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Title: Interesting Challenge to Goldi-Lox on the Secret Banning of aristeides
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URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=157121&Disp=37#C27
Published: Sep 5, 2006
Author: Goder_Peretz
Post Date: 2006-09-05 11:55:25 by ...
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Views: 1792
Comments: 58
I came across this on LP. Goldi just blew it off. No answer at all. In my mind this is the final proof that LP has morphed from a free speech site into a pure propaganda site. Not that I didn't know that before, but I didn't have any hard evidence to support my opinion until this came along. 27. To: Goldi-Lox (#20) *SECOND REQUEST* Did you ban aristeides? If so, why? You've had more than one post from more than one member asking you about aristeides' evident "secret banning," without an announcement or explanation, approximately a week ago. You have ignored each query, even though you have found time to post materials such as an unsourced anonymous e-mail that you have excoriated others for posting in the past. Why don't you show some courage and integrity---some good manners even---and answer this question: DID YOU BAN ARISTEIDES? IF SO, WHY? Thank you for your prompt and candid response. Goder_Peretz posted on 2006-08-31 12:06:10 ET Reply Trace I wonder if Goder_Peretz gets the ax for raising an inconvenient fact.
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Good luck to him, but LP is a privately owned site and Goldi owes no explaination to anyone. It would be nice. It would be the right thing to do. But it is her site. If those paying her bills have no problem with her actions, then that's just the way it is. Considering the majority of butt- sniffers have come from Freik Repugnant, we know from experience that they encourage this sort of behavior, so Mr. Peretz should just vote with his feet and leave. That's just my opinion of course.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
Goldi often tries to avoid controversy arising over a banning by not issuing an official explanation post regarding it. I know that much about how she views this. But as we see, this in an of itself can make a larger controversy over a banning occur. She has also said she does not condone "harpie-like" behavior such as working to get another banned. That is something she says, but I find hard to believe.
That is something she says, but I find hard to believe. Yeah, well Bush said he was a conservative too. As we can see in both instances, actions speak louder than words.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
Does OKC still post on LP?
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Si. Mucho.
Really? Then why post rules at all. If you post rules, it is fair to ask why a person is banned. All she need do is respond, with any stupid answer since it is her site. Anyone that stays and supports that site with their presence, is condoning that which they know is hipocracy. Free Speech as defined by the Lobby. THAT is what the rule is. Those that support that, are not not working from the same page Americans call 'free-speech'.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
You are 100% right. But being right is irrelevant in this instance. Goldi as owner of the forum has a lot of power, which she increasingly uses capriciously and even wantonly....and always unaccountably. "Power tends to corrupt---absolute power corrupts absolutely." ---Lord Acton
(Red Highlight below added) I do not agree with you on this point. It is quite relevant when you claim to run a 'free speech' site. There are RULES for such. Otherwise, your forum has to be registered as something other. I don't know if it would be a 503C and subject to oversight.. but I know, she calls it a free-speech site for a reason. I remember it being mentioned at LP, by Goldie, but I don't have the specifics without wading through all the posts. Whether that's a crock or not, I'd like anyone here to clear that up. Also, during her fundraiser, she told people to leave the PAY TO line blank. (Though the donation page says to do otherwise). She said to do that because of the Patriot Act. If someone can explain this I'd appreciate it. ) ---------- http://www.libertypost.org/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=147681&Disp=8&Trace=on#C8 8. To: All (#0) Reminder: I prefer Paypal if at all possible. You can use your Visa, MC, or checking acct with that. And you don't need your own acct with them. Just click on the donate link at the top of the page, and follow the instructions. If you send a contribution by check, checks should NOT have anything in the TO line. Leave it blank, and I'll fill it in. Otherwise I will have to return them to you uncashed. The Patriot Act has made it impossible for me to cash anything with Liberty Post as the payee. In fact, I still have about 6 or 7 checks that I have to return that the bank won't honor. I'll try to get to that this week. Goldi-Lox posted on 2006-06-27 11:23:17 ET Reply Trace === 9. To: samcgwire (#6) Do you accept money orders? Yes. Just leave the payee line blank. Patriot Act won't allow me to cash them if Liberty Post is in the payee line. Goldi-Lox posted on 2006-06-27 11:24:46 ET Reply Trace ===== 283. To: liberator (#262) I should have told you not to put any name in the to slot, leave it blank. Due to the Patriot Act she cannot cash anything with the name Liberty Post, is what she said. The address is Liberty Post 12 Carroll Street Suite #6022 Westminster, Maryland 21157 calawah98 posted on 2006-06-29 01:11:12 ET Reply Trace http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=147681&Disp=All&#C112 ======= 194. To: baba_ganoush (#182) Had a case of ID theft 2 months ago (wiped out checking account...still fighting it) so I'm a bit skittish about online transactions. Ohhhh Nooooo!!! That is awful. I understand the MO route. I have friends who have NO trust in banks and are cash only folks. Best Money Orders are thru the Post Office. Reliable and safe as cash. Just send it without any name in the TO: Stupid Patriot Act won't let me cash anything at the bank with Liberty Post in the TO: field. Goldi-Lox posted on 2006-06-28 10:03:06 ET Reply Trace
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
If I remember correctly, she cannot cash anything made out to LP because she would have to open a business account to do so. Since LP is not a business, nor did she want to make it into one, she asked that checks be left blank. Also, I believe you are incorrect in stating that LP has government rules it has to follow. LP is not a non-profit nor not for profit business or corporation. It is a privately owned website/forum in which people can come together and exchange/debate ideas.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
I have no problem with this. Goldi can do what she wants with her site. What I object to is her billing the site as a "Town Crier" type of site where "all views are welcome". Apparently this is a knowing and deliberate fraud. She should either say nothing or admit that the site pushes a particular viewpoint.
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Looks like she is dodging something in the campaign finance rules.
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I recall her saying this and it is total BS. All she has to do is get a "Doing Business As" account. She does this by filing for a tax ID and opening the account where she normally banks. I do it every couple of years and it takes about an hour - mostly to drive from the tax account's office to the bank.
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Homeland Security should be paying her to flack for the WOT.
Do we know what name she places in the TO spot? I'm guessing her own.
To be clear, I did not say that, I said Goldi said it. I can not find the post where she explained it to another poster... but it was there for all to read. And, it was quite detailed. If I do find it, I will post it. Otherwise, I can understand why one would discount what I say, without a source.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Ooops.. one more point. It was she who said to leave the PAY TO line blank, when her own "Donations" pages says to do otherwise. Furthermore, it was repeated several times. If incorrect, I would've expected her to correct the record in a public post.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Smells funny to me too.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Yes it is. The point is it is her site and she has a right to be as unfair and as unreasonable as she like. Anyone that stays and supports that site with their presence, is condoning that which they know is hipocracy. I agree. Free Speech as defined by the Lobby. I do not understand what that means. Those that support that, are not not working from the same page Americans call 'free-speech'. The freepers on LP don't give a hoot about free speech, nor about the reasoned debate of issues. They seek to demonize, gang up on, shout down and intimidate those who do not agree with them. They are not interested in reasoned debate. That's why they lasted so long on FR in the first place. They are using the same tactics on LP as they did on FR, and Goldi is acting in (almost) the same way as Rim Job. The only difference is that on LP the list of allowable dissagreements with Bush and the Repugnant Party is larger than the list on FR. Even that though can lead to the harpie brigade coming down on you if you do not agree with the view they consider to be politically correct.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
Goder_Peretz needs to be here on 4um.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
My apologies. I misread the post. but it was there for all to read. And, it was quite detailed. I do not doubt your word. Due to business out of country, I was away from LP for about 18 months, so I missed a lot of stuff. All I know is that LP is not the same place I left, nor is Goldi the same person she was before I left. She allows things now she would never had allowed two years ago. Which is her right, just as its my right to go somewhere else.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
This might be a little misleading. If she did this, she would be the owner lock, stock and barrel and she'd have to do taxes on what came in. She might feel it should be set up as a non-profit and she doesn't want to pay for this now. However ... playing with the names on the check is evidence that something is going on that won't stand the light of day.
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I do not understand what that means. You don't?
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
I agree, but FR does the same thing. I've come to the conclusion that it's just not worth worrying about. Let them wallow in their hate. If they want to include me on their extermination lists, fine, let them come.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
I do not understand what that means. You don't? When I see the term Lobby, I think of those firms that influence Congress and regulatory beauricrats into passing or not passing legislation/regulation. I do not understand the term as you have used it. I guess I'm an idiot.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
No problemo. I've heard that sentiment before. However, posts from 2003 suggest she hasn't changed at all. IMO..
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
You have used the term correctly, and I don't believe you are an idiot. "Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
"Public apathy is more powerful than public opinion. There's more of it." Quote by: Dr. Jim Boren Humorist and Author "It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become prey to the active. The conditions upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt." Quote by: John Philpot Curran (1750-1814) Irish Orator, Statesman, Judge Date: July 10, 1790 Source: Speech, Dublin, July 10, 1790
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
In this context, to me "The Lobby" is AIPAC. I think.
Well I'll be........ !! :) I'll check it out!
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Just a place I can have my own private rants and nobody interferes. There is really some good commentary in there if you want to go wading, but take a deep breath beforehand. ;0)
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
LOL! I'll load up on B-12 while I'm at it.. :) Thanks!
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
The BIG question: Who's next?
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
Someone needs to just invite Goder over here. LP is bullshit.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Ahhhh. I understand now. Thanks
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
I think. She provided me a link and that is indeed what she was speaking of. Thanks.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
YW! There is one other thing I'd like to address as it relates to all of that.. but for a later time. Cheers FibahDawg! :) ~jj
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Hold on, you guys: if that guy Goder comes over here, I'm afraid I'm going to have to leave...
Quote by: Dr. Jim Boren Humorist and Author -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become prey to the active. The conditions upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt." Quote by: John Philpot Curran (1750-1814) Irish Orator, Statesman, Judge Date: July 10, 1790 Source: Speech, Dublin, July 10, 1790 It's not apathy. There are just too many other forums I can go to where I can discuss my views without being insulted, accussed of being something I'm not or threatened. Look here's the real deal. Unlike my past posting habits in which I was willing to say as many despicable things as were said to me, I am nowadays trying real hard to live my life as a good Christian and a good Catholic. This is not easy because I am a extreme type A personality with a bad temper. Although I enjoy having a reasoned debate with others concerning political issues, I do not respond well when I am called names or threatened with violence just because I do not hold the same view as another poster. I also do not respond well when I see other people threatened in this same way. These type of posts make me in turn want to respond in a way which is highly unchristian. At one point, I read a post in which one poster threatened another poster with imprisonment and death. I, in turn, responded by writing a post in which I threatened not only the poster, but his wife and children with death. I was disciplined enough to delete the post before I posted it, but that didn't lesson the shame I felt for writing it in the first place, much less the shame I felt for having those feeling inside of me. My anger made me no better than the original poster. Since my discipline may someday fail me and I know that my anger is my greatest weakness, I decided it was in my best interest to remove myself from the environment in which I was tempted to respond in such an evil way. I am not of a religion in which I can claim Jesus Christ as my savior and then sin all I want with no consequence. Sin most indeed has a consequence and I already have enough sin in my life in which I will have to atone for without unneccessarily adding more. If that makes me a wuss in the eyes of some, so be it. I can live with that. I have nothing to prove to anyone on any forum.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
If it bothers you so much why not start your own site? Then when some moron posts some really nasty stuff on your site and the Feds come and talk to you about it you can pay the thousands in legal bills. Free speech is not absolute. Read the first amendment. I am really surprised that with some of the stuff posted on here Christine has not had some hassels. And where is TLBSHOW? Everyone including 4UM banned him. Some people just push the envelope too far.
Who cares? That site is loaded with foul mouthed disgusting amoral idiots, blood thirtsy teenager genocidal advocates, and cowardly murder and torture cheer leaders - none of whom can follow a logical train of thought for literally two posts in a row. They are shallow posters who have made that site a wasteland of one liners and verbatim crap they spew from their reichwinger propaganda organs- that even when exposed as lie- they just keep on believing and posting. It is a circle jerk site. The few souls that actually stick around to "debate" these cretins seem to enjoy bashing their heads against brick walls. Some of the posters there are indeed shills who have a "job" to do. But others are just too stupid to address as they are utterly incapable of critical thought or basic logic- never mind rules of debate and standards under wich to evaluate evidence. Aristeides banning was just the last straw. My time is limited. "Debating" with people who don't even share a basic understanding of reality is pointless. I would much rather prefer to debate with those that are not in the thrall of party or ideology.
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#2. To: ... (#0)
#3. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
She has also said she does not condone "harpie-like" behavior such as working to get another banned.
#4. To: ..., aristeides, Fred Mertz, Uncle Bill, jessejane, Cynicom (#0)
#5. To: robin (#4)
Does OKC still post on LP?
#6. To: Fibr Dog (#1)
but LP is a privately owned site and Goldi owes no explaination to anyone.
#7. To: jessejane (#6)
Really? Then why post rules at all. If you post rules, it is fair to ask why a person is banned. All she need do is respond, with any stupid answer since it is her site. Anyone that stays and supports that site with their presence, is condoning that which they know is hipocracy. Free Speech as defined by the Lobby. THAT is what the rule is. Those that support that, are not not working from the same page Americans call 'free-speech'.
#8. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#7)
But being right is irrelevant in this instance.
#9. To: jessejane (#8)
#10. To: Fibr Dog (#1)
Good luck to him, but LP is a privately owned site and Goldi owes no explaination to anyone. It would be nice. It would be the right thing to do. But it is her site.
#11. To: jessejane (#8)
The Patriot Act has made it impossible for me to cash anything with Liberty Post as the payee.
#12. To: Fibr Dog (#9)
If I remember correctly, she cannot cash anything made out to LP because she would have to open a business account to do so.
#13. To: ..., Buckeroo (#11)
#14. To: Fibr Dog (#9)
nor did she want to make it into one, she asked that checks be left blank.
#15. To: Fibr Dog (#9)
Also, I believe you are incorrect in stating that LP has government rules it has to follow.
#16. To: Fibr Dog (#9)
If I remember correctly, she cannot cash anything made out to LP because she would have to open a business account to do so. Since LP is not a business, nor did she want to make it into one, she asked that checks be left blank.
#17. To: ... (#11)
Looks like she is dodging something in the campaign finance rules.
#18. To: jessejane (#6)
If you post rules, it is fair to ask why a person is banned.
#19. To: ..., Goder_Peretz (#0)
#20. To: jessejane (#15)
To be clear, I did not say that, I said Goldi said it.
#21. To: All (#12)
I recall her saying this and it is total BS. All she has to do is get a "Doing Business As" account. She does this by filing for a tax ID and opening the account where she normally banks. I do it every couple of years and it takes about an hour - mostly to drive from the tax account's office to the bank.
#22. To: Fibr Dog (#18)
Free Speech as defined by the Lobby.
#23. To: ... (#10)
I have no problem with this. Goldi can do what she wants with her site. What I object to is her billing the site as a "Town Crier" type of site where "all views are welcome". Apparently this is a knowing and deliberate fraud. She should either say nothing or admit that the site pushes a particular viewpoint.
#24. To: jessejane (#22)
Free Speech as defined by the Lobby.
#25. To: Fibr Dog (#20)
My apologies. I misread the post.
All I know is that LP is not the same place I left, nor is Goldi the same person she was before I left.
#26. To: Fibr Dog (#24)
When I see the term Lobby, I think of those firms that influence Congress and regulatory beauricrats into passing or not passing legislation/regulation. I do not understand the term as you have used it. I guess I'm an idiot.
#27. To: Fibr Dog (#23)
I agree, but FR does the same thing. I've come to the conclusion that it's just not worth worrying about. Let them wallow in their hate. If they want to include me on their extermination lists, fine, let them come.
#28. To: jessejane (#27)
"The conditions upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt."
#29. To: Fibr Dog (#24)
When I see the term Lobby, I think of those firms that influence Congress and regulatory beauricrats into passing or not passing legislation/regulation. I do not understand the term as you have used it.
#30. To: BTP Holdings (#28)
http://btpholdings.blogspot.com ;0)
#31. To: jessejane (#30)
#32. To: BTP Holdings (#31)
but take a deep breath beforehand. ;0)
#33. To: jessejane, ALL (#32)
#34. To: ... (#0)
Goder_Peretz posted on 2006-08-31 12:06:10 ET Reply Trace
#35. To: jessejane (#26)
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=33959
#36. To: lodwick (#29)
In this context, to me "The Lobby" is AIPAC.
#37. To: Fibr Dog (#35)
#38. To: bluedogtxn, BTP Holdings (#34)
Someone needs to just invite Goder over here.
#39. To: jessejane (#27)
"Public apathy is more powerful than public opinion. There's more of it."
#40. To: ... (#10)
#41. To: ... (#0)
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