary. However, if he is claiming that all Christians are pretty much the same in terms of cultural unity, then the new immigrants shouldn't pose a problem as only a tiny minority of them are non-Christians. Hispanics are virtually all either Catholics or Evangelicals. The Asians that move here are largely Catholics or Presbyterians or Evangelicals. Practicing Muslims and Buddhists make up approx. 1% of the population combined. Mr. Buchanan should do some more homework on the religion issue.
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#21. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
wow, the MB's are looking and sounding damn good still.
Now that was a sizzling economy...which none of will ever see again in our lifetimes. The 50's were America's peak. Even then you could see the cracks forming. After that is was a downhill slide as FEDGOV consolidated power, killed of the last of states rights, and fiddled with the money supply to allow for endless warfare. Excellent assessment.
hehehehehe.....(did I get a blind fold and a cigarette?)
Not bad for post 60 years. What a unique band.
We still had tariffs on everything so almost everything was made locally. I was just listening to a program on this. Some of the tariffs were 95%. The highest we have now are 7&. The only imports were high end European goods and really low end stuff from Japan. "Made in Japan" was a slur that meant cheap junk. I think a lot of the world's economy hadn't yet recovered from the war and there wasn't a lot of competition in things like automobiles.
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1864 baseball with Conan O'Brien http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7486119555302295313&sourceid=zeitgeist
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers One People? Well I have a distinctly different experience. I live in a city that was intensly tribal with resentful Irish who decidely did not ever feel like "One People". This was a city with a Cardinal who forbade Catholics from entering a protestant house of worship and that set up the most extensive parochail school system in the country precisely to avoid protestant dominated public schools. For years- mayoral races in Boston were dominated by who could beat the yankee brahmins over the head the most. This was a country in which Woodrow Wilson once denounced "hyphenated" Americans like Irish and Germans as "traitors" and ran hate filled campaigns with rhetoric barely better than the Klan's. The 1950's is a decade that erased the "ethnic" from the public consciousness as much as possible- or presented them as "assimiliated" protestant clones. Some see, the subsequent "forced busing" years of the late 60's and 70's as a disguised Anglo assault on "ethnic" white and catholic America- an attempt to destroy their neighborhoods and sense of community and unity and spread them out into homegenized "suburbs". "One People?" A fiction.
That and one last word of contrition. I did it for your own good as I could not envision you in a commune.
So when did they stop calling little radios made with transistors "Transistor Radios"?
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who would have ever thought we'd have to think like this at this point in our lives? No foolin'. Hey, RR, hope your tax problems do not seem hopeless. I recently beat them on over $8k they said I owed. They just disappeared after I sent in some special paperwork.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
Great post.
76?
Do I hear a fat lady singing?
I realize I’m probably a committee of one, but I’d argue the legacy of the 60s includes the fall of communism. Despite every effort, the decadence of the West crept past the Iron Curtin and inculcated the Stalinist robots, beginning with our age contemporaries. Vodka rather than pot was their drug of choice and rather than tune out, they slept in.
If the 60s was a cultural revolution, what should we expect 40 years later after the worst repression since King George III? Here's a hint... We need more rope! ;0)
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
I would rephrase that thusly... "The 1950s is a decade that accentuated ethnicity into the public consciousness." The 1960s of JFK, Camelot, drugs, diversity etc has factionalized this country into its present state.
Orange Julius is the correct answer.
I saw that in the Eastern Europeans in the early 1980s. They were about 15 years behind the times. Basically a bunch of hippies who thought their authoritarian leaders were full of bullshit. They wanted to party like the peeople did in the west.
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Yep, I remember vividly the black market for Jeans and Beatle records in the USSR. I knew the red menace was over once Rubber Soul took hold. So much for the bullshit Reagan legacy, it was Lennon and Jagger that killed the beast :)
Yes, rope and a field of sturdy trees.
I think you just committed a hate crime.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers When Krushchev denounced Stalin in 1956, it opened the door for truth to creep in and thus the destruction of the Soviet system.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
Yep, and it also validated the Trotskyites who have morphed into neoconservative Republicans. And some think history isn't important. It's no wonder it isn't taught any longer.
brutal honesty.
This decade will bring 1984.
....... Shhhh....don't tell Dershowitz.
Best answer on the thread.
Best answer on the thread. agree
This decade will bring 1984. zing zing "If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers That's right. Someone might just figure out whose neck to put that noose around if true history was taught. ;0)
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
America worked as a multi-ethnic state so long as there was enough room for the various groups to seperate and live in like minded groups; but now we've run out of room. Some baby boomers were sounding the alarm on over population 20 to 30 years ago. FEDGOV went with "forced bussing" in hopes of staving off the inevatable. They just can't get though their heads that you can't fit an infinite amount of people onto a finite land mass. I always defined an American as someone who was looking to escape the politcal follies of thier home country and trying to make a better life for themselves without outside forces hindering them. I guess I can't use than anymore. The US government is just as bloated and dominate as any nation in Europe or Asia and her people are demanding a nanny state as loud as any Frenchman or German would demand.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
"Stop at 2" That was so there would be more room for the new neighbors who think there's room for another billion here.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers You believe in some unity that was NEVER there. The 1870's, 80's, 90's, and early years of the 20th would have made your mind explode if you think the 1960's "factionalized" this country.
funny shit
....... I don't see why you consider the 1950s to be totalitarian. Here are some aspects of the 1950s that show that decade to be LESS totalitarian than any decade after it. 1. Except in suh early bastions of "gun control" as New York and New Jersey you could freely purcahse MODERN firearms through in interstate commerce through the mail in the 1950s. Actually the main purpose of "gun magazines" at the time was adverts for mail order surplus gun companies. (Funny thing the crime rate was also LOWER than it was in any decade after the 1950s too.) 2. There was greater currency choice in the 1850s with silver and silver certificates still being a viable choice along with United States Notes as competitors against the Federal reserve Notes. 3. While there was full "compulsory attendence" schooling at the time and Home Schooling was out of the question during the 1950s there was a greater degree of school choice in the public school system than there is now. One could go for so called progressive education, traditional discipline education, prayer and Bible Reading or no Prayer and Bible reading all within the same public systems. Kids were also generally allowed to be KIDS in the public schools of the 1950s and not subject to education in "adult" subjects such as sexual perversion and "situational" ethics. 4. Even with driver's and pilot's licensing he right to travel was far more respected in the 1950s than it is now. This is what gave rise to the tourism industry. Today, probably even without the "War on Terror" to ease the transition for the NWO travel has become like being sentenced to an airborne or rail bound PRISON. 5. In the 1950s "eminent domain" was used ONLY on genuinely ininhabitable buildings in most cases and soully for the building of PUBLIC facilities like roads, airports, train stations, parks. etc. Now it can be used against virtually ANY property owner no matter what state of repair his property is in if the land in question is deemed "environmentally sensitive" or "critical habitat" for some obscure "endangered species". It can also be used against any property owner by NWO corporations to steal land and build new PRIVATE facilities on it. 6. Copyright and Patent were still seen as what the Founders of this nation intended for them TEMPORARY ENCENTIVE MONOPOLIES that returned to the public domain after a definite expiration date in the 1950s. These are just some of the ways in which the America of the 1950s was much more free and less totalitarian than the America of today. If you really look into the 1850s i immagine you can find more examples that would show that was a less totalitarian decade that any that came after it. Now about that conformity issue always tied with the 1950s. Was there really that much forced conformity in what for all intents and purposes was the decade of the first wave of Rock 'n' Roll????!!!! The so called "conformity" was actually a voluntary complience with the basic rules of etuquete, dress and decorum necessary to mantain a civilization and all we have to do is look at the CRIME RATES and GENERAL MORAL DEGRADATION of later "non conforming" decades that allowed the NWO to end the free wheeling trade in firearms that existed in the 1950s to see that trading the REAL FREEDOM of the 1950s for the faux "non conformity" drug use and sexual freedom of later decades may not have been a good trade off after all.
"You believe in some disunity that was ALWAYS there." See how absurd it is to substitute ones own opinion for anothers. Totally meaningless and shallow of thought.
and now Pat seizes an opportunity to drive the wedge deeper into the cultural divide, just as he's done with the other RNC talking points leading up to election time, and then do an about-face and endorce the same beltway republicrap that he's been blowing out veins in his forehead over for the previous two years. spare me, Pat. what a pant-load. i quit reading anything of his over two years ago when he planted a big wet one on flubya's ass. Pat's opinion holds about as much air as an empty suit.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." Yep- Pat always has one foot firmly planted in the beltway. I don't feel a burning need to read his stuff either.
Um no. I don't.
You nailed it. Pat is now making the rounds on the Electric Jew pushing his book on the immigration crisis, no doubt in hopes it will be the wedge issue that will allow his beloved republicraps to keep control of Congress in the upcoming elections. He never mentions that Bushie the Younger and Arlen "magic bullet" Specter, both big-deal Republicans, are prime movers in the push to grant illegal aliens amnesty. Pat has all the credibility of a load of shit. He played the Trojan horse for the Establishment in the 2000 presidential election and wrecked the Reform Party so Bush could win the White House from Weird Al Gore. Pat is beneath contempt "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Samuel Johnson, 1775
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
1st. Rugged Nationalism is the only defense against this Governmentally condoned invasion from South and Latin America ... America "Protect it or lose it" ! Secondly, Racism is a fact of life, get over it. Racism doesn't mean we can't agree to disagree. We don't have to slobber all over each other to determine the necessity of remaining free to disagree. [Lots of white guys died to eradicate slavery, and though it's never mentioned we should never forget that.] Americans of all races are still Americans ... everyone else get out. It's that simple. We can argue about the racial concerns later, and if we were all honest with each other, the race and gender being most ostracized and oppressed in Amerika today are white males. Americans need to grow up and face the realities destroying the nation. We have a criminal cabal operating their prejudice that is systematically dismantling the culture, the law and individual liberties of everyone. This is not a race issue. The unfettered invasion of foreigners is a tactic being employed to dillute the culture and create chaos through unemployment, housing, health, transportation,and a myriad of other problems relative to a society made up of peoples that attempt to live in an underground economic climate while being legally required to adhere to impossible regulations imposed from above. The Russians called it "internal exile". As far as Buchanan goes, he is a product of D.C., born, raised and educated there. He wrote speeches for Nixon, and allowed the Republican Party to throw him out after winning the New Hampshire Primary ... so that the Bush brat could become Mr. Dick-tater-head. Pat may be an incurable politician and a Republicrat beyond help, however he is correct in his analysis of the border problem, which is simply one of the many crisis generating issues created and implemented by BOTH PARTIES. Pat has been the most right minded Republican in his party related to the illegal invasion issue, and has been sent to the back of the Party bus. We need to unify every so-called gook, slope-head, kraut, rag-head, honky, spic, nigger, kike and whatever other True Americans want to remain free long enough to conduct arrests and trials of the mass murderers in D.C. ... then we can go back to acting like a bunch of immature little kids calling each other names. A purge of the current government complete with public hangings is a coming necessity.
"nemo me impune lacessit" no one provokes me with impunity
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#22. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#20)
The destruction of the western world's production capability left the US as the world's only producer. The 50's were good times, economic wise, for the Joe-6-Pack blue collar worker. Cheap houses, cheap cars, cheap food, and plenty of jobs.
#23. To: Cynicom (#19)
BANG.
#24. To: christine (#21)
#25. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#20)
#26. To: Cynicom (#15)
#27. To: Cynicom (#15)
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
(did I get a blind fold and a cigarette?)
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
(Edited)
#30. To: christine, Rabble Rouser (#14)
and if I don't end up in jail over taxes,
#31. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#20)
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
If the 50s caused the 60s (I agree), what will this repressive decade bring?
#33. To: Burkeman1, Cyni, all (#13)
The 1960's quickly veered off into sexual and drug induced hedonism
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
If the 50s caused the 60s (I agree), what will this repressive decade bring?
#35. To: Burkeman1 (#27)
The 1950's is a decade that erased the "ethnic" from the public consciousness as much as possible- or presented them as "assimiliated" protestant clones.
#36. To: Critter (#32)
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
I realize I’m probably a committee of one, but I’d argue the legacy of the 60s includes the fall of communism.
#38. To: ... (#37)
#39. To: BTP Holdings (#34)
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
Orange Julius is the correct answer.
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
I realize I’m probably a committee of one, but I’d argue the legacy of the 60s includes the fall of communism.
#42. To: BTP Holdings (#41)
#43. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#20)
As a friend who grew up in the 1960's had a teacher tell him: "You know all the rights we teach you about? They don't apply to people like you."
#44. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
If the 50s caused the 60s (I agree), what will this repressive decade bring?
“Why should they, the Americans, have trusted us? We were a bunch of Russians, socialist Russians.” -- Isser Harel, former head of Mossad, speaking of the unlikely union between America and the Marxist state of Israel.
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“They were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage.” -- Excerpt of a police report concerning the arrest of 5 Israeli intelligence operatives after they were seen by witnesses filming the destruction of the Twin Towers in New York and cheering.
#45. To: robin (#40)
#46. To: wakeup (#44)
#47. To: Jethro Tull, wakeup (#46)
1984
#48. To: wakeup (#44)
If the 50s caused the 60s (I agree), what will this repressive decade bring?
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#42)
Yep, and it also validated the Trotskyites who have morphed into neoconservative Republicans. And some think history isn't important. It's no wonder it isn't taught any longer.
#50. To: Burkeman1 (#31)
#51. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#50)
but now we've run out of room. Some baby boomers were sounding the alarm on over population 20 to 30 years ago.
#52. To: Cynicom (#35)
The 1960s of JFK, Camelot, drugs, diversity etc has factionalized this country into its present state.
#53. To: Jethro Tull (#38)
it was Lennon and Jagger that killed the beast :)
“Why should they, the Americans, have trusted us? We were a bunch of Russians, socialist Russians.” -- Isser Harel, former head of Mossad, speaking of the unlikely union between America and the Marxist state of Israel.
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“They were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage.” -- Excerpt of a police report concerning the arrest of 5 Israeli intelligence operatives after they were seen by witnesses filming the destruction of the Twin Towers in New York and cheering.
#54. To: Burkeman1 (#1)
#55. To: Burkeman1 (#52)
You believe in some unity that was NEVER there.
#56. To: Burkeman1 (#0)
The country I grew up in was culturally united, even if it was racially divided. We spoke the same language, had the same faith, laughed at the same comedians. We were one nationality.
-- William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783
#57. To: omerta (#56)
#58. To: Cynicom (#55)
See how absurd it is to substitute ones own opinion for anothers.
#59. To: omerta (#56)
and now Pat seizes an opportunity to drive the wedge deeper into the cultural divide, just as he's done with the other RNC talking points leading up to election time, and then do an about-face and endorce the same beltway republicrap that he's been blowing out veins in his forehead over for the previous two years. spare me, Pat. what a pant-load. i quit reading anything of his over two years ago when he planted a big wet one on flubya's ass. Pat's opinion holds about as much air as an empty suit.
#60. To: Burkeman1 (#0)
but I have always been alarmed by his inability (shared by most conservatives) to recognize the incompatibility between his quasi libertarian side and his raging nationalist side. Some recent comments that a friend pointed out from this interview were particularly worth second guessing:
#61. To: Burkeman1 (#58)
Um no. I don't.
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