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Title: Pat Buchanan's make-believe America
Source: Lew Rockwell
URL Source: http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/011270.html#more
Published: Sep 3, 2006
Author: Ryan W. McMaken
Post Date: 2006-09-04 21:41:25 by Burkeman1
Keywords: None
Views: 861
Comments: 66

I have never believed (and I still don't) all the claims made against Pat Buchanan (by people like William F. Buckley) alleging that he is some kind of anti-Semite or racist, but I have always been alarmed by his inability (shared by most conservatives) to recognize the incompatibility between his quasi libertarian side and his raging nationalist side. Some recent comments that a friend pointed out from this interview were particularly worth second guessing:

What do we have in common that makes us fellow Americans? Is it simply citizenship? Or is it blood, soil, history and heroes? Blood and soil? Uh, there is one word to describe this line: creepy. What's next, a speech on how we're "one people, one fatherland", etc.?

And then, there's this line:

The country I grew up in was culturally united, even if it was racially divided. We spoke the same language, had the same faith, laughed at the same comedians. We were one nationality. Only an upper middle-class Anglo (Irish are now honorary Anglos) could actually believe this. The same faith? Um, isn't Buchanan ostensibly Catholic? How can he say this with a straight face? Does he honestly think that back in the good ol' days that Baptists and Catholics all thought they all had the "same faith?" There is significant evidence to the contrary.

However, if he is claiming that all Christians are pretty much the same in terms of cultural unity, then the new immigrants shouldn't pose a problem as only a tiny minority of them are non-Christians. Hispanics are virtually all either Catholics or Evangelicals. The Asians that move here are largely Catholics or Presbyterians or Evangelicals. Practicing Muslims and Buddhists make up approx. 1% of the population combined.

Mr. Buchanan should do some more homework on the religion issue.

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#1. To: All (#0)

The country I grew up in was culturally united, even if it was racially divided. We spoke the same language, had the same faith, laughed at the same comedians. We were one nationality.

The 1950's, as close to a totalitarian decade as this country has come, is what some "conservatives" hark back to and what they mean by the "good old days". The above passage by Pat is what they think existed at that time. It was then, and is now- a lie. That American never existed- except on TV. The first TV decade- tighly controlled by three networks all presenting a stultifying image of American conformity- Anglo, protestant, homogenized- is what Pat dreams of.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-04   21:45:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Burkeman1 (#1)

That America never existed- except on TV. The first TV decade- tighly controlled by three networks all presenting a stultifying image of American conformity-

Many of us have learned that a lot of things we thought we so never were.

christine  posted on  2006-09-04   21:58:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#2)

Many of us have learned that a lot of things we thought so, never were.

Perhaps Pat is not articulating his thoughts to full advantage.

To my mind Pat may be using a platform for his argument that consists of two things.

One...He is old enough to remember from experience and from discussion with prior generations what this country was like with a small government, a government that was still the servant of the people, not their master.

Two... I recall knowledge of this country passed down to me from family members born before the Civil War. There was no despair concerning this country. There were tales of hard times, of having an opportunity to succeed, always stories of one country, one people.

At Appomattox, CSA General Longstreet, made the statement, "We have lost, that flag is now my flag".

That, after a failed Civil War. It was a "one people" then and lasted for nearly hundred years.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-04   22:32:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#15)

One People? Well I have a distinctly different experience. I live in a city that was intensly tribal with resentful Irish who decidely did not ever feel like "One People". This was a city with a Cardinal who forbade Catholics from entering a protestant house of worship and that set up the most extensive parochail school system in the country precisely to avoid protestant dominated public schools. For years- mayoral races in Boston were dominated by who could beat the yankee brahmins over the head the most.

This was a country in which Woodrow Wilson once denounced "hyphenated" Americans like Irish and Germans as "traitors" and ran hate filled campaigns with rhetoric barely better than the Klan's.

The 1950's is a decade that erased the "ethnic" from the public consciousness as much as possible- or presented them as "assimiliated" protestant clones.

Some see, the subsequent "forced busing" years of the late 60's and 70's as a disguised Anglo assault on "ethnic" white and catholic America- an attempt to destroy their neighborhoods and sense of community and unity and spread them out into homegenized "suburbs".

"One People?" A fiction.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-04   22:47:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Burkeman1 (#27)

Do you consider anytime in the USA's history as "good times"?

Brian S  posted on  2006-09-06   1:12:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Brian S (#65)

"Good Times"? There have been a lot of "Good Times" for lots of different people at different times. Hell- my family personally made out like bandits during the "Great Depression". That was "good time". What I am actively trying to ween myself away from are great big sweeping generalizations about "eras" and decadism in general. The "roaring 20's" were good for some Americans- not good for others. The 50's was supposedly a "golden Age"- I find it to be a depressing era of post war corporatism and neo fascism. When this or that group says such and such a time was a "good time" what the hell does that mean? It usually is someones agenda to say this time was "bad" or this time was "Good".

I guess for practical matters of discussion these measures have to be made. You ask me what was a "Good Time" in the US? How about all of it. Compared to the rest of the horrific history of this world- the history of the US is nearly bloodless (if you are not a native American that is) and rather free of the horrors the rest of the world routinely experiences.

But those times are past. The country is filled up and Human history- with all its glorious evil is catching up. If I had to guess- we are the apogee of the "good times" right now.

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