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Title: Meet the Bolsheviks!
Source: Original Dissent
URL Source: http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6402
Published: Apr 04, 2003
Author: Unknown
Post Date: 2006-09-12 13:15:15 by bluegrass
Ping List: *New History*
Keywords: None
Views: 7342
Comments: 224

Meet the Jewish people who murdered over 20 million innocents in Russia from 1917-onward, long before Hitler came to power. Yes, Virginia, Hitler was largely responding to that murder event with his own Holocaust, the Jewish community]. And yes, Virginia, we know that your history teacher never mentioned the Bolshevik holocaust -- neither did ours.

The few non-Jewish officials in the list below are specifically noted as being not Jewish. [Note on name spellings: Russian names are spelled differently depending upon the source, e.g., Yoffe is also spelled Ioffe and sometimes Joffe; Grigory is sometimes Grigori or even Grigorii].

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1. Vladimir I. Lenin (1870-1924): first Premier of the USSR; Marxist theoretician; a lawyer; founder of the Bolsheviks (1903); supreme dictator of early Bolshevik regime; founder of the Comintern; author of the Marxist handbook "State and Revolution"; Lenin was one-quarter Jewish, and was married to a Jewess.

2. Joseph Stalin (1879-1953): an early Bolshevik; supreme dictator of Soviet Union from 1927-1953. After V. Lenin's death, and prior to 1927, the Bolshevik regime was run by a triumvirate composed of Zinoviev, Kamenev, and Stalin. Stalin was the editor of the Bolshevik newspaper, Pravda ("Truth"). Stalin, like Lenin, was married to a Jewess. Stalin was not a vigorous supporter of forcing Communism upon other countries -- unlike Trotsky -- a feature which likely prevented a Soviet assault upon various Western countries. [Not Jewish]

3. Leon Trotsky (aka Bronstein) (1879-1940): Trotsky was a Menshevik; was Commissar of Foreign Affairs; supreme commander of the Soviet Red Army; member of Politburo; he rebelled against Stalin and his supporters and was murdered by Stalin for that reason. Trotsky strongly advocated the idea of global -- not simply local -- Marxist revolution.

4. Lazar M. Kaganovich (1893-1991): a prime director of mass-murder for Stalin; held a series of vocations, including commissar of transport, heavy industry and the fuel industry; a Politburo member; he was Stalin's brother-in-law and also his chief advisor; many execution orders bore Kaganovich's signature [1], evidence that he had the power to order the deaths of civilians [2]. During the 1930s, he was in charge of the deportations of "enemies of the state" to Siberia; was nicknamed the "Wolf of the Kremlin" because of his penchant for violence. He was considered by many to be the most powerful and important man under Stalin. Died of old age in Moscow.

5. Grigory Zinoviev (aka Apfelbaum; aka Radomyslsky) (1883-1936): great pal of Lenin; member of the Central Committee; chairman of the Comintern; member of Politburo; executive of secret police; first president of the Third International; A. Lunacharsky called him "one of the principal counsellors of our Central Committee and (he) belongs unquestionably to the four or five men who constitute the political brain of the Party."

6. Grigori Y. Sokolnikov (1888-1939): a Bolshevik; friend of Trotsky; Commissar of Finance; a diplomat; member of the "Left Opposition"; Soviet ambassador to England; creator of the "chervonetz," the first stable Soviet currency; was part of "Russian" delegation that signed the Brest-Litovsk treaty in 1918; member of the Central Committee and Politburo.

7. Moisei Uritsky (1873-1918): Uritsky was a Menshevik; chief of the Petrograd Cheka, in which capacity he ordered many people who opposed Communism to be executed as "counter-revolutionaries"; Commissar for Internal Affairs in the Northern Region; the commissar of the Constituent Assembly; member of the Central Committee; a member of the "Revolutionary Military Center."

8. Felix Dzherzhinsky (1877-1926): a Pole; a high-strung fanatic; founder/director of the Cheka (All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage), which was later renamed the State Political Directorate (GPU), which later became the OGPU and then the NKVD (Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs); member, Central Committee; Commissar of Transport. [Not Jewish, but philosemitic].

9. Maxim Litvinov (aka Wallakh) (1876-1951): Soviet foreign minister/diplomat/ambassador; in 1933, he persuaded the United States to recognize the Communist Soviet government as "legit" -- thanks, in part, to America's president F. D. Roosevelt being part-Jewish; first chairman, State Committee on the Anthem (official musical anthems).

10. Lavrenti Beria (1899-1953): member of the Cheka; later became head of the Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD) in Georgia, then later the NKVD proper. Beria had large numbers of prisoners executed [3]; was involved in the Atomic Bomb project in the USSR; [Rumored by some to be a crypto-Jew; other sources insist he was not Jewish, but philosemitic].

11. Yakov (Jacob) Sverdlov (aka Solomon) (1885-1919): member, "Revolutionary Military Center"; member, Central Committee; close buddy of Lenin; aided Lenin with Lenin's political theories; Sverdlov ordered the massacre of the Czar's family in 1918. Sverdlov succeeded Kamenev and became the second Jewish president of the so-called "Soviet Republic."

12. Sergei M. Kirov (1886-1934); early Bolshevik; member of the Politburo; Secretary of the Central Committee; Communist Party boss in Leningrad. Stalin used Kirov’s murder in 1934 to justify the party purges and treason trials of the late 1930s. [Apparently not Jewish].

13. Nikolai V. Krylenko (1885-1938): an early Bolshevik; member of editorial board of Pravda; member of the executive committee of the Petrograd Soviet; famous chess player; member of the Communist Party Central Committee; a military commissar; as President of the Supreme Tribunal he prosecuted most political trials in the 1920s; in 1931, Stalin appointed Krylenko Commissar of Justice; he was involved in the convictions of many Communist Party members during the Great Purges. [Not Jewish]

14. Karl Radek (aka Sobelsohn) (1885-1939); early revolutionary; old confidante of Lenin; member of the Central Committee; an "international" Communist activist; a key player in the creation of the Comintern; a writer for the Soviet government newspaper Izvestia; participated in the Brest-Litovsk peace negotiations with Germany; he also was active in Germany, working with Jewish-German Communist Rosa Luxemburg.

15. Viacheslav I. Molotov (1890-1986): early Bolshevik; helped found Pravda newspaper; head of the Ukrainian Communist Party; member of the Politburo; Commissar for Foreign Affairs; headed a Politburo commission to "eliminate the kulaks as a class." [Apparently not Jewish but philosemitic; his wife was Jewish, named Zhemchuzina].

16. Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko (1884-1939): a former Menshevik; Chief of Political Administration of the Red Army; an unofficial ambassador to Czechoslovakia and Poland; Commissar for Military Affairs in Petrograd; Commissar of War; led the Red Army invasion of the Ukraine; led the attack on the Winter Palace; editor of the Menshevik "Nashe Slovo" newspaper.

17. Yakov (Jacob) Yurovsky (y/b/d unknown): head of Ekaterinburg Cheka; "Commissar of Justice" for Ural Regional Soviet; the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murders of Czar Nicholas II and his family in 1918. The murder of mild-mannered Nicholas was carried out almost completely by Jews, including Goloshchekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Voikov, in addition to Yurovsky.

18. Grigory Sergo Ordzhonikidze (1886-1937); member of the Politburo; Commissar for Heavy Industry; helped solidify Bolshevik power in Armenia and Georgia; Chairman of the Caucasus Central Committee of the Communist Party; First Secretary of the Transcaucasian Communist Party Committee; Chairman of the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party; became Stalin's top economic official. [Apparently not Jewish].

19. Genrikh (Henry) Yagoda (1891-1938); a Polish Jew; former Cheka member; an officer in SMERSH, the Ninth Division of the OGPU, its liquidation arm; People's Commissar of Internal Affairs; chief of the NKVD; also in charge of gulag forced-labor camps. Developing fast-acting poisons was a Yagoda hobby; he created a laboratory for that purpose.

20. Lev Kamenev (aka Rosenfeld) (1883-1936); member of the Central Committee; Chairman of the Moscow Soviet; member of Politburo; author of Marxist handbook "The Dictatorship of the Proletariat," 1920; was elected first President of new Bolshevik government, aka "Soviet Republic" [Lenin was Premier]; was married to Trotsky's sister.

21. Anatoly V. Lunacharsky (1875-1933); an early Marxist; Commissar for Education and Enlightenment; League of Nations ambassador; key player in persuading Russian workers to support the Bolshevik Revolution; was an author - wrote the "Revolutionary Silhouettes" of top Bolshevik pals; [Apparently not Jewish].

22. Fedor (Theodore) Dan (1871-1947): was a Menshevik; was a member of the editorial board of the Menshevik journal "Iskra"; was author of the book "The Origins of Bolshevism" (1943), where he claimed that Bolshevism had been chosen by history to be "the carrier of socialism"; but he was actually an opponent of most Bolshevik ideas; he was sent into exile in 1921 after being arrested; he was married to Menshevik leader Julius Martov's sister.

23. Nikolai Bukharin (1888-1938): Lenin's chief Marxist theorist; general secretary/chairman of the Comintern; member of the Politburo; member, Central Committee; he was editor of Pravda and also Izvestia, a political newspaper; led, with Rykov, the "Right Opposition" to defend the NEP [New Economic Policy]; [Apparently not Jewish].

24. Nikolai Yezhov (1895-1939): early Bolshevik; served in various capacities in the Cheka, GPU, and OGPU; was military commissar in various Red Army units; was G. Yagoda's deputy; People's Commissar of Internal Affairs; head of NKVD; was deputy People's Commissar of Agriculture for the USSR.

25. Mikhail I. Kalinin (1875-1946); early Bolshevik; cofounder of the newspaper Pravda; nominal, "puppet" president of Soviet Union until 1946; replaced Sverdlov as Chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of the Communist Party; Chairman of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR.

26. Isaac Steinberg (y/b/d unknown); Commissar of Justice. Later brought Jewish-flavored radicalism to Australia.

27. Alexei Rykov (1881-1938); Premier of Soviet Union until 1930; member of Lenin's Politburo; Commissar of the Interior; Chairman of the Supreme Council of National Economy; Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars; led the "Right Opposition" with Bukharin to defend the NEP [New Economic Policy].

28. Matvei D. Berman (y/b/d unknown): chief of gulag system and Deputy Commissar of the NKVD; brother of Boris.

29. Naftaly Frenkel (y/b/d unknown): a director of the gulag prison camp system; Turkish-born; was works chief/chief overseer of the one-hundred-and-forty-mile-long Belomor (Baltic-White Sea) canal project in Russia, a canal linking the White Sea and the Baltic, built from 1931–34; it was created entirely with slave labor; 60,000 workers died building the canal, the project having a mortality rate of roughly 10%.

30. Adolph Yoffe (aka Ioffe) (1883-1927): Commissar of Foreign Affairs; ex-Menshevik; close friend of Trotsky's; helped publish the Pravda newspaper; delegate at the Brest-Litovsk peace negotiations; member of the State General Planning Commission; was later Soviet ambassador to China, Japan and Austria.

31. Lev Inzhir (y/b/d/ unknown): chief accountant for the gulag prison system.

32. Boris Berman ( -1938): served as the Byelorussian NKVD's Commissar until 1938; brother of Matvei.

33. K. V. Pauker (y/b/d unknown): head of the Operations Department of the NKVD.

34. Aleksandr Orlov (aka L. Feldbin) (1898-1970): member of the Cheka; advisor to Spanish Communists in Spain; commander, Soviet Red Army; later worked at the Law School of the University of Michigan in America (!).

35. Ilya Ehrenburg (1891-1967): Soviet propaganda minister during WWII; delegate for Moscow in the Supreme Soviet; Communist writer; organizing member of JAC [Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee]; worked for Izvestia newspaper; performed research regarding Spain for the NKVD; author of book "The Ninth Wave," and winner of two Stalin Prizes.


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Mass Grave of Massacred Poles Found in Ukraine: "Unofficial estimates put the number of bodies in the grave at 200,000 to 300,000. "
That would be the work of Kaganovich. This story has been hidden from three generations of Americans. All the while, those three generations have been endlessly harangued with Yiddish fairy tales about a fictional "Holocaust", complete with bone-crushing machines and huge underground gas chambers.

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#35. To: SmokinOPs (#29)

Those are things he and his accomplices did. You seem to have some perverted sense of collective guilt.

He's still alive and in Israel. Israel won't extradite him. They say the statute of limitations has expired. But they'll still go after an old man today who was a corporal in the German army.

Some collectives are more equal than others.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: bluegrass, SmokinOPs, bluedogtxn (#33)

A fire grate made of railroad tracks was placed on concrete foundations 100 to 150 meters in length. The workers piled the corpses on the grate and set them on fire.

This sounds more like the funeral pyres at Dresden after the REAL holocaust there in 1945.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   14:33:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: bluegrass, everyone here (#35)

I had not seen this one -

Lod  posted on  2006-09-12   14:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: bluedogtxn (#30)

But to deny the truth because you find it inconvenient or don't like Jews is another thing entirely.

It's not truth until it's proven. You have yet to provide proof of gas chambers used for mass extermination.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: bluegrass (#25) (Edited)

I still await some type of proof from you regarding mass murder by gas chamber

What do you friggin' want?

I deal in evidence every day. Confession is evidence, and the Germans confessed to using the Gas chambers; the German companies who built them provided copies of the contracts and paid damages.

Eyewitness testimony is evidence. The US soldiers who entered the camps said that they had gas chambers and ovens in them. Our US Army brass gave testimony at Nuremburg as to what they found.

Physical evidence is evidence. There are existing gas chambers you can go and see in Germany itself.

Lack of denial is evidence of guilt. The Germans who participated in the gas chambers and ovens did not deny that they had done so.

If I were a prosecutor there is not a jury in the world that would not convict based on this evidence, unless you were on it, and then it would hang 11 to 1.

There is obviously nothing anyone can say or show you that will illumine you to this fact. You are a zealot on the topic.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-12   14:35:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: SmokinOPs (#24)

Don't miss the point that there were other genocides that no one ever studies, makes movies about or even teaches in school.

No one here is denying the Jewish holocaust. Personally, I don't argue over how many died in the Concentration Camps. My problem is that any other genocide takes the backseat to this one. And in some cases, their history has been almost completely erased, as in the case of the Poles in Katyn forest, and now the Ukraine, as in the case of millions of Christian Russians and Prussians by the Bolsheviks during the Russian Revolution, as in the case of the tens of millions of Russians by Stalin after the Revolution right through to WWII, as in the case of the tens of millions of Chinese by Mao, etc...

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-12   14:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: bluegrass (#35)

Some collectives are more equal than others.

Oh my, you found a double standard in this world. Stop the presses, bluegrass just found out the world ain't fair and some tribes are more cohesive than others. Hope it didn't shatter your illusions.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   14:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Tauzero (#31)

Thanks for the info. I have suspicions that some or many of the leading Neocons are related to or descended from these bastards. The name changing penchant makes it hard to research as it's intended to.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:40:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: robin (#40)

Don't miss the point that there were other genocides that no one ever studies, makes movies about or even teaches in school.

What point is that? That other tribes don't have an average IQ one standard deviation above the rest of the world that gives them an articulateness and allows them to get powerful positions to where their story is heard?

Jews are smarter. Smarter people get farther in life. People farther in life have more attention paid to them. Get used to it.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   14:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: bluegrass (#0)

Well, we've had our gentlemanly disagreements on this before. Not everyone in the Bolshevik regime was Jewish---I'm still not convinced that either Krupskaya or Alliluyeva (or Svanidze) was Jewish---but more than enough were, way out of proportion to their percentage in the general Russian population.

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   14:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: bluedogtxn (#39)

There are existing gas chambers you can go and see in Germany itself.

There were no gas chambers in Germany. That propaganda was refuted in the 1960's and 1970's and all the gas chambers landed in Poland where they were safe in the arms of the Jewish Communists.

Wiesenthal Re-Confirms: 'No Extermination Camps on German Soil'

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#44)

...was Jewish---but more than enough were, way out of proportion to their percentage in the general Russian population.

And for the exact reason I give in post #43. People need to stop acting like it's such a surprise that Jews rise to the top of political systems and power in general. It's as natural as the tides. As they intermarry and bring their cohesiveness and intellect more in line with the general population, the noticeable influence will subside. In fact if it weren't for the Nazis, this would have been mostly attained by now.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   14:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: SmokinOPs (#41)

Oh my, you found a double standard in this world.

The "holocaust" is one long double-standard.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#44)

Not everyone in the Bolshevik regime was Jewish---I'm still not convinced that either Krupskaya or Alliluyeva (or Svanidze) was Jewish---but more than enough were, way out of proportion to their percentage in the general Russian population.

We're in gentlemanly agreement on this.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: SmokinOPs (#43)

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: bluedogtxn (#39)

Lack of denial is evidence of guilt.

Good thing denial is illegal in many places.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   14:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: SmokinOPs (#43)

Jews are smarter.

If Jews are smarter, why do they keep getting kicked out of every place they've ever been?

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: SmokinOPs (#46)

People need to stop acting like it's such a surprise that Jews rise to the top of political systems and power in general.

Bit of a catch-22 don't you think?

Their eminence is noted, and then the fact of that notice is jumped upon.

Perhaps it would help if other people stopped smelling Zyklon B whenever the fact of eminence is noted.

It's as natural as the tides.

Yes indeed -- just like the periodic expulsions of Jews from various European countries.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   14:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Tauzero, bluedogtxn (#50)

Lack of denial is evidence of guilt.

I missed this one. That means Jesus was guilty of what he was charged with.

"Stiff-necked and thin-skinned is no way to go through life, son."

bluegrass  posted on  2006-09-12   14:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: SmokinOPs (#43)

What point is that? That other tribes don't have an average IQ one standard deviation above the rest of the world that gives them an articulateness and allows them to get powerful positions to where their story is heard?

Jews are smarter. Smarter people get farther in life. People farther in life have more attention paid to them. Get used to it.

Try again.

When the Jews arrived on Ellis Island they were considered subnormal IQ.

Any culture that puts money and position above anything else and has help from a network will get ahead in a country that embraces immigrants and has a rule of law that protects all.

The same thing is happening with the asians.

We are fools to allow other cultures to erase our own, but that is what is happening.

Nepotism among these ethno-centric groups is sky-high. They help each other and screw the rest. Wow, America is a paradise for such people.

And, in many cases they have help from back home to get started here. Failing that they burn down their business and collect the insurance $$. That's is a well-documented scam among many recent immigrants, especially asians.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-12   14:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: bluedogtxn (#16)

I have a recording of Hitler's address to the Alte Kämpfer veterans of the Beer Hall Putsch delivered in Munich in November 1942, days before the Sixth Army was cut off in Stalingrad.

It's clear from cryptic remarks Hitler made in the speech, in a voice dripping with malice, that Jews were meeting some unnamed awful fate at the time.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-12   15:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: bluegrass (#51)

If Jews are smarter, why do they keep getting kicked out of every place they've ever been?

Same reason small-town shopkeeps don't want big-box retailers moving in: because they can't or don't want to compete.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: SmokinOPs (#43)

Jews are smarter.

Smarter, or more devious and cunning?

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   15:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: robin (#54)

When the Jews arrived on Ellis Island they were considered subnormal IQ.

I guess they were wrong, although you'll dismiss all evidence contrary I'm sure.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: BTP Holdings (#57)

Smarter, or more devious and cunning?

One allows for the others.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: bluegrass (#51)

If Jews are smarter, why do they keep getting kicked out of every place they've ever been?

No Jew will forthrightly answer that question.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   15:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: SmokinOPs (#46)

And for the exact reason I give in post #43. People need to stop acting like it's such a surprise that Jews rise to the top of political systems and power in general. It's as natural as the tides. As they intermarry and bring their cohesiveness and intellect more in line with the general population, the noticeable influence will subside. In fact if it weren't for the Nazis, this would have been mostly attained by now.

I don't have a argument with you about Jewish capability. What bothers me about the disproportionate numbers of Jews in the Bolshevik government is their abandonment of fundamental traditional morality---"bourgeois" morality, as they called it. Remember what Hillel said: "In a place where there are no men, strive to be a man."

You might as well make the same extenuating remarks about the Germans: "They're about the most technically advanced and militarily capable people in the world---of course they're gonna kill tens of millions of people when they go to war."

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   15:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: bluegrass (#53)

That means Jesus was guilty of what he was charged with.

There goes the 5th amendment.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   15:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: robin (#54)

We are fools to allow other cultures to erase our own

And what culture would that be: McDonald's, Wal-mart, Desperate Housewives on the tube for you?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:04:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#61)

What bothers me about the disproportionate numbers of Jews in the Bolshevik government is their abandonment of fundamental traditional morality

And this is different from other totalitarian regimes abandonment of morality in what way?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: robin (#54)

The same thing is happening with the asians.

The Jews (semites) came out of Asia and have always hated the white man.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-12   15:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Tauzero (#62)

There goes the 5th amendment.

The court of history has neither a Fifth Amendment nor a presumption of innocence.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-12   15:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: SmokinOPs (#59)

One allows for the others.

So this means they are naturally more treacherous? Thought so. ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   15:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#61)

The Jews in Russia overreacted to Tsarist persecution. The Germans overreacted to defeat in World War One and the Great Depression.

Both were wrong.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-12   15:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: SmokinOPs (#64)

And this is different from other totalitarian regimes abandonment of morality in what way?

Not different. Not worse. Not better. Bad. That's all.

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   15:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Tauzero, bluegrass (#62)

That means Jesus was guilty of what he was charged with.

There goes the 5th amendment.

I guess that means we are all coke addicts, even if there is no proof of surgery for a deviated septum. Oh, wait, Clintoon had one of those. LOL

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-12   15:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: aristeides (#68)

The Jews in Russia overreacted to Tsarist persecution. The Germans overreacted to defeat in World War One and the Great Depression.

Both were wrong.

You almost always go wrong when you overreact. Take it from one who knows... ;)

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-09-12   15:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: BTP Holdings (#67)

So this means they are naturally more treacherous?

No more so than any other group that has higher capabilities than the surrounding population. Does this mean the British are naturally more treacherous because they were able to subdue primitive African tribes? Or were European settlers in America more naturally treacherous because they were able to conquer disparate factions of Indians?

You act as if you've stumbled upon some answer to a Cosmic question no one else noticed. Well don't pat yourself on the back. It's pretty much known that cohesive collectives are able to dominate groups of lesser ability and cohesiveness.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-12   15:16:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: aristeides (#66)

The court of history has neither a Fifth Amendment nor a presumption of innocence.

The rules of evidence don't matter if you provide the historians.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   15:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: SmokinOPs (#72)

It's pretty much known that cohesive collectives are able to dominate groups of lesser ability and cohesiveness.

It's "old news" then?

Known to whom?

Every 20 years or so a naive member of the American academy comes forward with evidence that blacks Americans really are less intelligent and more violent than white Americans. He's promptly run out of the academy.

Then the next guy comes along and thinks he's discovered something new.

And we all know who are disproportionately members of the academy.

If this feature of cohesive collectives is "old news", surely it is "old news" to this highly intelligent sub-population of the academy.

The subsequent running-out-of-the-academy seems curious, and bears investigating.


Es ist ein Ros entsprungen
Aus einer Wurzel zart.
Wie uns die Alten sungen,
Von Jesse kam die Art
Und hat ein Blümlein bracht,
Mitten im kalten Winter,
Wohl zu der halben Nacht.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-12   15:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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