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Title: Interesting Challenge to Goldi-Lox on the Secret Banning of aristeides
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URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... .cgi?ArtNum=157121&Disp=37#C27
Published: Sep 5, 2006
Author: Goder_Peretz
Post Date: 2006-09-05 11:55:25 by ...
Keywords: None
Views: 1760
Comments: 58
I came across this on LP. Goldi just blew it off. No answer at all. In my mind this is the final proof that LP has morphed from a free speech site into a pure propaganda site. Not that I didn't know that before, but I didn't have any hard evidence to support my opinion until this came along. 27. To: Goldi-Lox (#20) *SECOND REQUEST* Did you ban aristeides? If so, why? You've had more than one post from more than one member asking you about aristeides' evident "secret banning," without an announcement or explanation, approximately a week ago. You have ignored each query, even though you have found time to post materials such as an unsourced anonymous e-mail that you have excoriated others for posting in the past. Why don't you show some courage and integrity---some good manners even---and answer this question: DID YOU BAN ARISTEIDES? IF SO, WHY? Thank you for your prompt and candid response. Goder_Peretz posted on 2006-08-31 12:06:10 ET Reply Trace I wonder if Goder_Peretz gets the ax for raising an inconvenient fact.
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#13. To: ..., Buckeroo (#11)
Homeland Security should be paying her to flack for the WOT.
Do we know what name she places in the TO spot? I'm guessing her own.
To be clear, I did not say that, I said Goldi said it. I can not find the post where she explained it to another poster... but it was there for all to read. And, it was quite detailed. If I do find it, I will post it. Otherwise, I can understand why one would discount what I say, without a source.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Ooops.. one more point. It was she who said to leave the PAY TO line blank, when her own "Donations" pages says to do otherwise. Furthermore, it was repeated several times. If incorrect, I would've expected her to correct the record in a public post.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Smells funny to me too.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Yes it is. The point is it is her site and she has a right to be as unfair and as unreasonable as she like. Anyone that stays and supports that site with their presence, is condoning that which they know is hipocracy. I agree. Free Speech as defined by the Lobby. I do not understand what that means. Those that support that, are not not working from the same page Americans call 'free-speech'. The freepers on LP don't give a hoot about free speech, nor about the reasoned debate of issues. They seek to demonize, gang up on, shout down and intimidate those who do not agree with them. They are not interested in reasoned debate. That's why they lasted so long on FR in the first place. They are using the same tactics on LP as they did on FR, and Goldi is acting in (almost) the same way as Rim Job. The only difference is that on LP the list of allowable dissagreements with Bush and the Repugnant Party is larger than the list on FR. Even that though can lead to the harpie brigade coming down on you if you do not agree with the view they consider to be politically correct.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
Goder_Peretz needs to be here on 4um.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
My apologies. I misread the post. but it was there for all to read. And, it was quite detailed. I do not doubt your word. Due to business out of country, I was away from LP for about 18 months, so I missed a lot of stuff. All I know is that LP is not the same place I left, nor is Goldi the same person she was before I left. She allows things now she would never had allowed two years ago. Which is her right, just as its my right to go somewhere else.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
This might be a little misleading. If she did this, she would be the owner lock, stock and barrel and she'd have to do taxes on what came in. She might feel it should be set up as a non-profit and she doesn't want to pay for this now. However ... playing with the names on the check is evidence that something is going on that won't stand the light of day.
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I do not understand what that means. You don't?
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
I agree, but FR does the same thing. I've come to the conclusion that it's just not worth worrying about. Let them wallow in their hate. If they want to include me on their extermination lists, fine, let them come.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
I do not understand what that means. You don't? When I see the term Lobby, I think of those firms that influence Congress and regulatory beauricrats into passing or not passing legislation/regulation. I do not understand the term as you have used it. I guess I'm an idiot.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
No problemo. I've heard that sentiment before. However, posts from 2003 suggest she hasn't changed at all. IMO..
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
You have used the term correctly, and I don't believe you are an idiot. "Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
"Public apathy is more powerful than public opinion. There's more of it." Quote by: Dr. Jim Boren Humorist and Author "It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become prey to the active. The conditions upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt." Quote by: John Philpot Curran (1750-1814) Irish Orator, Statesman, Judge Date: July 10, 1790 Source: Speech, Dublin, July 10, 1790
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
In this context, to me "The Lobby" is AIPAC. I think.
Well I'll be........ !! :) I'll check it out!
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Just a place I can have my own private rants and nobody interferes. There is really some good commentary in there if you want to go wading, but take a deep breath beforehand. ;0)
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
LOL! I'll load up on B-12 while I'm at it.. :) Thanks!
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
The BIG question: Who's next?
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
Someone needs to just invite Goder over here. LP is bullshit.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Ahhhh. I understand now. Thanks
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
I think. She provided me a link and that is indeed what she was speaking of. Thanks.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
YW! There is one other thing I'd like to address as it relates to all of that.. but for a later time. Cheers FibahDawg! :) ~jj
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Hold on, you guys: if that guy Goder comes over here, I'm afraid I'm going to have to leave...
Quote by: Dr. Jim Boren Humorist and Author -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become prey to the active. The conditions upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt." Quote by: John Philpot Curran (1750-1814) Irish Orator, Statesman, Judge Date: July 10, 1790 Source: Speech, Dublin, July 10, 1790 It's not apathy. There are just too many other forums I can go to where I can discuss my views without being insulted, accussed of being something I'm not or threatened. Look here's the real deal. Unlike my past posting habits in which I was willing to say as many despicable things as were said to me, I am nowadays trying real hard to live my life as a good Christian and a good Catholic. This is not easy because I am a extreme type A personality with a bad temper. Although I enjoy having a reasoned debate with others concerning political issues, I do not respond well when I am called names or threatened with violence just because I do not hold the same view as another poster. I also do not respond well when I see other people threatened in this same way. These type of posts make me in turn want to respond in a way which is highly unchristian. At one point, I read a post in which one poster threatened another poster with imprisonment and death. I, in turn, responded by writing a post in which I threatened not only the poster, but his wife and children with death. I was disciplined enough to delete the post before I posted it, but that didn't lesson the shame I felt for writing it in the first place, much less the shame I felt for having those feeling inside of me. My anger made me no better than the original poster. Since my discipline may someday fail me and I know that my anger is my greatest weakness, I decided it was in my best interest to remove myself from the environment in which I was tempted to respond in such an evil way. I am not of a religion in which I can claim Jesus Christ as my savior and then sin all I want with no consequence. Sin most indeed has a consequence and I already have enough sin in my life in which I will have to atone for without unneccessarily adding more. If that makes me a wuss in the eyes of some, so be it. I can live with that. I have nothing to prove to anyone on any forum.
How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin
If it bothers you so much why not start your own site? Then when some moron posts some really nasty stuff on your site and the Feds come and talk to you about it you can pay the thousands in legal bills. Free speech is not absolute. Read the first amendment. I am really surprised that with some of the stuff posted on here Christine has not had some hassels. And where is TLBSHOW? Everyone including 4UM banned him. Some people just push the envelope too far.
Who cares? That site is loaded with foul mouthed disgusting amoral idiots, blood thirtsy teenager genocidal advocates, and cowardly murder and torture cheer leaders - none of whom can follow a logical train of thought for literally two posts in a row. They are shallow posters who have made that site a wasteland of one liners and verbatim crap they spew from their reichwinger propaganda organs- that even when exposed as lie- they just keep on believing and posting. It is a circle jerk site. The few souls that actually stick around to "debate" these cretins seem to enjoy bashing their heads against brick walls. Some of the posters there are indeed shills who have a "job" to do. But others are just too stupid to address as they are utterly incapable of critical thought or basic logic- never mind rules of debate and standards under wich to evaluate evidence. Aristeides banning was just the last straw. My time is limited. "Debating" with people who don't even share a basic understanding of reality is pointless. I would much rather prefer to debate with those that are not in the thrall of party or ideology.
TLBSHOW hasn't been banned from here. He's never been a member. He posts on FU and stone's forum now.
just an FYI.. TLBSHOW has not been banned here.. Read our front page.. this is a free speech site... only thing that is not permitted is threats, the posting of personal information or other illegal issues.. We dont agree with every poster or every poster's opinions for certain but we do agree with their right to say or think it..
me too! great post!
I explained it. Have somebody read the thread to you and
you will see it. Why do you toss out the silly red herring about thousands
in legal bills? Are we supposed to be suckered into believing this really
happened to Goldi? It didn't you know. Free speech is not absolute, but if
you are going to tightly control what one side says, as Goldi is doing here,
you should have the integrity to take the "Free Speech" tag off the site. To do
otherwise is cheap fraud - something similar to your legal bill red herring
above.
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I think the hypocracy needs to be pointed out. Beyond that I have no opinion on what goes on over there.
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Nice cowardly, underhanded threat there. The free exchange of ideas really bothers you doesn't it. The classic American debate really turns your gut. You hate this freedom and fear it. This is obvious. And, as a natural extension of this hatred, you hate that god damned Constitution that is interpreted to support these freedoms. You especially hate intelligent uncontrolled people expressing thier ideas in an open forum - better to have a boot on evey throat right? Just as long as your guy is behind the boot. You don't need to make the US over into what you need and want to be happy. You can escape the American freedoms you so hate by simply going to live under the Taliban, or in Red China, or in Cuba or in Iran.
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What I, or any other poster thinks of you matters not. In the words of a great friend, "let no man stand between you and your God". Works for me.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Exactly.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
And that indeed is the point of the thread.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
It is my experience on these boards for nearly a decade- that there are two types of posters. The first type of poster may have strong opinions and firmly held beliefs but he is capable of critical thought, self reflection, and can admit when he is wrong- and is generally comfortable enough with himself to not be afraid of the truth- his identity isn't his politics and his whole world won't collapse if he is proven wrong on something. The second type of poster also has strong beliefs and and firmly held opinions. But he is uninterested in challanging them. He views "debate" as merely spouting forth his viewpoint and shouting down, ignoring, or belittling competent challanges to his posts. He already knows the truth- and NOTHING is going to change his mind. He posts merely to stroke himself. His ideology is such a part of whom he presents himself to be- that to suffer any sort of defeat- to admit any wrong- even the tiniest of errors- actually is not possible for such person. His politics are who he is- they define his morality- his religious faith- they determine right and wrong for him- they are his guide in life- and a geniune quest for truth would DESTROY his self image and this meticulous world he has constructed. He is about playing defense and going on the attack. Anyone who challenges his world view isn't just wrong- they are an evil enemy trying to destroy him. These people CANNOT be argued with. The first type of poster represents about 5 percent of the online population. Most don't last long on these forums as they quickly grow disgusted and find better things to do. The second type of poster is 95 percent of the online crowd who inhabit these boards. My experience on these boards is such that within a half dozen posts or less I can tell wether a person is worth engaging or not and what "type" they are. LP is loaded with the worst of the category two types. It is an exercise in futility to even respond to one of those pathetic losers. I try to spend time with posters who are worth the time. There are none worth the time at LP.
S, They are intent on recreating control in it's finest form. And refine daily as needed. They will find they have placed their own boot on their own throat.
"Persecution, whenever it occurs, establishes only the power and cunning of the persecutor, not the truth and worth of his belief." -- H. M. Kallen (1882-1974)
Again I ask Who the hell care as about LP and oldi-box. If you haven't figured it out by now, you're a sorry case.
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#14. To: Fibr Dog (#9)
nor did she want to make it into one, she asked that checks be left blank.
#15. To: Fibr Dog (#9)
Also, I believe you are incorrect in stating that LP has government rules it has to follow.
#16. To: Fibr Dog (#9)
If I remember correctly, she cannot cash anything made out to LP because she would have to open a business account to do so. Since LP is not a business, nor did she want to make it into one, she asked that checks be left blank.
#17. To: ... (#11)
Looks like she is dodging something in the campaign finance rules.
#18. To: jessejane (#6)
If you post rules, it is fair to ask why a person is banned.
#19. To: ..., Goder_Peretz (#0)
#20. To: jessejane (#15)
To be clear, I did not say that, I said Goldi said it.
#21. To: All (#12)
I recall her saying this and it is total BS. All she has to do is get a "Doing Business As" account. She does this by filing for a tax ID and opening the account where she normally banks. I do it every couple of years and it takes about an hour - mostly to drive from the tax account's office to the bank.
#22. To: Fibr Dog (#18)
Free Speech as defined by the Lobby.
#23. To: ... (#10)
I have no problem with this. Goldi can do what she wants with her site. What I object to is her billing the site as a "Town Crier" type of site where "all views are welcome". Apparently this is a knowing and deliberate fraud. She should either say nothing or admit that the site pushes a particular viewpoint.
#24. To: jessejane (#22)
Free Speech as defined by the Lobby.
#25. To: Fibr Dog (#20)
My apologies. I misread the post.
All I know is that LP is not the same place I left, nor is Goldi the same person she was before I left.
#26. To: Fibr Dog (#24)
When I see the term Lobby, I think of those firms that influence Congress and regulatory beauricrats into passing or not passing legislation/regulation. I do not understand the term as you have used it. I guess I'm an idiot.
#27. To: Fibr Dog (#23)
I agree, but FR does the same thing. I've come to the conclusion that it's just not worth worrying about. Let them wallow in their hate. If they want to include me on their extermination lists, fine, let them come.
#28. To: jessejane (#27)
"The conditions upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt."
#29. To: Fibr Dog (#24)
When I see the term Lobby, I think of those firms that influence Congress and regulatory beauricrats into passing or not passing legislation/regulation. I do not understand the term as you have used it.
#30. To: BTP Holdings (#28)
http://btpholdings.blogspot.com ;0)
#31. To: jessejane (#30)
#32. To: BTP Holdings (#31)
but take a deep breath beforehand. ;0)
#33. To: jessejane, ALL (#32)
#34. To: ... (#0)
Goder_Peretz posted on 2006-08-31 12:06:10 ET Reply Trace
#35. To: jessejane (#26)
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=33959
#36. To: lodwick (#29)
In this context, to me "The Lobby" is AIPAC.
#37. To: Fibr Dog (#35)
#38. To: bluedogtxn, BTP Holdings (#34)
Someone needs to just invite Goder over here.
#39. To: jessejane (#27)
"Public apathy is more powerful than public opinion. There's more of it."
#40. To: ... (#10)
#41. To: ... (#0)
#42. To: willyone (#40)
#43. To: willyone (#40)
#44. To: Burkeman1 (#41)
I would much rather prefer to debate with those that are not in the thrall of party or ideology.
#45. To: willyone (#40)
If it bothers you so much why not start your own site?
#46. To: Burkeman1 (#41)
Who cares? That site is loaded with foul mouthed disgusting amoral idiots, blood thirtsy teenager genocidal advocates, and cowardly murder and torture cheer leaders - none of whom can follow a logical train of thought for literally two posts in a row.
#47. To: willyone (#40)
I am really surprised that with some of the stuff posted on here Christine has not had some hassels.
#48. To: Fibr Dog (#39)
#49. To: ... (#45)
as Goldi is doing here, you should have the integrity to take the "Free Speech" tag off the site.
#50. To: ... (#46)
I think the hypocracy needs to be pointed out. Beyond that I have no opinion on what goes on over there.
#51. To: ... (#46)
#52. To: ... (#47)
You don't need to make the US over into what you need and want to be happy. You can escape the American freedoms you so hate by simply going to live under the Taliban, or in Red China, or in Cuba or in Iran.
#53. To: ... (#0)
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