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Title: Meet the Bolsheviks!
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Published: Apr 04, 2003
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Post Date: 2006-09-12 13:15:15 by bluegrass
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Meet the Jewish people who murdered over 20 million innocents in Russia from 1917-onward, long before Hitler came to power. Yes, Virginia, Hitler was largely responding to that murder event with his own Holocaust, the Jewish community]. And yes, Virginia, we know that your history teacher never mentioned the Bolshevik holocaust -- neither did ours. The few non-Jewish officials in the list below are specifically noted as being not Jewish. [Note on name spellings: Russian names are spelled differently depending upon the source, e.g., Yoffe is also spelled Ioffe and sometimes Joffe; Grigory is sometimes Grigori or even Grigorii]. -- 1. Vladimir I. Lenin (1870-1924): first Premier of the USSR; Marxist theoretician; a lawyer; founder of the Bolsheviks (1903); supreme dictator of early Bolshevik regime; founder of the Comintern; author of the Marxist handbook "State and Revolution"; Lenin was one-quarter Jewish, and was married to a Jewess. 2. Joseph Stalin (1879-1953): an early Bolshevik; supreme dictator of Soviet Union from 1927-1953. After V. Lenin's death, and prior to 1927, the Bolshevik regime was run by a triumvirate composed of Zinoviev, Kamenev, and Stalin. Stalin was the editor of the Bolshevik newspaper, Pravda ("Truth"). Stalin, like Lenin, was married to a Jewess. Stalin was not a vigorous supporter of forcing Communism upon other countries -- unlike Trotsky -- a feature which likely prevented a Soviet assault upon various Western countries. [Not Jewish] 3. Leon Trotsky (aka Bronstein) (1879-1940): Trotsky was a Menshevik; was Commissar of Foreign Affairs; supreme commander of the Soviet Red Army; member of Politburo; he rebelled against Stalin and his supporters and was murdered by Stalin for that reason. Trotsky strongly advocated the idea of global -- not simply local -- Marxist revolution. 4. Lazar M. Kaganovich (1893-1991): a prime director of mass-murder for Stalin; held a series of vocations, including commissar of transport, heavy industry and the fuel industry; a Politburo member; he was Stalin's brother-in-law and also his chief advisor; many execution orders bore Kaganovich's signature [1], evidence that he had the power to order the deaths of civilians [2]. During the 1930s, he was in charge of the deportations of "enemies of the state" to Siberia; was nicknamed the "Wolf of the Kremlin" because of his penchant for violence. He was considered by many to be the most powerful and important man under Stalin. Died of old age in Moscow. 5. Grigory Zinoviev (aka Apfelbaum; aka Radomyslsky) (1883-1936): great pal of Lenin; member of the Central Committee; chairman of the Comintern; member of Politburo; executive of secret police; first president of the Third International; A. Lunacharsky called him "one of the principal counsellors of our Central Committee and (he) belongs unquestionably to the four or five men who constitute the political brain of the Party." 6. Grigori Y. Sokolnikov (1888-1939): a Bolshevik; friend of Trotsky; Commissar of Finance; a diplomat; member of the "Left Opposition"; Soviet ambassador to England; creator of the "chervonetz," the first stable Soviet currency; was part of "Russian" delegation that signed the Brest-Litovsk treaty in 1918; member of the Central Committee and Politburo. 7. Moisei Uritsky (1873-1918): Uritsky was a Menshevik; chief of the Petrograd Cheka, in which capacity he ordered many people who opposed Communism to be executed as "counter-revolutionaries"; Commissar for Internal Affairs in the Northern Region; the commissar of the Constituent Assembly; member of the Central Committee; a member of the "Revolutionary Military Center." 8. Felix Dzherzhinsky (1877-1926): a Pole; a high-strung fanatic; founder/director of the Cheka (All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage), which was later renamed the State Political Directorate (GPU), which later became the OGPU and then the NKVD (Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs); member, Central Committee; Commissar of Transport. [Not Jewish, but philosemitic]. 9. Maxim Litvinov (aka Wallakh) (1876-1951): Soviet foreign minister/diplomat/ambassador; in 1933, he persuaded the United States to recognize the Communist Soviet government as "legit" -- thanks, in part, to America's president F. D. Roosevelt being part-Jewish; first chairman, State Committee on the Anthem (official musical anthems). 10. Lavrenti Beria (1899-1953): member of the Cheka; later became head of the Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD) in Georgia, then later the NKVD proper. Beria had large numbers of prisoners executed [3]; was involved in the Atomic Bomb project in the USSR; [Rumored by some to be a crypto-Jew; other sources insist he was not Jewish, but philosemitic]. 11. Yakov (Jacob) Sverdlov (aka Solomon) (1885-1919): member, "Revolutionary Military Center"; member, Central Committee; close buddy of Lenin; aided Lenin with Lenin's political theories; Sverdlov ordered the massacre of the Czar's family in 1918. Sverdlov succeeded Kamenev and became the second Jewish president of the so-called "Soviet Republic." 12. Sergei M. Kirov (1886-1934); early Bolshevik; member of the Politburo; Secretary of the Central Committee; Communist Party boss in Leningrad. Stalin used Kirov’s murder in 1934 to justify the party purges and treason trials of the late 1930s. [Apparently not Jewish]. 13. Nikolai V. Krylenko (1885-1938): an early Bolshevik; member of editorial board of Pravda; member of the executive committee of the Petrograd Soviet; famous chess player; member of the Communist Party Central Committee; a military commissar; as President of the Supreme Tribunal he prosecuted most political trials in the 1920s; in 1931, Stalin appointed Krylenko Commissar of Justice; he was involved in the convictions of many Communist Party members during the Great Purges. [Not Jewish] 14. Karl Radek (aka Sobelsohn) (1885-1939); early revolutionary; old confidante of Lenin; member of the Central Committee; an "international" Communist activist; a key player in the creation of the Comintern; a writer for the Soviet government newspaper Izvestia; participated in the Brest-Litovsk peace negotiations with Germany; he also was active in Germany, working with Jewish-German Communist Rosa Luxemburg. 15. Viacheslav I. Molotov (1890-1986): early Bolshevik; helped found Pravda newspaper; head of the Ukrainian Communist Party; member of the Politburo; Commissar for Foreign Affairs; headed a Politburo commission to "eliminate the kulaks as a class." [Apparently not Jewish but philosemitic; his wife was Jewish, named Zhemchuzina]. 16. Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko (1884-1939): a former Menshevik; Chief of Political Administration of the Red Army; an unofficial ambassador to Czechoslovakia and Poland; Commissar for Military Affairs in Petrograd; Commissar of War; led the Red Army invasion of the Ukraine; led the attack on the Winter Palace; editor of the Menshevik "Nashe Slovo" newspaper. 17. Yakov (Jacob) Yurovsky (y/b/d unknown): head of Ekaterinburg Cheka; "Commissar of Justice" for Ural Regional Soviet; the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murders of Czar Nicholas II and his family in 1918. The murder of mild-mannered Nicholas was carried out almost completely by Jews, including Goloshchekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Voikov, in addition to Yurovsky. 18. Grigory Sergo Ordzhonikidze (1886-1937); member of the Politburo; Commissar for Heavy Industry; helped solidify Bolshevik power in Armenia and Georgia; Chairman of the Caucasus Central Committee of the Communist Party; First Secretary of the Transcaucasian Communist Party Committee; Chairman of the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party; became Stalin's top economic official. [Apparently not Jewish]. 19. Genrikh (Henry) Yagoda (1891-1938); a Polish Jew; former Cheka member; an officer in SMERSH, the Ninth Division of the OGPU, its liquidation arm; People's Commissar of Internal Affairs; chief of the NKVD; also in charge of gulag forced-labor camps. Developing fast-acting poisons was a Yagoda hobby; he created a laboratory for that purpose. 20. Lev Kamenev (aka Rosenfeld) (1883-1936); member of the Central Committee; Chairman of the Moscow Soviet; member of Politburo; author of Marxist handbook "The Dictatorship of the Proletariat," 1920; was elected first President of new Bolshevik government, aka "Soviet Republic" [Lenin was Premier]; was married to Trotsky's sister. 21. Anatoly V. Lunacharsky (1875-1933); an early Marxist; Commissar for Education and Enlightenment; League of Nations ambassador; key player in persuading Russian workers to support the Bolshevik Revolution; was an author - wrote the "Revolutionary Silhouettes" of top Bolshevik pals; [Apparently not Jewish]. 22. Fedor (Theodore) Dan (1871-1947): was a Menshevik; was a member of the editorial board of the Menshevik journal "Iskra"; was author of the book "The Origins of Bolshevism" (1943), where he claimed that Bolshevism had been chosen by history to be "the carrier of socialism"; but he was actually an opponent of most Bolshevik ideas; he was sent into exile in 1921 after being arrested; he was married to Menshevik leader Julius Martov's sister. 23. Nikolai Bukharin (1888-1938): Lenin's chief Marxist theorist; general secretary/chairman of the Comintern; member of the Politburo; member, Central Committee; he was editor of Pravda and also Izvestia, a political newspaper; led, with Rykov, the "Right Opposition" to defend the NEP [New Economic Policy]; [Apparently not Jewish]. 24. Nikolai Yezhov (1895-1939): early Bolshevik; served in various capacities in the Cheka, GPU, and OGPU; was military commissar in various Red Army units; was G. Yagoda's deputy; People's Commissar of Internal Affairs; head of NKVD; was deputy People's Commissar of Agriculture for the USSR. 25. Mikhail I. Kalinin (1875-1946); early Bolshevik; cofounder of the newspaper Pravda; nominal, "puppet" president of Soviet Union until 1946; replaced Sverdlov as Chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of the Communist Party; Chairman of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR. 26. Isaac Steinberg (y/b/d unknown); Commissar of Justice. Later brought Jewish-flavored radicalism to Australia. 27. Alexei Rykov (1881-1938); Premier of Soviet Union until 1930; member of Lenin's Politburo; Commissar of the Interior; Chairman of the Supreme Council of National Economy; Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars; led the "Right Opposition" with Bukharin to defend the NEP [New Economic Policy]. 28. Matvei D. Berman (y/b/d unknown): chief of gulag system and Deputy Commissar of the NKVD; brother of Boris. 29. Naftaly Frenkel (y/b/d unknown): a director of the gulag prison camp system; Turkish-born; was works chief/chief overseer of the one-hundred-and-forty-mile-long Belomor (Baltic-White Sea) canal project in Russia, a canal linking the White Sea and the Baltic, built from 1931–34; it was created entirely with slave labor; 60,000 workers died building the canal, the project having a mortality rate of roughly 10%. 30. Adolph Yoffe (aka Ioffe) (1883-1927): Commissar of Foreign Affairs; ex-Menshevik; close friend of Trotsky's; helped publish the Pravda newspaper; delegate at the Brest-Litovsk peace negotiations; member of the State General Planning Commission; was later Soviet ambassador to China, Japan and Austria. 31. Lev Inzhir (y/b/d/ unknown): chief accountant for the gulag prison system. 32. Boris Berman ( -1938): served as the Byelorussian NKVD's Commissar until 1938; brother of Matvei. 33. K. V. Pauker (y/b/d unknown): head of the Operations Department of the NKVD. 34. Aleksandr Orlov (aka L. Feldbin) (1898-1970): member of the Cheka; advisor to Spanish Communists in Spain; commander, Soviet Red Army; later worked at the Law School of the University of Michigan in America (!). 35. Ilya Ehrenburg (1891-1967): Soviet propaganda minister during WWII; delegate for Moscow in the Supreme Soviet; Communist writer; organizing member of JAC [Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee]; worked for Izvestia newspaper; performed research regarding Spain for the NKVD; author of book "The Ninth Wave," and winner of two Stalin Prizes.
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That would be the work of Kaganovich. This story has been hidden from three generations of Americans. All the while, those three generations have been endlessly harangued with Yiddish fairy tales about a fictional "Holocaust", complete with bone-crushing machines and huge underground gas chambers.
Mass Grave of Massacred Poles Found in Ukraine: "Unofficial estimates put the number of bodies in the grave at 200,000 to 300,000. "
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#10. To: robin (#8)
IMO, Chertoff was picked because he looks like what the 'Leets think us commoners view the devil as (even his name means 'of the devils).
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
It wasn't any fucking Yiddish Fairy tale. Let's take one of these things listed at random and discuss it. How about the "pyramids of shoes?" First of all, what on earth do you think would be the reason for there to be such a pile of shoes in the first place? Remember now, Germnay was at war and the camps were labor camps. Would it not seem logical that old shoes were to be stripped and reworked with the usable portions of leather? Especially since shoe leather was at a premium and was quite scarce considering its use for the military. How many others of those subjects you have listed are similarly misinterpreted? I would say it is likely all of them would be so classified. You cannot imagine the horror of being a camp commander and being unable to obtain enough food for the camp staff, let alone the inmates. But that is the situation those commanders found themselves in as they sent out crews to forage for food every day toward the end of the war. It takes some deep thought to see the lies which have been perpetrated about all of this. The same conditions existed at POW camps during the War Between the States here in the U.S. To think anything else is foolish and exhibits extreme ignorance and a willingness to simply swallow what has been spoon fed to us.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
No doubt. There was an Armenian genocide, the Jews, the Poles, the pogroms and the putches and the purges of the Soviet Union, the Ugandans, the Laotians, the Chinese, hell... Just about every place in the world has been within a day's drive of a good holocaust during the twentieth century (well, not the US, but ours is coming)... My beef was with denying that it even happened or supposing the Germans to have been maligned with some sort of false accusation. IG Farben ain't denying it happened, and it means money out of their pocket. If the Germans themselves don't deny it occurred, it fucking occurred.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
The gas chamber myths have served a number of purposes. For one, they completely overshadowed the earlier genocides by Jewish Communists. For another, they've provided endless fodder for weepy propaganda in America. It's propaganda that every true sucker, me included, bought into. From those myths comes the basis of Zionist power in America. I'm 45 years old. For the first 41 years of my life, I bought the bunk hook, line and sinker. These past four years have been my best ones on an intellectual level because I'm no longer chained down by old brainwashing. "The Holocaust" is a prison of the mind.
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
In my first post to you I stated: "Jews were targeted by the Nazi state". What am I denying?
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
You see bluedog, it was a mere 4 million and it was in forced labor camps, so that makes it all better. See it's not a heinous atrocity if you are worked and starved to death. And any exaggeration makes the story wholly suspect. The Nazis were trying really, really hard to get food for the inmates and stem the spread of disease... Scouts' honor. I mean the fact that people were placed in slave labor camps in the first place can be overlooked - the Germans were at war donchaknow.
First of all, what on earth do you think would be the reason for there to be such a pile of shoes in the first place? Ermmm... Because you don't need shoes in either a shower or a crematoria, and the buckles don't burn, and you don't turn around and sell hundreds of thousands of women's and children's shoes when you're running a supposedly secret extermination camp. Besides, my grandfather walked through the camps as an allied soldier, and he talked to me about it. Plus, the Germans don't deny it happened; didn't deny it happened at the time and they fucking DID it. If those accused of a monstrous, heinous crime don't actually deny their participation, when if it didn't happen, the fact of its not happening would be a perfect defense, you may logically conclude that it fucking happened. Jeeze. You guys are nuts.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
"What am I denying?" The systematic murder of about thirteen million people.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
And whom should we rely on to interpret that evidence? If a soldier had no idea the reason for that pile of bodies or the starved skeletal-looking survivors in a camp, would it be prudent to believe what one was TOLD? Or would it be better to reserve judgment? I take it you have not considered the rabid Germanophobia and other such propaganda the troops and even the people on the homefront were subjected to on a daily basis. As a simple comparison, just look at the parallels in the current Islamophobia propagana which are broadcast relentlessly in the Jewsmedia. Only the names and faces have changed.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
A million or less Jews died in the "Holocaust". One person dying under an oppressive regime is too much. What happened to the Jewish (and all) peasants in Europe was nightmare enough without having to invent fairy tales about it. Here's an entertaining and comedic fairy tale on the topic: A YEAR IN TREBLINKA by Yankel Wiernik, 1945
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
Sheesh. I get where you're coming from now. I just thought it was out of fashion among rational folks. Nevermind.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Uh-huh, that's why Poland is teeming with Jews today. All 10,000 of them.
STOP!!!!!!!! You're under arrest for Zundel'ing in the 1st degree. Assume the position.
Don't be absurd. You were not there and neither was I. And, bless your grandfather, but what he saw was subjected to many outside influences as my previous post indicates. What was related to you is all of an anecdotal nature. He saw what he saw, but was his interpretation correct? I highly doubt it under the circumstances. That's a nice bit of doubletalk. Not hardly.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
Here's an entertaining and comedic fairy tale on the topic: Oh yeah, that was fucking hilarious. Good grief.
The only thing that I'm denying is the ability of Jewish groups and their helpers to tell me how and what to think of history as I find it. Looking at history, when people are going to jail for questioning some aspect of theology or history, the topic in question was always BS. People are going to jail for questioning numbers and methods of the "Holocaust". That alone should be a red flag. I still await some type of proof from you regarding mass murder by gas chamber.
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
Sheesh. I get where you're coming from now. I just thought it was out of fashion among rational folks. Nevermind. So, you deny the influence of the contolled media? Don't waste my time.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
Do you know what atrocities Jews committed in Poland after WWII? That's why Jews are freaked about going there. Look up Solomon Morel.
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
He can't do it. The technology was not there, then or now, to do the deed.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
I know of Solomon Morel. Those are things he and his accomplices did. You seem to have some perverted sense of collective guilt.
I guess I figured people were smarter than this... I understand the attitude of "question everything". But the notion that the devastated Jews of Europe or the US or wherever in the midst of the chaos of WWII's aftermath managed to plant all the physical evidence, build gas chambers and "fool" the allies into believing in a holocaust that "didn't really happen" is just pure-dee silliness. For no damn reason we watched hundreds of thousands of Tutsi and Hutus kill each other on video. We've watched archaelogists dig up thousands of murder victims in the Killing Fields of Cambodia. In our lifetimes we've seen ethnic cleansing in East Europe and we're sitting on our hands and watching it happen on the Horn of Africa. This systematic murder really does happen; and the best way to judge if it really happened is to ask the victims of it; ask the killers themselves and examine the evidence. All that was done post WWII, and a lot of American didn't want to believe what the supposedly civilized Germans had done, but they had fucking done it, the physical evidence was there, and the Germans themselves didn't deny it. In Turkey the Turks will tell you there never were any Armenians in Istanbul and Ismir. They are fucking lying because they killed most of the Armenians there, and the evidence has come in on it. We don't believe the Turks when they deny their crime, but we believe the Germans are lying when they confess to theirs? Ridiculous. Objecting to the Jews' eternal claim of exceptional victimhood is one thing, and quite legitimate. That I actually agree with. But to deny the truth because you find it inconvenient or don't like Jews is another thing entirely. What it is is bullshit.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Wiki says her maiden name was something else. She marred Marcel Pauker. Born to a Secular Jewish family, Marcel Pauker was a polyglot, and noted speaker of Esperanto. He briefly studied engineering in Zürich, before enlisting as an artillery cadet and becoming a Second Lieutenant in 1916 (during World War I). In 1919-1921, he lived in Switzerland for a second time, receiving his diploma in engineering. Marcel Pauker got involved in a political fight with Vitali Holostenco, reflecting the struggle between the Bucharest section and that of the Ukrainian SSR that had taken hold of the Party's wing inside the Soviet Union around the proceedings of the 4th Congress in Kharkiv. Again in the Soviet Union, Pauker was sanctioned by the Comintern for his multiple independent choices. Forbidden from contributing to political activities, he was sent to assist as an engineer in the industrial expansion of Magnitogorsk (in western Siberia), a job he undertook between 1930 and 1932. At the same time, Joseph Stalin, whose priority at the time was showing the facade of "unity" within his subject Parties, had Holostenco removed from his position. In 1935 Pauker was appointed a member of the Secretariat of the Romanian Communist Party. He spent time in Prague until 1937, when he returned to Soviet territory. He fell victim to the Great Purge: arrested by the NKVD on March 21, 1937 and held in the infamous Taganka Prison, Marcel Pauker was first interrogated over a year later, being presented with the ludicrous charge of espionage in favor of Romania. Records show that he finally admitted to the charge (most likely after being subjected to torture). Consequently, he was put on trial, sentenced to death and executed by shooting. Marcel Pauker was rehabilitated by Soviet authorities in 1957 (as part of the De-Stalinization process under Nikita Khrushchev). Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej isolation and rejection of newer Soviet policies prevented this and other such cases from being mirrored in Communist Romania. While Gheorghiu-Dej was exercising a looser control of the society, he was not ready to question most of the Stalinist measures, as these had served to enforce his own rule during the previous decade. The case was reconsidered under Nicolae Ceau_escu's further distancing measures. Pauker's name was cleared, but mention of his activities and details of his life were kept secret. Although Ceau_escu was willing to challenge more "mistakes of the past", he could not afford to forget the fact that his own regime was largely based on that of Gheorghiu-Dej. Largely thanks to circumstances, Ana Pauker was able to survive her husband's downfall, and she even reached the peak of her political career in the following years. They had three children together: * Tanio (1921-1922) * Vlad (b. 1926) * Tatiana (b. 1928) In 1921 Marcel also fathered a son named Yakov, from his relationship with fellow militant Roza Elbert. He also had lengthy affairs with Elena Filipovici and Vanda Nicolski. K.V. Pauker is mentioned thrice in Stalin's Loyal Executioner: People's Commissar Nikolai Ezhov, index spotted at http://hoover.org. Also in CofC. Hard to say. It's a small world though. Anna Pauker's nephew Jean Colin (1921-1991) is Romania 's most famous science fiction writer.
What you say you been smokin?
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
It is. The physical impossibilities contained in the below "eyewitness" account are straight out of the comic books or science fiction: I am no longer a young man and have seen a great deal in my lifetime, but not even Lucifer could possibly have created a hell worse than this. Can you picture a grate of this length piled high with 3,000 corpses of people who had been alive only a short time before? As you look at their faces it seems as if at any moment these bodies might awaken from their deep sleep. But at a given signal a giant torch is lit and it burns with a huge flame. If you stood close enough, you could well imagine hearing moans from the lips of the sleeping bodies, children sitting up and crying for their mothers. You are overwhelmed by horror and pain, but you stand there just the same without saying anything. The gangsters are standing near the ashes, shaking with satanic laughter. Their faces radiate a truly satanic satisfaction. They toasted the scene with brandy and with the choicest liqueurs, ate, caroused and had a great time warming themselves by the fire. "Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
Funny you should mention that. ;0)
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
He's still alive and in Israel. Israel won't extradite him. They say the statute of limitations has expired. But they'll still go after an old man today who was a corporal in the German army. Some collectives are more equal than others.
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
This sounds more like the funeral pyres at Dresden after the REAL holocaust there in 1945.
"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon
It's not truth until it's proven. You have yet to provide proof of gas chambers used for mass extermination.
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
What do you friggin' want? I deal in evidence every day. Confession is evidence, and the Germans confessed to using the Gas chambers; the German companies who built them provided copies of the contracts and paid damages. Eyewitness testimony is evidence. The US soldiers who entered the camps said that they had gas chambers and ovens in them. Our US Army brass gave testimony at Nuremburg as to what they found. Physical evidence is evidence. There are existing gas chambers you can go and see in Germany itself. Lack of denial is evidence of guilt. The Germans who participated in the gas chambers and ovens did not deny that they had done so. If I were a prosecutor there is not a jury in the world that would not convict based on this evidence, unless you were on it, and then it would hang 11 to 1. There is obviously nothing anyone can say or show you that will illumine you to this fact. You are a zealot on the topic.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Don't miss the point that there were other genocides that no one ever studies, makes movies about or even teaches in school. No one here is denying the Jewish holocaust. Personally, I don't argue over how many died in the Concentration Camps. My problem is that any other genocide takes the backseat to this one. And in some cases, their history has been almost completely erased, as in the case of the Poles in Katyn forest, and now the Ukraine, as in the case of millions of Christian Russians and Prussians by the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution, as in the case of the tens of millions of Russians by Stalin after the Revolution right through to WWII, as in the case of the tens of millions of Chinese by Mao, etc...
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Oh my, you found a double standard in this world. Stop the presses, bluegrass just found out the world ain't fair and some tribes are more cohesive than others. Hope it didn't shatter your illusions.
Thanks for the info. I have suspicions that some or many of the leading Neocons are related to or descended from these bastards. The name changing penchant makes it hard to research as it's intended to.
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
What point is that? That other tribes don't have an average IQ one standard deviation above the rest of the world that gives them an articulateness and allows them to get powerful positions to where their story is heard? Jews are smarter. Smarter people get farther in life. People farther in life have more attention paid to them. Get used to it.
Well, we've had our gentlemanly disagreements on this before. Not everyone in the Bolshevik regime was Jewish---I'm still not convinced that either Krupskaya or Alliluyeva (or Svanidze) was Jewish---but more than enough were, way out of proportion to their percentage in the general Russian population.
There were no gas chambers in Germany. That propaganda was refuted in the 1960's and 1970's and all the gas chambers landed in Poland where they were safe in the arms of the Jewish Communists. Wiesenthal Re-Confirms: 'No Extermination Camps on German Soil'
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
And for the exact reason I give in post #43. People need to stop acting like it's such a surprise that Jews rise to the top of political systems and power in general. It's as natural as the tides. As they intermarry and bring their cohesiveness and intellect more in line with the general population, the noticeable influence will subside. In fact if it weren't for the Nazis, this would have been mostly attained by now.
The "holocaust" is one long double-standard.
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
We're in gentlemanly agreement on this.
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."
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#11. To: bluedogtxn (#1)
BG, my grandfather was in the European theatre. He physically observed these "fictional" bone crushing machines, gas chambers, mass graves, pyramids of shoes and starved, living corpses by the hundreds.
#12. To: robin (#6)
There was a Jewish Holocaust, although the numbers have been reduced at Auschwitz to account for the gypsies, and other non-Jews.
#13. To: Horse (#9)
#14. To: bluedogtxn (#12)
My beef was with denying that it even happened
#15. To: bluedogtxn (#12)
#16. To: BTP Holdings (#11)
Let's take one of these things listed at random and discuss it. How about the "pyramids of shoes?"
#17. To: bluegrass (#14)
"The gas chamber myths..."
#18. To: bluedogtxn (#5)
The documentary evidence, photographs and millions of pages of documents; the Nuremburg trials, the volumes upon volumes of photographs and evidence you can find in any public library; the attestations of our own soldiers...
#19. To: SmokinOPs (#15)
it was a mere 4 million and it was in forced labor camps
#20. To: BTP Holdings (#18)
"...which are broadcast relentlessly in the Jewsmedia."
#21. To: bluegrass (#19)
A million or less Jews died in the "Holocaust".
#22. To: bluegrass (#19)
#23. To: bluedogtxn (#16)
Ermmm... Because you don't need shoes in either a shower or a crematoria, and the buckles don't burn, and you don't turn around and sell hundreds of thousands of women's and children's shoes when you're running a supposedly secret extermination camp.
Plus, the Germans don't deny it happened; didn't deny it happened at the time and they fucking DID it. If those accused of a monstrous, heinous crime don't actually deny their participation, when if it didn't happen, the fact of its not happening would be a perfect defense, you may logically conclude that it fucking happened.
Jeeze. You guys are nuts.
#24. To: bluegrass (#19)
"Holocaust"
#25. To: bluedogtxn (#17)
(Edited)
#26. To: bluedogtxn (#20)
"...which are broadcast relentlessly in the Jewsmedia."
#27. To: SmokinOPs (#21)
Poland
#28. To: bluegrass, bluedogtxn (#25)
I still await some type of proof from you regarding mass murder by gas chamber.
#29. To: bluegrass (#27)
Look up Solomon Morel
#30. To: SmokinOPs (#15)
You see bluedog, it was a mere 4 million and it was in forced labor camps, so that makes it all better. See it's not a heinous atrocity if you are worked and starved to death. And any exaggeration makes the story wholly suspect. The Nazis were trying really, really hard to get food for the inmates and stem the spread of disease... Scouts' honor. I mean the fact that people were placed in slave labor camps in the first place can be overlooked - the Germans were at war donchaknow.
#31. To: bluegrass (#2)
Does anyone know if he was related to Ana Pauker, the Jewish dictator of Romania?
During his life, Pauker took a series of pseudonyms, the ones used most being: Burghezul, Herman Gugenheim, Paul Lampart, Luximin, Puiu, Priu, Semionovici Marin, Stepan, and Paul Weiss.
Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.
#32. To: SmokinOPs (#24)
Oh yeah, that was fucking hilarious. Good grief.
#33. To: SmokinOPs (#24)
that was fucking hilarious.
This is the way in which he got the inferno started. He put a machine for exhuming the corpses into operation, an excavator which could dig up 3,000 corpses at one time. A fire grate made of railroad tracks was placed on concrete foundations 100 to 150 meters in length. The workers piled the corpses on the grate and set them on fire.
#34. To: SmokinOPs, bluedogtxn (#29)
some perverted sense of collective guilt.
#35. To: SmokinOPs (#29)
Those are things he and his accomplices did. You seem to have some perverted sense of collective guilt.
#36. To: bluegrass, SmokinOPs, bluedogtxn (#33)
A fire grate made of railroad tracks was placed on concrete foundations 100 to 150 meters in length. The workers piled the corpses on the grate and set them on fire.
#37. To: bluegrass, everyone here (#35)
I had not seen this one -
#38. To: bluedogtxn (#30)
But to deny the truth because you find it inconvenient or don't like Jews is another thing entirely.
#39. To: bluegrass (#25)
(Edited)
I still await some type of proof from you regarding mass murder by gas chamber
#40. To: SmokinOPs (#24)
#41. To: bluegrass (#35)
Some collectives are more equal than others.
#42. To: Tauzero (#31)
#43. To: robin (#40)
Don't miss the point that there were other genocides that no one ever studies, makes movies about or even teaches in school.
#44. To: bluegrass (#0)
#45. To: bluedogtxn (#39)
There are existing gas chambers you can go and see in Germany itself.
#46. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#44)
...was Jewish---but more than enough were, way out of proportion to their percentage in the general Russian population.
#47. To: SmokinOPs (#41)
Oh my, you found a double standard in this world.
#48. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#44)
Not everyone in the Bolshevik regime was Jewish---I'm still not convinced that either Krupskaya or Alliluyeva (or Svanidze) was Jewish---but more than enough were, way out of proportion to their percentage in the general Russian population.
#49. To: SmokinOPs (#43)
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