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Title: A Homeless Solution: IF people care!
Source: Keeper of the Flame
URL Source: http://jimsorrell.proboards33.com
Published: Sep 5, 2006
Author: James Sorrell
Post Date: 2006-09-05 18:50:38 by CaptainChurch
Keywords: homeless, home, hope
Views: 346
Comments: 26

To ALL : --->Having experienced homelessness (by losing an investment), I see that current "shelters" are warehouses, the pinnacle of Tokenism, the visible tip of the iceberg. Everyone needs a home, to maintain a steady balance to succeed.....homeless people are on shifting sand! "Shelters" should be "clearing houses" ...(only a short stay & then re-located into the community)... a clearing house with a built in "buddy-system" ["matching" process begins the first day with someone who, like themselves, needs someone to look after their interests!] that prevents "drowning"; for even the oldest book says that it is "not good for man to be alone"...he just gets into trouble. A "clearing house" staff would get to know the person quickly and intensely (A predator wouldn't like to be known, so he flees the community.....which is your Best form of protection!).

People would work in the "clearing houses" that know the community and its' people, like matchmakers, matching up folks with a compatable job, and living with someone in their home. The same book says "Open your homes to strangers", and with proper human concern for the homeless first..... [instead of social "companies" who use the homeless for their funding & grants, jobs and their own homes & lives.....and are themselves the other problem, besides obscene community apathy nationwide.] .....with proper concern for the people themselves who need a home, and who could fit quickly into a community's job and housing structure, and complement it..... instead of herding the homeless out of sight into a warehouse.....or, in one case, a basement "sewer" [As single men in Madison, WI are treated, with very unsanitary conditions] Everyone needs a home....to grow into a mature, contributing community member & good neighbor, with a real life!

A model of such a new system should be set up, and then used everywhere for man's humanity to man! --->>>(Old folks who face having to leave their homes, because they can't take care of themselves adequately, and terrified of "old folks home/managed care facilities", could be properly matched up with a compatible homeless person, and both would benefit!) Best regards, James Sorrell

jamessorrell2003@yahoo.com


General - A Homeless Solution: IF people care! From: fuzzwald

A while ago, homelessness was seen as a problem that other countries had. Poorer countries. But, during the Reagan years, the idea took hold that homeless people deserved their predicament and/or wanted it. Limbaugh's "homeless update" was symptomatic of the cold hearted, greed headed, stupid rationalization of suffering that gets de-oderized and pawned off as conservative ideology. Now we have a whole generation of Americans who are none the wiser. (More recently, the same transformation of thought is being directed at democracy and the Bill of Rights. But that's for another discussion board.)

Almost any plan to aid the homeless is an improvement over the current state of affairs.


A Post Script story........

Kelcy Ruiz, a homeless man who was stabbed to death Monday, May 9, 2005. Homeless Man Dies Saving Woman * Defended Restaurateur From Intruder May 12, 2005 3:56 pm US/Pacific MIAMI (AP) ---A homeless man who did odd jobs for a local restaurateur was stabbed to death as he defended her against a knife-wielding intruder, authorities said. Kelcy Ruiz, 32, was mourned as a hero for coming to the aid of Melida Murillo during an attack Monday at her Colombian restaurant, Mama Leonor. Ruiz, described by relatives as a crack cocaine addict who lived mainly on Miami's downtown streets, did occasional work for Murillo in exchange for food. "Even though he was a forgotten member of society, he acted better than most people who are not homeless," said Detective Delrish Moss, spokesman for the Miami Police Department.

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#1. To: CaptainChurch (#0)

Limbaugh's "homeless update"

I miss those.


In Sid Meier's Civilization II, the civilization that builds the Wonder Statue of Liberty is able to painlessly, without a period of anarchy, change its form of government to Communism, Fundamentalism, Democracy, Republic, or Monarchy and back again, even when the civilization doesn't know one or more of these forms.

Whichever form there is, there's always the guy with the mouse and keyboard...

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-05   19:07:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tauzero (#1)

I miss those.

As well as Gene Autry's "Back in the Saddle Again" and Klaus Nomi's "You Don't Own Me" for the gay update.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2006-09-05   19:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: MUDDOG (#2)

Chainsaw tune for the environmentalist update.


In Sid Meier's Civilization II, the civilization that builds the Wonder Statue of Liberty is able to painlessly, without a period of anarchy, change its form of government to Communism, Fundamentalism, Democracy, Republic, or Monarchy and back again, even when the civilization doesn't know one or more of these forms.

Whichever form there is, there's always the guy with the mouse and keyboard...

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-05   19:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: CaptainChurch (#0)

I had this idea after seeing Jurassic Park.

The answer to so many of America's problems, is to clone dinosaurs. Here's why.

1. We clone T-rexes, and Velociraptors. Not a whole bunch, just enough to cover enough of a large city. Let's say it's Minneapolis. We need about half a dozen T-rexes, and probably a dozen velociraptors. Now that we've got these dinosaurs, what else do we need?

Well, we need people to work with them, train them, clean up after them, and of course feed them. They'll need veterinary care, and of course we'd need people to wrangle them when they're done with their shift. You see, this is what I propose.

We clone these dinosaurs, and then let them loose at night. We make a mandatory curfew of 1:00AM, and we give the dinosaurs 5 hours loose time to run the streets. Now, you probably think this is a bad idea, but it's not.

For starters, you get rid of your homeless problem pretty fast. These people will seek shelter, or be eaten by dinosaurs. These people could be given jobs, wages, and such taking care of these dinosaurs, and since most homeless people are crazy, they'd probably have no problems with the fact they're babysitting a 60 foot long reptile.

Then, there's the issue of Gangs, drugs and such. If you're out doing something you shouldn't after curfew, and are breaking the law, the dinosaur doesn't care, because the dinosaur is hungry, and will eat your sorry lawbreaking ass.

Now, a bunch of free roaming dinosaurs will cause a lot of property damage. Well, if we let them loose in the bad neighborhoods, it's not a big deal, because we need to gentrify those parts of town, and what better way to demolish a crack house than to have a giant dinosaur crash through it?

On top of all that, it will inspire kids to study science, because as all scientists know, we all start with Dinosaurs to teach us about the world, and all kinds of other stuff. Soon, math scores go up, and pretty soon, you have a bunch of geniuses kicking the asses of the Chinese and we're back in first place when it comes to education.

EVEN BETTER STILL... There could be dino petting zoos to generate revenue to help house the homeless who don't want to be eaten by dinosaurs, this idea pays for itself in a very short amount of time.

EVEN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO is a win win. You see, if Dinosaurs start to reproduce, they'll spread out, and this means a new hunting season. Less deer on our highways. Tighter knit communities who form neighborhood watches to hunt down dinosaurs. Dinoburgers.

And the very best part about the cloning of dinosaurs, is that once they're back, if we have to kill them off, it won't be like anyone will miss them.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2006-09-05   19:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: CaptainChurch (#0)

A while ago, homelessness was seen as a problem that other countries had. Poorer countries. But, during the Reagan years, the idea took hold that homeless people deserved their predicament and/or wanted it.

We may as well drag Jimmy Carter into this. Prior to his administration, crazy people were warehoused in mental institutions. Some do-gooders came along and said, "Hey, these people aren't being treated, they're just sitting there. They might as well be in prison for all the good this is doing them."

So somebody passed a law, and crazy people were let out of the asylums, completely unprepared, with a bottle of antipsychotics that they promised to take. Of course, the pills ran out (or got thrown away), and a HUGE percentage of those de-institutionalized ended up homeless. Surprisingly, they had no job skills, and their relatives didn't want to live with crazy people, which is why they were in the asylum in the first place.

Like so much else under Carter's watch, the heart was in the right place, but implementation was a disaster.

"GM is not a car company, it's a bank that gives free cars to its customers when they take out a loan."--Magorn.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2006-09-05   20:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: CaptainChurch, Indrid Cold (#0)

A while ago, homelessness was seen as a problem that other countries had. Poorer countries. But, during the Reagan years, the idea took hold that homeless people deserved their predicament and/or wanted it.

---------------------

We may as well drag Jimmy Carter into this. Prior to his administration, crazy people were warehoused in mental institutions. Some do-gooders came along and said, "Hey, these people aren't being treated, they're just sitting there. They might as well be in prison for all the good this is doing them."

So somebody passed a law, and crazy people were let out of the asylums, completely unprepared, with a bottle of antipsychotics that they promised to take. Of course, the pills ran out (or got thrown away), and a HUGE percentage of those de-institutionalized ended up homeless. Surprisingly, they had no job skills, and their relatives didn't want to live with crazy people, which is why they were in the asylum in the first place.

Like so much else under Carter's watch, the heart was in the right place, but implementation was a disaster.

I started to research small homes that could be built inexpensively for the homeless [all those US military bases being ordered closed by Gorbachev could be used, IF government had a heart, which it doesn't], and got sidetracked by a disturbing report.

please see:

"....With increased dependence on the Social Security Number (SSN), the government has been able to engage in pervasive tracking of aid recipients. Now, with the requirement that states implement Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) by October 2002, aid recipients are being issued benefits cards that facilitate government tracking of all purchases. Gilliom argues that this combined with personal interviews delving into matters such as romantic relationships, results in a comprehensive tracking system that subjects the poor "to forms and degrees of scrutiny matched only by the likes of patients, prisoners, and soldiers."

Strip away the bureaucratic language of fraud control, regulatory enforcement, consent forms, and the like, and we see a simple pattern in which a government agency is using broadly targeted and online surveillance in an effort to force a dependent population to live at an intolerable level of poverty.

Gilliom's book provides firsthand accounts of the humiliation brought to bear by individuals watched by the state. Gilliom argues that traditional notions of privacy do not adequately describe the total surveillance in which the poor exist. He argues that a new language is needed to describe surveillance systems: a language that explicitly recognizes it as a tool of social control....."

Poverty and Privacy

Vermont Shelter Protests Homeless Tracking System........

http://www.epic.org/privacy/poverty/

They want us ALL homeless. See....

What's Next... Concentration Camps

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=34267&Disp=14#C14

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-09   12:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

Let us know when you get back to the affordable housing possibilities - I'd be interested in your findings.

Thanks.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-09   13:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: CaptainChurch, lodwick (#0)

The same book says "Open your homes to strangers", and with proper human concern for the homeless first..... [instead of social "companies" who use the homeless for their funding & grants, jobs and their own homes & lives.....and are themselves the other problem, besides obscene community apathy nationwide.] .....with proper concern for the people themselves who need a home, and who could fit quickly into a community's job and housing structure, and complement it..... instead of herding the homeless out of sight into a warehouse.....or, in one case, a basement "sewer" [As single men in Madison, WI are treated, with very unsanitary conditions] Everyone needs a home....to grow into a mature, contributing community member & good neighbor, with a real life!

...and no, I didn't miss the above point.

It's just that as I said, I got sidetracked. My locality will look the other way if 20 illegals hole up together, but if you have an extra kitchen in your house, or the room to accomodate someone down on their luck, they'll make you take the kitchen out, and the brown-shirts among us will report you to the "authorities". My first thought was where is their some unused land that could be put to this use in densely populated areas that could accomodate a large number of people more humanely and decently, with privacy and safety, especially for the more vulnerable, such as the elderly, mentally unbalanced, and children. I was also reminded by articles I have read that most mental illness is actually a result of nutritional deficiencies, and then my mind shifted to a movie I had seen about hard-core criminals being tamed by gardening, and I began to see large army bases providing not only habitat, but the means for people to have their own plots of land to grow some of their own food and perhaps selling it at farmers' markets to earn extra cash to get a leg up. But then I got sidetracked.

Closed bases around here are usually slated for up-scale condos and housing for the well-off, who can contribute more $$$$$ into the NWO funding streams. lodwick, before I got so involved in trying to salvage a future for my children from the evil plots of madmen in power, houses were a big interest of mine, little houses just one of my main interests. I still, when I need a break, build on paper, dreaming of better days. I will try to find some time to seek some inexpensive solutions for this crisis, but people need to wake up to the fact that evil spiritual forces in high places are definitely working against us.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-09   13:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lodwick (#7)

Let us know when you get back to the affordable housing possibilities - I'd be interested in your findings.

How about these? Vinyl sheds. Make one about 4x to 6x the size of one of these, it's all modular, so expansion is easy. Could be insulated, put on a concrete slab, wired, plumbed, and I bet you could build the whole thing for less than $10k, with a kitchenette and bathroom, a living room and bedroom.

Of course, current zoning laws and building codes would never allow these to be built, even tho I've put these up myself, and seen them last over ten years without any visible wear. Never needs painting, never wears out, lasts for years and years if not decades, can be put up by any semi-competent builder with nothing more than a screw gun, a level and a rubber mallet. Sure, they're not a McMansion, but they would sure beat living on the streets...

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2006-09-09   13:36:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt. Elliott. all (#8) (Edited)

I will try to find some time to seek some inexpensive solutions for this crisis, but people need to wake up to the fact that evil spiritual forces in high places are definitely working against us.

Agree completely.

Your story about guys calmed by gardening reminded me of all the benefits of rural living - from the interaction with, and caring for livestock, to being able to raise your own healthful produce, poultry, etc...you just don't find many evil farmers or ranchers - do you? Not in my experience.

Back to housing. I have some property here in Austin that could accomodate another housing unit, but getting anything done with the city goobers is a daunting challenge that I don't know if I'm up to dealing with. The city is more interested in hiring "workers" to deal with the problem of the homeless, than they are in finding real, long-term, solutions (which would prolly involve returning at least 75% of our street people to the state homes from which they were turned out...)

Lod  posted on  2006-09-09   13:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: CaptainChurch (#0)

The author's immediate taking of scripture out of context closes the door immediately to anything else the person may have to say.

But going further, whatever gives him the idea that 'predators' will run..........just ask all the little dead children of late, notably in FLA, where predators did NOT leave, but rather lived among them.

As for blaming it on Reagan.........yeah.....go ahead.......heap all the bullshit on a dead guy.

Has this lunatic author really thought through exactly how 'a clearing staff person' would get to intimately know who all among a county of ll million plus people would be a perfect fit for anyone? The county I'm thinking of is Los Angeles County. I'm sure there are other large metro areas that could be stuck in place of this.

This is an absolute joke. I lived in a far out suburb of Los Angeles County and scarcely 'knew' my neighbors on either side. Or across the street, for that matter.

I currently live near a very small community--the whole county having perhaps 7,000 people......and you can't find anyone that knows them all.

Society having gone mobile many years ago effectively put a stop to this 'intimate' acquaintanceship stuff. Even more so is the evolution of societal norms/culture---even church congregations don't have the intimacy they once had.

Too bad the writer didn't quote chapter and verse of the statment that we're to open our homes to strangers, and provide the context.

rowdee  posted on  2006-09-09   14:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: rowdee (#11)

Too bad the writer didn't quote chapter and verse of the statment that we're to open our homes to strangers, and provide the context.

Isa 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as [ye do this] day, to make your voice to be heard on high.

Isa 58:5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? [is it] to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes [under him]? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

Isa 58:6 ¶ [Is] not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

Isa 58:7 [Is it] not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.

Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I [am]. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;

Isa 58:10 And [if] thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness [be] as the noonday: ..................

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa058.html#7

not saying it isn't a dangerous proposition these days, but a lot of people did it after Katrina - took in whole families of perfect strangers, but then we ARE called to trust in the LORD. And then there is this:

Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [there shall] not [be room] enough [to receive it]....

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Mal/Mal003.html#10

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-09   15:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: rowdee (#12)

yikes. more here [forgot about THIS one]:

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Isa/58/7.html

Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-09   15:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)

Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Amen.

Glad that you remembered this one.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-09   15:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: rowdee, lodwick (#13)

lodwick, sorry to say, I didn't REMEMBER it on my own. I had my memory JOGGED at blueletterbible.

ohmygod. I remembered this passage, but forgot the part about the STRANGER:

Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?

Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?

Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat025.html#35

yikes, yikes, yikes.....think I'll go crawl into a hole now.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-09   15:28:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, rowdee, everyone (#15)

Before you go, a question:

What do you think about the people that we see on many street-corners with their signs of woe, asking for money?

Are those angels, or scammers, or a mix, perhaps?

Our charitable giving is done 50% to the SalvationArmy, and 25% to two missionary couples that we've come to know over the years - will that cut it with God?

Lod  posted on  2006-09-09   15:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Elliott Jackalope (#9)

[oh well, cowering in my hole is non-productive]

I've thought of these. Costco had some sturdy sheds this summer, complete with floors and all [the whole thing made out of tough plastic, or vinyl, or rubber; I forget]. They were not air-tight and I don't know how water-tight they would be, and they were not as cute as yours, but they were either 6x8 or 8x8, had one small window and barn-type doors, and they only cost around $600, and went up in about an hour. Two or three of those, connected and as you say, with some insulation, electricity and bath and kitchenette, might work for a family for awhile, and I bet the manufacturer would consider modifications for large numbers of people, IF the government would allow it. I worry about all the hurricanes the NWO sends our way, though, but I saw some new-fangled netting, that you stake into the ground, and it cuts out 60% of category 5 winds. I think they said it costs 80 cents a square foot, and costs about 3 or 4 thousand for the AVERAGE house, so should be much less for a SHED. [However, there should be a more substantial building to shelter the people in an emergency to BE SURE no one is injured or killed, in the event of such disaster. You can rebuild the houses, but not the people.]

Those little "plastic" houses could be temporary solutions while old-fashioned "house-raisings" could be held. The earliest houses in this country were 16x16 and even much smaller, with a loft, and housed families with five children and more. I know of at least one builder who would be willing to teach people how to build a small house, and they could pass on the knowledge to others in the community. Some people would come to help out just to get hands-on experience in building. I know there are a lot of people out there who would be happy to participate with time, money, and materials, if they were given the opportunity.

If I were homeless, I'd much prefer one of these little houses to living in a homeless shelter.

The government is a problem, though. I knew of one old man who was dying of cancer, and all this stinking county could do was harrass him on his cluttered house. I think they even forced him to move. I don't know where he went, but fortunately he had a son, and I THINK that is where he went to die, not that it would matter to these people. They would rather see you homeless, than let their taxable collateral on the national debt get rundown.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-09   16:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lodwick (#16)

Our charitable giving is done 50% to the SalvationArmy, and 25% to two missionary couples that we've come to know over the years - will that cut it with God?

How embarassing that you would ask me. I'm no saint or pillar of virtue that you should ask me.

We give to the Salvation Army too, but we had one branch here a few years ago that absconded with some money. We also help out some of the homeless near us, even at times getting them a room. Still, I feel terribly guilty all the time. The Bible says if you have two coats to give one away. I think most of us have too much. Where we were to tithe 10% in the Old Testament, the New Testament seems to suggest that we give 50 percent!! That of course, would go along with Love your neighbor as yourself. I think that is the real standard, and one I am going to be called to task for, I'm sure.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-09   16:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#12)

Sounds like a bunch of socialist claptrap that absolves the government of their responsibility to take care of the homeless to me.

I mean, if I, as a private citizen am paying taxes and tithe to my government, and that government is giving money away to third world countries who hate us, they should be spending that money DOMESTICALLY and cleaning up the homeless problem. WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE EVERY DAY WHO ARE STARVING. WE HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY WHO NEED A PLACE TO LIVE. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO NEED JOBS IN ORDER TO GET OUT OF THE GUTTER. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE INSANE RUNNING THE STREETS, WHO SHOULD BE INSTITUTIONALIZED BECAUSE THEY ARE DANGEROUS.

Of course, this biblical nonsense has a context that most people don't understand. I as a private citizen through my tax dollars do all of the things mentioned. It's the stewards of that money who are NOT doing what they are obligated to do.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2006-09-09   16:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lodwick (#16)

What do you think about the people that we see on many street-corners with their signs of woe, asking for money?

Are those angels, or scammers, or a mix, perhaps?

probably a mix, I would guess. Some you just know are scammers. Some you know, There but for the grace of God, go I.

I used to know a lady who thinks she met an angel.

She was in a very poor country, and this man held out his hand begging, and she for some reason did not give to him. She said his eyes seemed to follow her and go right through her. Forever after that, she had this terrible feeling that he was Jesus, and that she had failed the test.

I think I met one once as well, under totally different circumstances. He was handing out flyers at a sports event, and I was immediately drawn to him. His skin was very black, and he had the most beautiful, engaging smile, and sparking eyes, and I just had to ask him if he were a Christian. He smiled, leaned back and said why, yes he was. I told him I knew it, he had that special light in his eyes, and I wanted what he had. He asked me what church I attended, and I told him I was looking for one. He said, well, we're in church now. And I said What? He said, Whenever two or more are gathered together..... He said he was there often, but so was I, and I never saw him before or since. I don't know how to explain it, but I really think he was an angel, and my kids sensed it too, before I said anything about it.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-09   16:28:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#18)

How embarassing that you would ask me.

What I meant was that instead of doing things directly for others, I tend to just write a check.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-09   16:42:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)

I think I met one once as well, under totally different circumstances. He was handing out flyers at a sports event, and I was immediately drawn to him. His skin was very black, and he had the most beautiful, engaging smile, and sparking eyes, and I just had to ask him if he were a Christian. He smiled, leaned back and said why, yes he was. I told him I knew it, he had that special light in his eyes, and I wanted what he had. He asked me what church I attended, and I told him I was looking for one. He said, well, we're in church now. And I said What? He said, Whenever two or more are gathered together..... He said he was there often, but so was I, and I never saw him before or since. I don't know how to explain it, but I really think he was an angel, and my kids sensed it too, before I said anything about it.

Beautiful story and experience.

I believe that there are both good and evil angels doing their work among us today.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-09   16:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: All (#4)

To: CaptainChurch

I had this idea after seeing Jurassic Park.

The answer to so many of America's problems, is to clone dinosaurs. Here's why.

1. We clone T-rexes, and Velociraptors. Not a whole bunch, just enough to cover enough of a large city. Let's say it's Minneapolis. We need about half a dozen T-rexes, and probably a dozen velociraptors. Now that we've got these dinosaurs, what else do we need?

Well, we need people to work with them, train them, clean up after them, and of course feed them. They'll need veterinary care, and of course we'd need people to wrangle them when they're done with their shift. You see, this is what I propose.

We clone these dinosaurs, and then let them loose at night. We make a mandatory curfew of 1:00AM, and we give the dinosaurs 5 hours loose time to run the streets. Now, you probably think this is a bad idea, but it's not.

For starters, you get rid of your homeless problem pretty fast. These people will seek shelter, or be eaten by dinosaurs. These people could be given jobs, wages, and such taking care of these dinosaurs, and since most homeless people are crazy, they'd probably have no problems with the fact they're babysitting a 60 foot long reptile.

Then, there's the issue of Gangs, drugs and such. If you're out doing something you shouldn't after curfew, and are breaking the law, the dinosaur doesn't care, because the dinosaur is hungry, and will eat your sorry lawbreaking ass.

Now, a bunch of free roaming dinosaurs will cause a lot of property damage. Well, if we let them loose in the bad neighborhoods, it's not a big deal, because we need to gentrify those parts of town, and what better way to demolish a crack house than to have a giant dinosaur crash through it?

On top of all that, it will inspire kids to study science, because as all scientists know, we all start with Dinosaurs to teach us about the world, and all kinds of other stuff. Soon, math scores go up, and pretty soon, you have a bunch of geniuses kicking the asses of the Chinese and we're back in first place when it comes to education.

EVEN BETTER STILL... There could be dino petting zoos to generate revenue to help house the homeless who don't want to be eaten by dinosaurs, this idea pays for itself in a very short amount of time.

EVEN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO is a win win. You see, if Dinosaurs start to reproduce, they'll spread out, and this means a new hunting season. Less deer on our highways. Tighter knit communities who form neighborhood watches to hunt down dinosaurs. Dinoburgers.

And the very best part about the cloning of dinosaurs, is that once they're back, if we have to kill them off, it won't be like anyone will miss them.

And yet nobody comments on my BRILLIANT Dinosaur Idea to cure the homeless problem.

You people are a bunch of squares who don't think outside the box.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2006-09-09   16:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#19)

Tommy, the government doesn't care about people. That's not the nature of government. The government is about amassing wealth and control. The government is rebellion against God and His precepts. If God wants His people to look after others, government will take over the job until it gets the upper hand. We never had the problem with the homeless in this country, until the government started us on their Great Society programs. They created a bigger problem than they started with. It's all part of their dialectic process. If people were not taxed to the max, financially, emotionally, and time-wise, people could spend more time helping to lift others out of their pit.

I know you hate to be quoted the Bible, but for others, here's an appropriate one that describes government, ours in particular:

Amo 6:6 — That drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the chief ointments: but they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph.

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Amo/Amo006.html#6

see the related passage at Gen. 37:

http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Amo/6/6.html

We've been sold into slavery, Tommy, just like Joseph. Joseph is symbolic of the House of Israel. Joseph/Israel is the low tree in Ezekiel 17:24, our government is synonymous with the second eagle in verses 1-10. As God delivered Joseph out of the pit wherein is no water [ http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen037.html#24 ], so will He deliver us:

Zec 9:11 ¶ As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein [is] no water.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec009.html#11

God works through His people, until such time as He gets fed up, and takes the matter into His own hands.

If you feel your government should be doing something different, you could try getting some people together and put pressure on your government to do the right thing. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. They are not going to do the right thing unless someone raises a ruckus.

But this evil government is not going to last forever [ http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa009.html#6 ], thank God, and it will be up to WE, the people, to do the right thing.

see The Christmas Conspiracy

http://thechristmasconspiracy.com/

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-09   17:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lodwick (#22)

I believe that there are both good and evil angels doing their work among us today.

Amen to that, and I think the prince of the evil ones was released from his prison on 9/11 [Rev. 20:7-10]. Some people saw his face in the towers. I don't know if it was you or Red Jones, that said the Bush people airbrushed him out! Maybe they have a guilty conscience, if that's possible.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-09   17:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#23)

And yet nobody comments on my BRILLIANT Dinosaur Idea to cure the homeless problem.

Ingenious - I'll say that.

But anything would be better than what we have going on today.

Wouldn't it?

Lod  posted on  2006-09-09   17:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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