4um: Jews attack leading alternative 9/11 scholar Dr. Steven Jones

Title: Jews attack leading alternative 9/11 scholar Dr. Steven Jones
Source: http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16004
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Published: Sep 14, 2006
Author: Tad Walch
Post Date: 2006-09-14 06:11:04 by bluegrass
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PROVO — Stung by what he said are false accusations of anti-Semitism, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven Jones said Wednesday he has decided to stop talking about who might have been behind what he has alleged was government involvement in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"That's what I've resolved for the future, even when pushed," Jones told the Deseret Morning News. "I'll stick with the science, thank you."

Jones began last year to research the physics behind the way the World Trade Center towers fell. Disturbed by the remarkable speed with which they fell and emboldened by his own experiments on ground zero materials, he developed a hypothesis that the collapse of the towers was aided by pre-positioned demolition charges. He later began to say the charges must have been set by a group inside the U.S. government.

BYU placed Jones on paid leave last week, in part for what it called "the increasingly speculative and accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

The action came two days after Jones appeared on KUER-FM 90.1's respected news talk show "Radio West." On the show, he said it appeared responsibility for the attacks rested with Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and an "international banking cartel."

The statement drew immediate response from Jews who said they were offended because references to international banking have for decades been used by anti-Semitic groups as codespeak to blame Jews for various problems. Hitler often blamed "international financiers" for Germany's debt after World War I.

A spokesman for the Anti-Defamation League said he will recommend in a committee meeting tomorrow that the ADL send a letter to BYU complaining about the comments and expressing concern that such comments might be made by Jones in his classes. BYU relieved Jones of his teaching load this semester while it conducts a formal review of his research and statements.

"Wow, I don't know if he could be any clearer," said Jonathan Bernstein, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League for California, Utah and Hawaii. "This is the language we hear from David Duke and other hatemongers who want to scapegoat Jews."

Jones was flummoxed by the accusation, saying he was "startled" when told the phrase carried anti-Semitic overtones. He wasn't sure where he got the phrase because he was referring to the work of Webster Tarpley, a historian and member of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth, a group co-founded by Jones. Tarpley refers only to a shadowy, rogue network, not to international bankers.

"I'll name them as Tarpley names them," Jones said on KUER. "Wolfowitz and Perle, in particular — they do happen to be neocons — but there is a much larger group behind these (attacks) which is the international banking cartel which controls trillions of dollars and which has an interest in controlling countries in the Middle East which are not under their control."

Jones said his reference to international banking might have been influenced by Cleon Skousen, a former BYU instructor and author who claimed international bankers were behind the rise of communism and fascism. Jones shared his research on 9/11 at Skousen's home in the fall of 2005 before Skousen died.

Jones said he regrets talking about who might have been behind the attacks and from now on will leave that investigation to Tarpley and other members of the self-named "9/11 truth movement." "In the past, numerous times I deferred to those experts," Jones said. "This time I said, in my opinion, (Tarpley's) right. But I also think that's way outside the research I specialize in. I think it's smarter to leave the tasks of who should be investigated to those who specialize in those things."

Instead, he'll concentrate on his research about evidence from ground zero and the intriguing, unsettled questions about why the third World Trade Center building, Building Seven, fell later on Sept. 11 without being struck by a plane. A report by the National Institute of Standards and Technology is due early next year.

Jones contends measurements he took of a sample of the molten metal found under all three buildings show it is not aluminum from the planes nor structural steel.

"I can be proven wrong," Jones said. "I accept that. But whoever does it will have to explain this molten metal to me, and especially all the barium found. That's nasty stuff that's not going to be used in a building."

"I had no idea this would be some sort of codespeak for anti-Semitism," Jones said. "It is not right to link such a group to Jews."

Salt Lake Valley resident Scott Klepper said Jones' statements were hurtful. "As a Jew, I view Jones' unsubstantiated conclusion as an affront to the Jewish community, to BYU and to real researchers and academics." Subscribe to *Hasbarfa Alert*

cyni, there's also one where he's butt up in a mosque. iiatl, can you find that pic?

Mr. Bernstein, yours is the language of someone who is trying to stop a witness from testifying.

Could the ADL be more ham-handed? I've known 6 year olds with better skills in deception. The ADL is so transparent.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

The ADL and its ilk played the "David Duke card" with Walt and Mearshimer too. That guy deserves to be paid by them for all the times the ADL invokes his name for the sake of the its agenda.

lol! It's funny 'cause someone here was complaining that Duke hasn't connected 9/11 to Mossad. I'm not even sure if that's accurate. But if it is, then you could be correct!

*SIGH!* Yes, there're some who are kind of "mirror images" of the ADL: whereas the ADL has people like Jones mentioning the Jews in connection with 9/11 even when he's not mentioning them, for its "mirror image" types, if you're not mentioning the Jews in connection with something, you're covering up for them... (But goodness knows, there's no one like that here... ;))

JT, do you know if Silverstein was paid under this policy for the 9/11 collapse? Do you know which coverage provision? I'd really like to know if he had a "terrorist acts" coverage provision for 7 as well as 1 & 2---were they all insured under the same policy? Was there a finding---by the insurer or a court---that 7 was destroyed as a result of a "terrorist act"? I think the answers to those questions bear significantly on the overall puzzle that 9/11 Truth is trying to solve.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

this is an absolutely disgusting and flagrant smearing of Stephen Jones by this ADL scum.

i thought i remembered seeing a photograph of bush visiting a mosque and assuming the position of worship?

Jury boosts insurance payout for WTC lessor

The Record (Bergen County, NJ); 12/7/2004; LARRY NEUMEISTER, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

The Record (Bergen County, NJ)

12-07-2004

Jury boosts insurance payout for WTC lessor -- Splits 9/11 attack into 2 occurrences
By LARRY NEUMEISTER, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Date: 12-07-2004, Tuesday
Section: NEWS
Edtion: All Editions.=.Two Star B. Two Star P. One Star B

A jury's finding Monday that the Sept. 11 attack by two hijacked planes on the World Trade Center was two occurrences for insurance purposes provides an extra $1.1 billion, ensuring "a timely and complete rebuild" of the destroyed complex, its leaseholder says.

The conclusion by the jury of nine women and two men in U.S. District Court in Manhattan left Larry Silverstein "thrilled with today's victory" as he works to re-create lower Manhattan with buildings including the world's tallest at 1,776 feet.

"This is a win for all New Yorkers," Silverstein said in a statement released shortly after the late afternoon verdict.

The trial boosted Silverstein's potential payout to $4.6 billion, well above the $3.5 billion for which he had actually insured the trade center. It fell short of the $7 billion he had once hoped to collect.

Silverstein might have qualified for more, but he lost a bid earlier this year to convince another jury that some of the 24 insurance companies holding the bulk of the coverage were not bound by an insurance document defining the attack as one event.

The trial, which ended Monday after 11 days of deliberations, was the first in which jurors were asked to decide whether the terrorist attack that killed 2,749 people could be considered two attacks since two planes hit two separate towers.

At stake in the trial was a potential addition of $1.1 billion to the overall trade center policy held by nine insurers.

To collect the extra money and boost the total payout to $4.6 billion, Silverstein still must go to a three-person appraisal panel, and the insurers are also expected to appeal the decision.

In his statement, Silverstein said the extra money will make it easier to meet rebuilding goals, including construction of the Freedom Tower, the world's tallest building, by 2009.

"I strongly felt, and the jury agreed, that the destruction of the twin towers by two separate airplanes at two separate times was two separate occurrences and that these insurers have an obligation to pay their fair share to help make lower Manhattan whole again," he said.

Regardless of the insurance payout, Silverstein and redevelopment officials have promised to rebuild the trade center complex in the next decade, including 10 million square feet of office space, a memorial and cultural buildings.

The insurance companies involved in the case were: Travelers Indemnity Co., Industrial Risk Insurers, Royal Indemnity Co., Allianz Insurance Co., Tokio Marine and Fire Insurance Co., Twin City Fire Insurance Co., Tig Insurance Co., Westfield WTC LLC and Zurich American Insurance Co. Their lawyers declined to comment after the verdict.

In her closing argument, lawyer Carolyn H. Williams argued on behalf of the companies that the hijacked planes were like guided missiles and that the insurance payout should not depend on whether terrorists used "one or two or 10 or 100 weapons."

Williams also declined to comment after the verdict.

On behalf of Silverstein, attorney Bernard Nussbaum said there was precedent in the insurance industry to find the terrorism was two events. A California case concluded that four separate insurance events occurred when an arsonist set four separate fires, including two six minutes apart in courthouses 200 yards apart.

Illustrations/Photos: PHOTO - LARRY SILVERSTEIN
Keywords: NEW YORK CITY, TERRORISM, INSURANCE

Copyright ¿ 2004 Bergen Record Corp. All rights reserved.

32;32;NEW YORK, May 08, 2003, (A. M. Best via COMTEX) -- A lawsuit filed by Silverstein Properties Inc. against Industrial Risk Insurers over how much the company owes to rebuild 7 World Trade Center is "premature and unwarranted," the insurer said.

Silverstein Properties bought an actual cash value policy to cover five buildings from IRI, a unit of General Electric Co.'s Employers Reinsurance Corp. Larry Silverstein, president and chief executive officer of Silverstein Properties, assigned a value of $848 million to all five of the properties in May 2001, said ERC spokesman Dean Davison.

That's the cost Silverstein said he'd need to replace all of the facilities, including the rental stream, and "now he's seeking that amount and more for one property," Davison said. The five buildings were 570 Seventh Ave., 529 Fifth Ave., 120 Wall St., a building in Stanford, Conn., and 7 World Trade Center, which caught fire and collapsed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorism on the Twin Towers.

So far, IRI has paid $440 million under the terms of the policy and hasn't taken a final position on any aspect of the claim, he said. "We will pay what we owe on this claim," he said, adding that the contract was negotiated in good faith.

Silverstein to be reimbursed $98M of WTC investment.(Larry Silverstein )

Larry Silverstein reportedly will be reimbursed much of his reserve funds he invested six weeks before terrorist slammed jets into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center. The New York Times reported Nov. 22 that Silverstein and his co-investors would receive $98 million, about 80 percent of the $125 million they invested in equity in 2001. The 99-year lease with the Port Authority was valued at $3.2 billion. The investors along with the Port Authority, who owned the buildings, are using insurance proceeds to pay off GMAC Commercial Mortgage Corporation, Silverstein's lender, a reported sum of $563 million.

Silverstein and his partners will retain their 99-year lease and play a large part in the redesigning of the area. A new collaborative design for the Freedom Tower, the brainchild of architects David Childs and Daniel Libeskind, is scheduled for release next month.

Howard Rubenstein, a spokesman for Silverstein, released a statement the day the Times article appeared, saying that Silverstein was rightfully entitled to the funds he used as collateral for a loan to make a down payment on his lease.

"The GMAC reserves that are being returned to his companies were established to secure the GMAC mortgage loan," Rubenstein said. "Now that the mortgage loan has been satisfied, there is no reason for the security for that loan to remain tied up in escrow accounts earning minimal interest."

According to Rubenstein, the days of Silverstein seeing a return on his Ground Zero investment are a long time in the future.

"When it comes time to refinance the project, Mr. Silverstein's companies likely will have to put up the same or more amounts of security for those new loans," Rubenstein said. "In the interim, as part of his agreement with the Port Authority, Mr. Silverstein is committing 100 percent of all future business interruption proceeds to the project. As a result of this commitment, Mr. Silverstein and his investors likely will not see any return for a decade."

Following the Times article, a state judge issued a gag order on all participants in the anticipated deal. PA spokesman Greg Trevor declined to comment, citing the gag order. Silverstein has been deadlocked in a battle with the trade center insurers since the attacks. The leaseholder claims the two planes striking the towers constituted two separate disasters and should result accordingly in a $7 billion insurance payout. The insurers claim the strikes were one disaster and are offering $3.5 million.

The insurers have paid out about $1.9 billion to date.

The Times also reported the Port Authority has reached an agreement to buy out Westfield America, which operated the retail mall at the trade center, for $140 million.

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Would it help if I designed an award that you could be first ever winner of? Excellence in Freedom Award, how's that grab ya? Can I borrow six hundred dollars for a gaudy trophy? Fifty-one seveteen for a nice plaque?

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Bush: 'America Has Declared War on Terrorism, Not Islam'

White House
18/09/2001

President Bush Monday moved to reassure Muslim Americans that he will not tolerate racist attacks in response to last week's terrorism in Washington and New York.

President Bush met with leaders of the Muslim American Society in Washington, saying their rights must be protected from anti-Islamic sentiments following Tuesday's attacks. Mr. Bush said it is important that Americans understand that violence against innocent people violates the fundamental tenets of Islam. "The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam," the president said. "That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war."

Anti-Islamic violence in the United States has been on the rise since last week's violence. Police in Arizona suspect the shooting death of an Indian immigrant Saturday was racially motivated, as the man arrested for the murder shouted, "I stand for America all the way." A Moroccan gas station attendant was attacked in the state of Illinois. Police arrested a man in Seattle, Washington, who allegedly tried to set fire to a mosque.

President Bush said Muslim Americans are grieving for the victims of last week's violence just like everyone else in the country. He said the anger and emotion following the attacks must not be taken out on Muslim Americans.

"Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't represent the best of America. They represent the worst of humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior," Mr. Bush said. "This is a great country. It's a great country because we share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth. And it is my honor to be meeting with leaders who feel the same way I do. They are outraged. They are sad. They love America just as much as I do."

Attendance at some mosques is down more than 50 percent since the attacks, as some Muslim Americans fear to leave their homes. President Bush said everyone in America must be treated with respect. "Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must not be intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not the America I value," he said.

FBI director Robert Mueller said his bureau is investigating about 40 hate crimes against Arab-Americans since last week's attack. He said the agency will prosecute anyone found responsible. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has set up a telephone hotline, so victims of anti-Arab or Anti-Muslim hate crimes can report them

Jones may be a good scientist but he is no leader. Leaders don’t run when the enemy starts firing back, they stand their ground and fight back. What he said was more than likely correct, although there were definitely many elements of the attack 9/11 that had absolutely nothing to do with "Jews" or Israel. I do think Israel as a nation had the most to gain, but certain criminal elements (possibly backed by corporations) within our government also had a significant role, as well as our own military. Israel and its supporters may have great influence over many affairs in the USA, but I highly doubt even they have infiltrated the US military to any significant degree.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

Hundreds, including the Falwell-types, but would only need about 50 in the key positions.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Had to look it up.. Perhaps Taz can further translate the response as it applies to JT's post. Want to keep things in context and common language.

That's "goyishe kopf" --- for head. (Yiddish is actually an old German dialect with a smattering of Hebrew mixed in; this "kopf" is the same word you can find in occasional English imports from modern German like "dummkopf").

I somehow forgot this little anecdote that kicked off Steven Pinker's lecture the other night. I don't have the details down exactly, but basically Pinker was talking about his grandfather who owned a garment factory where they made neckties. One day Pinker's father went to visit him and was told he was in a backroom. There Pinker's father saw the grandfather working on fabric with a sewing machine. He asked him what he was doing. He was working on the cut-out remnants of fabric and "if I sew them a certain way I can get a few exta ties out of the lot." Ok, said his father, but why are you doing this rather than one of your workers. The grandfather looked at him, poked a finger to his head, and said "Goyishe Kopf" - Gentile brains!

The story gives a flavor of the kind of audience Pinker was addressing - it's telling that several of the older audience members around me laughed at the "Goyishe Kopf" - they didn't need to wait for the translation. I think part of Pinker's message with the story was to set the table for the audience that the idea of superior Ashkenazi intelligence should be nothing shocking - they all know it already even if they don't admit it.

And in this context I suppose I mean to say that some of them take it very seriously. Implacably so.

So your comment to JT of "goyishe kopf", which when I interpret the information I looked to and posted to mean, 'dumb gentile', you seem to say, it translates to taking something so serious, they are relentless in their curiousity..

Am I understanding that right? If so, does that imply only dumb gentiles take such things seriously? I'm seriously trying to get the context right.. AND, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, only translate the ones from them to the post.

Dumb goy is indeed the meaning of the term. It's a term more people should know about, IMO. Among others.

That's what I thought from the beginning, but wanted to make sure I understood it in the proper context.

It was a public post, and I was curious as to what you meant. It was not clear if the 'comment' was directed to JT or to the articles author. Based on your responses, it clear it was not directed to the author, how JT took it (or cared to) I don't know.. I only pinged him since the response was directed to him, and thought it was proper protocal.

What would be easier in the future, to be direct and avoid confusion, would be to say what you mean. All this beating around the bush has been educational though. Now it seems like a sneaky drive by insult, and it just didn't sail over the head of another 'goyishe kopf'.

Which is why I asked what it meant, and how it was meant, and to whom it was directed.

***LEAP***

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Jury boosts insurance payout for WTC lessor

Silverstein to be reimbursed $98M of WTC investment.(Larry Silverstein )

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

LEAP