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Title: The 9/11 Conspiracy Nuts: How They Let the Guilty Parties of 9/11 Slip Off the Hook
Source: Counterpunch
URL Source: http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn09092006.html
Published: Sep 10, 2006
Author: ALEXANDER COCKBURN
Post Date: 2006-09-12 00:14:56 by FormerLurker
Keywords: Coverup, Lies, Propaganda
Views: 396
Comments: 25

September 9/10 , 2006

How They Let the Guilty Parties of 9/11 Slip Off the Hook

The 9/11 Conspiracy Nuts

By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

You trip over one fundamental idiocy of the 9/11 conspiracy nuts -- -- the ones who say Bush and Cheney masterminded the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon -- in the first paragraph of the opening page of the book by one of their high priests, David Ray Griffin, The New Pearl Harbor. “In many respects,” Griffin writes, “the strongest evidence provided by critics of the official account involves the events of 9/11 itself… In light of standard procedures for dealing with hijacked airplanes… not one of these planes should have reached its target, let alone all three of them.”

The operative word here is “should”. One characteristic of the nuts is that they have a devout, albeit preposterous belief in American efficiency, thus many of them start with the racist premise that “Arabs in caves” weren’t capable of the mission. They believe that military systems work the way Pentagon press flacks and aerospace salesmen say they should work. They believe that at 8.14 am, when AA flight 11 switched off its radio and transponder, an FAA flight controller should have called the National Military Command center and NORAD. They believe, citing reverently (this is from high priest Griffin) “the US Air Force’s own website”, that an F-15 could have intercepted AA flight 11 “by 8.24, and certainly no later than 8.30”.

They appear to have read no military history, which is too bad because if they did they’d know that minutely planned operations – let alone responses to an unprecedented emergency -- screw up with monotonous regularity, by reason of stupidity, cowardice, venality, weather and all the other whims of providence.

According to the minutely prepared plans of the Strategic Air Command, an impending Soviet attack would have prompted the missile silos in North Dakota to open, and the ICBMs to arc towards Moscow and kindred targets. The tiny number of test launches actually attempted all failed, whereupon SAC gave up testing. Was it badly designed equipment, human incompetence, defense contractor venality or… CONSPIRACY? (In that case, presumably, a Communist conspiracy, as outlined by ancestors of the present nuts, ever intent on identifying those who would stab America in the back.)

Did the British and French forces in 1940 break and flee a Wehrmacht capable of only one lunge, because of rotten leadership, terrible planning, epic cowardice, or … CONSPIRACY? Did the April 24, 1980 effort to rescue the hostages in the US embassy in Teheran fail because a sandstorm disabled three of the eight helicopters, because the helicopters were poorly made, because of a lousy plan or because of agents of William Casey and the Republican National Committee poured sugar into their gas tanks in yet another CONSPIRACY?

Have the US military’s varying attempts to explain why F-15s didn’t intercept and shoot down the hijacked planes stemmed from absolutely predictable attempts to cover up the usual screw-ups, or because of CONSPIRACY? Is Mr Cohen in his little store at the end of the block hiking his prices because he wants to make a buck, or because his rent just went up or because the Jews want to take over the world? August Bebel said anti-Semitism is the socialism of the fools. These days the 9/11 conspiracy fever threatens to become the “socialism” of the left, and the passe-partout of many libertarians.

It’s awful. My in-box overflows each day with fresh “proofs” of how the WTC buildings were actually demolished, often accompanied by harsh insults identifying me as a “gate-keeper” preventing the truth from getting out. I meet people who start quietly, asking me “what I think about 9/11”. What they are actually trying to find out is whether I’m part of the coven. I imagine it was like being a Stoic in the second century A.D. going for a stroll in the Forum and meeting some fellow asking, with seeming casualness, whether it’s possible to feed 5,000 people on five loaves of bread and a couple of fish.

Indeed, at my school in the 1950s the vicar used to urge on us Frank Morison’s book, Who Moved The Stone? It sought to demonstrate, with exhaustive citation from the Gospels, that since on these accounts no human had moved the stone from in front of Joseph of Arimathea’s tomb, it must beyond the shadow of a doubt have been an angel who rolled it aside and let Jesus out, so he could astonish the mourners and then Ascend. Of course Morison didn’t admit into his argument the possibility that angels don’t exist, or that the gospel writers were making it up.

It’s the same pattern with the 9/11 nuts, who proffer what they demurely call “disturbing questions”, though they disdain all answers but their own. They seize on coincidences and force them into sequences they deem to be logical and significant. Like mad Inquisitors, they pounce on imagined clues in documents and photos, torturing the data –- as the old joke goes about economists -- till the data confess. Their treatment of eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence is whimsical. Apparent anomalies that seem to nourish their theories are brandished excitedly; testimony that undermines their theories – like witnesses of a large plane hitting the Pentagon -- is contemptuously brushed aside.

Anyone familiar with criminal, particularly death penalty defense – I had such an opportunity for a number of years – will know that there are always anomalies the prosecution cannot account for and that the defense teams can exploit, in hopes of swaying a jury either in the guilt or penalty phase of a trial. Time and again I would see the defense team spend days and weeks, even months, back-checking on a possibly vulnerable link in the evidentiary chain that could be attacked, at least to the all-important level of creating “reasonable doubt” in the mind of a juror. Expert witnesses would be imported at great expense –- unlike states such as Texas, the justice system of California is generous in the provision of money for death penalty defense -- to challenge the prosecution’s forensic evidence. Such challenges weren’t hard to mount. Contrary to prosecutorial claims, there is far less instrinsic certainty in forensic evaluation than is commonly supposed, as regards fingerprints, landing marks on bullets and so forth.

But minute focus of a death penalty defense team on one such weak link often leads to a distorted view of the whole case. I remember more than one case where, after weeks of interviewing witnesses at one particular crime scene, the defense’s investigator had collected enough witness reports to mount a decent attack on this aspect of the prosecution’s overall case. At least this is what I thought, hearing the daily bulletins of the investigator. But when, in such instances, the camera pulled back, so to speak, and I saw the prosecution’s whole case – chain of evidence, cumulative witness statements, accused’s own movements and subsequent statements – it became clear enough to me and, in that case to the juries , that the accused were incontestably guilty. But even then, such cases had a vigorous afterlife, with the defense trying to muster up grounds for an appeal, on the basis of testimony and evidence withheld by the prosecution, faulty rulings by the judge, a prejudiced jury member and so on. A seemingly “cut and dried case” is very rarely beyond challenge, even though in essence it actually may well be just that, “cut and dried”.

Anyone who ever looked at the JFK assassination will know that there are endless anomalies and loose ends. Eyewitness testimony – as so often – is conflicting, forensic evidence possibly misconstrued, mishandled or just missing. But in my view, the Warren Commission, as confirmed in almost all essentials by the House Committee on Assassinations in the late 1970s, had it right and Oswald fired the fatal shots from the Schoolbook Depository. The evidentiary chain for his guilt is persuasive, and the cumulative scenarios of the conspiracy nuts entirely unconvincing. But of course – as the years roll by, and even though no death bed confession has ever buttressed those vast, CIA-related scenarios -- the nuts keep on toiling away, their obsessions as unflagging as ever.

Naturally, there are conspiracies. I think there is strong evidence that FDR did have knowledge that a Japanese naval force in the north Pacific was going to launch an attack on Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt thought it would be a relatively mild assault and thought it would be the final green light to get the US into the war.

Of course it’s very probable that the FBI or US military intelligence, even the CIA, had penetrated the Al Qaeda team planning the 9/11 attacks; that intelligence reports – some are already known – piled up in various Washington bureaucracies pointing to the impending onslaught and even the manner in which it might be carried out.

The history of intelligence operations is profuse with example of successful intelligence collection, but also fatal slowness to act on the intelligence, along with eagnerness not to compromise the security and future usefulness of the informant, who has to prove his own credentials by even pressing for prompt action by the plotters. Sometime an undercover agent will actually propose an action, either to deflect efforts away from some graver threat, or to put the plotters in a position where they can be caught red-handed. In their penetrations of environmental groups the FBI certainly did this.

Long before the Yom Kippur war, a CIA analyst noted Egyptian orders from a German engineering firm, and deduced from the type and size of equipment thus ordered that Egypt was planning an attack across the Suez canal. He worked out the probable size of the Egyptian force and the likely time window for the attack. His superiors at the CIA sat on the report. When the Egyptian army finally attacked on October 6, 1973 the CIA high command ordered up the long-buried report, dusted it off and sent it over to the White House, marked “current intelligence”. Was there a “conspiracy” by the CIA high command to allow Israel to be taken by surprise? I doubt it.

Bureaucratic inertia and caution prevailed, until the moment came for decisive CYA acitvity. The nuts make dizzying “deductive” leaps. There is a one particularly vigorous coven which has established to its own satisfaction that the original NASA moon landing was faked, and never took place. This “conspiracy” would have required the complicity of thousands of people , all of whom have kept their mouths shut. The proponents of the “fake moon landing” plot tend to overlap with the JFK and 9/11 nuts.

One notorious “deductive” leap involves flight 77, which on 9/11 ended up crashing into the Pentagon. There are photos of the impact of the “object” -- i.e., the Boeing 757, flight 77 -- that seem to show the sort of hole a missile might make. Ergo, the nuts assert, it WAS a missile and a 757 didn’t hit the Pentagon. As regards the hole, my brother Andrew -- writing a book about Rumsfeld and the DoD during his tenure -- has seen photos taken within 30 minutes of Pentagon impact clearly showing outline of entire plane including wings. This was visible momentarily when the smoke blew away

And if it was a missile, what happened to the 757? Did the conspirators shoot it down somewhere else, or force it down and then kill the passengers? Why plan to demolish the towers with pre-placed explosives if your conspiracy includes control of the two planes that hit them. Why bother with the planes at all. Why blame Osama if your fall guy is Saddam Hussein? Why involve the Israeli “art students”.

The nuts simultaneously credit their targets – the Bush-Cheney “conspirators” -- with superhuman ingenuity and grotesque carelessness. In Webster Griffin Tarpley’s book “9/11 Synthetic Terror Made in USA” he writes that “in an interview with Parade magazine, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld also referred to the object which hit the Pentagon as a ‘missile’. Was this a Freudian slip by the loquacious defense chief?” (And, a nut might add, is it mere coincidence that Webster Griffin Tarpley shares one of his names with David Ray Griffin?

The demolition scenario is classic who-moved-the-stonery. The WTC towers didn’t fall down because they were badly built as a consequence of corruption, incompetence, regulatory evasions by the Port Authority, and because they were struck by huge planes loaded with jet fuel. No, they fell because Dick Cheney’s agents methodically planted demolition charges in the preceding days. It was a conspiracy of thousands, all of whom –- party to mass murder –- have held their tongues ever since. The “conspiracy” is always open-ended as to the number of conspirators, widening steadily to include all the people involved in the execution and cover-up of the demolition of the Towers and the onsslaujght on the Pentagon, from the teams acquiring the explosives and themissile, inserting the explosives in the relevant floors of three vast buildings, (moving day after day among the unsuspecting office workers), then on 9/11 activating the detonators.

Subsequently the conspiracy includes the disposers of the steel and rubble, the waste recyclers in Staten Island and perhaps even the Chinese who took the salvaged incriminating metal for use in the Three Gorges dam, where it will submerged in water and concretye for ever. Tens of thousands of people, all silent as the tomb to this day.

Of course the buildings didn’t suddenly fall at a speed inexplicable in terms of physics unless caused by carefully pre-placed explosives, detonated by the ruthless Bush-Cheney operatives. High grade steel can bend disastrously under extreme heat. People inside who survived the collapse didn’t hear a series of explosions. As discussed in Wayne Barrett and Dan Collin’s excellent book Grand Illusion, about Rudy Giuliani and 9/11, helicopter pilots radioed warnings nine minutes before the final collapse that the South Tower might well go down and, repeatedly, as much as 25 minutes before the North Tower’s fall.

What Barrett and Collins brilliantly show are the actual corrupt conspiracies on Giuliani’s watch: the favoritism to Motorola which saddled the firemen with radios that didn’t work; the ability of the Port Authority to skimp on fire protection, the mayor’s catastrophic failure in the years before 9/11/2001 to organize an effective unified emergency command that would have meant that cops and firemen could have communicated; that many firemen wouldn’t have unnecessarily entered the Towers; that people in the Towers wouldn’t have been told by 911 emergency operators to stay in place; and that firemen could have heard the helicopter warnings and the final Mayday messages that prompted most of the NYPD men to flee the Towers.

That’s the real political world, in which Giuliani and others have never been held accountable. The nuts disdain the real world because, like much of the left and liberal sectors, they have promoted Bush, Cheney and the Neo-Cons to an elevated status as the Arch Demons of American history, instead of being just one more team running the American empire, a team of more than usual stupidity and incompetence (characteristics I personally favor in imperial leaders.) The Conspiracy Nuts have combined to produce a huge distraction, just as Danny Sheehan did with his Complaint, that mesmerized and distracted much of the Nicaraguan Solidarity Movement in the 1980s, and which finally collapsed in a Florida courtroom almost as quickly as the Towers.

* Footnote: I should add that one particular conspiracy nut, seeing that Roosevelt’s grandson Ford – a schoolteacher in Los Angeles – was for a while, some years ago, on the board of CounterPunch’s parent non-profit, the Institute for the Advancement of Journalistic Clarity – wrote an enormous onslaught on CounterPunch a while ago, “proving” to his own satisfaction that CounterPunch was a pawn of the Democratic Party, the CIA and kindred darker forces. I suppose the fact that CounterPunch attacked the Democratic Party and the CIA on a weekly basis was just one more example of our cunning in deflecting suspicion away from our true sponsors. The fact that from time to time that we also quite regularly attacked FDR – and posited his foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor – should again be taken as evidence of our cunning in deflecting suspicion away from Ford’s supervisory roile in our affairs. In fact we’d put Ford on the board in the hopes (vain, as they turned out to be) that he would persuade film stars to give CounterPunch money.

A much shorter, earlier version of the column ran in the print edition of The Nation that went to press last Thursday.

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#1. To: FormerLurker (#0)

Wow, Fred Reed, Justin Raimondo, and now Alex Cockburn.... Are these guys getting the same fax blasted talking points as Michelle Malkin et al.?????

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   0:19:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

The retards at LP are salivating over this as if it's some sort of "proof" that Arabs in caves planned and executed the coordinated attacks against the US on 9/11/2001.

Here's just a tidbit that displays the author's honesty and knowledge of what he's talking about..

According to the minutely prepared plans of the Strategic Air Command, an impending Soviet attack would have prompted the missile silos in North Dakota to open, and the ICBMs to arc towards Moscow and kindred targets. The tiny number of test launches actually attempted all failed, whereupon SAC gave up testing.

I guess he never read up on the subject before blabbing his mouth...

From Air Force Space Command

The Air Force successfully conducted the first test flight of the Peacekeeper June 17, 1983, from Vandenberg AFB, Calif. The missile traveled 4,190 miles before dropping six unarmed test reentry vehicles to planned target sites in the Kwajalein Missile Test Range in the Pacific Ocean.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2006-09-12   0:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#1)

Wow, Fred Reed, Justin Raimondo, and now Alex Cockburn

Justin's was a sort of diplomatic feeler I believe to see where his audience (read donators) stand. But this last week has been non-stop in the MSM about denigrating so-called conspiracy theories. Every paper from Seattle, Minneapolis, Phoenix , Kansas City, etc, etc, has run an article on it. Just do a new Google News search on "conspiracy theories". It's really remarkable to see how widespread this is.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   0:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#1)

Are these guys getting the same fax blasted talking points as Michelle Malkin et al.?????

Perhaps getting some "offers they can't refuse"?


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2006-09-12   0:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: FormerLurker (#0)

One characteristic of the nuts is that they have a devout, albeit preposterous belief in American efficiency, thus many of them start with the racist premise that “Arabs in caves” weren’t capable of the mission.

Of course Arabs in a cave couldn't have pulled off the events of 9/11.

But Israelis in high positions in our government backed by the elite of the Federal Reserve (mostly Jews), could have done the job easily. So, why did they make such an obvious mess of it? Maybe they are really idiots, who knows?

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-09-12   0:38:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: FormerLurker (#0)

But in my view, the Warren Commission, as confirmed in almost all essentials by the House Committee on Assassinations in the late 1970s, had it right and Oswald fired the fatal shots from the Schoolbook Depository.

John Connelly, the then gov of Texas, who was riding with the target, disagrees.

tom007  posted on  2006-09-12   0:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#0)

According to the minutely prepared plans of the Strategic Air Command, an impending Soviet attack would have prompted the missile silos in North Dakota to open, and the ICBMs to arc towards Moscow and kindred targets. The tiny number of test launches actually attempted all failed, whereupon SAC gave up testing.

Hmmm. Doesn't look like they failed to me..


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2006-09-12   0:39:27 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: tom007 (#6)

John Connelly, the then gov of Texas, who was riding with the target, disagrees.

That they were able to sell the "magic bullet" whopper to the sheeple probably gave them the idea they could get away with anything. They were right.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2006-09-12   0:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: FormerLurker (#4)

Are these guys getting the same fax blasted talking points as Michelle Malkin et al.?????

Perhaps getting some "offers they can't refuse"?

The other night on the phone, after a conversation wherein I failed to satisfy him that I believed wholeheartedly in the 'Bot narrative of 9/11, a neo-con who likes to advertise his connections to the GOP and its strategists, and whom I thought was my friend in spite of all our differences, ended the conversation by asking several times how my kids were, and asked me to say "hello" to them. If he's done that ever before, I can't remember it. Yes, it's getting scarey---just like they want it to be for everybody in this country, especially those who want to think on their own too much. : /

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   0:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#0)

Did the British and French forces in 1940 break and flee a Wehrmacht capable of only one lunge, because of rotten leadership, terrible planning, epic cowardice, or … CONSPIRACY?

How many of the those French and British Generals lost their jobs or worse because of their failure? How many of the "whistle blowers" were propelled to high ranking positions in the Free French and UK forces?

How many American officals and/or Military Officers lost their job, their pension, a week without pay, no company parking spot; how many suffered any kind of punishment for the biggest defense failure in US history?

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2006-09-12   0:42:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker (#8)

That they were able to sell the "magic bullet" whopper to the sheeple probably gave them the idea they could get away with anything. They were right.

So it sure seems. "Magic Bullet" Spector defends the Waco Killers.

tom007  posted on  2006-09-12   0:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: FormerLurker (#8)

That they were able to sell the "magic bullet" whopper to the sheeple probably gave them the idea they could get away with anything. They were right.

They knew they were able to get away with anything with mass media when they got people to believe we were being attacked by Martians with a radio broadcast.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-09-12   0:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: FormerLurker (#0)

People inside who survived the collapse didn’t hear a series of explosions

This is not correct.

tom007  posted on  2006-09-12   0:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: RickyJ (#5)

But Israelis in high positions in our government backed by the elite of the Federal Reserve (mostly Jews), could have done the job easily.

It's those that have setup Israel and the situation in the Middle East that pull the strings, not necessarily the people that live there or are Zionists. The bankers that control the Federal Reserve are obviously part of the equation, but are not necessarily the ones actually pulling the strings. The idea of an Illuminatii type of world conspiracy is probably a bit closer to the truth. Our politicians are just minor players, and are either bribed or blackmailed to do the bidding of those that really DO pull their strings.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2006-09-12   0:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tom007 (#13)

This is not correct.

Of course not, but that is what they are selling to the sheep.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2006-09-12   0:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: RickyJ (#12)

They knew they were able to get away with anything with mass media when they got people to believe we were being attacked by Martians with a radio broadcast.

True.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2006-09-12   0:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: FormerLurker (#0)

Did the April 24, 1980 effort to rescue the hostages in the US embassy in Teheran fail because a sandstorm disabled three of the eight helicopters...

How many helicopters in US service have experenced engine trouble due to sand intake (Answer: lots)

How many high rise buildings have collapsed in a perfect pancake fasion due to a fire in the upper 1/3 of the structure. (Answer: none)

Man, this logic is fun! My car didn't start this morning and my coffee is cold; therefore 19 arabs from the caves of Afghanistan pulled off the greatest terror attack in history.

My printer is out of color ink, that's why WTC7 came down! Faiure to print in color = failure of the structure to support itself. Call the papers! I've cracked the 9/11 mystery!

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2006-09-12   0:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#10)

How many American officals and/or Military Officers lost their job, their pension, a week without pay, no company parking spot; how many suffered any kind of punishment for the biggest defense failure in US history?

If anything, they were all promoted, after they had ordered their subordinates to back off active investigations that could have prevented the 9/11 attacks.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2006-09-12   0:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: FormerLurker (#15) (Edited)

The nuts simultaneously credit their targets – the Bush-Cheney “conspirators” -

Why, if you were really interested in the open truth, use the prejoritive adjective "nuts"? It tells one that already the author has made up his mind on the subject, conversation is ended. Only Alex knows the truth and the case is closed.

Alex was not there, as most of us were not either, so he is relying on the same information, more or less that we are. At any rate, there is alot of room for honest speculation as to what happened, just look at the "official" versions - they disagree im major ways depending on who is asked.

If one, I think, were really interested in the truth, you might refer to the other parties as "participants in the persuit of knolwedge", not as "nuts".

Alex slanders all who do not subscribe to his paticular conspircy theory as being "nuts". Kinda "nutty" if you ask me.

tom007  posted on  2006-09-12   1:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: tom007 (#19)

Alex slanders all who do not subscribe to his paticular conspircy theory as being "nuts". Kinda "nutty" if you ask me.

It seems to have been the modus operendi of ALL official cheerleaders since the day it happened. I guess calling someone a nut or a kook really convinces other people that the one doing the name calling must be an "authority" or something.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2006-09-12   1:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: tom007 (#19)

What gave it away for me was the tell tale signs of a massive coverup, with any questions concering the validity of the offical story being labeled as "kookery". People like BAC and his fellow shills solidified the notion, where it is obvious that they are working VERY hard to silence any non- conformal information or thoughts.

Of course, when one truly looks at all the various non-reported facts, and takes all of the logical inconsistencies with the offical story into consideration, one must wonder why the government is covering this up unless it were itself involved.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2006-09-12   1:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: FormerLurker (#0)

This left gatekeeper article is just a bunch of fluff. NORAD before 911, averaged 60-70 scrambles a year. While it wasn't routine, it wasn't rare.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2006-09-12   7:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#0)

This is a tad bigger than Guiliani and motorola radio corruption.

Of course the buildings didn’t suddenly fall at a speed inexplicable in terms of physics unless caused by carefully pre-placed explosives, detonated by the ruthless Bush-Cheney operatives. High grade steel can bend disastrously under extreme heat. People inside who survived the collapse didn’t hear a series of explosions.

The language of the shill.

angle  posted on  2006-09-12   7:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: FormerLurker (#0)

Was there a special on Blue Pills recently?

Lod  posted on  2006-09-12   8:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: FormerLurker (#2)

Maybe he saw planes hit the towers too?

Dempsy  posted on  2006-09-12   8:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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