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Title: 911 Mysteries - DEMOLITIONS Video Part 1-3. No one could watch these and not be convinced that the WTC towers were brought down with EXPLOSIVES and that 911 is an INSIDE JOB
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Published: Sep 17, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-09-17 11:06:49 by christine
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#40. To: Critter, *Restore the Republic* (#36) (Edited)

Now I can't say that what happened to him is any kind of bombshell, because this started in 1996 and ended, it seems, even before Bush took office, but...

Very interesting insights, Critter. Please, keep us informed about what you find out.

It would seem that the Bush-Clinton cabal had 9-11 in the works since the mid- nineties. The plot thickens....

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2006-09-17   23:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Uncle Bill (#35)

what a wonderful post. you articulated my feelings exactly.

christine  posted on  2006-09-17   23:43:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Critter, Jethro Tull, Uncle Bill (#36)

pinging JT to your and UB's posts.

christine  posted on  2006-09-17   23:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike (#29)

mike, i watched some of it. he looks and acts mad.

christine  posted on  2006-09-17   23:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: christine (#43)

"mike, i watched some of it. he looks and acts mad."

Exactly. That is my point. Something is tearing him up, something he is conflicted on and something that is going to happen soon has him as worked up as a drop kicked hornet's nest.

My guess is they know enough about a planned attack to be interested in using it for cover like they did in New York and Washington, D.C., but need much more information about it in order to successfully dovetail in their operations into it to make them work for them.

Or there is a power play and factions in his 'administration'/crime syndicate are looking for direction and he needs information to be a better advocate for an attack on Iran.

Whatever it is getting him so strangely aroused emotionally, it is a dangerous reaction coming from an insane self serving and unpredictable man. I am worried about the near future.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-09-18   0:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Critter (#36)

Also interesting during that segment was the cousin of Bush.

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   0:16:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Critter (#38)

Why Did the Trade Center Skyscrapers Collapse?
"Controlled demolition would have required unimpeded access to the WTC, access to explosives, avoiding detection, and the expertise to orchestrate the deadly destruction from a nearby secure location. Such access before 9/11 likely depended on complicity by one or more WTC security companies. These companies focus on "access control" and as security specialist Wayne Black says, "When you have a security contract, you know the inner workings of everything." Stratesec, a now-defunct company that had security contracts at the World Trade Center and Dulles International Airport, should be investigated, among others, because of the strange coincidence that President Bush’s brother, Marvin P. Bush, and his cousin, Wirt D. Walker III, were principals in the company, with Walker acting as CEO from 1999 until January 2002 and Marvin reportedly in New York on 9/11. At least one report claims that a "power down" condition prevailed on September 8–9 (pdf, p. 45) at WTC to complete a "cabling upgrade," presenting an opportunity to plant explosives with low risk of detection."

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   0:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Uncle Bill (#45)

Also interesting during that segment was the cousin of Bush.

All in the family. hehehe

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-09-18   0:28:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Critter (#47)

And he's as successful as Bush in business. 8-)

Wirt D. Walker III

From SourceWatch

Wirt D. Walker III is Chairman, President, and CEO of Aviation General, Inc., 2000-present, a holding company for two subsidiaries: Commander Aircraft Company, (single engine Commander aircraft manufacturer, plus consulting, brokerage and refurbishment services for piston aircraft), and Strategic Jet Services, Inc.(which ceased operations in 12/02), and at the time provided consulting, brokerage and refurbishment services for jet aircraft.

Aviation General is currently in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy. The attempts at bringing Aviation General (Commander Aircraft) out of bankruptcy were made. Tiger Aircraft provided DIP financing for Commander Aircraft for several months before backing out of the deal for undisclosed reasons. This was followed up by a similar, although shorter lived situation with Pilot General Aviation LLC who also backed out of the deal for undisclosed reasons.

Walker was also Chairman and CEO of Stratesec from 1999 to the company's liquidation in 003. He had served as a director of the company since 1987.

Starting in 1982, Mr. Walker has been the Managing Director of Kuwait-American Corporation, a private investment firm, that was the main financier of both of the above companies.

[edit]

External links

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   0:34:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Uncle Bill (#46)

Everyone should also remember that there were crews in for the previous 3 to 4 months working on the alleged sprinkler systems, which is why they all seemingly and mysteriously failed to work.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2006-09-18   0:39:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: christine (#0)

According to our illustrious leaders, and commander in chief, anyone who entertains these "Conspiracy Theories" is siding with the terrorists, and should consider themselves ALSO a terrorist. Heard something to that effect today on the radio which truly chilled me. I cannot believe that people are getting worked up over this.

More importantly, I cannot believe that THE PEOPLE aren't getting worked up over something.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2006-09-18   0:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Critter (#47)

"Petition for Relief Under Chapter 11 - On December 27, 2002 the Company’s wholly owned subsidiary, Commander Aircraft Company (the “Debtor”) filed petitions for relief under Chapter 11 of the federal bankruptcy laws in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware. Under Chapter 11, certain claims against the Debtor in existence prior to the filing of the petitions for relief under the federal bankruptcy laws are stayed while the Debtor continues business operations as Debtor-in-possession. These claims are reflected in the June 30, 2004, 2004 balance sheet as “liabilities subject to compromise.” Claims secured against the Debtor’s assets (“secured claims”) also are stayed, although the holders of such claims have the right to move the court for relief from the stay. Secured claims are secured primarily by liens on the Debtor’s property, plant and equipment. Refer to the Company's most recent annual report on Form 10-KSB."


What are friends for


MARVIN BUSH EMPLOYEE'S MYSTERIOUS DEATH – Connections to 9/11
"A Houston businessman who worked closely with the Bush family over the years confided that Marvin Bush and Wirt Walker appear to have taken over the Saudi real estate investment and aircraft brokerage business once run out of Texas by Houston-based James Bath in association with Salem bin Laden, the late brother of Osama bin Laden, and Khalid bin Mahfouz. The source, who has dealt personally with the Bush family in Houston for a number of years, said there should be skepticism when looking at bizarre deaths like that of Champagne. The source speculated that Champagne might have happened upon some sensitive information the Bush family wanted kept secret.

Some observers wondered if Secret Service agents might have been able to assist Champagne when her car pinned her. According to the Secret Service in Washington, the agency only provides protection to presidential siblings if an Executive Order authorizes such action. A Secret Service spokesperson emphasized there is no current Secret Service protection for Marvin Bush. However, there remains a question why private security agents posted at the Bush compound could not have responded to Champagne's distress.

There are also questions concerning Champagne's actual place of residence. According to the Post story, Bush told police that Champagne resided at their compound, However, a phone call to the directory-listed residence of Bertha Champagne in Franconia, Virginia resulted in Mrs. Champagne's son answering the phone. He confirmed that his mother lived at the Franconia address but he was clearly uncomfortable and nervous in talking to the media about the circumstances surrounding his mother's death.


The Clinotn's and the Bush's = DEATH

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   0:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#50)

White House Targets Conspiracy Theorists As Terrorist Recruiters

Screw the bastards!

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   0:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: christine (#0)

'Just watched all three. Wow. I will be ordering the DVD's. This one really does it for me. 'Love the narrator.

Damn, I can't keep up with this new stuff. I just made two hundred copies of Terror Storm and Loose Change. Now, I think this one followed by Terror Storm may be a better hand out.

.......
“Why should they, the Americans, have trusted us? We were a bunch of Russians, socialist Russians.” -- Isser Harel, former head of Mossad, speaking of the unlikely union between America and the Marxist state of Israel.
.......
“They were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage.” -- Excerpt of a police report concerning the arrest of 5 Israeli intelligence operatives after they were seen by witnesses filming the destruction of the Twin Towers in New York and cheering.

wakeup  posted on  2006-09-18   1:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Uncle Bill, hmmmmmm (#48)

Walker was also Chairman and CEO of Stratesec from 1999 to the company's liquidation in 003. He had served as a director of the company since 1987.

I was looking for info on the Stratesec liquidation, since it would be VERY strange, in this day and age for a security company to go bust. I wasn't sure if this "liquidation" was the result of a bankruptcy or what so I started googling...

I don't find much, so far, but I did find this which is interesting:

Stratesec Incorporated and Kamran Hashemi agree to settle the outstanding Stratesec lawsuit and any existing or potential claims against Stratesec, Incorporated by Kamran Hashemi based on the following conditions...

From http://www.secinfo.com/dS7kv.319.c.htm? Find=Kamran+Hashemi&Line=63#Line63

I wonder who this Kamran Hashemi fellow is? I googled the name and get a shit pile of results. One intersting result can be found here, and it includes this:

Mr. Hashemi of Iran is a Legal Officer with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Iran, where his responsibilities include matters related to the law of the sea, international organized crime and international terrorism. He intends to devote his study during the fellowship period to either an intensive course on recent developments in the law of the sea or to undertake advanced research on the subject of crimes at sea. Mr. Hashemi holds a Masters degree in international relations, with a focus on crimes at sea.

Things that make you go hmmmmm....

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-09-18   1:27:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Uncle Bill (#51)

Getting closer:

STRATESEC INC: Fails to Meet AMEX Continued Listing Guidelines

From: IBL Troubled Company Reprter

They were in SERIOUS trouble in 2003:

http://www.secinfo.com/dS7kv.2s.h tm#f2v

The Company is in litigation on two material lawsuits. The first is American Express versus STRATESEC, for non-payment in the amount of $556,449. The Company is challenging the amount owed. The second lawsuit is Frito-Lay versus STRATESEC for return of funds paid to STRATESEC on a terminated contract in the amount of $98,000. In addition, there is a judgment against the Company for $90,000 for non-payment to a subcontractor. The lawsuit was filed by Minority Contractors of Dallas, Texas. As of December 31, 2002, The Company has accrued $744,449 for settlement of these matters and approximately $8,000 for related legal fees

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-09-18   1:44:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: christine (#4)

"...this one is it. the narration is done by a female who speaks slowly and clearly..."

And, that phone conversation with the guy talking to the fire department when all hell breaks loose. Damn, that was spooky... him yelling while the collapse begins. We owe it to him to hang these bastards. I sware, I'm into this to the end. May God forgive us.

Now, where do I get the DVD? I've got work to do.

.......
“Why should they, the Americans, have trusted us? We were a bunch of Russians, socialist Russians.” -- Isser Harel, former head of Mossad, speaking of the unlikely union between America and the Marxist state of Israel.
.......
“They were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage.” -- Excerpt of a police report concerning the arrest of 5 Israeli intelligence operatives after they were seen by witnesses filming the destruction of the Twin Towers in New York and cheering.

wakeup  posted on  2006-09-18   1:53:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Uncle Bill, All (#55)

CHANTILLY, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 4, 2002

STRATESEC Incorporated (AMEX:SFT) announced that it has redeemed and retired 2 million of its outstanding shares of common stock.

This reduces the company's issued and outstanding shares of common stock from 10.4 million shares to 8.4 million shares. The 2 million retired shares had been issued to Kamran Hashemi in connection with the STRATESEC, Incorporated merger with Security System Integration in December of 2000. By mutual agreement, Mr. Hashemi has terminated his affiliation with STRATESEC, Incorporated and returned the shares issued to him in return for which the company has dropped its claims against him pursuant to the merger agreement

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-09-18   1:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Uncle Bill, all (#57)

From the sales pitch to Stratesec shareholders for the acquisition of SSI:

SSI has in place contract vehicles with the federal government that allow it to provide systems and services to the government without having to go through a complete competition. These include a blanket contract with the General Services Agency (GSA) and a Blanket Purchase Agreement (BPA) with the Army. Each of these open-ended contracts can be used by any government agency wishing to do business with SSI. As a result, the marketing and sales efforts of SSI are considerably less than would be necessary if the entire competition cycle had to be completed for every sale. SSI relies principally on its CEO and Project Engineers and Project Managers to market and sell its systems and services.

The principal clients of SSI are the United States Army, Air Force and Navy as well as the Department of Justice. SSI has completed more than 60 systems for its clients since mid-1998. The Army accounted for over 50% of its sales for the year 2000.

There are very few security system integrators doing business with the government that offer the full range of services and geographical coverage offered by SSI. Typically, there will be from one to five competitors on the projects on which SSI is bidding. There is no single dominant provider of the types of services that SSI provides to the government. One of the barriers to entry in this market is the requirement to be able to provide classified systems to the government. To provide classified systems the company must have personnel with the proper security clearances and the company's facility must be cleared by the appropriate agencies to protect sensitive information about the government systems. Due to the high demand for cleared personnel, the schedule for the government to do the appropriate investigations and grant clearances is several months long.

Isn't it grand to find that an Iranian national (maybe) has this unique arrangement with the US gov't and military to perform these non bid projects for millions of dollars. I wonder why Stratesec acquired SSI the year before 9/11 and terminated their relationship with Hashemi a year after 9/11?

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-09-18   2:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Critter (#38) (Edited)

anything on kerosene flame speed

did you see this one from caltech? sect. 5.4
(they're calling it burning speed for Jet A)

hammerdown  posted on  2006-09-18   2:29:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: hammerdown (#59)

Thanks! I also found something esle after looking at that. I get a number of about 8 feet per second.

So how when they say that the jet fuel explosion was like 300 tons of TNT, it will be easy to dispute. Jet A flame speed = 8 ft per sec. TNT = 27,000 ft per sec. lol

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-09-18   2:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Critter (#60)

hahaha... quite an overblown comparison. 300 tons of TNT @ 27,000 ft. per sec. = orbiting module.

hammerdown  posted on  2006-09-18   3:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: christine (#4)

the narration is done by a female who speaks slowly and clearly.

Yeah, she sounds sexy too. :)

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-09-18   3:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: christine (#0)

From Devvy Kidd, need I say more?

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd213.htm

.......
“Why should they, the Americans, have trusted us? We were a bunch of Russians, socialist Russians.” -- Isser Harel, former head of Mossad, speaking of the unlikely union between America and the Marxist state of Israel.
.......
“They were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage.” -- Excerpt of a police report concerning the arrest of 5 Israeli intelligence operatives after they were seen by witnesses filming the destruction of the Twin Towers in New York and cheering.

wakeup  posted on  2006-09-18   4:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: christine, Zipporah, robin, RickyJ, Critter, wakeup, Arator (#62)

If you haven't, I wish all of you would read through the following article written by Catherine Austin Fitts. Yes, it's long, 27 pages. If nothing else, just read the last couple pages. It would be worth your while to read all of it. It is an illuminating article on how things really work. Ever wonder where the black-ops asses get their money, to say, wire up the trade center buildings for demolition come from? It isn't just the Pentagon. Or, why our government and the Federal Reserve is involved in international drug trafficking and money laundering? Or, why Americans don't have anymore purchasing power of their dollar. Why neighborhoods are destroyed. Why isn't there financial accountability at all government agencies, ever? What about the rigged elections? How can you become the enemy of the state? Is the real estate market built on sand and ready to collapse? Why won't the politicians listen to us? How do you destroy cities? How do you destroy rural areas? Who is really making it now in this country? How are they doing it? Is it another coincidence that the four largest drug-trafficking states(Texas, Florida, California, New York) are also the largest money laundering and contributors to presidential candidates in these same states? The Bush family has a long history of dealing with organized crime and drug trafficking. Is it a coincidence that one Bush was in Texas and another in Florida, and the old man was in the CIA?

The Myth of the Rule of Law


Does this seem normal to anybody?:

DOV S. ZAKHEIM - Former Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) and Chief Financial Officer

DOV S. ZAKHEIM - DOV S. ZAKHEIM - DOV S. ZAKHEIM - DOV S. ZAKHEIM


Video


THE WAR ON WASTE - Rumsfeld Says 2.3 Trillion Dollars Missing - "9-10-01"


"The 9/11 Pentagon Attack - "One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts."


Bush and GOP Approve $401.3 BILLION DEFENSE SPENDING BILL


"The Army did not publish stand-alone financial statements for FY 2001 due to the loss of financial management personnel sustained during the September 11 terrorist attack."


"In 2001, Zakheim was CEO of SPC International, a subsidiary of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems."

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   4:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: wakeup (#63)

Great article. God bless her!!!!!

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   4:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: christine (#65)

Pause this video at 1:22.

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   5:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: christine (#66)

I can't imagine our illustrious government faking anything.

Fake Iraq documents 'embarrassing' for U.S.

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   5:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: christine (#67)

I can't imagine our illustrious government lying.

Whitewash: Whitewash as Public Service - How The 9/11 Commission Report defrauds the nation
"The 9/11 Commission Report, .. is a cheat and a fraud."

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   6:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Uncle Bill (#68)

Mr. Mission Accomplished Can Figure Out Where to Lay the Blame for Iraq by Simply Pointing in Any Available Mirror.

Quotes:

"I will only answer reasonable questions."

"No. I am not scared, and neither should you be."

"Be assured: Baghdad is safe. Protected."

"We are in control. They are not in control of anything. They don't even control themselves!"

"The battle is very fierce and God made us victorious."

"They mock me for how I speak. I speak better English than they do."

"I have detailed information about the situation .. which completely proves that what they allege are illusions. They lie every day."

"I blame Al-Jazeera."

"The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies."

"They are becoming hysterical. This is the result of frustration."

"Just look carefully. I only want you to look carefully. Do not repeat the lies of liars. Do not become like them."

"Search for the truth. I tell you things and I always ask you to verify what I say."

"They think that by killing civilians and trying to distort the feelings of the people they will win."

Who could've said all these things? Rumsfeld? Cheney? Bush? All of them plausible. But they are from "Baghdad Bob", the famous former propaganda minister of Iraq. Go back and read them again and find one thing that couldn't have been plausibly said within the last month or so by one of these three guys (or pick your favorite ConservaBorg on Fox).

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-09-18   6:19:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Ferret Mike (#69)

The interview of a traitorous Constitution trashing Madman

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   6:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Ferret Mike (#69)

The bestial Bush administration

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-09-18   6:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: christine, Kamala, Arator, critter, Uncle Bill, honway, all (#42)

Facing uncharted waters: following a ghastly terrorist attack that killed thousands and leveled the twin towers of the World Trade Center, New York's real estate community mobilizes like never before. (New York Review 1).(Statistical Data Included)


National Real Estate Investor; 10/1/2001; Gair, Cristina

Now that the unthinkable has happened, where does the country -- and for that matter the local commercial real estate industry -- go from here?

While our nation's leaders quickly mount a global campaign in response to the heinous terrorist attacks levied on the World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, a different type of frenzied activity is taking place in the city that never sleeps.

Brokers are scrambling to find space for displaced tenants. And even as the debris from the terrorist attack continues to be hauled away -- some 133,000 tons and counting -- the development community already is thinking of ways to rebuild an even more vibrant New York.

The devastation is staggering. The New York real estate market is reeling after the complete loss of approximately 13.4 million sq. ft. of office space following the explosions that caused the collapse of the 110-story twin towers -- Towers One and Two -- and four neighboring buildings in the WTC complex.

The explosions stemming from the aerial attacks, combined with falling debris and dust, caused structural damage to 4.8 million sq. ft. of office space in neighboring buildings, according to a special report on the attack prepared by New York-based Insignia/ESG. In addition, the report stated that more than 10 million sq. ft. of office space suffered damage to either the windows or building facades. All totaled, the attack damaged or destroyed 28.7 million sq. ft. of office space in Downtown Manhattan, according to Insignia/ESG.

The office vacancy rate in Manhattan, which had hovered around 7% to 8%, is expected to drop to 2% to 4% once the dust settles and displaced tenants find either temporary or permanent space elsewhere in Manhattan or the tri-state area.

Commercial real estate developers, brokers and consultants are working together to help these tenants find new viable office space. During the days following the tragedy, the Real Estate Board of New York set up a listing of all the available space in the city on its Web site. Likewise, for tenants displaced by the WTC attack, Bethesda, Md.-based CoStar Group made available for free its database listing of office space in New York.

"The major owners have all agreed to hold the line on rents to what they were before Sept. 11" said Douglas Durst, developer and owner of The Durst Organization in New York and a member of the Real Estate Board. "It's about helping those who have suffered from this cowardly act. It's also in our own long-term interest to keep as many tenants in New York City as possible."

Rents before the disaster were approximately $68 per sq. ft. for Class-A office space in Midtown Manhattan and $49 per sq. ft. for Class-A office space in Downtown Manhattan, according to Northbrook, Ill.-based Grubb & Ellis.

The rents are expected to remain stable while landlords assist displaced tenants, but following this period, Grubb & Ellis expects rents in the New York office market to trend upward, despite the economic downturn in the U.S. economy. The real estate firm explained that the tragedy of Sept. 11 would probably ensure the New York office market remains the nation's tightest for the next several years, unless there's a major downturn in the financial industries.

The weeks following this catastrophic attack brought displaced office tenants out in droves to find space suitable to get their businesses up and running. Almost 1,300 businesses in the area were affected by the attack. Thirty-one tenants occupying 100,000 sq. ft. or more were displaced by the disaster.

According to Insignia/ESG, the largest displacements included: Merrill Lynch (3.1 million sq. ft.); Morgan Stanley Dean Witter (1.4 million sq. ft.); Salomon Smith Barney (1.4 million sq. ft.); American Express (1.2 million sq. ft); and The Bank of New York (800,000 sq. ft.).

As of Sept. 26, Insignia/ESG had negotiated 10 leases, or 1.5 million sq. ft., on behalf of displaced tenants. The company had an additional 3.5 million sq. ft. pending.

Tenants are expected to gobble up most of the 25.8 million sq. ft. of available space -- including 16.3 million sq. ft. of direct space and 9.5 million sq. ft. of sublease space -- that flooded the market due to the dot-com slide, according to Insignia/ESG. Some of these tenants are consolidating into existing offices, while others have found office space that's ready for immediate occupancy.

Still others are in search of their desired square footage at an affordable price either in the Big Apple or in nearby markets, including Jersey City, N.J.; Long Island City, N.Y.; Westchester, Conn.; and Brooklyn, N.Y.

Compassion in the face of crisis

Some displaced tenants also are among the unfortunate companies that experienced casualties resulting from the attack. In all, approximately 6,000 people are missing and presumed dead. It's a horrific situation that the commercial real estate industry never thought it would have to encounter.

"Most of the companies and folks I deal with on every side of real estate are trying to approach it as a group," said Michael Berne, senior managing director with the New York office of Grubb & Ellis. "It's a unique situation that's never happened before."

Jacques Gordon, international director and co-chair of global research for Chicago-based Jones Lang LaSalle, doesn't take his responsibility in the crisis lightly. "Our industry should remember that the nation is watching us. Now's the time to take the high road, and do what's right for the economy and New York City," Gordon said.

Business as usual has turned to crisis management in the days and weeks following the tragedy. Brokers are working with displaced and shocked tenants, some of whom also are dealing emotionally with the loss of employees. Negotiating deals for these tenants requires more than just the usual real estate expertise, according to Charlie Shorter, principal of New York-based Ernst & Young Real Estate Advisory Group. The delicate situation calls for a compassionate and collaborative approach to deal making.

"Consistent with what you've seen in the rest of the city, the real estate industry has been equally cooperative," said Woody Heller, managing director of the capital markets group for Jones Lang LaSalle in New York. Heller explained that New Yorkers are responding in a variety of ways. For example, law firms have offered space to competing law firms until they can get back on their feet. And at least one commercial real estate agency, Kenneth D. Laub & Co., has offered to find displaced tenants space for no fee.

"To date there has been a very emotional and businesslike approach -- no gouging to speak of in the marketplace," said Josh Carliff, executive vice president of New York-based Cushman & Wakefield (C&W), the city's largest commercial real estate services firm. Firms such as C&W are working with existing clients and new ones. C&W has established a "war room" to assist others, whether or not the company is directly involved in the transaction. Also, C&W has set up a Web page on which displaced tenants can see a list of available office space that C&W is marketing.

"I must tell you, there's a true sense of guilt at the thought of being opportunistic in this crisis," Carliff said. "As a firm, we are truly helping our clients find homes in an efficient and business-like manner."

Sea change in office sector

Prior to the terrorist attack, office brokers had noticed a decreasing velocity of deals and an availability of approximately 26 million sq. ft. of office space. Like the rest of the country, New York already was feeling the effects of an economic slowdown. In particular, Wall Street had been suffering badly in the wake of the tech wreck, and quarterly earnings reports were dismal.

The terrorist attack has only served to exacerbate the problems in the public markets, careening the U.S. economy into what economists predict will be a full-blown recession lasting at least through the end of the year. The New York Stock Exchange stood eerily silent for four business days following the attack. And when trading did resume Sept. 17, the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 684 points, a one-day record, closing below 9,000 for the first time in more than two-and-a-half years.

Prior to Sept. 11, the office market had been undergoing a transition from a landlord's market to a tenant's market due to the abundance of sublease space. Almost overnight, the tables turned and the city finds itself once again in a landlord's market, said Drew O'Malley, managing director and head of the New York region for CSFB Realty.

Normally, it would take a broker between six months and two years to lease millions of square feet of space. In this extraordinary case, the leasing process is literally happening in just days, explained Carliff. "Our firm has been working around the clock since the crisis. I've never witnessed the ability to complete these transactions so efficiently" he said.

In fact, the entire commercial real estate industry is working in cooperation with tenants, the Economic Council of New York and civic leaders to restore businesses to working order.

"This flurry of activity will abate very quickly" said Jeffrey Bernstein, managing director at Insignia/ESG. "New York is a huge engine, and it's moving very quickly." Bernstein said Insignia started receiving calls a few days after the tragedy, and the phone's been ringing ever since. He said that as a brokerage firm, Insignia is trying to negotiate aggressively on behalf of displaced tenants.

The short-term goal is to get affected businesses established in working offices. Then in the following few months, Heller of Jones Lang LaSalle anticipates a flurry of spending on office equipment such as furniture, computers and telephones. Heller also predicts that the bricks-and-mortar fallout from the terrorist attack will force some firms to relocate outside the city. "There aren't enough large spaces to accommodate all of them," Heller said

In the near term, as some companies choose to relocate, Manhattan's tax base will take a direct hit, industry experts predict. The market also will experience a loss in spending by office workers as hordes of tenants set up shop elsewhere for at least the short run.

But Heller and other industry players said they expect tenants to return to the city due to the quality of life in Manhattan. Heller admitted that any tenant's decision to return likely will hinge on the overall environment, as well as the mood of leaders and residents of the city.

Gauging long-term effects on the office market

Rescue and recovery officials at the site, now known infamously as "ground zero,' are overseeing a massive cleanup effort of incomprehensible proportions. Undaunted, the leadership of the city seems to favor rebuilding, but so far no specific proposal is under serious consideration as the government and the private sector struggle to determine what will be built.

And just days after the attack, Larry Silverstein, the developer who purchased a 99-year leasehold on the WTC towers for $3.2 billion in July, announced plans for rebuilding the area. Even so, Silverstein must work in conjunction with the owners of the building, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, as well as state and local officials.

It's doubtful that "rebuilding" would mean the construction of two more 110-story towers. One informal proposal calls for the construction of four, 50-story buildings and the establishment of some sort of memorial to honor the victims of this tragedy. According to a Grubb & Ellis special report on New York, the rebuilding of Downtown will provide a surge in construction and development activity, but more than likely it will take more than five years for the city's inventory of office space to return to its pre-disaster level.

For the real estate community, Silverstein's announcement to rebuild didn't come as too much of a surprise. "We all hoped that this is what he would say and do" said Justin Stein, regional director of client services at Grubb & Ellis.

O'Malley of CSFB Realty said that any rebuilding project will likely be put on a fast track once an idea is agreed upon, particularly because local and state governments appear committed to providing financial assistance. Undoubtedly, major corporations will want to lease space in any future development at the site, O'Malley believes. "The financial center is not going away," he declared. "It'll always be in New York, and it'll always prosper."

Carliff of C&W echoed the sentiments of O'Malley. "We have not seen a flight out of New York." Those companies forced to relocate probably will return to lower Manhattan when office space becomes available, Carliff predicts.

"There's definitely going to always be something about being close to your customers" O'Malley said. He expects that firms will migrate back to Manhattan when new buildings are constructed and ready for occupancy.

The land of empty hotel rooms

As a prime vacation and business travel destination, New York normally is one of the best-performing hotel markets in the world. Through June 2001, hotel occupancy in the Big Apple registered 76.1%, down from 84% during the same period in 2000, according to San Francisco-based PKF Consulting, which specializes in the hospitality industry. A decrease in corporate business travel and the opening of new hotels contributed to the occupancy decrease, according to PKF.

At press time, the terrorist attacks were having a profoundly negative effect on the hospitality industry and the entertainment sector, including Broadway, which has been forced to close four shows since Sept. 11. Other shows also are in financial trouble.

Even with Mayor Rudy Giuliani's plea for visitors to help by filling New York restaurants, shops and hotels, the city's tourist numbers have plummeted, according to John Fox, senior vice president with PKF Consulting in New York. Hotel occupancies in the weeks after the attack sunk to unheard of lows of 30% to 40%, compared with this time last year when occupancies registered 90%.

"This event has devastated the hotel market in New York" Fox said. What Fox is loath to predict is the duration of this incredible slowdown. "It could be 30, 60, 90 days or longer. It's anybody's guess at this point." So far, New York hotels have been forced to lay off employees and to reduce operating expenses as warranted.

An August 2001 report from PKF Consulting found that the average daily rate (ADR) of hotel rooms in Manhattan was $209.35, a 3.4% decrease from the ADR of $216.70 in 2000. After the attack, the pricing remained fairly stable. According to Fox, pricing should remain at nearly the same levels. He added that this drop in visitors isn't a pricing issue. "I wouldn't advise anybody to do any price-cutting," he said.

Fox said that hotel owners and operators in New York are better positioned to weather this economic downturn than the 1990s recession. "There's a lot less debt on hotel properties than the early '90s, and hotel owners have learned to operate more efficiently."

Four hotels in close proximity to the World Trade Center were damaged or destroyed as a result of the attack. The Marriott World Trade Center Hotel, with 750 rooms, was destroyed. Three other hotels suffered damage, including the 550-room Hilton Millennium, the 400-room Marriott Financial Center Hotel and the 400-room Embassy Suites. Before the disaster, New York boasted 60,000 available hotel rooms.

Last year, 37.4 million visitors spent a total of $17 billion, according to NYC & Co. Fox explained that the terrorist attack occurred two months before the busiest travel season in New York, which runs from Nov. 15 to Dec. 15. Whether the travel industry will rebound by the start of that period remains to be seen, Fox said.

Will retail continue its reign?

With a drop in tourist dollars, retailers of all niches and sizes will feel the reverberating effects of the attack. That sobering news holds true for even department store icons such as Macy's, Bloomingdale's and Saks Fifth Avenue, as well as specialty retailers located in all sections of the city.

Fifth Avenue, Madison Avenue and 57th Street remain the hottest retail districts in the city. These streets are lined with national and international brands. Soho boasts its own flair reminiscent of the Left Bank of Paris, according to Faith Hope Consolo, vice chairman at Garrick-Aug Associates, a retail brokerage firm in New York.

Soho, dubbed Lipstick Alley, is the hip place for accessory stores selling makeup, handbags and shoes. The average asking rate on 1,643 retail locations was $77.50 per sq. ft. in 2000, but Consolo said early estimates reveal that the price per square foot has decreased about 8% this year. The supply has remained at about the same level because new stores have opened and others have closed their doors.

Retail space destroyed after WTC attacks

The terrorist attacks erased the 472,000 sq. ft. Westfield Shoppingtown WTC, the retail component of the twin towers, which was located on the ground level. At $900 per sq. ft., the mall had one of the highest producing sales volumes in America, according to Los Angeles-based Westfield America Inc., which along with Silverstein held a 99-year lease on the WTC complex.

Replacing the dollars from this high-traffic area will be a focal point. While the immediate needs of displaced retail chain stores may not be as critical as office tenants affected by the attack, displaced stores will be looking to replace that lost dollar, said Bill Melville, senior director at Lansco Corp., a New York-based retail brokerage firm.

Regardless, retailers still are reporting quite a bit of shopping activity. "People can't stop shopping forever," said Consolo. She expects the holiday shopping season in the city to be "not great, but good."

"In general, demand is still strong," Consolo added. "I haven't seen any leases out there that are not being signed. If anything, there are stores on a national and regional level [that were formerly located at the WTC] that will need to be replaced."

Melville said that retail tenants displaced by the WTC attack might consider building replacement stores on the site, but in the near term he expects some of the retailers to expand into different areas of the city.

According to Melville, retailers thinking of entering the Manhattan market should consider the long-term picture. "If they [retailers] are thinking of doing something like an entry into the New York market, by the time they negotiate space, sign a lease and establish a store, it'll be nine months to a year from today," Melville said. "They can't think in terms of today's headlines."

Melville also expressed reassurance that retailers are still signing leases and going forward with plans made before the attack. Some retailers have put decisions on hold, but no stores are pulling out of the market.

Consolo said there are conflicting messages. Consumers are returning to stores and shopping centers, but other sectors, such as the hotel industry, are reporting huge drops in occupancy with no travelers in sight. She said tourism numbers already had been slumping before Sept. 11, so the attack resulted in a double-whammy for the retail sector. Holiday shopping will not completely dry up, however, as consumers will want to purchase items for their families and loved ones, Consolo said.

Slowly but surely, New Yorkers are returning to the stores. Melville said city residents have to lead the pack. "The only thing we can do as New Yorkers is to continue to set the example, and go out and live our lives and carry on."

Multifamily market remains robust

The multifamily market in New York continues to thrive with a vacancy rate between 2% and 3%. It's still a challenge to find an apartment in New York as demand outstrips supply, according to David Michonski, CEO and chairman of the residential division at Coldwell Banker Commercial Properties.

"We are definitely in a transition period. We're transitioning from the frenzied days of last summer," said Michonski. "We haven't really seen a full-blown downturn yet, just a small uptick in inventory."

The only area that is experiencing a blip is Downtown near the site of "ground zero." The WTC attack forced the temporary displacement of thousands of lower Manhattan residents. Many of these residents were allowed to move back into their residences, but some are months away from returning. Other residents are questioning whether they want to continue to live in such a desolated area.

New York is home to some of the most expensive apartments in the country, but prices appear to be leveling off. "The era of high-priced rentals (monthly rents of $4,000 to $5,000) is over for the time being," Michonski said. Even so, supply continues to be an issue.

According to the Real Estate Board of New York, there is demand for 40,000 units a year, but the city is adding only 3,000 to 4,000 units per year. The market definitely has peaked somewhat, according to Larry Sicular, executive director of the appraisal and consulting firm of Brown Harris Stevens in New York. "What we're seeing this year is prices are beginning to fall," he said.

The long-term outlook

With the uncertainty spawned by the terrorist attacks, the local economy is shaky right now, but everything is relative. The commercial real estate sector is expected to fare better than the volatile stock market, according to Gordon of Jones Lang LaSalle. "The attack on the World Trade Center and a whole host of other ill effects will plunge us into a deeper recession," Gordon explained. Gordon believes the key to recovery is to move slowly and deliberately, and to avoid rushing into decisions.

For New York, rebuilding the city and the financial district has become a top priority. "This is a great city from a civic point of view and a business perspective," boasted Carliff. "This city will rebound."

WHAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN MANHATTAN?

Nine major office developments were in the pipeline in Manhattan at the time of the attack. Most of these projects are build-to-suits with 87% of the space pre-leased. Listed below are fully pre-leased office buildings under construction. The information includes the building location, main tenant, square footage and the expected completion date.

* 1 Rock Plaza W., Morgan Stanley, 1.04 million sq. ft., April 2002

* 383 Madison Ave., Bear Stearns, 1.2 million sq. ft., April 2002

* 10 Columbus Circle, AOL Time Warner, 1.6 million sq. ft., December 2003

* 731 Lexington Ave., Bloomberg L.P., 850,000 sq. ft., December 2003

Listed below are office buildings under construction in Manhattan with available space. Details include building location, signed tenant, total square footage, square feet available, and expected completion date.

* 222 E. 41 St., Jones Day, 373,646 sq. ft., 120,000 sq. ft. available, April 2002

* 5 Times Square, Ernst & Young, 1.1 million sq. ft., 20,000 sq. ft. available, April 2003

* Times Square Tower, Arthur Andersen, 1.25 million sq. ft., 500,000 sq. ft. available, April 2003

* 300 Madison Ave., CIBC, 1.2 million sq. ft., 200,000 sq. ft. available, June 2003

* 610 Eighth Ave., The New York Times, 1.4 million sq. ft., 500,000 sq. ft. available, September 2003

Source: CB Richard Ellis

* VOICES NUMBERS

question

Do you believe the World Trade Center should be rebuilt in Lower Manhattan?

"That area where the WTC was absolutely should be redeveloped. I don't believe that the twin towers should be developed as they were. They were a product of a different time. It should be rebuilt with a more conservative approach to height -- four to five buildings on the site, each about 50 stories high. It should also include a very serious memorial to remind us and generations to come what happened. I think that's what it should be and what it will be."

-- Steve Siegel, president of Insignia/ESG, New York

"We have a moral obligation to rebuild the World Trade Center as a tribute to those who lost their lives. If anyone can lead the redevelopment initiatives, it is [developer] Larry Silverstein. Mr. Silverstein will see to it that the highest quality, most secure office space will be built to house the businesses of the 21st century at this site."

-- Bruce Mosler, president of U.S. operations, Cushman & Wakefield, New York

"There does need to be a rebuilding of Downtown -- 10 or 12 million sq. ft. needs to come into the Downtown market. But to build a building with no subsidies in Manhattan, tenants will have to pay $75 per sq. ft., and I don't think they're willing to do that Downtown. Absent all of that, there's no question that something needs to be built Downtown, a monumental facility that will never let us forget what happened."

-- James Kuhn, president, Newmark & Co. Real Estate, New York

Unfathomable losses incurred

Here is a look at just some of the horrendous numbers linked to the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.

6,000 or more people are presumed dead.

28.7 million sq.ft. of office space was destroyed or damaged in Downtown Manhattan.

13.4 million sq. ft. of office space was completely destroyed as a result of the attack.

133,000 tons of debris and counting have been hauled away.

1,300 businesses in the area were affected by the attack.

31 tenants, occupying 100,000 sq. ft. or more, were displaced by the disaster, according to Insignia/ESG.

4 million sq. ft., the total square footage of each tower at the World Trade Center.

110 stories, the height of each tower, or 1,365 feet.

$3.2 billion, the price tag of the 99-year lease entered into by New York-developer Silverstein Properties Inc. and Los Angeles-based REIT Westfield America. The lease included the World Trade Center's twin towers.

$10 billion in real estate losses as estimated by Jones Lang LaSalle.

75,000 unemployment claims will be filed in New York as a result of the attacks, according to the Labor Department.

Venerable brokerage firm copes with Sept. 11 tragedy

NEW YORK -- For commercial brokerage firm Julien J. Studley, the deadly attack on the World Trade Center (WTC) was personal. Two employees located in the company's Downtown office on the 86th floor of Tower One of the WTC, one floor below where the first hijacked plane hit, failed to escape before the tower's collapse.

Jim Gartenberg, an associate director and broker with the firm, and Patricia Puma, an administrative assistant, were trapped together on the 86th floor. They could not escape due to debris blocking the stairways. Another employee, Jan Maciejewski, an information technology consultant assigned to the Midtown New York office, also is listed as missing.

Gartenberg and Puma spent their last precious moments phoning loved ones as well as emergency services and human resources personnel before the building crumbled. Gartenberg and Puma were hoping emergency personnel would arrive to lead them to the safety of solid ground. But the building collapsed before the crews could arrive.

Chairman and CEO Julien Studley said the loss of employees in this vicious attack was staggering. He takes small comfort in the fact that "by some miracle" 10 other employees who worked in the tower weren't at the office at the time of the attack. "It would have been even more catastrophic," Studley said.

Two other employees arrived at the WTC tower around 8:50 a.m., just a few minutes after the initial attack. One was in the downstairs lobby, another was about to board the elevator. This close call is affecting these two employees greatly, Studley explained. "These people have really been highly traumatized," he said.

At home on the Upper East side when the attack occurred, Studley tried to get information about the impact on the Downtown office. "They didn't have detailed information on where the plane hit," he said.

During those anxious moments, Studley felt the same shock and confusion that registered across the nation. Like others, he questioned whether the first impact was an accident, which soon was answered when the second plane slammed into Tower Two.

Working through their grief

For most commercial real estate firms, the process of assisting clients who suffered the loss of both employees and office space in the attack was a delicate one. For Julien J. Studley, the burden was even greater because of the company's personal loss.

Following the attack, the company is addressing the tragedy one day at a time. First, the company offered counseling to those employees trying to cope emotionally with the crisis. And because the Studley office at the WTC was destroyed, the company was forced to relocate 10 employees to either the corporate headquarters located in Midtown at 300 Park Ave., or the Edison Park, N.J., office at 333 Thornall St.

Easing back into a normal work routine has been difficult for most New Yorkers affected by the attack. Studley admitted that some employees at his firm have had problems coping. "You have to deal with it," he said. "You have to continue with life."

The tragedy brought the employees at Julien J. Studley closer together, according to the chairman. At the memorial service for Jim Gartenberg, nearly 1,000 people attended, including many employees of the firm. Six people spoke at the service, including Gartenberg's brokerage partner at Studley. At press time, memorial services had not been held for Puma and Maciejewski. Studley said most employees planned to attend to show their support for the victims and their families.

The brokerage firm has established the Studley Memorial Fund. The company will make contributions to the fund that will assist the families of the three victims. Contributions from Studley employees and other patrons also are welcome.

In the weeks following the attacks, brokers have been scrambling to find suitable office space for tenants. Transactions have occurred at record speeds. But a chilling reminder of the tragedy remains: the gaping hole where the twin towers once stood.

Two days after the attack, Studley smelled the acrid smoke filtering from "ground zero" through Midtown Manhattan. He was reminded at that moment of an attack that neither he, nor his employees, would ever be able to erase from memory.

-- Cristina Gait

NREI Associate Editor Cristina Gair is based in New York.

From the article: The devastation is staggering. The New York real estate market is reeling after the complete loss of approximately 13.4 million sq. ft. of office space following the explosions that caused the collapse of the 110- story twin towers -- Towers One and Two -- and four neighboring buildings in the WTC complex.

The explosions stemming from the aerial attacks, combined with falling debris and dust, caused structural damage to 4.8 million sq. ft. of office space in neighboring buildings, according to a special report on the attack prepared by New York-based Insignia/ESG

OK, explosions are admitted and apparently they are referenced in a "special report" prepared by New York-based Insignia/ESG

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-18   8:14:38 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: wakeup (#53)

Now, I think this one followed by Terror Storm may be a better hand out.

i agree.

christine  posted on  2006-09-18   9:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: jessejane (#0)

didya see these?

christine  posted on  2006-09-18   12:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: christine (#74)

didya see these?

I've been reading on and off this morning, intending to go back to various links to read. I'm curious about the press conference I missed on Friday. Do you have a link to it?

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-18   13:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: All (#75)

I'm curious about the press conference I missed on Friday.

Thanks Kamala!

Note: Video of press conference at link as well.

Title: September 15, 2006 :Press Conference of the President

URL Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060915-2.html

If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-18   14:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: wakeup (#56)

Damn, that was spooky... him yelling while the collapse begins.

That gave me goosebumps...very unnerving.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-09-18   18:39:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

How anyone can watch that and, at the minimum, not think some questions need to be answered . . .

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-19   0:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: who knows what evil, wakeup (#77)

Damn, that was spooky... him yelling while the collapse begins.

That gave me goosebumps...very unnerving.

I wasn't going to share this, but I just burst out crying at that point.

Arator just posted that these are now on google video, and combined into one video. The quality is better.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-19   0:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Arator (#40)

Very interesting insights, Critter. Please, keep us informed about what you find out

I called there today and left a message. He hasn't called back yet.

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-09-19   0:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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