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Title: Pat Buchanan's make-believe America
Source: Lew Rockwell
URL Source: http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/011270.html#more
Published: Sep 3, 2006
Author: Ryan W. McMaken
Post Date: 2006-09-04 21:41:25 by Burkeman1
Keywords: None
Views: 790
Comments: 66

I have never believed (and I still don't) all the claims made against Pat Buchanan (by people like William F. Buckley) alleging that he is some kind of anti-Semite or racist, but I have always been alarmed by his inability (shared by most conservatives) to recognize the incompatibility between his quasi libertarian side and his raging nationalist side. Some recent comments that a friend pointed out from this interview were particularly worth second guessing:

What do we have in common that makes us fellow Americans? Is it simply citizenship? Or is it blood, soil, history and heroes? Blood and soil? Uh, there is one word to describe this line: creepy. What's next, a speech on how we're "one people, one fatherland", etc.?

And then, there's this line:

The country I grew up in was culturally united, even if it was racially divided. We spoke the same language, had the same faith, laughed at the same comedians. We were one nationality. Only an upper middle-class Anglo (Irish are now honorary Anglos) could actually believe this. The same faith? Um, isn't Buchanan ostensibly Catholic? How can he say this with a straight face? Does he honestly think that back in the good ol' days that Baptists and Catholics all thought they all had the "same faith?" There is significant evidence to the contrary.

However, if he is claiming that all Christians are pretty much the same in terms of cultural unity, then the new immigrants shouldn't pose a problem as only a tiny minority of them are non-Christians. Hispanics are virtually all either Catholics or Evangelicals. The Asians that move here are largely Catholics or Presbyterians or Evangelicals. Practicing Muslims and Buddhists make up approx. 1% of the population combined.

Mr. Buchanan should do some more homework on the religion issue.

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#1. To: All (#0)

The country I grew up in was culturally united, even if it was racially divided. We spoke the same language, had the same faith, laughed at the same comedians. We were one nationality.

The 1950's, as close to a totalitarian decade as this country has come, is what some "conservatives" hark back to and what they mean by the "good old days". The above passage by Pat is what they think existed at that time. It was then, and is now- a lie. That American never existed- except on TV. The first TV decade- tighly controlled by three networks all presenting a stultifying image of American conformity- Anglo, protestant, homogenized- is what Pat dreams of.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-04   21:45:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Burkeman1 (#1)

That America never existed- except on TV. The first TV decade- tighly controlled by three networks all presenting a stultifying image of American conformity-

Many of us have learned that a lot of things we thought we so never were.

christine  posted on  2006-09-04   21:58:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#2)

Many of us have learned that a lot of things we thought so, never were.

Perhaps Pat is not articulating his thoughts to full advantage.

To my mind Pat may be using a platform for his argument that consists of two things.

One...He is old enough to remember from experience and from discussion with prior generations what this country was like with a small government, a government that was still the servant of the people, not their master.

Two... I recall knowledge of this country passed down to me from family members born before the Civil War. There was no despair concerning this country. There were tales of hard times, of having an opportunity to succeed, always stories of one country, one people.

At Appomattox, CSA General Longstreet, made the statement, "We have lost, that flag is now my flag".

That, after a failed Civil War. It was a "one people" then and lasted for nearly hundred years.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-04   22:32:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#15)

One People? Well I have a distinctly different experience. I live in a city that was intensly tribal with resentful Irish who decidely did not ever feel like "One People". This was a city with a Cardinal who forbade Catholics from entering a protestant house of worship and that set up the most extensive parochail school system in the country precisely to avoid protestant dominated public schools. For years- mayoral races in Boston were dominated by who could beat the yankee brahmins over the head the most.

This was a country in which Woodrow Wilson once denounced "hyphenated" Americans like Irish and Germans as "traitors" and ran hate filled campaigns with rhetoric barely better than the Klan's.

The 1950's is a decade that erased the "ethnic" from the public consciousness as much as possible- or presented them as "assimiliated" protestant clones.

Some see, the subsequent "forced busing" years of the late 60's and 70's as a disguised Anglo assault on "ethnic" white and catholic America- an attempt to destroy their neighborhoods and sense of community and unity and spread them out into homegenized "suburbs".

"One People?" A fiction.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-04   22:47:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Burkeman1 (#27)

The 1950's is a decade that erased the "ethnic" from the public consciousness as much as possible- or presented them as "assimiliated" protestant clones.

I would rephrase that thusly...

"The 1950s is a decade that accentuated ethnicity into the public consciousness."

The 1960s of JFK, Camelot, drugs, diversity etc has factionalized this country into its present state.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-04   22:57:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#35)

The 1960s of JFK, Camelot, drugs, diversity etc has factionalized this country into its present state.

You believe in some unity that was NEVER there. The 1870's, 80's, 90's, and early years of the 20th would have made your mind explode if you think the 1960's "factionalized" this country.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-05   0:06:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Burkeman1 (#52)

You believe in some unity that was NEVER there.

"You believe in some disunity that was ALWAYS there."

See how absurd it is to substitute ones own opinion for anothers. Totally meaningless and shallow of thought.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-05   4:28:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#55)

See how absurd it is to substitute ones own opinion for anothers.

Um no. I don't.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-05   5:14:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#61. To: Burkeman1 (#58)

Um no. I don't.

Expected.

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