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Title: THE DISBELIEVERS -- 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Are Building Their Case Against the Government From Ground Zero (from the Washington Post, no less!)
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Published: Sep 8, 2006
Author: Michael Powell
Post Date: 2006-09-08 08:39:15 by Arator
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The Disbelievers By Michael Powell NEW YORK He felt no shiver of doubt in those first terrible hours. He watched the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and assumed al-Qaeda had wreaked terrible vengeance. He listened to anchors and military experts and assumed the facts of Sept. 11, 2001, were as stated on the screen. It was a year before David Ray Griffin, an eminent liberal theologian and philosopher, began his stroll down the path of disbelief. He wondered why Bush listened to a child's story while the nation was attacked and how Osama bin Laden, America's Public Enemy No. 1, escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora. He wondered why 110-story towers crashed and military jets failed to intercept even one airliner. He read the 9/11 Commission report with a swell of anger. Contradictions were ignored and no military or civilian official was reprimanded, much less cashiered. "To me, the report read as a cartoon." White-haired and courtly, Griffin sits on a couch in a hotel lobby in Manhattan, unspooling words in that reasonable Presbyterian minister's voice. "It's a much greater stretch to accept the official conspiracy story than to consider the alternatives." Such as? "There was massive complicity in this attack by U.S. government operatives." If that feels like a skip off the cliff of established reality, more Americans are in free fall than you might guess. There are few more startling measures of American distrust of leaders than the widespread belief that the Bush administration had a hand in the attacks of Sept. 11 in order to spark an invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. A recent Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll of 1,010 Americans found that 36 percent suspect the U.S. government promoted the attacks or intentionally sat on its hands. Sixteen percent believe explosives brought down the towers. Twelve percent believe a cruise missile hit the Pentagon. Distrust percolates more strongly near Ground Zero. A Zogby International poll of New York City residents two years ago found 49.3 percent believed the government "consciously failed to act." You could dismiss this as a louder than usual howl from the CIA-controls-my-thoughts-through-the-filling-in-my-molar crowd. Establishment assessments of the believers tend toward the psychotherapeutic. Many academics, politicians and thinkers left, right and center say the conspiracy theories are a case of one plus one equals five. It's a piling up of improbabilities. Thomas Eager, a professor of materials science at MIT, has studied the collapse of the twin towers. "At first, I thought it was amazing that the buildings would come down in their own footprints," Eager says. "Then I realized that it wasn't that amazing -- it's the only way a building that weighs a million tons and is 95 percent air can come down." But the chatter out there is loud enough for the National Institute of Standards and Technology to post a Web "fact sheet" poking holes in the conspiracy theories and defending its report on the towers. Yeah, as if . . . The loose agglomeration known as the "9/11 Truth Movement" has stopped looking for truth from the government. As cacophonous and free-range a bunch of conspiracists anywhere this side of Guy Fawkes, they produce hip-hop inflected documentaries and scholarly conferences. The Web is their mother lode. Every citizen is a researcher. There's nothing like a triple, Google-fed epiphany lighting up the laptop at 2:44 a.m. Did you see that the CIA met with bin Laden in a hospital room in Dubai? Check out this Pakistani site, there are really weird doings in Baluchistan . . . The academic wing is led by Griffin, who founded the Center for a Postmodern World at Claremont University; James Fetzer, a tenured philosopher at the University of Minnesota (Fetzer's an old hand in JFK assassination research); and Daniel Orr, the retired chairman of the economics department at the University of Illinois. The movement's de facto minister of engineering is Steven Jones, a tenured physics professor at Brigham Young University, who's studied vectors and velocities and tested explosives and concluded that the collapse of the twin towers is best explained as controlled demolition, sped by a thousand pounds of high-grade thermite. Former Reagan aide Barbara Honegger is a senior military affairs journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School in California. She's convinced, based on her freelance research, that a bomb went off about six minutes before an airplane hit the Pentagon -- or didn't hit it, as some believe the case may be. Catherine Austin Fitts served as assistant secretary of housing in the first President Bush's administration and gained a fine reputation as a fraud buster; David Bowman was chief of advanced space programs under presidents Ford and Carter. Fitts and Bowman agree that the "most unbelievable conspiracy" theory is the one retailed by the government. Then there's Morgan O. Reynolds, appointed by George W. Bush as chief economist at the Labor Department. He left in 2002 and doesn't think much of his former boss; he describes President Bush as a "dysfunctional creep," not to mention a "possible war criminal." You reach Reynolds at his country home in the hills of Arkansas. His favored rhetorical style is long paragraphs without obvious punctuation: "Who did it? Elements of our government and M-16 and the Mossad. The government's case is a laugh-out-loud proposition. They used patsies and lies and subterfuge and there's no way that Bush and Cheney could have invaded Iraq without the help of 9/11." They are cantankerous and sometimes distrust each other -- who knows where the double agents lurk? But unreasonable questions resonate with the reasonable. Colleen Kelly's brother, a salesman, had breakfast at the Windows on the World restaurant on Sept. 11. After he died she founded September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows to oppose the Iraq war. She lives in the Bronx and gives a gingerly embrace to the conspiracy crowd. "Sometimes I listen to them and I think that's sooooo outlandish and bizarre," she says. "But that day had such disastrous geopolitical consequences. If David Ray Griffin asks uncomfortable questions and points out painful discrepancies? Good for him." Griffin's book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11," never reviewed in a major U.S. newspaper, sold more than 100,000 copies and became a movement founding stone. Last year he traveled through New England, giving speeches in whitewashed churches and gymnasiums. He came to West Hartford, Conn., on a rainy autumn evening. Four hundred mostly middle-aged and upper-middle-class doctors and lawyers, teachers and social workers sat waiting. Griffin took the podium and laid down his ideas with calm and cool. He concluded: "It is already possible to know beyond a reasonable doubt one very important thing: The destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by domestic terrorists," he says. "The welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed." The audience rose and applauded for more than a minute. "Reality is a thin line between denial and paranoia." -- Author unknown, but often quoted by the 9/11 truth movement "Me?" You've asked the Rev. Frank Morales, the bohemian Episcopalian minister with the hipster goatee, where he stands on the nature of the conspiracy. We're standing in the ancient graveyard of St. Mark's Church in the Bowery on Second Avenue. "I lean to LIHOP." The 9/11 truthers share a lieutenant colonel's love of acronyms. They divide themselves into LIHOPS and MIHOPS and differences are not trifling. LIHOP stands for "Let It Happen On Purpose," which means someone inside the U.S. government intentionally let the terror conspiracy go. MIHOP means "Made It Happen On Purpose," and its gradations center on whether Bush was in or out of the loop (a surprising number believe he was clueless) and whether the Mossad or British intelligence was dealt into the deal. Morales, 57, who came out of the Lower East Side housing projects, spent days at Ground Zero performing last rites for the dead, many little more than a collection of body parts. "I didn't presume to know who did it," he says. "There was a lot of shucking and jiving. I wonder at what point massive incompetence crosses over into negligent homicide." To make sense of the truth movement's anger, you need to hit the rewind button to early 2001, with the hindsight of today. There was, as the 9/11 Commission hearings made clear, a bad moon rising. Warnings kept coming of a "high probability" of a "spectacular" terrorist attack. A national security adviser warned Condoleezza Rice there were terrorist cells, probably al-Qaeda guys, in the country. CIA chief George Tenet said the "system was blinking red." A presidential bulletin on Aug. 6 had a catchy title: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." Bush did not discuss it again with Tenet before Sept. 11. So give the truth movement, many of whom are based in New York City, their props. They may be paranoid, but something nasty came our way. They pore over the paper trail with a Sherlock Holmesian intensity, alert to intriguing discrepancy. Such as: Former transporation secretary Norman Mineta told the commission he arrived in the presidential operations center -- under the White House -- at 9:20 a.m. on Sept. 11 and found Vice President Cheney. When an aide asked Cheney about the hijacked plane fast approaching the Pentagon, Mineta says the vice president snapped that the "orders still stand." Mineta assumed the orders were to shoot the plane down. Conspiracy theorists interpret this to mean: Don't shoot it down. Cheney later said he was not in the operations center until after the plane hit. The commission never mentioned Mineta's contradictory version. In September 2001, NORAD generals said they learned of the hijackings in time to scramble fighter jets. But the government recently released tapes claiming to show the FAA did not tell the military about the hijackings until three of the four planes had crashed. That would mean the FAA repeatedly lied. It would also mean, as Griffin points out, that the entire military chain of command stayed quiet about huge inaccuracies for four years "even though . . . the true story would put the military in a better light." More mysteries pile up. The 9/11 Commission says Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9:37. But Honegger says clocks stopped at the Pentagon at 9:32. Then there's the collapse of the twin towers, which Jones, the physics professor, timed at just short of free fall. Griffin cites firefighters, including a captain, who said in hearings and on tapes from that day that they saw flashes and heard the sound of explosions before the collapse. "It's like the Nazi-facilitated Reichstag fire," Honegger says from her home in California. "They guided and secretly protected it to justify their global agenda." Let's put aside the could-anyone-do-something-that-spectacularly-twisted? question and touch on practicalities. Isn't the problem with big ugly conspiracies -- from the Gulf of Tonkin to My Lai to the 1961 Pentagon plan to provoke a war by attacking Americans and blaming it on Castro -- that they are too big and ugly to keep secret? Griffin shrugs. History is littered with government black-bag jobs. "How do you know they can't keep big secrets? Can you be sure you know what you don't know?" * * * There is a "morning after" quality to the conspiratorial romance. One moment you groove on the epiphanies and the next moment you're lost in a dull haze of "this cannot be a coincidence," "perhaps significantly" and "if so . . ." What of incompetence? Or the raw absurdity of life? The truth movement makes much of a 2001 BBC report that a half-dozen of the hijackers were still alive. They mention Waleed al Shehri, a pilot who still flies commercial runs in Morocco. But the BBC retracted that. It turns out the live guy and the dead hijacker spelled their names differently. Then there's the theory that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon and United 93 did not crash in Shanksville, Pa. But, like, what happened to the passengers? (Among the passengers on Flight 77 was Barbara Olson, wife of former U.S. solicitor general Ted Olson). "Why should any of us know where it went?" Griffin says. "It could have been it crashed in Kentucky. We don't need a theory where it went." Chip Berlet, senior analyst at Political Research Associates, a Boston-based left-leaning think tank, is no fan of the 9/11 Commission. He believes a serious investigation should have led to indictments and the firing of incompetent generals and civilian officials. But he has no patience with the conspiracy theorists. "They don't do their homework; it's a kind of charlatanism," Berlet says over the phone. "They say there's no debris on the lawn in front of the Pentagon, but they base their analysis on a photo on the Internet . That's like analyzing an impressionist painting by looking at a postcard." Now comes a loud sigh. "I love 'The X-Files' but I don't base my research on it," he says. "My vision of hell is having to review these [conspiracy] books over and over again." Let's move on to Eager of MIT. "Demolition experts say, 'Ohhh, it's all science and timing.' Bull!" Eager says. "What's the technique? If 200,000 tons gives way, where do you think it's going? Straight down." In the days after Sept. 11, experts claimed temperatures reached 2,000 degrees on the upper floors. Others claimed steel melted. Nope. What happened, Eager says, is that jet fuel sloshed around and beams got rubbery. "It's not too much to think that you could have some regions at 900 degrees and others at 1,200 degrees, and that will distort the beams." The truth movement doesn't really care for Eager. A Web site casts a fisheye of suspicion at the professor and his colleagues. "Did the MIT have prior knowledge?" notes one chat room. "This is for sure another speculative topic . . . " "It is no measure of health to be sane in an insane society." -- Krishnamurti Nico Haupt, a gaunt fellow in black sneakers, black socks, black jeans and black T-shirt, stands up in St. Mark's Church in the Bowery. He holds aloft two blue Oreos boxes taped to resemble the twin towers. A pen juts out, kind of like a Boeing airplane. For an hour he's shown videos of planes hitting the towers. If you note the glinting sunlight and angle of wings and you're honest about vectors and maybe the hashish is kicking in, you'll realize there were no planes . Truth movement veterans distance themselves from Haupt, who has a bit of a temper. But Reynolds, the former Labor Department economist, also is a "no-planer." "There were no planes, there were no hijackers," Reynolds insists. "I know, I know, I'm out of the mainstream, but that's the way it is." But what about all those New Yorkers who saw airplanes hitting the twin towers? A chuckle rumbles down the phone line. "I don't believe anyone in Lower Manhattan," he says. "You hire three dozen Actors' Equity dudes and they'll say anything ." Some days the 9/11 truth movement resembles an Italian coalition government -- dissolution is a certainty. Honegger and Griffin believe bombs brought down the twin towers but have little truck with make-believe planes. There's a faction that says the Mossad did it and another that says that's insane, and maybe anti-Semitic. Where are we going here? There's a Journal of 9/11 Studies, documentaries, CDs and DVDs. Is conspiracy thought getting codified? "That's our worry, of course," Griffin says. "I want my life back. But how can I ignore that we have become entranced by demonic power, so focused on lust for wealth and control that almost anything becomes possible?" You reach Honegger a few nights later. She'd like to give it up, too. "I am sitting here in my little office trying to figure out what happened to my country on this day. I wouldn't be a patriot if I didn't try to prove the government's story is preposterous."
Poster Comment: This is the fairest, most comprehensive peice on the 9-11 truth movement in the mainstream media to date. And in the Washington Post no less. This is a breakthrough and a portent of bad things to come for this criminal administration. The prairie fire that is 9-11 truth has finally penetrated the Beltway and is heading right for the White House.
9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Are Building Their Case Against the Government From Ground Zero
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 8, 2006; C01
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Check out this breakthrough 9-11 truth story from the Washington Post!
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You too, JT.
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AND their backers.
They're getting there.
Love that line.
Thanks for the ping, A. The dam is breaking. Follow the $$$$$$
And they can't swim.
It only follows that if non believers buy Pearl Harbor and the Gulf of Tonkin, they'll love this swill.
now we know why 911 Truthers have been deemed terrorists by this white house.
As Griffin repeatedly points out in his new book (which I am still in the process of reading,) the official account of 9/11 is a piling up of improbabilities.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
The audience rose and applauded for more than a minute. "Reality is a thin line between denial and paranoia." -- Author unknown, but often quoted by the 9/11 truth movement "The welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed." Agreed. If the world is to join 'us' in a perpetual WOT, and have doubts about it's aim, then we must answer the questions to properly focus our efforts.. since cost of fighting the wrong enemy, spells victory for the true ones. Bottomline, who benefitted most from this. Follow the money. Thanks for the ping Arator.
"Alas, how many have been persecuted for the wrong of having been right?" -- Jean-Baptiste Say (1767-1832) Source: A Treatise on Political Economy, 1803 "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." -- John Morley (1838-1923) Source: Critical Miscellanies LOL
SO WHY WON'T THE GOVT RELEASE THE 30 fps high-quality video that we ALL KNOW MUST EXIST ALL AROUND THE PENTAGON!?
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers For me- it isn't so much the particulars of which conspiracy theory is the right one- it is a whole host of things taken together that make me smell a rat. The way the victims families were paid off almost immediately- under condition of no further law suits against the government, owners of the WTC, or airlines. The way the Patriot Act was pre-written and ready to pass in the middle of the night within days after 9/11. The complete lack of press interest in the 9/11 hijackers themselves- who they were, where they came from, what they did in the days before hand. One would think that as most Americans know the year book quote of that poor freak who tried to say he murdered Jon Bonet Ramsey and who know the name of Scott Peterson's mistress- that they would know the intimate details of Mohammud Atta's life- the suppossed ring leader of the biggest mass murder in US history. But no. Most Americans couldn't name ONE hijacker to save their lives- much less name two. The way the pictures of these hijackers were flashed on American TV screens within 24 hours of 9/11. The refusal to release security cam pictures from various sources. The weird way in which Bush went out of his way to specifically say- a couple weeks after 9/11- that "Conspiracy theories" about 9/11 were not to be tolerated. The holding of the alledged "Ring Leaders" of AQ and 9/11 in secret prisons with no trial of any sort (Hitler tried the reichstag fire suspects in public for the Love of Pete!) The way in which AQ has been misrepresented and presented as some sort of world wide movement that just happens to be everywhere the US military wants to be. The way in which AQ "communicates" to us- only through our government or anonymous tapes to Al Jazzerra. No independent press contacts of any sort. The Moussoui trial. And a whole host of other intagibles . . .
... and so many improbabilities and coincidences. Great post.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers how soon after 911 did you become suspicious ?
I remember I still thought Cynthia McKinney was a nut for making her charges about 9/11 before the primary that she lost in 2002. As best I can recollect, I started taking conspiracy theories seriously after I read Andreas von Bülow's book Die CIA und der 11. September [The CIA and 9/11] at some point in 2003. Interestingly, that book has never been translated into English.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
The tone of the article is dismissive and flippant overall. Now, one would think that with 11 of the top 9/11 big wigs having been held in secret prisons for the last 5 years- in which they have been tortured- and with only a retard being tried for 9/11- that groups like the ACLU would be screaming to the high heavens day in a day out to produce these guys in a court of law and for the government to make its case that these dudes plotted and carried out the 9/11 attack. But no. We have nothing of the sort. Indeed- our government learned from Hitler's and Stalin's Show Trials - which ultimatley were major propaganda failures as the glaring inconsistencies and lies showed through- and no public trial of these guys is ever forth coming. That fact alone should cause people, in a country that supposedly is distrustful of government- indeed- whose founding document is built around the notion that government can't be trusted- to question 9/11. Right now- no questioning of 9/11- beyond saying that certain bureaucracies dropped the ball and finger pointing among the partisan rubes at Clinton and Bush- is tolerated in "respectable" Beltway MSM media. http://Anti-war.com, http://LewRockwell.com- still always under pin their articles with the tacit aknowledgement that AQ did 9/11 and that AQ does indeed exist (though some arguments about its size and scope and configuration is allowed.) When will we know that the lies about 9/11 are faltering? When someone with somoething to lose- a Beltway player or even a wannabe- refuses to stay within this "Beltway paramemeter" on 9/11 and does so in a major MSM outlet. He doesn't even have to subscribe to a particular "Theory." He just has to refuse to use the unproven assumption that "AQ" did 9/11.
The only way to get it past the WaPo editors. I'm sure the article will nevertheless stir doubts in a lot of the paper's readers.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
It took time, as anger and hate filled me up and I wanted to see a lot of them Arabs get killed. But as the blinding rage cooled- I started to get nagging feelings maybe 6 months later. The insane push for war against Iraq and the glaring lies in our media (contradciting their own archives for example from just a few years earlier) also had a lot to do with it. I smelled a rat within a year of 9/11- but like many- I didn't let on about that suspicion - even really admit it to myself- for years. I pulled A LOT of punches at FR and the atmosphere made me self censor myself and my thoughts. I wanted to "belong" and stay within the parameters of what was "acceptable" thought. But- yeah- I would say a year after 9/11 questions were swirling in my head that I tried to ignore. But it wasn't until about 18 months ago that I just chucked the last hesitations and started posting my true suspiciouns about 9/11 on the internet.
you read and speak german?
Yes. Reading foreign languages is a good way to escape the straitjacket of self-censored publications in this country. At the moment, I wish I were able to read Arabic and Farsi.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
I was told this was happening, and deliberately went out to do the bicycle ride I was on my way to do. I thought about that sturdy steel structure I had watched go up on visits to New York as a teenager and my thoughts ran toward the whys this was happening on the watch of a guy whom I knew stole the election. I have been a follower of JFK conspiracy theory all my life and I have suspected his dad and Nixon as being involved in that murder a long time. Denial that our government could do this was comfortable psychologically for a while, but rational cold knowledge of the nature of the beast wins out in the end. I know Bush did this. I know this from beyond the realm of undeniable and damning evidence. I know from my deepest gut instincts he at least enabled this and harnessed a situation to his benefit. He hires those with knowledge he is too intellectually to learn himself to give him briefings he as a quick study then can regurgitate. He also hires terrorists, real or those who assume the guise of terrorists to create useful history he can harness to his benefit. The way he uses 9 11 to justify war in Iraq shows he has been of mind to do this before 9 11 happened. It is a very easy connection to make to be suspicious of this ethic-less jellyfish of a dry drunk who dons the sheepskin of a Christian getting such a useful gift as these terror events. When I was in the military, I heard the "this is what happens, and this is what we will say happened" too many times not to have the alarm bells go off anyway. He did it. I know it. I want him to pay for what he did. He is an actor, a pretender whose presidency shows how little he cares about the life or welfare of anyone else. He makes it clear he looks forward to retirement and it is obvious he views this as a period of obligation, nothing more. He is not inspired to be president because he cares about the Constitution, our way of life or the American people. He is in a game as a player of a shadow government subverting the control of the U.S. Government from the people, the citizens, the true owners to people who coldly look at the U.S. as an engine, a tool for world conquest. What people should be profoundly frightened of is that all the people who control Bush to control this country care about the infrastructure, the highways, the real estate; but they don't like people who ask too many questions and who disagree with them and they are planning for a time they feel they can start offing those who offend them, Constitutional rights be damned. That time might be closer then we think. Under these people's control, the U.S. is merely a tool whose people, history and law mean nothing to them. They not only invited in an entire new workforce to leverage down wages, they are willing to decide who stays and who goes. I believe detainment and martial law is coming. I feel that as strongly to be true as I feel that Bush did 9 11, that it was indeed an inside job.
i became suspicious when within 48 hrs(?) we were told "what really happened." yeah, right.
yep, you were too dangerous for that forum. well, their loss. our gain.
My father told me on 9/11 that it was an inside job. The crimminals have overplayed their hand...the jig is up and americans feel it. A significant minority know BushCheneyInc for the traitors they are. Just as there is no way to stop a tidal wave, these heinous men are on their way out to sea with no reprieve.
No. Bush is a sock puppet. This deed was not done by just a cheap dope politician like Bush. This was an event orchestrated by a few major Beltway players- more than likely using compartmentalized cells for different tasks to carry out the objective - none of whom knew the full plan. I would also suspect the contracting of free lancers and foreign intelligence agencies. A deed like this is not going to have a smoking gun. The supervillians are not going to be caught monolouging about their genius plans on tape like in some comic book. Every Beltway player knows SOMETHING fishy happened. And they know enough to shut the f*ck up and play dumb and stay within the acceptable parameters of thought on 9/11. They whisper among themselves and speculate like we do- perhaps with better accuracy and with inside info gleaned from their experiences- but very few people know the full story. But for this to work- it had to had the full cooperation of at least 3 or 4 top CIA people- the partial involvement of half a dozen lower managers and directors- and the same in DOD. And of course top corporate parasite involvement as well- 3 or 4 top media owners in on it partially- or at least told enough that if they don't suspect they are retards- along with some MIC thieves and leeches. The number of people who actually know everything about 9/11? No more than 2 dozen. Everyone else is just a bit player given rolls to perform and tasks to carry out- all in the dark of each other. As per standard black op procedure. (Thus the "Thousands of people would have to know" line of the bootlickers is a complete canard by the way.)
I know this. I framed my comments from the "buck stops here" Truman standard. They use their puppet as the dupe carrying out their agenda, and I use him as a dupe to attack them by projecting him through the lens of what he is supposed to be as president, not by what he is as a sock puppet.
Speaking of compartmentalization, the Waldron-Hartmann book Ultimate Sacrifice on the JFK assassination is a plausible account of how this sort of thing gets done. Since I'm still only partway through the book, I can't offer any judgment on whether I buy their explanation of how the JFK assassination actually happened. But I do say that their account is at least plausible.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
Yeah I saw that, zero proof of any temps above 1230 degrees.
Mark If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
thanks for the excellent article Arator. I agree with the lady above who says a real patriot must look closely and skeptically at the september 11 events. I don't believe the official story at all. The people who rule us did the whole thing. but here's my advice in this bible quote following. Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. and if you read both chapters 24 & 25 of Matthew you get a real good look at what will happen. We're in early stages now. Let's not get upset over it. We don't control these things.
"It is already possible to know beyond a reasonable doubt one very important thing: The destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by domestic terrorists. The welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed." Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation
David Ray Griffin - The Washington Post - The Disbelievers - By Michael Powell - Friday, September 8, 2006; Page C01. I think the evil ones know this too, that's why they're going after investigative journalists like Bollyn, Palast and are now pressuring ABC not to show "Path to 9/11".
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers If what is being reported about "Path to 9/11" is at all accurate, it's a piece of lying, Goebbelsesque propaganda. Perhaps some harm would be done by forcing ABC/Disney to back down and not show it, but it seems to me far more harm would be done if the docudrama is aired.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
Oh, so the pressure to not show it is just a ruse?
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers As far as I can see, the pressure to not show it is perfectly genuine. I also think it is perfectly justified.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
I completely misunderstood where the source of the pressure was coming from or what the film was about ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14707869/ Top officials of the Clinton administration have launched a preemptive strike against an ABC-TV "docudrama," slated to air Sunday and Monday, that they say includes made-up scenes depicting them as undermining attempts to kill Osama bin Laden.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Griffin took the podium and laid down his ideas with calm and cool. He concluded: "It is already possible to know beyond a reasonable doubt one very important thing: The destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by domestic terrorists," he says. "The welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed." The audience rose and applauded for more than a minute. That is the most impressive thing I have read. If you can convince 400 West Hartfordians of a coverup of 9/11, you have done something!
Do I hear a fat lady singing?
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
#3. To: Arator (#0)
a portent of bad things to come for this criminal administration
#4. To: Arator (#1)
Truth bump.
#5. To: Arator (#0)
"...I wouldn't be a patriot if I didn't try to prove the government's story is preposterous."
#6. To: Arator (#2)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
The dam is breaking.
#8. To: angle (#7)
#9. To: Arator (#0)
#10. To: Arator (#0)
Many academics, politicians and thinkers left, right and center say the conspiracy theories are a case of one plus one equals five. It's a piling up of improbabilities.
#11. To: Arator (#0)
"The welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed."
#12. To: Arator, Kamala (#1)
In the days after Sept. 11, experts claimed temperatures reached 2,000 degrees on the upper floors. Others claimed steel melted. Nope. What happened, Eager says, is that jet fuel sloshed around and beams got rubbery.
#13. To: Arator (#0)
"They don't do their homework; it's a kind of charlatanism," Berlet says over the phone. "They say there's no debris on the lawn in front of the Pentagon, but they base their analysis on a photo on the Internet . That's like analyzing an impressionist painting by looking at a postcard."
#14. To: robin (#13)
#15. To: Burkeman1, *9-11* (#14)
#16. To: Burkeman1 (#14)
#17. To: christine (#16)
how soon after 911 did you become suspicious ?
#18. To: Arator (#1)
#19. To: Burkeman1 (#18)
The tone of the article is dismissive and flippant overall.
#20. To: christine (#16)
#21. To: aristeides (#17)
#22. To: christine (#21)
you read and speak german?
#23. To: christine (#16)
#24. To: Burkeman1 (#20)
#25. To: aristeides (#22)
#26. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
He is in a game as a player of a shadow government subverting the control of the U.S. Government from the people, the citizens, the true owners to people who coldly look at the U.S. as an engine, a tool for world conquest.
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#23)
I know Bush did this.
#28. To: Burkeman1 (#27)
"No. Bush is a sock puppet."
#29. To: Burkeman1 (#27)
#30. To: christine (#12)
#31. To: Arator (#1)
#32. To: Arator (#2)
David Ray Griffin - The Washington Post - The Disbelievers - By Michael Powell - Friday, September 8, 2006; Page C01.
#33. To: Uncle Bill (#32)
"It is already possible to know beyond a reasonable doubt one very important thing: The destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by domestic terrorists. The welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed."
#34. To: robin (#33)
#35. To: aristeides (#34)
#36. To: robin (#35)
#37. To: aristeides (#36)
#38. To: Arator (#0)
He came to West Hartford, Conn., on a rainy autumn evening. Four hundred mostly middle-aged and upper-middle-class doctors and lawyers, teachers and social workers sat waiting.
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