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Title: Meet the Bolsheviks!
Source: Original Dissent
URL Source: http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6402
Published: Apr 04, 2003
Author: Unknown
Post Date: 2006-09-12 13:15:15 by bluegrass
Ping List: *New History*
Keywords: None
Views: 7415
Comments: 224

Meet the Jewish people who murdered over 20 million innocents in Russia from 1917-onward, long before Hitler came to power. Yes, Virginia, Hitler was largely responding to that murder event with his own Holocaust, the Jewish community]. And yes, Virginia, we know that your history teacher never mentioned the Bolshevik holocaust -- neither did ours.

The few non-Jewish officials in the list below are specifically noted as being not Jewish. [Note on name spellings: Russian names are spelled differently depending upon the source, e.g., Yoffe is also spelled Ioffe and sometimes Joffe; Grigory is sometimes Grigori or even Grigorii].

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1. Vladimir I. Lenin (1870-1924): first Premier of the USSR; Marxist theoretician; a lawyer; founder of the Bolsheviks (1903); supreme dictator of early Bolshevik regime; founder of the Comintern; author of the Marxist handbook "State and Revolution"; Lenin was one-quarter Jewish, and was married to a Jewess.

2. Joseph Stalin (1879-1953): an early Bolshevik; supreme dictator of Soviet Union from 1927-1953. After V. Lenin's death, and prior to 1927, the Bolshevik regime was run by a triumvirate composed of Zinoviev, Kamenev, and Stalin. Stalin was the editor of the Bolshevik newspaper, Pravda ("Truth"). Stalin, like Lenin, was married to a Jewess. Stalin was not a vigorous supporter of forcing Communism upon other countries -- unlike Trotsky -- a feature which likely prevented a Soviet assault upon various Western countries. [Not Jewish]

3. Leon Trotsky (aka Bronstein) (1879-1940): Trotsky was a Menshevik; was Commissar of Foreign Affairs; supreme commander of the Soviet Red Army; member of Politburo; he rebelled against Stalin and his supporters and was murdered by Stalin for that reason. Trotsky strongly advocated the idea of global -- not simply local -- Marxist revolution.

4. Lazar M. Kaganovich (1893-1991): a prime director of mass-murder for Stalin; held a series of vocations, including commissar of transport, heavy industry and the fuel industry; a Politburo member; he was Stalin's brother-in-law and also his chief advisor; many execution orders bore Kaganovich's signature [1], evidence that he had the power to order the deaths of civilians [2]. During the 1930s, he was in charge of the deportations of "enemies of the state" to Siberia; was nicknamed the "Wolf of the Kremlin" because of his penchant for violence. He was considered by many to be the most powerful and important man under Stalin. Died of old age in Moscow.

5. Grigory Zinoviev (aka Apfelbaum; aka Radomyslsky) (1883-1936): great pal of Lenin; member of the Central Committee; chairman of the Comintern; member of Politburo; executive of secret police; first president of the Third International; A. Lunacharsky called him "one of the principal counsellors of our Central Committee and (he) belongs unquestionably to the four or five men who constitute the political brain of the Party."

6. Grigori Y. Sokolnikov (1888-1939): a Bolshevik; friend of Trotsky; Commissar of Finance; a diplomat; member of the "Left Opposition"; Soviet ambassador to England; creator of the "chervonetz," the first stable Soviet currency; was part of "Russian" delegation that signed the Brest-Litovsk treaty in 1918; member of the Central Committee and Politburo.

7. Moisei Uritsky (1873-1918): Uritsky was a Menshevik; chief of the Petrograd Cheka, in which capacity he ordered many people who opposed Communism to be executed as "counter-revolutionaries"; Commissar for Internal Affairs in the Northern Region; the commissar of the Constituent Assembly; member of the Central Committee; a member of the "Revolutionary Military Center."

8. Felix Dzherzhinsky (1877-1926): a Pole; a high-strung fanatic; founder/director of the Cheka (All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage), which was later renamed the State Political Directorate (GPU), which later became the OGPU and then the NKVD (Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs); member, Central Committee; Commissar of Transport. [Not Jewish, but philosemitic].

9. Maxim Litvinov (aka Wallakh) (1876-1951): Soviet foreign minister/diplomat/ambassador; in 1933, he persuaded the United States to recognize the Communist Soviet government as "legit" -- thanks, in part, to America's president F. D. Roosevelt being part-Jewish; first chairman, State Committee on the Anthem (official musical anthems).

10. Lavrenti Beria (1899-1953): member of the Cheka; later became head of the Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD) in Georgia, then later the NKVD proper. Beria had large numbers of prisoners executed [3]; was involved in the Atomic Bomb project in the USSR; [Rumored by some to be a crypto-Jew; other sources insist he was not Jewish, but philosemitic].

11. Yakov (Jacob) Sverdlov (aka Solomon) (1885-1919): member, "Revolutionary Military Center"; member, Central Committee; close buddy of Lenin; aided Lenin with Lenin's political theories; Sverdlov ordered the massacre of the Czar's family in 1918. Sverdlov succeeded Kamenev and became the second Jewish president of the so-called "Soviet Republic."

12. Sergei M. Kirov (1886-1934); early Bolshevik; member of the Politburo; Secretary of the Central Committee; Communist Party boss in Leningrad. Stalin used Kirov’s murder in 1934 to justify the party purges and treason trials of the late 1930s. [Apparently not Jewish].

13. Nikolai V. Krylenko (1885-1938): an early Bolshevik; member of editorial board of Pravda; member of the executive committee of the Petrograd Soviet; famous chess player; member of the Communist Party Central Committee; a military commissar; as President of the Supreme Tribunal he prosecuted most political trials in the 1920s; in 1931, Stalin appointed Krylenko Commissar of Justice; he was involved in the convictions of many Communist Party members during the Great Purges. [Not Jewish]

14. Karl Radek (aka Sobelsohn) (1885-1939); early revolutionary; old confidante of Lenin; member of the Central Committee; an "international" Communist activist; a key player in the creation of the Comintern; a writer for the Soviet government newspaper Izvestia; participated in the Brest-Litovsk peace negotiations with Germany; he also was active in Germany, working with Jewish-German Communist Rosa Luxemburg.

15. Viacheslav I. Molotov (1890-1986): early Bolshevik; helped found Pravda newspaper; head of the Ukrainian Communist Party; member of the Politburo; Commissar for Foreign Affairs; headed a Politburo commission to "eliminate the kulaks as a class." [Apparently not Jewish but philosemitic; his wife was Jewish, named Zhemchuzina].

16. Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko (1884-1939): a former Menshevik; Chief of Political Administration of the Red Army; an unofficial ambassador to Czechoslovakia and Poland; Commissar for Military Affairs in Petrograd; Commissar of War; led the Red Army invasion of the Ukraine; led the attack on the Winter Palace; editor of the Menshevik "Nashe Slovo" newspaper.

17. Yakov (Jacob) Yurovsky (y/b/d unknown): head of Ekaterinburg Cheka; "Commissar of Justice" for Ural Regional Soviet; the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murders of Czar Nicholas II and his family in 1918. The murder of mild-mannered Nicholas was carried out almost completely by Jews, including Goloshchekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Voikov, in addition to Yurovsky.

18. Grigory Sergo Ordzhonikidze (1886-1937); member of the Politburo; Commissar for Heavy Industry; helped solidify Bolshevik power in Armenia and Georgia; Chairman of the Caucasus Central Committee of the Communist Party; First Secretary of the Transcaucasian Communist Party Committee; Chairman of the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party; became Stalin's top economic official. [Apparently not Jewish].

19. Genrikh (Henry) Yagoda (1891-1938); a Polish Jew; former Cheka member; an officer in SMERSH, the Ninth Division of the OGPU, its liquidation arm; People's Commissar of Internal Affairs; chief of the NKVD; also in charge of gulag forced-labor camps. Developing fast-acting poisons was a Yagoda hobby; he created a laboratory for that purpose.

20. Lev Kamenev (aka Rosenfeld) (1883-1936); member of the Central Committee; Chairman of the Moscow Soviet; member of Politburo; author of Marxist handbook "The Dictatorship of the Proletariat," 1920; was elected first President of new Bolshevik government, aka "Soviet Republic" [Lenin was Premier]; was married to Trotsky's sister.

21. Anatoly V. Lunacharsky (1875-1933); an early Marxist; Commissar for Education and Enlightenment; League of Nations ambassador; key player in persuading Russian workers to support the Bolshevik Revolution; was an author - wrote the "Revolutionary Silhouettes" of top Bolshevik pals; [Apparently not Jewish].

22. Fedor (Theodore) Dan (1871-1947): was a Menshevik; was a member of the editorial board of the Menshevik journal "Iskra"; was author of the book "The Origins of Bolshevism" (1943), where he claimed that Bolshevism had been chosen by history to be "the carrier of socialism"; but he was actually an opponent of most Bolshevik ideas; he was sent into exile in 1921 after being arrested; he was married to Menshevik leader Julius Martov's sister.

23. Nikolai Bukharin (1888-1938): Lenin's chief Marxist theorist; general secretary/chairman of the Comintern; member of the Politburo; member, Central Committee; he was editor of Pravda and also Izvestia, a political newspaper; led, with Rykov, the "Right Opposition" to defend the NEP [New Economic Policy]; [Apparently not Jewish].

24. Nikolai Yezhov (1895-1939): early Bolshevik; served in various capacities in the Cheka, GPU, and OGPU; was military commissar in various Red Army units; was G. Yagoda's deputy; People's Commissar of Internal Affairs; head of NKVD; was deputy People's Commissar of Agriculture for the USSR.

25. Mikhail I. Kalinin (1875-1946); early Bolshevik; cofounder of the newspaper Pravda; nominal, "puppet" president of Soviet Union until 1946; replaced Sverdlov as Chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of the Communist Party; Chairman of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR.

26. Isaac Steinberg (y/b/d unknown); Commissar of Justice. Later brought Jewish-flavored radicalism to Australia.

27. Alexei Rykov (1881-1938); Premier of Soviet Union until 1930; member of Lenin's Politburo; Commissar of the Interior; Chairman of the Supreme Council of National Economy; Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars; led the "Right Opposition" with Bukharin to defend the NEP [New Economic Policy].

28. Matvei D. Berman (y/b/d unknown): chief of gulag system and Deputy Commissar of the NKVD; brother of Boris.

29. Naftaly Frenkel (y/b/d unknown): a director of the gulag prison camp system; Turkish-born; was works chief/chief overseer of the one-hundred-and-forty-mile-long Belomor (Baltic-White Sea) canal project in Russia, a canal linking the White Sea and the Baltic, built from 1931–34; it was created entirely with slave labor; 60,000 workers died building the canal, the project having a mortality rate of roughly 10%.

30. Adolph Yoffe (aka Ioffe) (1883-1927): Commissar of Foreign Affairs; ex-Menshevik; close friend of Trotsky's; helped publish the Pravda newspaper; delegate at the Brest-Litovsk peace negotiations; member of the State General Planning Commission; was later Soviet ambassador to China, Japan and Austria.

31. Lev Inzhir (y/b/d/ unknown): chief accountant for the gulag prison system.

32. Boris Berman ( -1938): served as the Byelorussian NKVD's Commissar until 1938; brother of Matvei.

33. K. V. Pauker (y/b/d unknown): head of the Operations Department of the NKVD.

34. Aleksandr Orlov (aka L. Feldbin) (1898-1970): member of the Cheka; advisor to Spanish Communists in Spain; commander, Soviet Red Army; later worked at the Law School of the University of Michigan in America (!).

35. Ilya Ehrenburg (1891-1967): Soviet propaganda minister during WWII; delegate for Moscow in the Supreme Soviet; Communist writer; organizing member of JAC [Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee]; worked for Izvestia newspaper; performed research regarding Spain for the NKVD; author of book "The Ninth Wave," and winner of two Stalin Prizes.


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Mass Grave of Massacred Poles Found in Ukraine: "Unofficial estimates put the number of bodies in the grave at 200,000 to 300,000. "
That would be the work of Kaganovich. This story has been hidden from three generations of Americans. All the while, those three generations have been endlessly harangued with Yiddish fairy tales about a fictional "Holocaust", complete with bone-crushing machines and huge underground gas chambers.

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#1. To: bluegrass (#0)

All the while, those three generations have been endlessly harangued with Yiddish fairy tales about a fictional "Holocaust", complete with bone-crushing machines and huge underground gas chambers.

BG, my grandfather was in the European theatre. He physically observed these "fictional" bone crushing machines, gas chambers, mass graves, pyramids of shoes and starved, living corpses by the hundreds.

It wasn't any fucking Yiddish Fairy tale.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   13:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lady X, noone 222, Brian S, christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Horse, Brian S, Jethro Tull, Tauzero, Red Jones, mugwort, Peetie Wheatstraw, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, tom007, aristeides, Eoghan, Cynicom, loner (#0)

33. K. V. Pauker (y/b/d unknown): head of the Operations Department of the NKVD.

Does anyone know if he was related to Ana Pauker, the Jewish dictator of Romania?

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   13:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: bluedogtxn (#1)

He physically observed these "fictional" bone crushing machines

LOL! You won't find a single "Holocaust" historian that will back this story anymore. Yad Vashem doesn't even push the soap stories.

Truth: Jews were targeted by the Nazi state just as Muslims/Arabs are being targted by the Israeli/American state. What killed the Jews in the camps was the same thing that killed the Russians, Poles and whoever else landed in them: overwork, disease, old age, stress, etc.

There's no proof for gas chambers. God is the only thing I believe in on faith.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   13:27:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: bluedogtxn (#1)

I'll make one caveat: The stories of the pit shootings of Jews by the Nazis on the Eastern Front were largely true. They were being shot for being partisans, not for being Jews. Every invading army has always done the same.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   13:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: bluegrass (#3)

There's no proof for gas chambers. God is the only thing I believe in on faith.

My grandfather was there and saw them, both gas chambers and ovens, as well as mass-graves. He was part of the occupation that made the Germans march past them.

The documentary evidence, photographs and millions of pages of documents; the Nuremburg trials, the volumes upon volumes of photographs and evidence you can find in any public library; the attestations of our own soldiers...

Shit. You are going to believe what you want to believe, that's obvious. Don't let anything like evidence get in your way. Anyone who has read my posts knows I'm no apologist for Israel, but denying that the holocaust even occurred? You make yourself ridiculous for no good reason.

Yiddish fairy tales... What a sick joke.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   13:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bluedogtxn (#1)

There was a Jewish Holocaust, although the numbers have been reduced at Auschwitz to account for the gypsies, and other non-Jews.

What is important to note though, is that their's is not the only genocide that occured in the last century. And the other genocides have been overlooked.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-12   13:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: bluedogtxn (#5) (Edited)

Raul HIlberg, one of the most eminent of the Holocaust historians, couldn't provide proof of gas chambers under cross-examination at Ernst Zundel's trial in 1985. Eyewitnesses also fell apart under cross-examination. If Hilberg couldn't provide proof, actual evidence, of gas chambers, you'll be a hero to exterminationists the world over if you can.

the Nuremburg trials

They were a farce and no different from Stalin's sham trials in the 1930's. The very idea for the Nuremberg kangaroo court was provided by two Jewish officers in the American army, Lieutenant Colonel Murray Bernays and Colonel David "Mickey" Marcus. Bernays was married into the Freud family.

Go look for actual forensic evidence of gas chambers. You won't find any. What you will find is that the only qualified chemist to ever do forensic analysis at Auschwitz, Germar Rudolph, is now sitting in a German jail for publishing findings that run counter to the official fairy tales. He was deported from America to Germany by Homeland Security after the Israeli Jew Michael Chertoff ascended to his kommisariate.

I believe what I believe based on physical evidence, not on sob stories and emotional manipulation.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   13:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: bluegrass (#0)

8. Felix Dzherzhinsky (1877-1926): a Pole; a high-strung fanatic; founder/director of the Cheka (All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage), which was later renamed the State Political Directorate (GPU), which later became the OGPU and then the NKVD (Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs); member, Central Committee; Commissar of Transport. [Not Jewish, but philosemitic].

This is the guy who looks a lot like Chertoff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Dzerzhinsky

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-12   13:53:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: bluegrass (#0)

Joe Stalin was of Jewish descent. His real name meant son of a Jew. His father was a cobbler in Kiev. And Hitler was of Jewish descent as well. His father was named Alois Heidler at birth, but Hitler's maternal grandfather was named Frankenberger. Hitler's grandmother was a maid. She sued and won child support from her employer.

The CIA released OSS aerial photos of Auschwitz. Not one of the photos taken on five different days showed smoke coming out of the crematoria. And none showed the open pits with thousands of people being burned daily as claimed in the book Doctor At Auschwitz. The reason for the crematoria was to prevent the spread of disease mostly dysentary which does make people lose weight.

An inmate at Dachau calculated that the average prisoner's diet was 1,830 calories. I knew a Jewish man who worked as a chemist in Austria. The first thing he did was to check his ration book against his co-workers' books. They were identical. Then he calculated his daily caloric intake. It was 1,940 calories. The Germans probably intended to give the workers inside the camps the same caloric intake as those on the outside, but the camps on the inside were run by communists and zionists who stole over 100 calories a day from the regular prisoners. When the allies went into Dachau, they found 600 fat little communists. They found no gas chambers. They were built after the war.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2006-09-12   13:57:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin (#8)

IMO, Chertoff was picked because he looks like what the 'Leets think us commoners view the devil as (even his name means 'of the devils).

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: bluedogtxn (#1)

BG, my grandfather was in the European theatre. He physically observed these "fictional" bone crushing machines, gas chambers, mass graves, pyramids of shoes and starved, living corpses by the hundreds.

It wasn't any fucking Yiddish Fairy tale.

Let's take one of these things listed at random and discuss it. How about the "pyramids of shoes?"

First of all, what on earth do you think would be the reason for there to be such a pile of shoes in the first place?

Remember now, Germnay was at war and the camps were labor camps. Would it not seem logical that old shoes were to be stripped and reworked with the usable portions of leather? Especially since shoe leather was at a premium and was quite scarce considering its use for the military.

How many others of those subjects you have listed are similarly misinterpreted? I would say it is likely all of them would be so classified.

You cannot imagine the horror of being a camp commander and being unable to obtain enough food for the camp staff, let alone the inmates. But that is the situation those commanders found themselves in as they sent out crews to forage for food every day toward the end of the war.

It takes some deep thought to see the lies which have been perpetrated about all of this. The same conditions existed at POW camps during the War Between the States here in the U.S. To think anything else is foolish and exhibits extreme ignorance and a willingness to simply swallow what has been spoon fed to us.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   14:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin (#6)

There was a Jewish Holocaust, although the numbers have been reduced at Auschwitz to account for the gypsies, and other non-Jews.

No doubt. There was an Armenian genocide, the Jews, the Poles, the pogroms and the putches and the purges of the Soviet Union, the Ugandans, the Laotians, the Chinese, hell... Just about every place in the world has been within a day's drive of a good holocaust during the twentieth century (well, not the US, but ours is coming)...

My beef was with denying that it even happened or supposing the Germans to have been maligned with some sort of false accusation. IG Farben ain't denying it happened, and it means money out of their pocket.

If the Germans themselves don't deny it occurred, it fucking occurred.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   14:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Horse (#9)

The gas chamber myths have served a number of purposes. For one, they completely overshadowed the earlier genocides by Jewish Communists. For another, they've provided endless fodder for weepy propaganda in America. It's propaganda that every true sucker, me included, bought into. From those myths comes the basis of Zionist power in America.

I'm 45 years old. For the first 41 years of my life, I bought the bunk hook, line and sinker. These past four years have been my best ones on an intellectual level because I'm no longer chained down by old brainwashing. "The Holocaust" is a prison of the mind.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: bluedogtxn (#12)

My beef was with denying that it even happened

In my first post to you I stated: "Jews were targeted by the Nazi state".

What am I denying?

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: bluedogtxn (#12)

You see bluedog, it was a mere 4 million and it was in forced labor camps, so that makes it all better. See it's not a heinous atrocity if you are worked and starved to death. And any exaggeration makes the story wholly suspect. The Nazis were trying really, really hard to get food for the inmates and stem the spread of disease... Scouts' honor. I mean the fact that people were placed in slave labor camps in the first place can be overlooked - the Germans were at war donchaknow.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   14:11:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BTP Holdings (#11)

Let's take one of these things listed at random and discuss it. How about the "pyramids of shoes?"

First of all, what on earth do you think would be the reason for there to be such a pile of shoes in the first place?

Ermmm... Because you don't need shoes in either a shower or a crematoria, and the buckles don't burn, and you don't turn around and sell hundreds of thousands of women's and children's shoes when you're running a supposedly secret extermination camp.

Besides, my grandfather walked through the camps as an allied soldier, and he talked to me about it.

Plus, the Germans don't deny it happened; didn't deny it happened at the time and they fucking DID it. If those accused of a monstrous, heinous crime don't actually deny their participation, when if it didn't happen, the fact of its not happening would be a perfect defense, you may logically conclude that it fucking happened.

Jeeze. You guys are nuts.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   14:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: bluegrass (#14)

"The gas chamber myths..."

"What am I denying?"

The systematic murder of about thirteen million people.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   14:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: bluedogtxn (#5)

The documentary evidence, photographs and millions of pages of documents; the Nuremburg trials, the volumes upon volumes of photographs and evidence you can find in any public library; the attestations of our own soldiers...

And whom should we rely on to interpret that evidence?

If a soldier had no idea the reason for that pile of bodies or the starved skeletal-looking survivors in a camp, would it be prudent to believe what one was TOLD? Or would it be better to reserve judgment?

I take it you have not considered the rabid Germanophobia and other such propaganda the troops and even the people on the homefront were subjected to on a daily basis.

As a simple comparison, just look at the parallels in the current Islamophobia propagana which are broadcast relentlessly in the Jewsmedia. Only the names and faces have changed.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   14:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: SmokinOPs (#15)

it was a mere 4 million and it was in forced labor camps

A million or less Jews died in the "Holocaust". One person dying under an oppressive regime is too much. What happened to the Jewish (and all) peasants in Europe was nightmare enough without having to invent fairy tales about it.

Here's an entertaining and comedic fairy tale on the topic:

A YEAR IN TREBLINKA by Yankel Wiernik, 1945

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: BTP Holdings (#18)

"...which are broadcast relentlessly in the Jewsmedia."

Sheesh. I get where you're coming from now.

I just thought it was out of fashion among rational folks.

Nevermind.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   14:17:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: bluegrass (#19)

A million or less Jews died in the "Holocaust".

Uh-huh, that's why Poland is teeming with Jews today. All 10,000 of them.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   14:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: bluegrass (#19)

STOP!!!!!!!!

You're under arrest for Zundel'ing in the 1st degree.

Assume the position.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-12   14:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: bluedogtxn (#16)

Ermmm... Because you don't need shoes in either a shower or a crematoria, and the buckles don't burn, and you don't turn around and sell hundreds of thousands of women's and children's shoes when you're running a supposedly secret extermination camp.

Don't be absurd. You were not there and neither was I. And, bless your grandfather, but what he saw was subjected to many outside influences as my previous post indicates. What was related to you is all of an anecdotal nature. He saw what he saw, but was his interpretation correct? I highly doubt it under the circumstances.

That's a nice bit of doubletalk.

Not hardly.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   14:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: bluegrass (#19)

"Holocaust"

Here's an entertaining and comedic fairy tale on the topic:

Oh yeah, that was fucking hilarious. Good grief.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   14:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: bluedogtxn (#17) (Edited)

The only thing that I'm denying is the ability of Jewish groups and their helpers to tell me how and what to think of history as I find it.

Looking at history, when people are going to jail for questioning some aspect of theology or history, the topic in question was always BS. People are going to jail for questioning numbers and methods of the "Holocaust". That alone should be a red flag.

I still await some type of proof from you regarding mass murder by gas chamber.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: bluedogtxn (#20)

Sheesh. I get where you're coming from now.

I just thought it was out of fashion among rational folks.

Nevermind.

So, you deny the influence of the contolled media?

Don't waste my time.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   14:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SmokinOPs (#21)

Poland

Do you know what atrocities Jews committed in Poland after WWII? That's why Jews are freaked about going there.

Look up Solomon Morel.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: bluegrass, bluedogtxn (#25)

I still await some type of proof from you regarding mass murder by gas chamber.

He can't do it. The technology was not there, then or now, to do the deed.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   14:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: bluegrass (#27)

Look up Solomon Morel

I know of Solomon Morel. Those are things he and his accomplices did. You seem to have some perverted sense of collective guilt.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   14:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: SmokinOPs (#15)

You see bluedog, it was a mere 4 million and it was in forced labor camps, so that makes it all better. See it's not a heinous atrocity if you are worked and starved to death. And any exaggeration makes the story wholly suspect. The Nazis were trying really, really hard to get food for the inmates and stem the spread of disease... Scouts' honor. I mean the fact that people were placed in slave labor camps in the first place can be overlooked - the Germans were at war donchaknow.

I guess I figured people were smarter than this...

I understand the attitude of "question everything". But the notion that the devastated Jews of Europe or the US or wherever in the midst of the chaos of WWII's aftermath managed to plant all the physical evidence, build gas chambers and "fool" the allies into believing in a holocaust that "didn't really happen" is just pure-dee silliness.

For no damn reason we watched hundreds of thousands of Tutsi and Hutus kill each other on video. We've watched archaelogists dig up thousands of murder victims in the Killing Fields of Cambodia. In our lifetimes we've seen ethnic cleansing in East Europe and we're sitting on our hands and watching it happen on the Horn of Africa.

This systematic murder really does happen; and the best way to judge if it really happened is to ask the victims of it; ask the killers themselves and examine the evidence. All that was done post WWII, and a lot of American didn't want to believe what the supposedly civilized Germans had done, but they had fucking done it, the physical evidence was there, and the Germans themselves didn't deny it.

In Turkey the Turks will tell you there never were any Armenians in Istanbul and Ismir. They are fucking lying because they killed most of the Armenians there, and the evidence has come in on it. We don't believe the Turks when they deny their crime, but we believe the Germans are lying when they confess to theirs?

Ridiculous. Objecting to the Jews' eternal claim of exceptional victimhood is one thing, and quite legitimate. That I actually agree with. But to deny the truth because you find it inconvenient or don't like Jews is another thing entirely.

What it is is bullshit.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   14:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: bluegrass (#2)

Does anyone know if he was related to Ana Pauker, the Jewish dictator of Romania?

Wiki says her maiden name was something else. She marred Marcel Pauker.

During his life, Pauker took a series of pseudonyms, the ones used most being: Burghezul, Herman Gugenheim, Paul Lampart, Luximin, Puiu, Priu, Semionovici Marin, Stepan, and Paul Weiss.

Born to a Secular Jewish family, Marcel Pauker was a polyglot, and noted speaker of Esperanto. He briefly studied engineering in Zürich, before enlisting as an artillery cadet and becoming a Second Lieutenant in 1916 (during World War I). In 1919-1921, he lived in Switzerland for a second time, receiving his diploma in engineering.

Marcel Pauker got involved in a political fight with Vitali Holostenco, reflecting the struggle between the Bucharest section and that of the Ukrainian SSR that had taken hold of the Party's wing inside the Soviet Union around the proceedings of the 4th Congress in Kharkiv. Again in the Soviet Union, Pauker was sanctioned by the Comintern for his multiple independent choices. Forbidden from contributing to political activities, he was sent to assist as an engineer in the industrial expansion of Magnitogorsk (in western Siberia), a job he undertook between 1930 and 1932. At the same time, Joseph Stalin, whose priority at the time was showing the facade of "unity" within his subject Parties, had Holostenco removed from his position.

In 1935 Pauker was appointed a member of the Secretariat of the Romanian Communist Party. He spent time in Prague until 1937, when he returned to Soviet territory. He fell victim to the Great Purge: arrested by the NKVD on March 21, 1937 and held in the infamous Taganka Prison, Marcel Pauker was first interrogated over a year later, being presented with the ludicrous charge of espionage in favor of Romania. Records show that he finally admitted to the charge (most likely after being subjected to torture). Consequently, he was put on trial, sentenced to death and executed by shooting.

Marcel Pauker was rehabilitated by Soviet authorities in 1957 (as part of the De-Stalinization process under Nikita Khrushchev). Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej isolation and rejection of newer Soviet policies prevented this and other such cases from being mirrored in Communist Romania. While Gheorghiu-Dej was exercising a looser control of the society, he was not ready to question most of the Stalinist measures, as these had served to enforce his own rule during the previous decade.

The case was reconsidered under Nicolae Ceau_escu's further distancing measures. Pauker's name was cleared, but mention of his activities and details of his life were kept secret. Although Ceau_escu was willing to challenge more "mistakes of the past", he could not afford to forget the fact that his own regime was largely based on that of Gheorghiu-Dej.

Largely thanks to circumstances, Ana Pauker was able to survive her husband's downfall, and she even reached the peak of her political career in the following years.

They had three children together:

* Tanio (1921-1922) * Vlad (b. 1926) * Tatiana (b. 1928)

In 1921 Marcel also fathered a son named Yakov, from his relationship with fellow militant Roza Elbert.

He also had lengthy affairs with Elena Filipovici and Vanda Nicolski.

K.V. Pauker is mentioned thrice in Stalin's Loyal Executioner: People's Commissar Nikolai Ezhov, index spotted at http://hoover.org. Also in CofC.

Hard to say.

It's a small world though. Anna Pauker's nephew Jean Colin (1921-1991) is Romania 's most famous science fiction writer.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   14:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: SmokinOPs (#24)

Oh yeah, that was fucking hilarious. Good grief.

What you say you been smokin?

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   14:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: SmokinOPs (#24)

that was fucking hilarious.

It is. The physical impossibilities contained in the below "eyewitness" account are straight out of the comic books or science fiction:


This is the way in which he got the inferno started. He put a machine for exhuming the corpses into operation, an excavator which could dig up 3,000 corpses at one time. A fire grate made of railroad tracks was placed on concrete foundations 100 to 150 meters in length. The workers piled the corpses on the grate and set them on fire.

I am no longer a young man and have seen a great deal in my lifetime, but not even Lucifer could possibly have created a hell worse than this. Can you picture a grate of this length piled high with 3,000 corpses of people who had been alive only a short time before? As you look at their faces it seems as if at any moment these bodies might awaken from their deep sleep. But at a given signal a giant torch is lit and it burns with a huge flame. If you stood close enough, you could well imagine hearing moans from the lips of the sleeping bodies, children sitting up and crying for their mothers. You are overwhelmed by horror and pain, but you stand there just the same without saying anything. The gangsters are standing near the ashes, shaking with satanic laughter. Their faces radiate a truly satanic satisfaction. They toasted the scene with brandy and with the choicest liqueurs, ate, caroused and had a great time warming themselves by the fire.

A YEAR IN TREBLINKA


"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SmokinOPs, bluedogtxn (#29)

some perverted sense of collective guilt.

Funny you should mention that. ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   14:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: SmokinOPs (#29)

Those are things he and his accomplices did. You seem to have some perverted sense of collective guilt.

He's still alive and in Israel. Israel won't extradite him. They say the statute of limitations has expired. But they'll still go after an old man today who was a corporal in the German army.

Some collectives are more equal than others.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: bluegrass, SmokinOPs, bluedogtxn (#33)

A fire grate made of railroad tracks was placed on concrete foundations 100 to 150 meters in length. The workers piled the corpses on the grate and set them on fire.

This sounds more like the funeral pyres at Dresden after the REAL holocaust there in 1945.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   14:33:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: bluegrass, everyone here (#35)

I had not seen this one -

Lod  posted on  2006-09-12   14:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: bluedogtxn (#30)

But to deny the truth because you find it inconvenient or don't like Jews is another thing entirely.

It's not truth until it's proven. You have yet to provide proof of gas chambers used for mass extermination.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: bluegrass (#25) (Edited)

I still await some type of proof from you regarding mass murder by gas chamber

What do you friggin' want?

I deal in evidence every day. Confession is evidence, and the Germans confessed to using the Gas chambers; the German companies who built them provided copies of the contracts and paid damages.

Eyewitness testimony is evidence. The US soldiers who entered the camps said that they had gas chambers and ovens in them. Our US Army brass gave testimony at Nuremburg as to what they found.

Physical evidence is evidence. There are existing gas chambers you can go and see in Germany itself.

Lack of denial is evidence of guilt. The Germans who participated in the gas chambers and ovens did not deny that they had done so.

If I were a prosecutor there is not a jury in the world that would not convict based on this evidence, unless you were on it, and then it would hang 11 to 1.

There is obviously nothing anyone can say or show you that will illumine you to this fact. You are a zealot on the topic.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   14:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: SmokinOPs (#24)

Don't miss the point that there were other genocides that no one ever studies, makes movies about or even teaches in school.

No one here is denying the Jewish holocaust. Personally, I don't argue over how many died in the Concentration Camps. My problem is that any other genocide takes the backseat to this one. And in some cases, their history has been almost completely erased, as in the case of the Poles in Katyn forest, and now the Ukraine, as in the case of millions of Christian Russians and Prussians by the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution, as in the case of the tens of millions of Russians by Stalin after the Revolution right through to WWII, as in the case of the tens of millions of Chinese by Mao, etc...

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-12   14:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: bluegrass (#35)

Some collectives are more equal than others.

Oh my, you found a double standard in this world. Stop the presses, bluegrass just found out the world ain't fair and some tribes are more cohesive than others. Hope it didn't shatter your illusions.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   14:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Tauzero (#31)

Thanks for the info. I have suspicions that some or many of the leading Neocons are related to or descended from these bastards. The name changing penchant makes it hard to research as it's intended to.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:40:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: robin (#40)

Don't miss the point that there were other genocides that no one ever studies, makes movies about or even teaches in school.

What point is that? That other tribes don't have an average IQ one standard deviation above the rest of the world that gives them an articulateness and allows them to get powerful positions to where their story is heard?

Jews are smarter. Smarter people get farther in life. People farther in life have more attention paid to them. Get used to it.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   14:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: bluegrass (#0)

Well, we've had our gentlemanly disagreements on this before. Not everyone in the Bolshevik regime was Jewish---I'm still not convinced that either Krupskaya or Alliluyeva (or Svanidze) was Jewish---but more than enough were, way out of proportion to their percentage in the general Russian population.

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   14:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: bluedogtxn (#39)

There are existing gas chambers you can go and see in Germany itself.

There were no gas chambers in Germany. That propaganda was refuted in the 1960's and 1970's and all the gas chambers landed in Poland where they were safe in the arms of the Jewish Communists.

Wiesenthal Re-Confirms: 'No Extermination Camps on German Soil'

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#44)

...was Jewish---but more than enough were, way out of proportion to their percentage in the general Russian population.

And for the exact reason I give in post #43. People need to stop acting like it's such a surprise that Jews rise to the top of political systems and power in general. It's as natural as the tides. As they intermarry and bring their cohesiveness and intellect more in line with the general population, the noticeable influence will subside. In fact if it weren't for the Nazis, this would have been mostly attained by now.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   14:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: SmokinOPs (#41)

Oh my, you found a double standard in this world.

The "holocaust" is one long double-standard.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#44)

Not everyone in the Bolshevik regime was Jewish---I'm still not convinced that either Krupskaya or Alliluyeva (or Svanidze) was Jewish---but more than enough were, way out of proportion to their percentage in the general Russian population.

We're in gentlemanly agreement on this.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: SmokinOPs (#43)

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: bluedogtxn (#39)

Lack of denial is evidence of guilt.

Good thing denial is illegal in many places.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   14:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: SmokinOPs (#43)

Jews are smarter.

If Jews are smarter, why do they keep getting kicked out of every place they've ever been?

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: SmokinOPs (#46)

People need to stop acting like it's such a surprise that Jews rise to the top of political systems and power in general.

Bit of a catch-22 don't you think?

Their eminence is noted, and then the fact of that notice is jumped upon.

Perhaps it would help if other people stopped smelling Zyklon B whenever the fact of eminence is noted.

It's as natural as the tides.

Yes indeed -- just like the periodic expulsions of Jews from various European countries.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   14:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Tauzero, bluedogtxn (#50)

Lack of denial is evidence of guilt.

I missed this one. That means Jesus was guilty of what he was charged with.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: SmokinOPs (#43)

What point is that? That other tribes don't have an average IQ one standard deviation above the rest of the world that gives them an articulateness and allows them to get powerful positions to where their story is heard?

Jews are smarter. Smarter people get farther in life. People farther in life have more attention paid to them. Get used to it.

Try again.

When the Jews arrived on Ellis Island they were considered subnormal IQ.

Any culture that puts money and position above anything else and has help from a network will get ahead in a country that embraces immigrants and has a rule of law that protects all.

The same thing is happening with the asians.

We are fools to allow other cultures to erase our own, but that is what is happening.

Nepotism among these ethno-centric groups is sky-high. They help each other and screw the rest. Wow, America is a paradise for such people.

And, in many cases they have help from back home to get started here. Failing that they burn down their business and collect the insurance $$. That's is a well-documented scam among many recent immigrants, especially asians.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-12   14:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: bluedogtxn (#16)

I have a recording of Hitler's address to the Alte Kämpfer veterans of the Beer Hall Putsch delivered in Munich in November 1942, days before the Sixth Army was cut off in Stalingrad.

It's clear from cryptic remarks Hitler made in the speech, in a voice dripping with malice, that Jews were meeting some unnamed awful fate at the time.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-12   15:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: bluegrass (#51)

If Jews are smarter, why do they keep getting kicked out of every place they've ever been?

Same reason small-town shopkeeps don't want big-box retailers moving in: because they can't or don't want to compete.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: SmokinOPs (#43)

Jews are smarter.

Smarter, or more devious and cunning?

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   15:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: robin (#54)

When the Jews arrived on Ellis Island they were considered subnormal IQ.

I guess they were wrong, although you'll dismiss all evidence contrary I'm sure.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: BTP Holdings (#57)

Smarter, or more devious and cunning?

One allows for the others.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: bluegrass (#51)

If Jews are smarter, why do they keep getting kicked out of every place they've ever been?

No Jew will forthrightly answer that question.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   15:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: SmokinOPs (#46)

And for the exact reason I give in post #43. People need to stop acting like it's such a surprise that Jews rise to the top of political systems and power in general. It's as natural as the tides. As they intermarry and bring their cohesiveness and intellect more in line with the general population, the noticeable influence will subside. In fact if it weren't for the Nazis, this would have been mostly attained by now.

I don't have a argument with you about Jewish capability. What bothers me about the disproportionate numbers of Jews in the Bolshevik government is their abandonment of fundamental traditional morality---"bourgeois" morality, as they called it. Remember what Hillel said: "In a place where there are no men, strive to be a man."

You might as well make the same extenuating remarks about the Germans: "They're about the most technically advanced and militarily capable people in the world---of course they're gonna kill tens of millions of people when they go to war."

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   15:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: bluegrass (#53)

That means Jesus was guilty of what he was charged with.

There goes the 5th amendment.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   15:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: robin (#54)

We are fools to allow other cultures to erase our own

And what culture would that be: McDonald's, Wal-mart, Desperate Housewives on the tube for you?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#61)

What bothers me about the disproportionate numbers of Jews in the Bolshevik government is their abandonment of fundamental traditional morality

And this is different from other totalitarian regimes abandonment of morality in what way?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: robin (#54)

The same thing is happening with the asians.

The Jews (semites) came out of Asia and have always hated the white man.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   15:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Tauzero (#62)

There goes the 5th amendment.

The court of history has neither a Fifth Amendment nor a presumption of innocence.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-12   15:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: SmokinOPs (#59)

One allows for the others.

So this means they are naturally more treacherous? Thought so. ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   15:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#61)

The Jews in Russia overreacted to Tsarist persecution. The Germans overreacted to defeat in World War One and the Great Depression.

Both were wrong.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-12   15:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: SmokinOPs (#64)

And this is different from other totalitarian regimes abandonment of morality in what way?

Not different. Not worse. Not better. Bad. That's all.

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   15:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Tauzero, bluegrass (#62)

That means Jesus was guilty of what he was charged with.

There goes the 5th amendment.

I guess that means we are all coke addicts, even if there is no proof of surgery for a deviated septum. Oh, wait, Clintoon had one of those. LOL

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   15:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: aristeides (#68)

The Jews in Russia overreacted to Tsarist persecution. The Germans overreacted to defeat in World War One and the Great Depression.

Both were wrong.

You almost always go wrong when you overreact. Take it from one who knows... ;)

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   15:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: BTP Holdings (#67)

So this means they are naturally more treacherous?

No more so than any other group that has higher capabilities than the surrounding population. Does this mean the British are naturally more treacherous because they were able to subdue primitive African tribes? Or were European settlers in America more naturally treacherous because they were able to conquer disparate factions of Indians?

You act as if you've stumbled upon some answer to a Cosmic question no one else noticed. Well don't pat yourself on the back. It's pretty much known that cohesive collectives are able to dominate groups of lesser ability and cohesiveness.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: aristeides (#66)

The court of history has neither a Fifth Amendment nor a presumption of innocence.

The rules of evidence don't matter if you provide the historians.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   15:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: SmokinOPs (#72)

It's pretty much known that cohesive collectives are able to dominate groups of lesser ability and cohesiveness.

It's "old news" then?

Known to whom?

Every 20 years or so a naive member of the American academy comes forward with evidence that blacks Americans really are less intelligent and more violent than white Americans. He's promptly run out of the academy.

Then the next guy comes along and thinks he's discovered something new.

And we all know who are disproportionately members of the academy.

If this feature of cohesive collectives is "old news", surely it is "old news" to this highly intelligent sub-population of the academy.

The subsequent running-out-of-the-academy seems curious, and bears investigating.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   15:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: SmokinOPs (#72)

You act as if you've stumbled upon some answer to a Cosmic question no one else noticed.

Not hardly.

Oh, dont forget to watch your back. ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   15:36:30 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: SmokinOPs (#63)

We are fools to allow other cultures to erase our own

And what culture would that be: McDonald's, Wal-mart, Desperate Housewives on the tube for you?

No.

That would be the culture that wrote the Constitution.

That would be the culture that wrote the Bill of Rights.

That would be the culture that embraced immigrants from all over the world.

That would be the culture that produced 16 million American men to fight in WWII.

That would be the culture who built the greatest nation on earth and became the target of the grandchildren of the Bolsheviks.

Are you even an American?

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-12   15:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Tauzero (#74)

If this feature of cohesive collectives is "old news", surely it is "old news" to this highly intelligent sub-population of the academy.

Well you knew about it. Did you have a secret decoder ring? You're confusing reaction to verbalizing of the known with the known itself. Just because it isn't discussed, it isn't a secret.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: robin (#76)

That would be the culture that wrote the Constitution.

We got that Constitution because there were no Jews there to try to scam a good deal for themselves. Like when they took over Russia, first order of business, law to hang anti-semites.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   15:49:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: robin (#76)

That would be the culture that wrote the Constitution.

That would be the culture that wrote the Bill of Rights.

Long gone.

" That would be the culture that embraced immigrants from all over the world."

Embraced? LOL, yeah sure. No immigrants were tolerated, not embraced. And they are tolerated for the same reasons they have always been tolerated around the world: economic.

"That would be the culture that produced 16 million American men to fight in WWII."

Culture of naivete?

" That would be the culture who built the greatest nation on earth and became the target of the grandchildren of the Bolsheviks."

Oh, yes, Commies under the bed did all this.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: bluegrass (#48)

We're in gentlemanly agreement on this.

Well, I was just so delighted after all the tussling I've done here, to see that you were nice enough to designate Stalin as "not Jewish"... ;)

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   15:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: SmokinOPs (#77)

Well you knew about it. Did you have a secret decoder ring?

But of course -- web sites labeled as "hate" sites.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   16:02:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: SmokinOPs (#79)

http://www.newswithviews.com/iserbyt/iserbyt7.htm

Former KGB counter-intelligence chief, General Oleg Kalugin, who is a Fox News commentator, recently stated that Admiral Poindexter's Office of Information Awareness (OIA) which is involved in spying on United States citizens, had hired both General Yevgeny Primakov and General Aleksandr V. Karpos, former KGB heads, as consultants and advisors. (Primakov in addition served as Russian Prime Minister in the late nineties.) (Note: The KGB was the Secret Police in the former Soviet Union)

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j061303.html

TROTSKY, STRAUSS, AND THE NEOCONS
War Party's leftist and elitist roots exposed

That would be the culture that wrote the Bill of Rights.

Long gone.

That culture is still alive. Our fathers and forefathers fought for the freedoms that the NeoCommies are taking away as fast as they can.

THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND U.S. FOREIGN POLICY

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-12   16:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: SmokinOPs, robin (#79)

Oh, yes, Commies under the bed did all this.

Actually, much of it was done out in the open. The pivotal devices still needed a Gentile's Holiday to slither forth. ;)

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-09-12   16:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: robin (#82)

TROTSKY, STRAUSS, AND THE NEOCONS War Party's leftist and elitist roots exposed

LOL, you think the Empire wants to go Communist? Not hardly. It doesn't work and there is no money in it. Fascism is the direction where the game is headed. The neo-cons are just the minstrels of the month who sing the tune right now that serves DC's interests. When they aren't getting it done they'll find a new group to write papers on the new boogeyman.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   16:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: bluedogtxn (#17)

The systematic murder of about thirteen million people.

In Stalin's Russia the systematic murder of at least 20 million people.

We don't hear much about that though, not many movies and tv documentaries or radio talk-show hosts spouting off on that topic.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   16:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Diana (#85)

In Stalin's Russia the systematic murder of at least 20 million people.

You are correct. In Stalin's Russia the murder of perhaps 30 millions goes unheralded, at least, not in the forms of mini-series, movies, etc...

There were many under and unreported genocides in the last century and there is an ongoing one in Darfur that seemingly merits little angst among us.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   16:35:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#80)

I was just so delighted after all the tussling I've done here, to see that you were nice enough to designate Stalin as "not Jewish"

But he might as well have been. : ) Uncle Joe did put the 'anti-semitism is the death penalty' plum in the pie so the banking Choze would always love him.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   16:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: SmokinOPs, robin (#84)

you think the Empire wants to go Communist?

They already have. They're exporting worldwide revolution democracy.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   16:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: SmokinOPs (#56)

Same reason small-town shopkeeps don't want big-box retailers moving in: because they can't or don't want to compete.

So Jews are the big chains and the rest of us are the mom-and-pops being run out of business. It's your analogy and it's one I agree with.

Tribal Jews get ahead by fraud and force. If they didn't have the power of the State backing and protecting them from people attempting to defend themselves, they'd be fucked. Jewish crooks get run out on a rail when they lose influence in the State structure.

Then again, much of what's called 'terrorism' these days is just self-defense. Just as in Jewish Russia, self-defense was called 'counter-revolutionary activity'.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   16:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: robin (#82)

That culture is still alive.

Yes it is.

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   16:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: bluedogtxn, Diana (#86)

There were many under and unreported genocides in the last century and there is an ongoing one in Darfur that seemingly merits little angst among us.

I don't see prominent Jews or Jewish groups being too concerned about the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Arabs/Muslims since the Clinton regime.

Israel has a hand in Darfur and the Sudan, btw. You'll never hear the "Save Darfur" synagogues mention it though.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   16:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: SmokinOPs, robin (#43)

What point is that? That other tribes don't have an average IQ one standard deviation above the rest of the world that gives them an articulateness and allows them to get powerful positions to where their story is heard?

Jews are smarter. Smarter people get farther in life. People farther in life have more attention paid to them. Get used to it.

What happened to "we're all the same", "everyone is equal", "there are no inherent differences in the races and to say so is racist"??

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   16:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: SmokinOPs, Tauzero, Cynicom (#77)

If this feature of cohesive collectives is "old news", surely it is "old news" to this highly intelligent sub-population of the academy.

I always thought that anyone intimating or insinuating that Jews work together are just anti-semites? ; )

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   16:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: bluedogtxn (#86)

There were many under and unreported genocides in the last century

America's Third World War: The Secret Wars of the CIA

But there's oil under those hills over there. That explains it!

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   17:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Diana, SmokinOPs, robin (#92)

What happened to "we're all the same", "everyone is equal", "there are no inherent differences in the races and to say so is racist"??

All the goyim are the same. It's racist to say otherwise. It's also racist to hold Jewish groups to account for their misdeeds or to even think that they'd engage in them.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   17:06:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: bluegrass (#95)

I always thought that anyone intimating or insinuating that Jews work together are just anti-semites? ; )

I see 4um is beginning to load up with Jew revisionists, apologists and propaganda artists.

Anti-goyism is on the march. Perhaps we need a GDL or even a anti-goyism hanging law. Thats the ticket. We want to be as "tolerant" as our Jewish friends.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   17:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: SmokinOPs, BTP Holdings (#59)

To: BTP Holdings

Smarter, or more devious and cunning? One allows for the others.

Honesty, empathy and compassion are personality traits that people have or don't have in varying degrees.

If anything less intelligent people tend to be a bit more dishonest and tribal in their behavior, for instance third-world countries are rampant with corruption and nepotism.

Personally I regard deviousness and cunning as traits of those who are not highly evolved spiritually.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   17:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: bluegrass, SmokinOPs, robin (#88)

Where on earth do you suppose this business of continual revolution originated but from Trotsky himself?

The neocons simply transformed it into spreading democracy. Same thing but with a flavor the brainwashed (for the last century or more) sheeple have come to accept.

And the communitarian George W. Bush has embraced it whole hog. ROTFLOL!

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   17:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Cynicom (#96)

I see 4um is beginning to load up with Jew revisionists, apologists and propaganda artists.

Since I assume you are aiming that at me, I apologize.

Sorry to break up your little anti-Semitic playground.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   17:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: bluegrass (#93)

I always thought that anyone intimating or insinuating that Jews work together are just anti-semites?

Nope, but you are an anti-semite. Actually you mostly come off as someone afflicted with a pathetic jealousy. You have to cococt these fantastic theories about how .01% of the world is involved in nefarious activities to somehow deprive your tribe of its due glory.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   17:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: bluegrass (#87)

Uncle Joe did put the 'anti-semitism is the death penalty' plum in the pie so the banking Choze would always love him.

Well, yeah---he did play to the audience. And he knew of not simply the power and influence emigrant Russian Jewish communities had achieved in the West, but also of the pressure that could be put on individuals in those communities through his control over relatives they had left behind in the Soviet "republics." A "carrot-and-stick" approach, if you will.

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   17:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Diana (#92)

What happened to "we're all the same", "everyone is equal", "there are no inherent differences in the races and to say so is racist"??

Never existed. You must have constructed it yourself. Good luck with that strawman.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   17:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: bluedogtxn (#99)

Since I assume you are aiming that at me, I apologize.

Never assume anything.

It was "aimed" and sent to Bluegrass, if it offends you, speaking the truth should never offend anyone.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   17:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: bluedogtxn (#86)

There were many under and unreported genocides in the last century and there is an ongoing one in Darfur that seemingly merits little angst among us.

The other day I was listening to our only FM station here, and there was a talk- show guy Steve Gill who was going on and on about how the terrorists want to kill us. He then said something about WWII, how we don't want that kind of thing to happen again, and he described it as the war "where we had to get rid of Hitler because he was trying to kill all the Jews, oh, and Japan too".

I couldn't believe it. I used to suspect that the majority of high school students probably think WWII was all about Hitler, but now probably the majority of adults have been conditioned to think the same. Soon they'll need to change the name from WWII to the War on Hitler because WWII implies there was more to it than fighting Hitler.

Those who now rule us place great importance on changing history, or so it seems.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   17:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: SmokinOPs, Diana (#102)

Never existed. You must have constructed it yourself. Good luck with that strawman.

You left out the part about diversity and multiculturalism, which are key parts of the cultural communism which has infiltrated our society with the help of the politically correct crowd.

Maybe it never existed in your Zionist inspired bubble of a world since according to the Talmud all of the goyim are inferior and the Jew is perfect.

Here is something by Reuven Schossen, a Jew who has converted to Christianity, that will burst that little bubble of yours.

Do Zionist Christians Know that Jesus'
Name Was Changed in Israel?

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   17:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: BTP Holdings (#105)

Maybe it never existed in your Zionist inspired bubble of a world since according to the Talmud all of the goyim are inferior and the Jew is perfect.

Yeah that's it. And I personally don't care about your sky-fairy and Jesus's name.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   17:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: SmokinOPs (#102)

Never existed. You must have constructed it yourself.

huh

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   17:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: BTP Holdings (#98)

Where on earth do you suppose this business of continual revolution originated but from Trotsky himself?

Yes, and since Trotsky was a Jew, it must be a Jews to blame for DC's Empire. See how that works. Because it certainly couldn't be in the interest of DC parasites in the Executive and Legislative branches to divy out favors in the Empire. They must be under Jewish mind control working against their own interests.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   17:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Diana (#107)

huh

Huh, yeah huh. You confuse what you hear with what the practice is in the real world.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   17:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Diana (#97)

If anything less intelligent people tend to be a bit more dishonest and tribal in their behavior, for instance third-world countries are rampant with corruption and nepotism.

Racism, bigoty, elitism, all in one grand sentence. How really snobbish. Geeezzz

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   18:15:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: SmokinOPs (#109)

You confuse what you hear with what the practice is in the real world.

Care to offer an example of this?

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   18:16:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Cynicom (#110)

Racism, bigoty, elitism, all in one grand sentence. How really snobbish. Geeezzz

Truthful nonetheless. ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   18:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: SmokinOPs (#106)

And I personally don't care about your sky-fairy and Jesus's name.

Well, that settles it then. Whatever it is you are smoking it sure has got your mind in a twist, just like your panties. ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   18:20:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: BTP Holdings (#112)

Truthful nonetheless. ;0)

Jack Abramoff shared that racist opinion, Indians were monkeys and apes, he stole millions and guess who is going to rot in jail??????

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   18:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Cynicom (#96)

Ted Lang suggested pro-Semite hate laws.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=34606&Disp

We need "hate crimes" legislation, but not laws directed at "anti-Semites." We need laws directed squarely at "pro-Semites," meaning the traitors who have bought our government out from under US and replaced it with the most technically advanced and therefore the greatest danger to human freedom in all the history of mankind. I feel something is going to happen, and I feel it will happen soon. If we could only hear a Charlie Sheen on national TV. Or perhaps a Congressman Ron Paul speaking nationally instead of to himself in front of the wasteoid House of "Representatives," we might just have another chance. There are a lot of people out there in possession of the naked truth; perhaps one of them will come forward with their story.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-12   18:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: SmokinOPs (#108)

Yes, and since Trotsky was a Jew, it must be a Jews to blame for DC's Empire. See how that works. Because it certainly couldn't be in the interest of DC parasites in the Executive and Legislative branches to divy out favors in the Empire. They must be under Jewish mind control working against their own interests.

You really haven't got a clue. The money power controls all of it. Without them, and the tribute the rest of the fascist scum have to fork over regularly, where would we be?

Oh, let's see, no perpetual war, no perpetual debt, a little more prosperity to go around and maybe even good relations with the rest of the world.

And we know who controls the banks. Geez, those dang Jews keep coming up. What's a fella to do? ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   18:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Cynicom, Diana (#114) (Edited)

Jack Abramoff shared that racist opinion, Indians were monkeys and apes, he stole millions and guess who is going to rot in jail??????

Diana is no Jack Abramoff, and neither am I. Guess again.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   18:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: SmokinOPs (#108)

Because it certainly couldn't be in the interest of DC parasites in the Executive and Legislative branches to divy out favors in the Empire.

It certainly is in the interest of said DC parasites.

They must be under Jewish mind control working against their own interests.

More of a happy alignment of interests, marching forward into the future hand-in-hand. At least for now.

La Raza puts it more succinctly -- a "white and Jewish" power structure.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   18:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: SmokinOPs, bluegrass (#100)

You have to cococt these fantastic theories about how .01% of the world is involved in nefarious activities to somehow deprive your tribe of its due glory.

See that's the thing, most of us don't see ourselves as belonging to a "tribe".

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   18:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: BTP Holdings (#111)

Care to offer an example of this?

C.S. Lewis has something to say about that.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   18:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: SmokinOPs (#109)

Huh, yeah huh. You confuse what you hear with what the practice is in the real world.

You mean I confuse the information/propaganda that is attempted to be crammed down out throats, or that I don't realize that this is merely for the consumption of the "stupid, gullible and naive"?

Have you ever considered the possiblity that people perceive reality in different ways, and what you may consider gullible and naive, is in actuality honesty and compassion, characteristics you may loathe and have no "respect" for because you don't understand it? I can admit that I have a hard time understanding the cut- throat mentality, the "virtues" of deception and trickery.

I believe everyone is on a different path, some behind others in terms of real compassion for humanity.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   18:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Tauzero (#81)

But of course -- web sites labeled as "hate" sites.

perspicacious !

christine  posted on  2006-09-12   18:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: BTP Holdings (#117)

. Guess again.

Not interested.

Birds of a feather share the same hatred and bigotry.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   18:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Cynicom (#123)

Birds of a feather share the same hatred and bigotry.

Now try to insult me. ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   19:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: BTP Holdings (#124)

Now try to insult me. ;0)

Not interested in your type of behavior, leave that to you.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   19:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Cynicom (#110)

Racism, bigoty, elitism, all in one grand sentence. How really snobbish. Geeezzz

Okey, "We are all the same", "diversity is out strength" "all humans are exact replicas of each other".

There. Like that better?

If anything less intelligent people tend to be a bit more dishonest and tribal in their behavior, for instance third-world countries are rampant with corruption and nepotism.

However, what I said above is the truth. This is not a perfect world and no people are perfect. That is the reality.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   19:02:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Tauzero (#118)

La Raza puts it more succinctly -- a "white and Jewish" power structure.

Who funds La Raza and Mecha? Who benefits in the end?

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   19:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: BTP Holdings (#116)

The money power controls all of it.

And we know who controls the banks. Geez, those dang Jews keep coming up.

Oooooooooh, cue scary music. So does the Jewish guy who owns the hotdog stand in Queens get his cut. Is there a per diem that comes with his membership card. I guess the fact that all the big investment banks are now publicly traded entities is just an inconvenience to the conspiracy. So have you checked your investment portfolio to make sure you're divested from these banks. Certainly wouldn't want you to lose sleep tonight over the blood money.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   19:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Diana (#126)

That is the reality.

Your "reality" is skewed by your own bias.

We are all alike in that envoirment. An unbiased I have never met.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   19:07:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Diana (#119) (Edited)

See that's the thing, most of us don't see ourselves as belonging to a "tribe".

Who's most? What do you think all the blood dancing and cheering of the American Imperial Legions around the world is? Tribalism.

They sell tribal magnets at every Muslim owned Quickee Mart in the US. They say " I support the troops".

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   19:10:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: SmokinOPs (#130)

They sell tribal magnets at every Muslim owned Quickee Mart in the US. They say " I suppor the troops".

I suppor the troops is a tribal magnet?

ROFLMAO~!

Dance puppet dance.

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   19:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Cynicom (#110)

Again this is not an equal or just world. No one can deny that.

It's not "racist" to say some people are smarter than others, better looking, more talented, more comical, have bad tempers, tend to have or not have a highly- developed sense of honesty, etc. I happen to believe that all humans are equally loved and equally important in the eyes of God, even though there are a varity of faults in everyone.

To pretend this is not so is sticking your head in the sand. Each one of us has our own faults and weaknesses we need to work on.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   19:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: SmokinOPs, bluedogtxn, Cynicom (#100)

but you are an anti-semite.

If being opposed to Jewish nutjobs having political power in American is what an anti-semite is, then I'm an unabashed anti-semite. Oddly, I'm also opposed to any nutjobs that identify with any religion having political power in America.

This is America. We can speak of whom and what we wish.

You have to cococt these fantastic theories about how...the world is involved in nefarious activities to somehow deprive your tribe of its due glory.

You're projecting. Typical.

To believe the BS, Jews NEVER engage in anything nefarious. It's only the world that conspires against Jews.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   19:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: jessejane (#127)

Who funds La Raza and Mecha?

Rothschild's of Europe, of course ! ... It's all their money ain't it ?

:P:P:P:P:P

"eventus stultorum magister"

Fools must be taught by experience

noone222  posted on  2006-09-12   19:24:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Cynicom, SmokinOPs, BTP Holdings (#123)

Birds of a feather share the same hatred and bigotry.

It appears to me that you are so obsessed with the topic of "hatred and bigotry" that you can no longer think in a rational way when anything related to that topic is brought up. You make assumptions that particular people are racists, when you know nothing about them or their experiences or what they truly feel. How do you know for instance that I am not native American?? You don't.

Even SmokinOPs sees through the BS in that regard and recognises that this is not how the world operates.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   19:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: SmokinOPs (#128)

So does the Jewish guy who owns the hotdog stand in Queens get his cut.

The elitists don't give a rat's ass about the hot dog stand owner, just like they could care less about the troops in Iraq or anywhere else. To them , they are all just cannon fodder or grist for the mill. Everyone has to survive, but we don't need those scumbags stealing from us in the process for something we have the power to do ourselves. I'm not going to lose a bit of sleep tonight, but you just might, BOZO!

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   19:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: jessejane, cynicom (#127)

Who funds La Raza and Mecha? Who benefits in the end?

Good question.

I was reading from the Vos de Atzlan website and they want all the white people to go back to Europe or die. Not too friendly. I guess the multiculturalism and diversity doesn't apply to them...

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   19:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: noone222 (#134)

Rothschild's of Europe, of course ! ... It's all their money ain't it ?

:P:P:P:P:P

:)

Yes, let's look at the Ford Foundation and the Carnegie Foundation for starters.

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   19:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: christine (#122)

This could be the big one alice. I think I.ve seen it before. Please PM me when it's time to man the lifeboats as I have no intention of going down with the ship.

Why can't we all just love all the Jews, and give them anything they want like we do the shwatzas. #;o)

I'm not ready to make nice

Hmmmmm  posted on  2006-09-12   19:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Diana (#137)

I was reading from the Vos de Atzlan website and they want all the white people to go back to Europe or die. Not too friendly. I guess the multiculturalism and diversity doesn't apply to them...

Diana,

I lost a good bit of links in my research of this when my computer died a few weeks ago. I will go back and try to find some bits to repost in case others would really like to understand the nature of these groups, true nature, and who exactly is funding them.

Exactly.

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   19:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Diana (#137)

Diana,

Link: http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2000fall_sc_funding_hat e_1.html

Funding Hate - Foundations and the Radical Hispanic Lobby - Part I Articles

by Joseph Fallon; Fall 2000; published in The Social Contract

In today's Orwellian America, where all groups are equal, but some groups are more equal than others, four radical "Hispanic" organizations — League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MEChA), and National Council of La Raza (La Raza) — champion discrimination against non- Hispanics in general and European-Americans in particular.

In most cases funded by the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations and in all cases abetted by the U.S. government, LULAC, MALDEF, MEChA, and La Raza are "politically correct" hate mongers. These four organizations, which form the core of the radical "Hispanic" lobby, have succeeded in having the U.S. government advance their agenda in ten key areas

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   19:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: jessejane (#138)

We should give our heads a break ...

These famous Bros. recall a better time !

"eventus stultorum magister"

Fools must be taught by experience

noone222  posted on  2006-09-12   19:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Cynicom (#129)

Your "reality" is skewed by your own bias.

We are all alike in that envoirment. An unbiased I have never met.

Can you please explain to me what you mean by we are all alike in that environment?

Do you believe in the blank-slate theory that was very popular in the 60s but was long ago discredited? For those who don't know it was based upon a belief that we are all born with no inherent characteristics, and that who we become is completely dependent on our environment.

However in recent years there has been a lot of research that has proven this to be wrong. Boys are born to be boys, girls are born to behave like girls, some people are born with higher IQs than others, some more gentle, some more aggressive, etc. We are each born with a blueprint of sorts that determines who and what we will become during our life. Environmental factors do play a role; if a person is starved or abused it will most likely have bad effects on them, and can hinder their learning ability among other things.

You must know some diseases are hereditary, the same is true for personality traits and intelligence, though there are different types of intelligence. And as far as races go, there are lots of variations within races. It's not all cut and dry, but it is a fact that the blank-slate theory is faulty and was discredited a long time ago. About the only people who still hold on to it are very left-wing types and others who simply do not want to accept reality.

It's not bad or evil if all people are not alike. If we were this would be a boring world. I do believe however we should all strive to be on an upward path of progression.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   19:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: SmokinOPs (#130)

Who's most? What do you think all the blood dancing and cheering of the American Imperial Legions around the world is? Tribalism.

They sell tribal magnets at every Muslim owned Quickee Mart in the US. They say " I support the troops".

You have a point there, sad to have to admit.

Kind of shows how easy it is to whip people up into a frenzy of Us vs. Them.

Didn't think of that aspect of it but unfortunately you are right.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   19:54:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Diana (#143)

That is the reality.

There is ONE envoirment that makes us all alike, we are biased.

Perhaps it would be easier if I said one human failure instead of using the word envoirment.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   20:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Diana, Zipporah (#143)

Born To Love You

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-12   20:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: jessejane (#141)

In most cases funded by the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations and in all cases abetted by the U.S. government, LULAC, MALDEF, MEChA, and La Raza are "politically correct" hate mongers. These four organizations, which form the core of the radical "Hispanic" lobby, have succeeded in having the U.S. government advance their agenda in ten key areas

I had wondered about this whole thing with Mexico depopulating itself by it's people coming here to this country. Common sense told me this would not have happened if our government did not want it to. It didn't start happening until a couple decades ago, so one has to wonder why did it suddenly start to happen when Mexico was not having any particular problems, in fact with less poverty than was present there decades ago?

I seriously think this country is in the process of being looted and used up before it is slated for destruction. I'm not sure why this is, but there are too many things happening that make it pretty obvious that we are now on the way out and will soon cease to exist as the America we once knew.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   20:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: All (#146)

Some day I'll wish upon a star
And wake up where the clouds are far behind me
Where troubles melt like lemondrops
Away above the chimney tops
That's where you'll find me

We're gonna need a bigger boat!

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-12   20:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Diana (#147)

I seriously think this country is in the process of being looted and used up before it is slated for destruction. I'm not sure why this is, but there are too many things happening that make it pretty obvious that we are now on the way out and will soon cease to exist as the America we once knew.

To buy it wholesale.

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   20:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: jessejane (#131)

I suppor the troops is a tribal magnet?

Why yes!

It's a propositional tribal magnet for the propositional tribe. ;)


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   20:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Dakmar (#148)

Click me

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-12   20:21:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Dakmar (#148)

We're gonna need a bigger boat!

Either that or we need to bail faster.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   20:23:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Diana (#147)

Common sense told me this would not have happened if our government did not want it to.

Like the CEO said of the accounting error "We'll fix it next quarter."

Oops. Here come the indictments.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   20:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: noone222 (#142)

Oh yeahhhhhhhhhhh!!

I needed that!!!

Thanks 222!! :) ~jj

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   20:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Tauzero (#150)

It's a propositional tribal magnet for the propositional tribe. ;)

Could you expand on that?

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   20:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Diana, SmokinOPs, bluegrass, Tauzero, BTP Holdings, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, bluedogtxn, ALL (#143) (Edited)

CountryIQ estimateCountryIQ estimateCountryIQ estimate
Hong Kong (PRC) 107Russia96Fiji84
South Korea106Slovakia96Iran84
Japan105Uruguay96Marshall Islands84
Taiwan (ROC) 104Portugal95Puerto Rico (US) 84
Singapore103Slovenia95Egypt83
Austria102Israel94India81
Germany102Romania94Ecuador80
Italy102Bulgaria93Guatemala79
Netherlands102Ireland93Barbados78
Sweden101Greece92Nepal78
Switzerland101Malaysia92Qatar78
Belgium100Thailand91Zambia77
China (PRC) 100Croatia90Congo- Brazzaville73
New Zealand100Peru90Uganda73
United Kingdom100Turkey90Jamaica72
Hungary99Indonesia89Kenya72
Poland99Suriname89South Africa72
Australia98Colombia89Sudan72
Denmark98Brazil87Tanzania72
France98Iraq87Ghana71
Norway98Mexico87Nigeria67
United States98Samoa87Guinea66
Canada97Tonga87Zimbabwe66
Czech Republic97Lebanon86Congo- Kinshasa65
Finland97Philippines86Sierra Leone64
Spain97Cuba85Ethiopia63
Argentina96Morocco85Equatorial Guinea59

christine  posted on  2006-09-12   20:39:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: christine, Kool Kats (#156)

I am sooooooooo happy we moved from Ethiopia shortly after my birth.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-12   20:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: christine (#156)

Well this is going to tick some people off ! ;)

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   20:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Jethro Tull (#157)

I am sooooooooo happy we moved from Ethiopia shortly after my birth.

ROFL!

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   20:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: jessejane (#159)

What, me worry? :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-12   20:48:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: christine (#156)

Israel 94

Israel is in the also rans. Muhahahahahahahaha

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   20:52:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: jessejane (#159)

ROFL!

Dont patronize Jethro as he will just post more bum jokes.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   20:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Jethro Tull (#160)

Darn, couldn't find the song I was thinking of... so, here's this one.. :)

C'mon, mon... less put our dreads on and nod in our seats.. jahmmin'.

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   20:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Cynicom (#161)

Muhahahahahahahaha

hey, even we americans is smarter. :P

christine  posted on  2006-09-12   20:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: jessejane (#158)

please don't shoot the messenger! :P

christine  posted on  2006-09-12   21:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Diana (#144)

Kind of shows how easy it is to whip people up into a frenzy of Us vs. Them.

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2006-09-12   21:09:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: christine (#165)

Who me?

Nevah! :)

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   21:19:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Arete (#166)

Do gang members body-paint themselves now?

Diana  posted on  2006-09-12   21:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Diana (#147)

I seriously think this country is in the process of being looted and used up before it is slated for destruction. I'm not sure why this is, but there are too many things happening that make it pretty obvious that we are now on the way out and will soon cease to exist as the America we once knew.

So it seems, sad to say.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-12   21:36:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Hmmmmm (#139)

there's no son involved in this one. i think it's gonna be ok. (wink)

christine  posted on  2006-09-12   21:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: christine (#170)

there's no son involved in this one. i think it's gonna be ok. (wink)

Praise Allah for that. I was sooooo worried.

Errrr uh, are you sure????

I'm not ready to make nice

Hmmmmm  posted on  2006-09-12   21:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Hmmmmm (#171)

Praise Allah for that.

WHOOOOPS! You just made Abe Foxman's "Orderly Disposal" list. I'm gonna miss ya man.

Salsa shark. We're gonna need a bigger boat. Man goes into cage,
cage goes into salsa, shark's in the salsa. Our shark! - Dakmar Quint

Esso  posted on  2006-09-12   21:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: jessejane, Diana (#141)

Foundations and the Radical Hispanic Lobby

I saw a page from La Raza website which listed the corporations and foundations which are major funders. Not sure if I can find it again, but it may be posted here on 4um.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   22:05:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Cynicom, christine (#161)

Israel 94

Israel is in the also rans. Muhahahahahahahaha

Is there any way to know if this figure includes the Israeli Arabs who are actual citizens of Israel? I'll bet it does.

Now, if there were an IQ test results for ethnic groups we might be able to figure this a bit closer. Even the Turks have sizable ethnic minorities of Kurds and Hellenes. ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   22:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: BTP Holdings (#173)

I saw a page from La Raza website which listed the corporations and foundations which are major funders. Not sure if I can find it again, but it may be posted here on 4um.

BTP, if you can find it, please, do post & provide link if possible.

~~~~~~~

The Carnegie connection explains how the MPI(Migration Policy Institute) was able to assemble such a prominent collection of funders, a list which includes:

Bevölkerung, Migration und Umwelt (BMU ) Foundation

Carnegie Corporation of New York

The Center for Global Development

Chicago Council on Foreign Relations

The Ford Foundation

European Commission

European Union Delegation to the United States

The Fannie Mae Foundation

Fundacao Luso-Americana para o Desenvolvimento

The German Marshall Fund of the United States

Government of Italy

Government of Mexico

JEHT Foundation

Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago

The J.M. Kaplan Fund

The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation

National Council of State Legislatures

Open Society Institute/Soros Foundation

South East Asian Resource Action Center

United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement"

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http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11862

National Immigration Law Center

Since 1979, the National Immigration Law Center (NILC) has been dedicated to protecting and promoting the rights of low income immigrants with a focus on gaining them unrestricted access to welfare programs and other government- funded social programs on the same basis as legal U.S. citizens. The NILC is headquartered in Los Angeles but also maintains offices in Oakland, California and Washington, DC. It has doubled its staff in the wake of what it believes are the “draconian restrictions on immigrants' rights imposed by the 1996 welfare and immigration laws.”[38]

NILC claims that thousands of immigrants have received prenatal care, cancer treatment, and other critical health services as a result of NILC litigation, often done in cooperation with other groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. NILC has also established formal collaborative relationships with local immigrant advocacy organizations in California, Florida, Illinois, Massachusetts, New York, Texas, and Washington. Together, these states account for almost three-quarters of the immigrant population in the U.S. A survey conducted for the Ford Foundation reported that major media outlets, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times, regularly call on NILC to explain the latest policy developments affecting immigrants and refugees. NILC conducts more than 80 training and conference presentations annually throughout the country to educate local attorneys and advocates about how laws and policies affect their immigrant clients.

Among the successful initiatives NILC lists on its website are restoring $12 billion in Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and more than $800 million in food stamps for legal immigrants targeted by the 1996 Welfare Reform legislation. NILC also obtained a clarification from the INS ensuring that immigrants can receive health care, nutrition, job training, and other non-cash public services without jeopardizing their immigration status. Josh Bernstein, who directs NILC's Washington DC office, was formerly director of Californians for a Fair Share, a coalition formed to oppose welfare cuts, and as a welfare advocate for the Legal Aid Foundation of Los Angeles.

The NILC also likes to harken back to its role in the sanctuary movement helping Central American refugees during the 1980s find asylum and jobs in the United States. Linton Joaquin, NILC’s Director of Litigation in Los Angeles, cut his teeth on this issue as executive director for the Central American Refugee Center in Los Angeles.

NILC's work is supported by foundation and government grants as well as publications and training revenue, attorney fees, and individual donations. Among the foundations to which NILC acknowledges financial support are:

The California Endowment

California Wellness Foundation

Annie E. Casey Foundation

Ford Foundation

W.K. Kellogg Foundation

Emma Lazarus Fund – Open Society Institute

Joyce Mertz-Gilmore Foundation

Charles Stewart Mott Foundation

Norman Foundation

David and Lucile Packard Foundation

Rosenberg Foundation San Diego Foundation

State Bar of California – Legal Services Trust Fund Program

U.S. Department of Justice – Office of Special Counsel

The Rockefeller Foundation gave the NILC $200,000 in 2002 “to coordinate and service the Low Wage Immigrant Worker Coalition and conduct policy analysis aimed at strengthening protections for workers vulnerable because of their citizenship/immigration status and expanding workforce development programs that improve their earnings.”[39]

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   22:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: Cynicom (#125) (Edited)

Not interested in your type of behavior, leave that to you.

Fine, you're BOZO now. Hope you like it. I got no use for old farts with sawdust between their ears.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   22:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: jessejane (#131)

I suppor the troops is a tribal magnet?

ROFLMAO~!

Dance puppet dance.

Bought two of them didn't you? One for the F-150 and another for the trailer. Bet it was a big disappointment finding out that magnets don't stick to aluminum siding. Just slap it on the propane tank out back, it'll be alright.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   23:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: BTP Holdings (#136)

BOZO!

Wahh, waaaahh.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   23:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: Esso (#172)

I'm gonna miss ya man.

Fuck Abe Foxman! (Can I say that?)

You know what I HATE? I hate wondering whether or not you can express a thought or idea in the land of the free and the home of the pre-emptive murdering bastards.

What are they going to do, microwave me?

I'm not ready to make nice

Hmmmmm  posted on  2006-09-12   23:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: bluegrass (#133)

I'm an unabashed anti-semite

Already established that.

" Jews NEVER engage in anything nefarious. It's only the world that conspires against Jews."

You have fun wrestling with that strawman tonight.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   23:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: SmokinOPs (#177)

Bought two of them didn't you? One for the F-150 and another for the trailer. Bet it was a big disappointment finding out that magnets don't stick to aluminum siding. Just slap it on the propane tank out back, it'll be alright.

Dance puppet!! Dance!!!

They have put you in the best job you can possibly do for your skills. Kind of the puppet special olympics. Because you are 'special'. Oh yes you are!! Tickle tickle.. you are just such a juicy puppetgirl.

Tell me another story puppetto!!

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-12   23:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: jessejane (#181)

Wow, three lines in a post. Trying to up your average eh?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-13   0:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: SmokinOPs (#182)

Wow, three lines in a post. Trying to up your average eh?

It took you that long to figure it out?

Surely you can dance faster.

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-13   0:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: jessejane (#183)

Surely you can dance faster.

Surely you can knock off the cryptic bullshit and pretend like you can scrape a cogent argument together. Nah, I take that back. Rural backwaters were drained of any intellectual content years ago and you aren't the exception still dwelling there.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-13   0:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: SmokinOPs (#184)

Surely you can knock off the cryptic bullshit and pretend like you can scrape a cogent argument together. Nah, I take that back. Rural backwaters were drained of any intellectual content years ago and you aren't the exception still dwelling there.

Someone as intelligent as you say you are, wouldn't need extra help from the teacher. Your tone is annoying, and unappreciated. One would think you could muster up a bit more couth. You know, those with higher IQ's and such. I doubt very seriously if you could survive alone if tossed to rural backwaters. ROFL. In fact, I'd put money on it. In fact, I'd pay to watch.

Where you dwell swills on rat vomit.. And it shows.

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-13   0:23:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: jessejane (#185)

Where you dwell swills on rat vomit.. And it shows.

Yep, on this thread with you and your comrades. Vile bunch of disaffected losers who never made it above partially employed construction worker who spend their downtime scouring the internet for reasons for their lot in life.

We're done.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-13   0:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: SmokinOPs (#186) (Edited)

Yep, on this thread with you and your comrades. Vile bunch of disaffected losers who never made it above partially employed construction worker who spend their downtime scouring the internet for reasons for their lot in life.

We're done.

ROFL!!

Awwwwwww... and you are here why??? ROFLMBO!!

Please, put me on your BOZO list. I don't want to be responsible for your Blood Pressure issues.. Rural Backwater fear and all.

Muaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha................

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-13   0:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: SmokinOPs (#186)

Yep, on this thread with you and your comrades. Vile bunch of disaffected losers who never made it above partially employed construction worker who spend their downtime scouring the internet for reasons for their lot in life.

Welcome to Amalek, dude. Now go home.

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-13   0:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#188)

Welcome to Amalek, dude.

Peetie,

How do you mean that reference?

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-13   0:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: SmokinOPs (#130)

Who's most? What do you think all the blood dancing and cheering of the American Imperial Legions around the world is? Tribalism.

They sell tribal magnets at every Muslim owned Quickee Mart in the US. They say " I support the troops".

Wait a minute, even though earlier I admitted this is an example of Us vs Them, in this case the WOT is not the result of racial/tribal conflict but something directed by members of special interest groups who are Christian and Jewish and don't all belong to the same racial/ethnic group.

These people have bombarded the American public with massive propaganda in order to persuade them to hate specific target groups such as Arabs, Muslims and others from the Mideast.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-13   0:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: jessejane, SmokinOPs (#131)

I suppor the troops is a tribal magnet?

ROFLMAO~!

Wish I had been that quick on the ball...

Diana  posted on  2006-09-13   1:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: christine, Cynicom (#164)

hey, even we americans is smarter. :P

I wonder about Israel being that low, Eastern European Jews have been measured to have the highest average IQ than any other group, though of course there are other people living in Israel.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-13   1:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: jessejane (#189)

Welcome to Amalek, dude.

Peetie,

How do you mean that reference?

Exodus 17:16 "The Lord has sworn that he will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." Historically, "Amalek" has been used in rabbinical literature to refer to any implacable "enemy of the Jews." That's how I meant it---OPP's schtick is to come in and antagonize us as a bunch of uneducated, red-knuckled, anti-Semitic beheymos that he can pour contempt on, if not make war on and exterminate. (Cute, isn't he? :P)

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-13   1:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: SmokinOPs, jessejane, Ferret Mike, BTP Holdings, Cynicom (#177)

Bought two of them didn't you? One for the F-150 and another for the trailer. Bet it was a big disappointment finding out that magnets don't stick to aluminum siding. Just slap it on the propane tank out back, it'll be alright.

What is this fairly recent obsession some people seem to have stereotyping poor white people living in trailers???

Ferret Mike posted a funny but kinda mean-spirited site someone put together that makes fun of poor, white southern people. It portrayed them as being really stupid with missing teeth, filthy and living in broken-down trailers.

It's acceptable to put them down, they are the one remaining group that it's okey to make fun of, in fact it seems to be all the rage. They even show Jerry Springer in Europe, which helps to form European's opinions of Americans. Needless to say for the most part they don't have a good impression of Americans.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-13   1:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: Diana (#190)

in this case the WOT is not the result of racial/tribal conflict but something directed by members of special interest groups

Yep, that's it. It's those damn "special interests". Because history shows that Americans are so reluctant to kill foreigners. Yeah that's the ticket. We were tricked. Uh-huh.

"are Christian and Jewish and don't all belong to the same racial/ethnic group"

There are tribes of ideology and nation states.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-13   1:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: Diana (#194)

They even show Jerry Springer in Europe, which helps to form European's opinions of Americans. Needless to say for the most part they don't have a good impression of Americans.

Yeah, it's all Jerry Springer. It couldn't possibly be the typical Americans flag worshipping jingoism and that more Americans know where Jon Benet Ramsey was murdered than can find Iraq on a map.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-13   1:38:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: Peetie Wheatstraw, SmokinOPs, Jesse Jane (#193)

I posted all this before I read the rest of this thread.

Smokin Ops you did have a point about Us vs. Them, even if it wasn't a racial example. I guess in the long run it doesn't matter if it's racial or religious or cultural, people will always fight over something.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-13   1:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#193)

Yep Peetie, I'm part of the conspiracy. Get a clue. And if you want to be lumped in with the knuckle draggers, be my guest. And quoting Rabbinical pronouncements - of which 90% of Jews haven't ever heard in their life is as moronic as the Islamophobes who pull out Hadith texts to show that every Muslim at the 7/11 is just waiting to convert them or slit their throat. In other words: Bullshit.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-13   1:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: SmokinOPs (#196)

Our schools are so dumbed down to the lowest common denominator that the only people who can get a decent education anymore are those who can afford private schools for their children, or good home-schooling. Plus there are fewer and fewer real families, and it's difficult for young girls to raise children on their own, and it's even worse when people accept this as a normal lifestyle. This doesn't help matters, it just perpetuates poverty and ignorance. It's frustrating when so many people out there don't know anything besides their favorite tv shows and talk show hosts on the radio who scream propaganda garbage.

And it will get worse as standards in this country keep getting lowered in every way.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-13   1:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: SmokinOPs (#195)

Yep, that's it. It's those damn "special interests". Because history shows that Americans are so reluctant to kill foreigners. Yeah that's the ticket. We were tricked. Uh-huh.

Well it wasn't the dumb people living in those trailers who started the WOT.

And as you know Americans aren't the only ones with a history of killing others, I can think of many other countries who have killed far more, or the leaders of those countries to be more specific, yep those special interest guys, AKA The Powers That Be in any given country.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-13   2:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: SmokinOPs (#180)

Already established that.

Establish this: the term 'anti-semite' no longer has the negative connotations that it once did in America, so calling someone such a stupid name will no longer have the desired effect. What then?

I used to be nervous of being thought an anti-semite. Now, it's almost a moral imperative to be thought of as one.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-13   5:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: Peetie Wheatstraw, jessejane (#193)

(Cute, isn't he? :P)

I had that clown's number pretty quick, another CluelessPussy member come here to try to disrupt the 4um.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-13   9:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: Diana (#104)

Those who now rule us place great importance on changing history, or so it seems.

Well look at this thread. That seems to be a trend among more than just our rulers...

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-13   9:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: Diana, Peetie Wheatstraw, Con Op is that you? (#194)

What is this fairly recent obsession some people seem to have stereotyping poor white people living in trailers???

If I didn't know better I would swear it was Con Op and not SmokinOPs throwing the insults. Peetie hit the nail on the head with the idiot.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-13   9:29:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: bluedogtxn (#203)

Well look at this thread. That seems to be a trend among more than just our rulers...

I suppose that depends on your version of the truth. Too bad you've been buffaloed on this one.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-13   9:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#193)

Exodus 17:16 "The Lord has sworn that he will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." Historically, "Amalek" has been used in rabbinical literature to refer to any implacable "enemy of the Jews." That's how I meant it---OPP's schtick is to come in and antagonize us as a bunch of uneducated, red-knuckled, anti-Semitic beheymos that he can pour contempt on, if not make war on and exterminate. (Cute, isn't he? :P)

Thanks Peetie.. That clears it up. Cute? Hate spewing hunched over Gargoyles that have run out of Nads are hardly that. They may have to find people dumber than they are to fight their wars for them soon.

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-13   9:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: bluedogtxn (#203)

Well look at this thread. That seems to be a trend among more than just our rulers...

Yes it does. It stems from their delusion that the United States would be some libertarian/paleocon utopia if it wasn't for those damn Jews and their banking and political influence. You know, like those other countries throughout history who didn't have any Jewish influence. Like Imperial Japan, the Mongol Empire, the Ming Dynasty and the tribal Kingdoms of Sub-Saharan Africa. All those places were bubble gum trees and lollipop flowers without the Jews.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-13   9:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: Diana (#194)

They even show Jerry Springer in Europe

When I was in NY in '97 I found the theatre that is Springer's studio and I asked the tech guys in the trailer out front where we could set up to picket. They reached for the phone to call the cops and I got out of there. ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-13   9:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: BTP Holdings (#204)

Peetie hit the nail on the head with the idiot.

Looks that way.

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-13   9:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: BTP Holdings (#208)

When I was in NY in '97 I found the theatre that is Springer's studio

Really, because Jerry Springer is taped in Chicago. Hmm, that's odd.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-13   9:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: SmokinOPs, bluedogtxn (#207)

It stems from their delusion that the United States would be some libertarian/paleocon utopia if it wasn't for those damn Jews and their banking and political influence.

I think the stronger delusion is the one that the world wouldn't survive without Jews. I wonder who pushes it?

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-13   12:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: SmokinOPs (#198)

Yep Peetie, I'm part of the conspiracy. Get a clue. And if you want to be lumped in with the knuckle draggers, be my guest. And quoting Rabbinical pronouncements - of which 90% of Jews haven't ever heard in their life is as moronic as the Islamophobes who pull out Hadith texts to show that every Muslim at the 7/11 is just waiting to convert them or slit their throat. In other words: Bullshit.

Sorry, but I don't think you can win friends, let alone arguments, by insults and indulgence in meaningless epithets like "racist" and "anti-Semite." I'm perfectly willing to debate someone who I think is arguing the facts civilly and in good faith. For whatever reason, you don't want to do that. Thus you shouldn't waste your time with me, because I surely won't waste my time on you.

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-13   12:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: christine, Diana, SmokinOPs, Tauzero, BTP Holdings, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, bluedogtxn (#156)

Re: this IQ list, I don't understand how most of the world can fall below the average?

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-13   13:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: bluedogtxn (#16)

my grandfather walked through the camps as an allied soldier, and he talked to me about it.

Eisenhower walked through those camps also. He never saw fit to mention 'gas chambers' in his memoirs.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-13   13:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: bluegrass (#213)

It's the aspartame generation.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-13   13:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: bluedogtxn, Diana, robin, Horse, BTP Holdings, Cynicom, Tauzero, SmokinOPs, Jethro Tull, lodwick, christine, Peetie Wheatstraw, aristeides, Eoghan, jessejane, noone222, Hmmmmm, Dakmar (#1) (Edited)

Does anyone actually think that the dynamics described below have changed one bit in 90 years?

Me neither.


“If we bear in mind that the Jewish firm of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. is connected with the Rheinisch-Westphalian Syndicate, a Jewish firm in Germany, with Lazard Freres, a Jewish firm of Paris, and also with the banking house of Gunzbourg, a Jewish firm in Petrograd, Tokyo and Paris, and if we in addition point out that the aforementioned Jewish trading firms maintain close relations to the Jewish firm of Speyer & Co. in London, New York and Frankfurt/Main, as likewise with Nye Banks, a Jewish-Bolshevist firm in Stockholm, then we can establish that the Bolshevist movement in itself is to a certain degree the expression of a universal Jewish movement, and that certain Jewish banking houses are interested in the organisation of this movement.”

THE FINANCIERS OF COMMUNISM


"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-13   14:37:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: bluegrass (#216)

Henry Ford tried to get the word out, back in his day.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-13   14:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: bluegrass (#213)

Re: this IQ list, I don't understand how most of the world can fall below the average?

Complement of Wobegon.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-13   16:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#212)

Yep Peetie, I'm part of the conspiracy. Get a clue. And if you want to be lumped in with the knuckle draggers, be my guest. And quoting Rabbinical pronouncements - of which 90% of Jews haven't ever heard in their life is as moronic as the Islamophobes who pull out Hadith texts to show that every Muslim at the 7/11 is just waiting to convert them or slit their throat. In other words: Bullshit.

Notice how everyone who he says is opposed to what he posts is part of a "conspiracy." That reeks of robotoid botitis which is a fatal disease only if you refuse to open your eyes and ears.

BTW, Exodus is one of the first five books of the Old Testament, correct? That would make it a part of the Torah, of which any Jew worth his religious study would be aware.

Shows what a moron we are dealing with here, really. The more he spins, the deeper he buries himself in his own bullshit. ;0)

"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." Henry David Thoreau

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-13   21:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: BTP Holdings (#219)

of which any Jew worth his religious study would be aware.

A majority of Jews don't even believe in God, let alone do any religious study. But I know, in your fantasy world they know the Torah, Talmud, Midrash and the Mishnah inside and out and hold those teachings in the deepest recessess of their heart as guidance on how to screw the Goy.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-20   22:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#212)

Sorry, but I don't think you can win friends...

I'm not here for friendship. I do that in the real world.

"...let alone arguments"

Win what argument? That the Holocaust happened. That was won long ago when it happened. I don't debate it with people anymore than I would debate the sky being blue with a demented man, and for the same reason.

"meaningless epithets like "racist" and "anti-Semite."

Buy a dictionary.

"I'm perfectly willing to debate someone who I think is arguing the facts civilly and in good faith."

A gold star for you today.

"I surely won't waste my time on you."

There's an ignore feature. Don't be afraid to use it.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-20   22:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: SmokinOPs (#221)

That the Holocaust happened. That was won long ago when it happened

Agree. We need another one. Maybe two.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-20   22:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: Jethro Tull (#222)

Agree. We need another one. Maybe two.

Suit up cowboy and make it happen. Don't just sit around playing keyboard wishful warrior. Just make sure to leave your real name on the forum before you head off. That way we can keep an eye out for you on CNN and we'll know it's you when the SWAT team takes out the whacko in the bell tower.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-20   22:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: SmokinOPs (#223)

Ah...no thanks. I’d rather sit on my ass and watch the people of the Middle East get even. You can have your college football on Saturdays. Me, I'd rather watch a few hundred well placed Katyusha rockets find their home :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-20   22:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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