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Title: A few mehitable thoughts on 9/11
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Published: Sep 11, 2006
Author: Mehitable Storm
Post Date: 2006-09-11 14:36:50 by mehitable
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Last night on CBS I stumbled upon an extraodinary documentary. I don't know the whole story about it. It looked like a couple of French film makers - brothers. Gideon and I think the other was, Jules, who were filming a documentary on an American firehouse and just happened to be in the firehouse on 9/11. Maybe many of you have already seen this or are aware of it. It's extraordinary. They go off on the 9/11 call with these fireman and they're in the thick of everything, both inside and outside of the towers. It's interesting to hear some of the firemen right on the tape talking about the "explosions". I didn't see the whole thing unfortunate - I might have missed the first 15 or 20 minutes and I'd love to see the whole thing if it's available. It was incredible watching the two towers fall again from the vantage point of these 2 documentary makers. You could see the fire burning on the top floors from most of the buildings were intact until they just collapsed downward like a paper bag. I don't even know how to describe it....except...this did not look like something that would happen because two planes hit those top floors. They DID look like buildings that I've seen deliberately demolished. A controlled demolition. The type of collapse looked identical to me. Moreover, apparently NOTHING intact was found. One fireman said that this was an entire office building and you could not find an intact desk or cabinet or phone - he found I believe the keypad of a phone and that was the larges identifiable object he found. And someone found Mohammed Atta's passport.....intact? After being on the plane, and then through that collapse of 3 buildings? After seeing this again, I believe a new and independent investigation must be launched as there are far too many questions. To me, this does indeed look like controlled demolition, and there are far more questions besides that. The bottom line is: do you believe that there are people in the Bush administration who are so evil and callous and calculating that they would be willing to kill several thousand Americans to make potentially billions of dollars and to gain unlimited power. I believe the answer is clearly yes. Once you are willing to admit that the answer to that is yes....you must concur that a new, objective investigation is necessary. On a couple of side notes - I heard that BYU is cracking down on Professor Jones. I think they suspended him. Anyone have any info? I also wanted to take this opportunity to thank, in my small way, the fire and policemen of New York City, who showed a nation what true courage, sacrifice and discipline were in the face of an unimaginable hell. Politicians like Bush use these experiences for their own gain, but they would NEVER make any of the sacrifices or perform any of the heroics that these ordinary men would do. They are the heroes of our time.

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#9. To: WTC7 911Smoking Cannon (#5)

I can't really play the sound here at work - can you clarify for me? Am I seeing Building 7 coming down in this clip? And is Silverstein saying that it was deliberately brought down (which was my previous understanding)? Because if that's the case - it looks JUST LIKE the collapse of the two main towers.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   14:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mehitable, all (#3)

The live commentary was definitely talking about controlled demolition - until the cover-story was rolled out - the evil A.rabs.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-11   14:54:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#8)

Peetie, if any fireman had been looting on that day, his brothers would have killed the bastard. I mean that. These are NOT those types of guys, and certainly NOT in that kind of situation. These are serious men doing deadly work, and losing their brothers as it happens.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   14:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mehitable (#9)

Correct. The explosives to "pull" WTC 7 had to have been placed weeks in advance of Silverstein's order that day. Hence, my belief that 7 is the smoking cannon of 911.

WTC 7 Building Pulled

WTC7 911Smoking Cannon  posted on  2006-09-11   14:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mehitable (#0)

The bottom line is: do you believe that there are people in the Bush administration who are so evil and callous and calculating that they would be willing to kill several thousand Americans to make potentially billions of dollars and to gain unlimited power.

Bingo. If one looks at what this event was used for (Iraq) it isn't a far leap to consider i911 as an inside job.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-11   14:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: WTC7 911Smoking Cannon (#12)

Damn, you're right on the money. When did 7 go down? So we have one building where they're admitting it's a controlled demo, which makes you ask - when did you put the explosives in, as that's a very tricky operation - that takes time to plan and organize. You don't just run in there like Wil E. Coyote and let ' er rip. Furthermore, the collapse looks exactly the same as the twin towers.

I think the more people see this actual footage, the more they're going to realize this had to be deliberate. It wasn't the planes. But that is really devastating to a lot of people's belief systems, and that's what it comes down to. "Can you believe it?"

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: WTC7 911Smoking Cannon (#12)

What time did Building 7 go down? Do you know off hand?

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mehitable (#14)

But that is really devastating to a lot of people's belief systems, and that's what it comes down to. "Can you believe it?"

Our question is, "How can you NOT believe it?"

Please put on your critical thinking caps, all you bots out there...smirk is not Jesus, and God does not talk to him, and on and on and on - THINK! for crying out loud.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-11   15:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mehitable (#15)

In a stunning and belated development concerning the attacks of 9/11 Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish the Solomon Bros. building, or WTC 7, late in the afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001.

WTC 7 Building Pulled

WTC7 911Smoking Cannon  posted on  2006-09-11   15:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mehitable (#15)

Around 5:30pm ET was when 7 was pulled - I think.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-11   15:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lodwick (#16)

It's more than the bots though. I was listening to comedienne Stephanie Miller the other day - a very liberal democrat. She has one second banana on her show who believes in the 9/11 truth movement, but she cannot bring herself to believe it. She just cannot bring herself to believe that there are people THAT evil in this country, or that we have lost control to this extent. That's what the majority of people who refuse to even consider the 9/11 evidence are like. It's not that they support Bush so much as they simply cannot believe we have men that evil leading this country and that we have lost control to this extent. It's devastating to them. Me? I want to know the truth regardless of the cost or how painful it might be. You can only fix things when you know the truth.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: WTC7 911Smoking Cannon (#17)

You're right, Smoking - that IS the smoking gun. They would not have had time to plan and execute that kind of action as neatly as they did considering the chaos around them, in those few short hours. I can't imagine that. Have you ever seen anyone try to debate this point or to explain how they had to time to figure out how and where to plant those charges and go execute it? I understand that this is a very painstaking process.

Moreover - beyond that - I have to ask WHY did they pull down building 7 at that point at all? It was a disaster area anyway - would leaving it up have mattered? If it was in danger of collapsing anyway, why not let it. I'd like to hear the reasoning behind this.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: mehitable (#19)

Me? I want to know the truth regardless of the cost or how painful it might be. You can only fix things when you know the truth.

Amen.

Driving back from coffee this morning and listening to some show discussing third parties, it popped into my dome that we should have a Truth Party, for a nice change.

Lie, and you Die - could be the slogan.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-11   15:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: lodwick (#21)

If our suspicions are correct, and the American people find out, that's the end of the Republican Party. No doubt that means a new party will emerge to serve as the opposition to the Democrats.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-11   15:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mehitable (#20)

I have to ask WHY did they pull down building 7 at that point at all?

It would have cost Larry a fortune to have made the needed environmental retrofits (just like I & II) so it was pulled - and he made a financial killing on the entire operation.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-11   15:16:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: mehitable, all (#15)

September 11: Chronology of terror

8:45 a.m. (all times are EDT): A hijacked passenger jet, American Airlines Flight 11 out of Boston, Massachusetts, crashes into the north tower of the World Trade Center, tearing a gaping hole in the building and setting it afire.

Plane hits WTC
Plane hits WTC.  

9:03 a.m.: A second hijacked airliner, United Airlines Flight 175 from Boston, crashes into the south tower of the World Trade Center and explodes. Both buildings are burning.

9:17 a.m.: The Federal Aviation Administration shuts down all New York City area airports.

9:21 a.m.: The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey orders all bridges and tunnels in the New York area closed.

9:30 a.m.: President Bush, speaking in Sarasota, Florida, says the country has suffered an "apparent terrorist attack."

9:40 a.m.: The FAA halts all flight operations at U.S. airports, the first time in U.S. history that air traffic nationwide has been halted.

9:43 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, sending up a huge plume of smoke. Evacuation begins immediately.

9:45 a.m.: The White House evacuates.

9:57 a.m.: Bush departs from Florida.

10:05 a.m.: The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses, plummeting into the streets below. A massive cloud of dust and debris forms and slowly drifts away from the building.

Pentagon burns
Pentagon burns.  

10:08 a.m.: Secret Service agents armed with automatic rifles are deployed into Lafayette Park across from the White House.

10:10 a.m.: A portion of the Pentagon collapses.

10:10 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93, also hijacked, crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, southeast of Pittsburgh.

10:13 a.m.: The United Nations building evacuates, including 4,700 people from the headquarters building and 7,000 total from UNICEF and U.N. development programs.

10:22 a.m.: In Washington, the State and Justice departments are evacuated, along with the World Bank.

10:24 a.m.: The FAA reports that all inbound transatlantic aircraft flying into the United States are being diverted to Canada.

Crash scene in Penn.
Pennsylvania crash scene  

10:28 a.m.: The World Trade Center's north tower collapses from the top down as if it were being peeled apart, releasing a tremendous cloud of debris and smoke.

10:45 a.m.: All federal office buildings in Washington are evacuated.

10.46 a.m.: U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell cuts short his trip to Latin America to return to the United States.

First tower collapes
First tower falls.  

10.48 a.m.: Police confirm the plane crash in Pennsylvania.

10:53 a.m.: New York's primary elections, scheduled for Tuesday, are postponed.

10:54 a.m.: Israel evacuates all diplomatic missions.

10:57 a.m.: New York Gov. George Pataki says all state government offices are closed.

11:02 a.m.: New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani urges New Yorkers to stay at home and orders an evacuation of the area south of Canal Street.

11:16 a.m.: CNN reports that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is preparing emergency-response teams in a precautionary move.

11:18 a.m.: American Airlines reports it has lost two aircraft. American Flight 11, a Boeing 767 flying from Boston to Los Angeles, had 81 passengers and 11 crew aboard. Flight 77, a Boeing 757 en route from Washington's Dulles International Airport to Los Angeles, had 58 passengers and six crew members aboard. Flight 11 slammed into the north tower of the World Trade Center. Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

11:26 a.m.: United Airlines reports that United Flight 93, en route from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, California, has crashed in Pennsylvania. The airline also says that it is "deeply concerned" about United Flight 175.

11:59 a.m.: United Airlines confirms that Flight 175, from Boston to Los Angeles, has crashed with 56 passengers and nine crew members aboard. It hit the World Trade Center's south tower.

12:04 p.m.: Los Angeles International Airport, the destination of three of the crashed airplanes, is evacuated.

12:15 p.m: San Francisco International Airport is evacuated and shut down. The airport was the destination of United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania.

12:15 p.m.: The Immigration and Naturalization Service says U.S. borders with Canada and Mexico are on the highest state of alert, but no decision has been made about closing borders.

12:30 p.m.: The FAA says 50 flights are in U.S. airspace, but none are reporting any problems.

1:04 p.m.: Bush, speaking from Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, says that all appropriate security measures are being taken, including putting the U.S. military on high alert worldwide. He asks for prayers for those killed or wounded in the attacks and says, "Make no mistake, the United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts."

1:27 p.m.: A state of emergency is declared by the city of Washington.

1:44 p.m.: The Pentagon says five warships and two aircraft carriers will leave the U.S. Naval Station in Norfolk, Virginia, to protect the East Coast from further attack and to reduce the number of ships in port. The two carriers, the USS George Washington and the USS John F. Kennedy, are headed for the New York coast. The other ships headed to sea are frigates and guided missile destroyers capable of shooting down aircraft.

1:48 p.m.: Bush leaves Barksdale Air Force Base aboard Air Force One and flies to an Air Force base in Nebraska.

2 p.m.: Senior FBI sources tell CNN they are working on the assumption that the four airplanes that crashed were hijacked as part of a terrorist attack.

2:30 p.m.: The FAA announces there will be no U.S. commercial air traffic until noon EDT Wednesday at the earliest.

2:49 p.m.: At a news conference, Giuliani says that subway and bus service are partially restored in New York City. Asked about the number of people killed, Giuliani says, "I don't think we want to speculate about that -- more than any of us can bear."

3:55 p.m.: Karen Hughes, a White House counselor, says the president is at an undisclosed location, later revealed to be Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska, and is conducting a National Security Council meeting by phone. Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice are in a secure facility at the White House. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is at the Pentagon.

3:55 p.m.: Giuliani now says the number of critically injured in New York City is up to 200 with 2,100 total injuries reported.

4 p.m: CNN National Security Correspondent David Ensor reports that U.S. officials say there are "good indications" that Saudi militant Osama bin Laden, suspected of coordinating the bombings of two U.S. embassies in 1998, is involved in the attacks, based on "new and specific" information developed since the attacks.

4:06 p.m.: California Gov. Gray Davis dispatches urban search-and-rescue teams to New York.

4:10 p.m.: Building 7 of the World Trade Center complex is reported on fire.

4:20 p.m.: U.S. Sen. Bob Graham, D-Florida, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, says he was "not surprised there was an attack (but) was surprised at the specificity." He says he was "shocked at what actually happened -- the extent of it."

4:25 p.m.: The American Stock Exchange, the Nasdaq and the New York Stock Exchange say they will remain closed Wednesday.

4:30 p.m.: The president leaves Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska aboard Air Force One to return to Washington.

5:15 p.m.: CNN Military Affairs Correspondent Jamie McIntyre reports fires are still burning in part of the Pentagon. No death figures have been released yet.

5:20 p.m.: The 47-story Building 7 of the World Trade Center complex collapses. The evacuated building is damaged when the twin towers across the street collapse earlier in the day. Other nearby buildings in the area remain ablaze.

5:30 p.m.: CNN Senior White House Correspondent John King reports that U.S. officials say the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania could have been headed for one of three possible targets: Camp David, the White House or the U.S. Capitol building.

6 p.m.: Explosions are heard in Kabul, Afghanistan, hours after terrorist attacks targeted financial and military centers in the United States. The attacks occurred at 2:30 a.m. local time. Afghanistan is believed to be where bin Laden, who U.S. officials say is possibly behind Tuesday's deadly attacks, is located. U.S. officials say later that the United States had no involvement in the incident whatsoever. The attack is credited to the Northern Alliance, a group fighting the Taliban in the country's ongoing civil war.

6:10 p.m.:Giuliani urges New Yorkers to stay home Wednesday if they can.

6:40 p.m.: Rumsfeld, the U.S. defense secretary, holds a news conference in the Pentagon, noting the building is operational. "It will be in business tomorrow," he says.

6:54 p.m.: Bush arrives back at the White House aboard Marine One and is scheduled to address the nation at 8:30 p.m. The president earlier landed at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland with a three-fighter jet escort. CNN's John King reports Laura Bush arrived earlier by motorcade from a "secure location."

7:17 p.m.: U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft says the FBI is setting up a Web site for tips on the attacks: www.ifccfbi.gov. He also says family and friends of possible victims can leave contact information at 800-331-0075.

7:02 p.m.: CNN's Paula Zahn reports the Marriott Hotel near the World Trade Center is on the verge of collapse and says some New York bridges are now open to outbound traffic.

7:45 p.m.: The New York Police Department says that at least 78 officers are missing. The city also says that as many as half of the first 400 firefighters on the scene were killed.

8:30 p.m.: President Bush addresses the nation, saying "thousands of lives were suddenly ended by evil" and asks for prayers for the families and friends of Tuesday's victims. "These acts shattered steel, but they cannot dent the steel of American resolve," he says. The president says the U.S. government will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed the acts and those who harbor them. He adds that government offices in Washington are reopening for essential personnel Tuesday night and for all workers Wednesday.

9:22 p.m.: CNN's McIntyre reports the fire at the Pentagon is still burning and is considered contained but not under control.

9:57 p.m.: Giuliani says New York City schools will be closed Wednesday and no more volunteers are needed for Tuesday evening's rescue efforts. He says there is hope that there are still people alive in rubble. He also says that power is out on the westside of Manhattan and that health department tests show there are no airborne chemical agents about which to worry.

10:49 p.m.: CNN Congressional Correspondent Jonathan Karl reports that Attorney General Ashcroft told members of Congress that there were three to five hijackers on each plane armed only with knives.

10:56 p.m: CNN's Zahn reports that New York City police believe there are people alive in buildings near the World Trade Center.

11:54 p.m.: CNN Washington Bureau Chief Frank Sesno reports that a government official told him there was an open microphone on one of the hijacked planes and that sounds of discussion and "duress" were heard. Sesno also reports a source says law enforcement has "credible" information and leads and is confident about the investigation.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-11   15:18:33 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: aristeides (#22)

If our suspicions are correct, and the American people find out, that's the end of the Republican Party. No doubt that means a new party will emerge to serve as the opposition to the Democrats.

It would be nice to see them go the way of the Whigs.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: mehitable (#0)

Isn't the official account that Building 7 collapsed on account of fires in it? I'm pretty sure I've seen bots like BAC make that claim on LP.

Apparently the 9/11 Commission made no mention of the collapse of Building 7.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-11   15:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: lodwick (#23)

no, what I meant was - what was the reason he gave at the time for pulling it. To pull it on the same day within hours of the first 2 collapses - what could be so urgent...

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Sesno also reports a source says law enforcement has "credible" information and leads and is confident about the investigation.

Great.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-11   15:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: aristeides (#26)

I've heard that, but I've also heard that Silverstein had deliberately pulled it, which he has apparently admitted to. I wonder why he'd admit that as well - he could have tried to hide it....maybe.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:21:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mehitable (#29)

I think Silverstein is on tape admitting that he said "Pull it," but they deny the words have the normal meaning.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-11   15:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mehitable (#27)

Lars claimed that he spoke with the fire chief and they discussed all the loss of life, and the fire damage to 7, and what the hell, let's just pull it.

It was wired to go, and it went.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-11   15:24:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: All (#24)

11:54 p.m.: CNN Washington Bureau Chief Frank Sesno reports that a government official told him there was an open microphone on one of the hijacked planes and that sounds of discussion and "duress" were heard. Sesno also reports a source says law enforcement has "credible" information and leads and is confident about the investigation.

While we asked to believe government ineptitude was responsible for the event, we're also asked to believe this same government solved the case 12 hours later.

Get real folks…..

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-11   15:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: lodwick (#28)

See #32.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-11   15:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#32)

There was the same combination of ineptitude and a quick solution of the case in the JFK assassination.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-11   15:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: aristeides (#34)

Great point. Oswald was sealed and delivered within hours.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-11   15:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Great time line, JT, thanks.

I think part of what they have counted on, at that point, and beyond, is that this is such a horrifying event that we would not review this intellectually or dispassionately, but just sit, as I did last, night, sobbing. Well, ya stop crying at some point and ask another question:

Could both those buildings really have collapsed from such an impact to the top floors - an apparently controlled impact and fire - within ONE AND A HALF HOURS??????

I understand both buildings were designed to withstand almost anything - including air plane hits (as a plane had indeed hit the nearby Empire State building back in the 40s). Were these buildings really SO BADLY DESIGNED that they could only stay up for an hour and a half after a plane strike on the upper floors? Would those buildings really collapse right down to the ground in such a short time? Have lawsuits ever been filed against the engineering and construction companies that obviously did such a shoddy job?

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lodwick (#31) (Edited)

I remember hearing that the building was unstable, but considering what was happening a few feet away - the collapse of the two towers - I can't imagine going in and pulling yet another building deliberately at that point. There weren't any people in that building at that point anyway, and the whole area was a disaster. It would seem insane to me to SEND demolition experts into the bulding to pull it at that point in time, but maybe I just have limited knowledge or I'm the crazy one.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mehitable (#0)

Once you are willing to admit that the answer to that is yes....you must concur that a new, objective investigation is necessary.

Do you now?

"Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

He who controls the past controls the future.

Having no thought for the morrow, and having forgiven our enemies, does it matter overly much who might have stolen our bread, our drink, our clothes?

Who seeks after those things?


What really hit home for me was when my Croatian limo driver complained about having to learn Spanish.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-11   15:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: mehitable (#37)

It would seem insane to me to SEND demolition experts into the bulding to pull it at that point in time, but maybe I just have limited knowledge or I'm the crazy one.

The SEC's records of on-going investigations into Enron, Global Crossing, and whomever else was under investigation were in 7 - they all went away. I forget all the other benefits from pulling 7, but there were many...

Lod  posted on  2006-09-11   15:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

12:15 p.m.: The Immigration and Naturalization Service says U.S. borders with Canada and Mexico are on the highest state of alert, but no decision has been made about closing borders.

Forget Zionists, they can only dream of the power Vincent Fox has over Bush.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2006-09-11   15:37:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Tauzero (#38)

Yes, I've thought so for some time, but I have to say, that documentary I saw last night really brought it home again. I cannot view those buildings coming down without thinking that they do indeed look like controlled demolitions, and when I combine that with all the other questions - yes, an investigation is required. If this is true, the architects of this diabolical plan should be executed publicly.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lodwick (#39)

I wonder how long they planned this whole thing - the entire caper.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-11   15:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: mehitable, everyone here (#42)

I wonder how long they planned this whole thing - the entire caper.

Man. What a question...

That one makes my head hurt.

Any takers here?

Lod  posted on  2006-09-11   15:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: mehitable (#41)

Yes, I've thought so for some time, but I have to say, that documentary I saw last night really brought it home again. I cannot view those buildings coming down without thinking that they do indeed look like controlled demolitions, and when I combine that with all the other questions - yes, an investigation is required. If this is true, the architects of this diabolical plan should be executed publicly.

The video those two frenchies took was one of the unforeseen happy accidents that the evil ones could not control. Although it certainly was suppressed well, n'est-ce pas?

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-11   16:17:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: mehitable (#42)

The PNAC boys had this in the works sometime in the later 90's. Have you gone through our 911 article section? There are some great reads there. Plenty to spend hours on.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2006-09-12   7:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Kamala (#45)

I've gone through some things but I get overwhelmed, lol. There's SO much info, and my memory isn't that great. I guess for me, seeing these pics the other night is what confirms it in my mind - it's so damn obvious this was a controlled demo. A picture really IS worth a thousand words.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-09-12   10:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: lodwick (#43)

I wonder how long they planned this whole thing - the entire caper.

This is the question I have been asking..AND I have the same question in reference to the JFK assassination..

Lady X  posted on  2006-09-12   10:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mehitable (#14)

I think the more people see this actual footage, the more they're going to realize this had to be deliberate. It wasn't the planes. But that is really devastating to a lot of people's belief systems, and that's what it comes down to. "Can you believe it?"

That is the key- there are a lot of 911 documentaries out there but few of them cover the root cause of all this; as well as the purpose and history of govt sponsored terrorism.

This is where Alex Jones has done what few others in this genre have done. The satanic aspects of the NWO, is important to teach people about. And this as you said is the biggest obstacle. As I saw in one 911 article, the truth about 911 , once reached, has profound implications which makes one question who they are.

I have found that it is very helpful to teach the founders philosophy about govt being inherently corrupt- there are lots of quotes to use to illustrate this. Inevitably this 'road', if people get this far, will get into religious aspects and intimate beilefs- there you have a whole nother ballgame.

However, it is a road well worth travelling.

Artisan  posted on  2006-09-12   11:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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