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Title: What If We Had Left Saddam Alone?
Source: Scripps Howard News Service
URL Source: http://www.620kpoj.com/cc-common/ma ... tml?feed=104770&article=908698
Published: Sep 14, 2006
Author: Dan K. Thomasson
Post Date: 2006-09-14 15:52:08 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 150
Comments: 8

Tuesday, September 12, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Ever wonder what the state of the world would be if Saddam Hussein still ruled Iraq with an iron fist? A few late-night comedians have braved potential patriotic wrath by suggesting perhaps he should be brought back, a shuddering thought given his propensity for mass graves.

Now for the first time a prominent U.S. senator has publicly stated just such an opinion - that the United States, if not Iraq, would be better off if Saddam Hussein had not been toppled from power. It is a position privately held by many but expressed by very few, at least not in those exact words. In reality, however, that is exactly what those in opposition to the war are really saying.

West Virginia Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV made his views clear as the Senate released a heretofore classified document that reported, among other things, that the CIA had repudiated claims that there were ties between Saddam's government and al-Qaeda, one of the key justifications for the Bush administration's Iraq policy. In fact, the report quotes CIA testimony that Saddam regarded al-Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, as his enemy and tried in vain to find him. Rockefeller serves as ranking minority member on the Senate Intelligence Committee, which declassified the report.

The veteran Democratic senator's statement was stunning even in the politically charged atmosphere of the coming congressional elections because it reveals the growing depth of unease among leading Democrats and Republicans about the current situation in Iraq and Afghanistan. Rockefeller voted for the Iraq invasion and like others has been careful not to leave the impression that he does not support American troops.

But using words like "manipulation" and "contained," Rockefeller said there was no evidence that Saddam had connections with the international terrorist movement, one of the White House's arguments for a preemptive strike on Iraq. When asked on television whether he now believed that Saddam should have been left in power, the veteran Democrat said that is exactly what he meant, that Saddam considered the terrorists a threat to his own government and that the Iraqi dictator was sufficiently contained as to be no real danger to the United States. Said Rockefeller, "He wasn't going to attack us."

In contrast, the Intelligence committee's Republican chairman, Pat Roberts, headed home to Kansas grumbling about nothing really new in the report, just bits and pieces already known to the public. He is correct. But the document is another log on the growing fire of discontent about the war and its drain on national assets, most specifically the human kind. It merely prompts more Americans to ask why this course was necessary if Saddam was not connected to terrorists nor had any of the weapons of mass destruction he was alleged to have been readying for use against his neighbors or the United States.

The impact of the report was intensified by the fact the committee is controlled by Republicans, only one of whom dissented. On the other hand several GOP members disavowed another report released at the same time criticizing the administration's reliance on intelligence supplied by Saddam's political enemies outside Iraq, namely the Iraqi National Congress, which had its own interests, leading up the invasion. Roberts issued a dissenting statement challenging the conclusions in that report.

It has become dramatically less clear where the Iraq invasion falls in the war on terrorism. Here are a few questions we may need to ask ourselves. Has this exercise actually raised more potential terrorists than it has eliminated? Has the terrorist movement gained stature in the susceptible culture of the Middle East by our obvious inability to bring stability to Iraq? Do moderate Muslims now regard this war as an attack on their religion generally? Has the fact that 140,000 U.S. troops are bogged down in what might now be a civil war damaged U.S. efforts to deal with resurgent Taliban forces in Afghanistan, which certainly do have ties to terrorism? Has the preoccupation with Iraq hindered our efforts to capture Osama bin Laden?

Finally, we should consider whether we at home are any safer because of this conflict which has cost so many American lives and so much money? Or would we, at least, be better off with a despotic killer who was really no threat to us still running that nation, leaving us free to deal with real terrorism? It is a moral dilemma around which debate is only going to intensify.

(Dan K. Thomasson is former editor of the Scripps Howard

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Even Iraq would have been better off. They could at least go to the grocery store without being blown up. And the notion that they are "free" now is just plain laughable.

Bush loves to say that "now the torture chambers are closed" but judging from the numbers of bodies of people tortured to death being found in Baghdad, the only difference is that the victims are not tortured in "chambers" which I humbly submit is not much of a difference.

alpowolf  posted on  2006-09-14   15:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

It has become dramatically less clear where the Iraq invasion falls in the war on terrorism

Let's hope it becomes even less clear where the Iran invasion would fall in the "war on terrorism."

leveller  posted on  2006-09-14   16:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

But the document is another log on the growing fire of discontent about the war and its drain on national assets, most specifically the human kind. It merely prompts more Americans to ask why this course was necessary if Saddam was not connected to terrorists nor had any of the weapons of mass destruction he was alleged to have been readying for use against his neighbors or the United States.

Two words: Eretz Israel

http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/greaterisrael.htm

"Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth." Henry David Thoreau

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-14   18:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Brian S (#0)

a shuddering thought given his propensity for mass graves.

What mass graves? And please lets not have the same pictures of "mass graves" dug up from 1991- the 5000 bodies of what Saddam called "insurgents" when he put down the Bush Daddy inspired and betrayed rebellion.

We heard all sorts of talk about the "mass graves". Almost as much as about the WMD. Where are they? Some of the more ridiculous Neowhore liar rags were saying he killed more than a million people and dumped their bodies in mass graves. Where are they? Where are the daily images of these mass graves that would most assuredly bolster Bush's third and fourth reasons for war?

Well- we got a partial answer from "Human Rights Watch" which was flinging around the figure of 300,000 in mass graves before the war. They said they couldn't find them because the paper work had been looted. Uh huh.

In fact - other than those intitial "mass graves" from 91 the media is utterly silent on this matter save for the New York Times which published a story about 250 "suspected sites" the same week that they finally reported correctly on the Haditha massacre for the first time.

Basically the "mass grave" line is almost as completely bogus as the "WMD" bullshit. But our "antiwar liberal" media feels obligated to mention how "brutal" Saddam was everytime they criticize Bush - almost as if a duty to acknowledge first that "yes, Saddam was evil and bad and very evil . . . but Bush blah blah." Well, after many years of media watching- I am savy enough to know that when we see lines like that repeated by everyone in our two party fraud - to take a closer look at it. I have. I smell a rat. Saddam may very well have been not such the bad guy he has been out to be - certainly no worse than any current dictator in the ME the US currently supports.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-14   20:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: alpowolf (#1)

Bush loves to say that "now the torture chambers are closed"

He hasn't said it much recently as he is trying to institutionalize torture for our military and intelligence services.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-14   20:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Burkeman1 (#4)

Basically the "mass grave" line is almost as completely bogus as the "WMD" bullshit.

Well, what about the "rape rooms." I saw a picture of a soldier standing in a rape room, it said so in the caption. And it had a door and a ceiling so it was a room alright. So it COULD have been a rape room.

Someday our kids and grandchildren are going to study this stuff in their propaganda courses, and they're going to laugh at this entire generation for being so gullible.

Compared to what has happened since 2003, Saddam was a piker, an amateur. Heck, compared to what goes on in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other "allies" like Guatamala, Saddam was one of the good guys.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-09-14   20:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Mekons4 (#6)

The "Rape rooms?" You mean like this standard fare we were spoon fed as ex post facto reasons for war?

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-14   20:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Burkeman1 (#7)

Yeah, exactly that. And don't forget the Times publishing, above the fold, the breathless story by that nitwit whose name I have forgotten (the one who was in jail for a month or so over the Plame thing) reporting that although she couldn't hear anything, she saw an Iraqi farmer out in the middle of a field with some U.S. troops and HE POINTED AT THE GROUND, thereby proving WMD were hidden there.

When an Iraqi farmer points at the ground, GOOD reporters can immediately spot the significance. Particularly if their career has been made by reporting verbatim fishy leaks from the Pentagon and White House, nearly all of which turned out to be untrue or of no value.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-09-14   21:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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