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Title: Neocon pope
Source: Online Journal
URL Source: http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1213.shtml
Published: Sep 18, 2006
Author: Luciana Bohne
Post Date: 2006-09-18 07:24:45 by Eoghan
Keywords: None
Views: 172
Comments: 5

Some Italians began to refer to Pope Benedict XVI on his ascenscion to the throne of Peter as "the Panzer Kardinal," a nickname bestowed on him apparently by his German curiae colleagues. This was a sly reference to Benedict's disputed military past in the last days of the terminally delirious Third Reich -- and, perhaps, to his continuing reactionary politics.

Today, a better label might be "the neocon pope."

In a recent lecture ("polemic" would be a better word) at the University of Regensburg, where he had lectured in theology from 1969 to 1977, Pope Benedict XVI apparently made the dubious decision to catapult the Vatican into the fray of the fraudulent discourse on the "clash of civilizations." Propagated by Samuel Huntington, the "clash of civilizations" thesis is an "orientalist" piece of policy-driven, pseudo-scholarly screed on "cultures."

An "orientalist," in case you are wondering, is a "scholar" in the West who reveals the workings of the "Arab/Muslim mind," the supposed hang-ups of Arab/Muslim sexuality and "cultural" values, and the opinions on the "Arab/Muslim street" to "us."

The "orientalist" does not allow the "East" to speak for itself. It interprets the "East" for us, often as autocratic, passive, decayed after losing its past "greatness."

The "orientalist" creates a "discourse," meaning a rhetorical construct, through which the reality of the "East" is filtered and translated into a kind of scholarly fantasy, complete with vested terms, that enable and justify the project of imperialism.

So, for example, according to the "orientalist," "the Arabs/Muslims" typically are said to be incapable of conceiving of democracy. Thus "we" must bring it to "them." "The Arabs/Muslims" keep their women submissive. Thus "we" must "liberate" "them." "The Arab/Muslim" religion has a tendency toward authoritarianism. Thus, "we" must instruct their clerics to be more "democratic." "Islam" has unfortunate tendencies toward violence. Thus, "we" must talk "reason" to "it."

Hierarchical thinking is rooted in idealist dualistic thinking, typical of western philosophy since at least the time of Plato, which maintains that reality is but a pale echo of perfect forms "out there" beyond the material world (God being the most perfect of "forms," the essence of perfection).

It follows, therefore, that Catholic dogma would fall into the trap of believing that it is the superior religion, since it worships the most perfect of forms -- not only the omnipotent, benevolent god, but also the omniscient one, the all knowing and all-rational one.

Not surprisingly, Benedict's lecture carps on the virtues of reason as the faculty that ties the Christian's reason to God's reason.

It is with this philosophical background in mind, that the pope's pronouncements on Islam must be read, unfortunately -- as an exercise in hierarchical thinking. There is "us," and there is "them." In this hierarchical thinking, the "them" term comes off as the lesser category -- the one that needs to learn from "us."

It is a way of thinking that has been under assault by philosophers, linguists, historians, literary critics, even scientists, and other thinkers since the sixties. Multiculturalism is a product of thinking not hierarchically but in terms of "differences." According to "difference" thinking, it is not a question of regarding cultures with a view toward deciding "either/or" but toward acknowledging that both terms may be valid in their context.

"Difference" thinking embraces cultures and can foster tolerance; hierarchical, dualistic thinking separates cultures and can be regressive because it sets one category above the other in merit.

"Difference" thinking can be democratic; hierarchical thinking often is not.

Turning to Benedict's argument, we notice that he implies that Christianity is the superior religion because it links human reason to God's reason whereas Islam's god is "transcendent," meaning, Islam's god stands above human faculties and does not connect to them. Muslims, by this inference, would appear to have a tendency to act irrationally because god's reason has not been passed on to them. Thus, the pope sees Islamic "jihad" as "contrary to the nature of God, who acts with 'logos,' which means both 'word' and 'reason.'" I might add, that the pope here exhibits a very limited notion of "jihad" which really is akin to the Greek concept of "agon" or struggle to strive to be the best, morally and socially.

One is also tempted to point out that the idea that "we" are rational and "they" are "irrational" is the oldest cliche' in the Western discourse of imperialism, which sought to "civilize" the not-quite fully human "primitive," "childlike," and "savage" tribes in the lands that Europe coveted for conquest!

The fact that the pope spoke with authority on what one can only suspect, by the sound of it, was vintage CIA propaganda on "jihad," conceived in the years of the agency-funded and trained "jihadist" fervor in Afghanistan against the Soviets in the 80s, shows just how uninformed his platitudes on Islam really are. What does he know -- or want to know -- of the hotly contested and diversified intellectual milieu within Islam on the nature of Islam?

Judging by his remarks, practically nothing. Has he consulted with any historian of Islam in the "East" about which he speaks with such confidence?

Has the pope heard of Ali Shariatari, for example, arguably the most influential "rational" Iranian interpreter of Islam in the twentieth century? Shariatari sought to reinterpret Islam in terms of social justice. His notion of Islam, and particularly of Shi'i Islam, was as a potentially democratic force, capable of reforming Muslim political societies. His vision ran parallel to reformists within the Catholic church, who, since Vatican II, sought to return to Christ's teachings about caring for the poor, the oppressed, the "meek." Like the Vatican's own rebel priests and nuns who profess "the option for the poor," known as "Liberation Theology," Shariatari's interpretation of Islam did not call for a "violent" Islam but an Islam devoted to the elimination of social injustice for the impoverished and exploited Muslim masses.

This does not sound to me like an irrational "jihad" -- and it was properly called "jihad" -- as in the "struggle" for an egalitarian and democratic society, which, since the French Revolution, has been the struggle of Western societies for inclusive forms of democracy -- bitterly opposed, I might add, by the Vatican, with the notable exception of Pope John XXIII.

But, then, liberation theology is not something the pope wants to mention. "The option for the poor": Catholic jihad is frowned upon by the Vatican. Archibishop Romero of El Salvador, for example, died for defending the poor in 1980, but he has yet to be sanctified by the Vatican, while pro-Nazi, Croatian Archibishop of Zagreb, Stepinac, had no trouble entering the Olympos of Saints, in spite of a reprehensible record of collaboration with the Croatian Nazi-puppet regime that exterminated a good portion of Serbs, gypsies, partisans, and Jews in WW II.

And then again, who is the Vatican to speak for the supposedly traditional ties of human reason to God, having authorized the Inquisition to regularly barbecue Renaissance scientists in the Campo dei Fiori in Rome -- and other sites of papal roast-fests, broiling "heretics" throughout Europe -- and having hounded and terrorized Galileo Galilei into recantation of his gravitational theories? Poor Rene' Descartes spent his life shivering in fear of papal terror for pronouncing his faith in the integrity of the human individual as a rational being -- the very philosophy now championed 400 years too late by this pope as a badge of Christian superiority!

Ah, but the pope speaks on reason because reason can go too far! If, to quote from Benedict's lecture, "to act against reason is to act against the nature of god," then to try to substitute faith for science is the ultimate sacrilege. "Since the Enlightenment," Benedict opined in a mass prior to the lecture, "at least a part of science has engaged in rendering God superfluous and useless in our lives." Does he contradict himself -- is reason a good thing or not? Who judges when it goes too far? The Vatican! And who decides

similar issues in the "East"? Supreme Councils of Muslim jurists, that's who. Only the Supreme Councils have no "infallibility" provisions and are not a council of one!

And yet, the pope has the gall to speak against aspects of Islam that are "irrational" and fanatic, like any indoctrinated, US mass-media parrot of the official "war on terror" line. He says, "'Holy war' is against God, and fundamentalist Islam contradicts the prophet Mohammed." If you say so -- even if you don't bother to define or contextualize "holy war," "fundamentalism," or "Islam," relying instead on the sloganeering diction of the American neocon crazies and orientalists.

In a disastrous rhetorical choice -- or provocation -- this pope made a diplomatic blunder of the highest order in an already tense and strained moment in East/West relations. Why, for example, did he choose to quote from a historical nonentity like the Byzantine 14th-century emperor Manuel II Paleologos? Why, moreover, choose that particular quotation -- that Mohammed had brought to earth "evil and inhuman things such as his directive to spread the faith through the sword"? And what did Manuel's Muslim interlocutor say to that? Or was he, like the "orientalist's" "East," a construct of Manuel's imagination?

I must say, as an aside, that the pope has some chutzpah quoting -- without distancing himself from the quotation's assertion -- someone who condemns Islam for allegedly spreading the faith through the sword! The pope could have provided some background here on religions of the sword, but he chose, instead, to fake historical amnesia!

What, pray, was the imperial standard of the Roman Emperor Constantine, the guy who made Christianity the official religion of the crumbling Roman Empire? The "Labarum," or imperial standard was "a cross of light," described by Christian historian Eusebius, "as a long spear overlaid with gold" transversed by a bar to form a cross, within which were inscribed the Greek letters "chi" and "rho," (the "chi-rho" or initials of the Christ). From the spear was suspended a banner with the inscription in Greek, "TOUTO NIKA," or "Conquer by This Sign" -- "In Hoc Signo Vinces" in Latin. This standard applied to all of Constantine's neo-Christian legions and was placed on the legionnaires' military shield.

Don't they teach this stuff at children's catechism schools anymore?

Christianity a religion of peace? Give me a break! The Christianization of Europe was anything but "nonviolent." The Christianization of the Americas was anything but "nonviolent." Christianity, indeed, like Islam, may have been embraced as a religion of peace and justice and may be so taken by individual practitioners to this day, but the Christian hierarchy, especially at its apogee of political power in the Middle Ages, certainly didn't practice it as such.

Talk was cheap then and, apparently, is cheap now.

Meanwhile, Muslim leaders are calling for an apology for the pope's remarks on jihad, and for linking Islam with violence. The Head of the French Council for the Muslim Religion (CFCM), Dalil Boubaker, said, “We hope that the Church will very quickly . . . clarify its position so that it does not confuse Islam, which is a revealed religion, with Islamism, which is not a religion but a political ideology,”

[That remark would be referring to the Ayatollah Khomeini's "political Islamism"? Shariatari's "socialist Islamism"? Or the "Islamism" of the usual suspects -- "resistance Islamism," the one the US calls "terrorist" even when, like Hezbollah, it is a party of social-service providers with a military wing no one else, besides Israel, calls "terrorist"? The "terrorists' Islamism" of 9/11, which the FBI cannot identify as al-Qaeda's? See? Which "Islamism" is the speaker here referring to? If, in the Islamic context, the term is contestable, how can the pope, outside that world, pontificate on it?]

Turkey's Ali Bardakoglu, the head of the state-run religious affairs directorate, opposed the pope's planned visit to Turkey in November. His “is a statement full of enmity and grudge,” said Bardakoglu.

Haken al-Mutairi, secretary general of the Umma Party in Kuwait, urged the pope to apologise to the Muslim world for "calumnies against the Holy Prophet Mohammed and Islam."

Aiman Mazyek, president of Germany's Central Council of Muslims, reminded the pope of violent chapters in the history of the Roman Catholic Church: “After the bloodstained conversions in South America, the crusades in the Muslim world, the coercion of the Church by Hitler's regime, and even the coining of the phrase ‘holy war' by Pope Urban II, I do not think the Church should point a finger at extremist activities in other religions."

I agree.

I am aware (and was aware when I read Pope Benedict's Regensburg lecture) that he was calling for a dialogue "between civilizations" grounded in reason, which would mean grounded in the essence of the divine essence.

I was aware that the pope did not "intend" to malign Islam -- openly, as his lecture has been interpreted by critics, including by me.

However, this dialogue he was calling for had one, huge, gaping hole right at the center of its argument. It was calling EXCLUSIVELY on Islam to renounce violence.

That, no matter how you spin it, is neocon propaganda.

How a pope, the head of a state which only recently had been brought to condemn the US-sanctioned Israeli attack on Lebanon, could ask Islam to renounce violence and embrace dialogue while holding up to it the example of an allegedly rational Christian faith as a paragon of nonviolence, able to ditch violence by the grace of embracing god's reason -- THAT breathtakingly blind and arrogant assumption passes all limits of biased judgment and uncharitable opinion and crosses into prejudice. The pope simply cannot apply to his own confessional faith the standards he applies to the other faith, Islam.

He calls for peace-loving rationality in the other's faith while failing to administer the same medicine to his own.

We must put ourselves in the shoes of people digging themselves up out of the bomb debris in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Lebanon. We must hear the pope's words with the ears of these victims of objectively experienced violence, dumped from planes and caused by weapons wielded, as the pope sees it, by the rational, peace-loving Judeo-Christian West. Would the pope's call on you to call on your Islam to embrace nonviolence through reason find an echo in your ears? Or would you think the pope had no eyes or heart or lips to condemn the violence that destroyed your village, your home, your family, and your limbs because that violence is not violence when perpetrated by the Judeo-Christian West?

In your eyes, as the victim of violent aggression by the "rational," "enlightened," and "peace-loving," "Christian" West, the pope's words calling on you to make your religion more rational, gentler, less violent, and more in tune with god's nature might sound a bit eccentric, wouldn't you say? Luciana Bohne teaches film and literature at Edinboro University of Pennsylvania. She can be reached at lbohne@edinboro.edu.

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#1. To: Eoghan (#0)

The Pope is one of many frauds that we have allowed to exist in our midst for far too long. To consider the "Vatican" a Sovereign State is ludicrous.

Frauds:

(1). Vatican (Permitted Sovereign Status by fascist dictator "Mussolini" ... )

(2). State of Israel (Implemented under UN authorization at the behest of Lord Rothschild).

(3). "The City" in London. (Sovereign entity similar in nature to Washington D.C., and is the International Bankers and Lawyers lair.)

None of the above Sovereign entities deserves an ounce of respect or recognition as all are simply illusions created by criminals. These are the home-offices of the International Mafia.

"eventus stultorum magister"

Fools must be taught by experience

noone222  posted on  2006-09-18   7:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eoghan (#0)

What do you expect from the former head of the Inquisition.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2006-09-18   10:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eoghan (#0)

It follows, therefore, that Catholic dogma would fall into the trap of believing that it is the superior religion

This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the fact the Vatican Banks assets are tied to the d0llar. Peace.

Tet  posted on  2006-09-18   11:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eoghan, All (#0)

What, pray, was the imperial standard of the Roman Emperor Constantine, the guy who made Christianity the official religion of the crumbling Roman Empire? The "Labarum," or imperial standard was "a cross of light," described by Christian historian Eusebius, "as a long spear overlaid with gold" transversed by a bar to form a cross, within which were inscribed the Greek letters "chi" and "rho," (the "chi-rho" or initials of the Christ). From the spear was suspended a banner with the inscription in Greek, "TOUTO NIKA," or "Conquer by This Sign" -- "In Hoc Signo Vinces" in Latin. This standard applied to all of Constantine's neo-Christian legions and was placed on the legionnaires' military shield.

Don't they teach this stuff at children's catechism schools anymore?

Christianity a religion of peace? Give me a break! The Christianization of Europe was anything but "nonviolent." The Christianization of the Americas was anything but "nonviolent." Christianity, indeed, like Islam, may have been embraced as a religion of peace and justice and may be so taken by individual practitioners to this day, but the Christian hierarchy, especially at its apogee of political power in the Middle Ages, certainly didn't practice it as such.

Talk was cheap then and, apparently, is cheap now.

Meanwhile, Muslim leaders are calling for an apology for the pope's remarks on jihad, and for linking Islam with violence. The Head of the French Council for the Muslim Religion (CFCM), Dalil Boubaker, said, “We hope that the Church will very quickly . . . clarify its position so that it does not confuse Islam, which is a revealed religion, with Islamism, which is not a religion but a political ideology,”

For a preview of what I am going to say, you might want to see my brief[er] comment yesterday on this subject: http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=34957 #14. Some people may take offense at what I have to say, but they need to understand Jesus didn't die on the cross to establish the Pope as the king of the world. He died to be the Savior of all mankind, and to bring all mankind back to Himself, the Father. Jesus is God; Jesus is the King of kings, and no one else. Isaiah 9:6-7. All knees will bend to JESUS, not the Pope.

We are living in a time of GREAT deception [Revelation 20:7-8]. The devil only has a little time, and he is pulling out all stops to take as many of us as he can where he's going.

If the truth be known, Islam is a religion revealed to the Arabs by the VATICAN....and I wish they would stop confusing Christianity, as revealed to the apostles, with Roman Catholicism, which is ALSO a political ideology.

"....The Egyptian Trinity: Isis, Horus and Seth.....

IHS also stands for IN HOC SIGNO VINCES or IN THIS SIGN CONQUER. It was first used by Emperor Constantine when he changed the **** Roman eagle **** for the CROSS....." [i.e., IF YOU CAN'T BEAT 'EM, JOIN 'EM!! AND DESTROY THEM FROM WITHIN. Psalm 2.]

http://www.reformation.org/pharao h.html

http://www.reformation.org/pope-constantine.html

The Inquisition was perpetrated by a "Jewish" [Revelation 2:9] Pope, and for this Christians have been blamed, although Christian is not synonymous with Catholic, and furthermore, this, I can only imagine, has been a big stumbling block to bring the Jews to Christ, which I have to believe was the intent. Furthermore, the Jewish elite have said that a JEW will be the "true pope of the world".

"462

"Mrs. Van Hyning, I am surprised at your surprise. You are a student of history -- and you know that both the Borgias and the Mediciis are Jewish families of Italy. Surely you know that there have been Popes from both of these house. Perhaps it will surprise you to know that we have had 20 Jewish Popes, and when you have sufficient time, which may coincide with my free time, I can show you these names and dates. You will learn from these that: The crimes committed in the name of the Catholic Church were under Jewish Popes. The leaders of the inquisition was one, de TorQuemada, a Jew." (Woman's Voice, November 25, 1953) "

1001 Quotes By and About Jews

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THE JEWISH BORGIAS AS JESUITS:

http://www.reformation.org/don-francis-borgia.html

[traces Skull and Bones]

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Furthermore, we never hear anymore about the Holocaust of PROTESTANT Christians at the hands of the Vatican, one they are preparing again, with their invasion of Catholic bands from south of the border, and the White House, Congress, and Supreme Court in the hands of Judeo-Masonic-Catholic antiChrists. As you read the following, keep in mind the Noahide Laws the Bush Family have been instrumental in establishing as the basis of our government, which call for the beheading of Christians who do not reject Christ, and also Bush's tribunals and torture wish-list. Also know that Bush's roots are Jewish, and he is studying the Talmud and Laura has Kosherized the WH kitchen. Bush is also related to the British Monarchy, as are most of our Presidents, including George Washington, who was Grand Master of the Lodge while being President, was a crypto-Catholic, while getting financing for the Revolutionary War from the Jewish Haim Solomon, who was an arm of the Rothschilds [see The Pilgrim Society at http://watch.pair.com]. When the contrived war, the first of many, ended, Cornwallis told Washington that "a holy war will now begin against America....and in two hundred years her churches will be teaching the Jews' religion....". [search http://sweetliberty.org]

EXCERPT:

WHERE WILL BE THE NEXT HOLOCAUST?

The strength and the weakness of the Catholic Church is her unshakable belief that she is the ONLY repositor of Truth; since it is the right of truth to eliminate error, it follows that it is her duty to eliminate anything which is not consonant with Truth, namely with HER truth.

Because there cannot be two truths, any truth which is not hers are ipso facto errors. Because truth has the right to eliminate error, it is the duty of the Catholic Church to oppose and annihilate the latter.

That means that she is empowered to use any means, persuasion if possible but force if necessary, to prevent error from opposing truth; that is to oppose her Truth.

Her logic is faultlessly uncompromising, hence her dogmatism, both theological and operational. These have not been confined to abstractions, moral issues, or eschatological speculations. They have trespassed into the fields of concrete policies and have permeated her conduct from the beginning.

As soon as Constantine gave official recognition as a religion, she started to harass both Christians and non-Christians, who were not consonant with her. Her harassment of those not conforming with her commenced as early as the Fourth Century AD.

Such behaviour became a tradition. It lasted and progressed for more than a thousand years. The apex of her intolerance eventually became epitomized by the Inquisition. The latter, in the Spanish Inquisition, which terrorized the whole of Europe for more than five centuries.

Her claims of being the ONLY holder of truth, the fountain-spring of her historic intolerance, has never been revoked by her. She has maintained it with ever increasing resolution and ferocity until our own days. All her past actions bespeak of the constancy of such immutable intolerance. Since the Fourth Century AD her conduct has been patterned on nothing else.

The immutability of her resolve to compel everything and everybody to accept her belief, is compounded by her other belief that it is her duty to save the souls of ALL CHRISTIANS. A charge which culminated with the other belief, extension of such Catholic salvation to all mankind.

Hers is not a sporadic theological caprice of overzealous individuals. The Church has made it an official policy and objective of her own since the earliest times............."

Chapter 24

WHERE WILL BE THE NEXT HOLOCAUST?

http://www.reformation.org/holoc2 4.html

The Spanish Inquisition in the U.S.

"On Nov. 11, 2004, President Bush nominated Roberto Gonzales—a full blooded Mexican—for the position of Attorney General of the U.S.

There is even talk of nominating Gonzales for the position of Justice of the Supreme Court of the U.S.

All that left is for a Hispanic to become President of the U.S.

This move is part of a sinister plot by the Jesuits and the Spanish Inquisition to put the Bull of Borgia into effect in the U.S.........."

"...Pope Alexander VI (1492-1503), the infamous Borgia gave the New World to Spain. He was a MONSTER of INIQUITY even by the standards of his day....."

"The Sack of Rome in 1527 in order to prevent King Henry's divorce!!

The brutal Spanish Inquisition wanted to keep England occupied in order to conquer the entire New World. Their agent in England was Catherine of Aragon, daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella the Catholic.

The Lord shut up Catherine's womb and prevented her from having male children. King Henry VIII grew tired of her and applied to the Pope for a divorce. Pope Clement was ready to grant Henry VIII a divorce from the witch Catherine of Aragon in order to marry Saint Anne Boleyn.

King Henry was ready to pay up to half his kingdom in gold for the divorce. The gold reached Rome in the Spring of 1527.

The Spanish Inquisition was alarmed when King Henry asked the Pope for permission to divorce Catherine of Aragon and marry Saint Anne Boleyn.

This meant that an English queen who favored the Reformation would encourage King Henry to follow up on the Discovery of the New World by John Cabot.

The Spanish attacked the city of Rome and committed unspeakable tortures on the inhabitants. They stole the gold that Henry sent for the divorce and made the Pope a prisoner.

With no divorce and no gold, King Henry turned in disgust from the "church" of Rome and made himself Pope in his kingdom....."

"...The Borgia-Jesuit Connection!!......"

"...Roosevelt's Attorney General founded the FBI—Federal Bureau of Inquisition!!

Charles Joseph Bonaparte was the grand nephew of Emperor Napoleon and attorney General under Theodore Roosevelt from 1906 to 1909.

He founded the Bureau of Inquisition which later became know as the "Federal" Bureau of Inquisition or the FBI. He also founded an organization called the American Protective League (APL) which spied on patriotic people who exposed Rome's activities. People confused it with the patriotic U.S. Protective Association or the APA.

The FBI under J. Edgar Hoover created a brutal dictatorship in the U.S. with total control of the press, radio, and television.

This dictatorship led to the Great Depression, the "election" of FDR in1932, the building of the Pentagon, the atomic bomb, the Cold War, the fake moon landings, the wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, etc., etc., etc.

The Pentagon wants a Spanish Inquisition Pope—to restore the lost Papal States!!

Believe it or not the Pentagon wants a Spanish Inquisition Pope in order to restore the lost Papal States.... They have decided to fight God Almighty Himself....Their puppet President Bush has already nominated a Mexican for Attorney General. This will fit in perfectly with their plans to put the Bull of Borgia into effect in the U.S.

The Pentagon was founded by Rockefeller, Roosevelt, and J. Edgar Hoover. It is a HUGE fortress that totally dominates Washington DeCeit.

They look to the Jesuit General in Rome as their commanding officer.

They are determined that the next Pope will be a Spanish Inquisition Pope in order to put the Bull of Borgia into effect in the U.S.

"Electing" a Spanish Pope will be very, very expensive for the Pentagon. They will have to offer HUGH BRIBES to the College of Cardinals in order to overcome the centuries old opposition to the Spanish. With unlimited funds from the "Protestant" U.S. taxpayers and their expertise in fixing "elections" that should be no problem however.

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For Protestant Christians only!!

St. Paul was the founder of Christ's congregation in Spain after he had established God's congregation at Rome. St. Paul said:

"Whensoever I take my journey into Spain, I will come to you: for I trust to see you in my journey, and to be brought on my way thitherward by you, if first I be somewhat filled with your company" (Romans 15:24).

"When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit, I will come by you into Spain" (Romans 15:28). The Knights of Columbus have the Borgia Pope as their patron. They have not relinquished their dream of making America Roman Catholic. Tom Ridge of Romeland Insecurity is one of their members.Millions of Spanish speaking people have entered the U.S. since 1964 with the intent of putting this BULL into effect. Don't be a victim like John Cabot and his crew and millions of others who perished by the infernal Spanish Inquisition.

If you wait until the last Pope starts speaking to them in Spanish and telling them that its "convert or die" time it will be too late. St. Paul was the founder of the congregation of Spain. God does not want this alien force controlling Spain or Latin America ... or any country of the world.

Win these dupes of Rome to the REAL Christ of the Bible NOW and take away all the Vatican's weapons. Rome has trusted in her armour of lies, forgeries, counterfeits and propaganda to lay claim to the New World. Jesus said:

"When a strong man (Pope, Spanish Inquisition) armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he (JESUS) shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils" (Luke 11:21-22). The LORD JESUS CHRIST is the STRONG MAN who defeated Satan 2000 years when He established His kingdom. He left the "mopping up" operation to His bride—the true congregation. He promised that the GATES of HELL would not prevail against her and that He would be with us always even unto the END of the world, amen!!"

The Spanish Inquisition in the U.S.

http://www.reformation.org/us-spanish-inquisition.html

"....The Twin Towers in New York City were built by the Rockefeller brothers David and Nelson. After their demolition on 9-11-01, the Rockefeller Syndicate controlled Pentagon was ordered to take control of the world’s last remaining oil reserves in the Caspian Sea, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. To control the U.S. and world economy has been the devilish dream of Rome and the Rockefeller dynasty since the fall of the Papal States in 1870!!..."

http://www.reformation.org/quick-rockefeller-preview.html

Pope John Paul II Had a Jewish Mother?

http://www.cephas- library.com/catholic/catholic_pope_has_jewish_mother.html

".....Judeo-Masonry controls the Vatican since 1958, and this is the beginning of understanding the moral decline in the world since that time....."

http://www.cephas- library.com/catholic/catholic_pope_has_jewish_mother.html

Pope, Jews, Muslems HERE COMES THE GLOBAL CHURCH:

"Pope John Paul II To Climb Mt. Sinai With Jewish, Muslem Leaders

Pope John Paul II is going to climb Mount Sinai with Jewish and Muslem leaders as he continues to center the unity of the churches and religions around Abraham of old..."

"...London Times

January 6, 1997

Pope will apologise to Jews for past errors

From Richard Owen In Rome

The Vatican is to apologise formally for the "anti-Semitic errors" of Catholicism as part of an attempt to reconcile the three great monotheistic religions - Christianity, Judaism and Islam - in time for the millennium....."

".....Mgr. Fisichella said that the Commission would tackle the delicate question of the roots of anti-Semitism in the New Testament, where the Jews are represented as the enemies of Christ. The Second Vatican Council first broached the issue in the 1960s by declaring that Christians and Jews had a "common spiritual patrimony" and that "what happened in Christ's passion cannot be blamed on all the Jews then living, nor on Jews living today".

The present Pope knelt in prayer at Auschwitz in 1979 and at the Rome Synagogue in 1986, when he acknowledged the "discrimination and oppression suffered by Jews in Christian countries over the centuries". The Vatican established diplomatic relations with Israel in 1993.........."

http://www.users.stargate.net /~ejt/wc18.htm

What is that the Mossad says? "By Deception Thou Shalt Do War"! Judges 18:19, to the pagan Levite priest: "...Hold thy peace, lay thine hand upon thy mouth, and go with us, and be to us a father and a priest: is it better for thee to be a priest unto the house of one man, or that thou be a priest unto a tribe and a family in Israel?"

IN THE PILLORY

THE TALE OF THE BORGIA POPE

http://www.reformation.org/in-the-pillory.html

THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES

http://www.biblebelievers.org .au/luther.htm

Interesting article here, although I do not agree with every jot and tittle. Pope calling the kettle black:

The Vatican and Islam

The Cross and the Crescent unmasked at last!!

Islam: The best enemy money can buy!!

[or the connection between the Vatican and Islam]

http://www.reformation.org/vatican-and-islam.html

How the Vatican created Islam

http://www.red- ice.net/specialreports/2006/04apr/catholicislam.html

a tract:

The Prophet

Part VI of Alberto Rivera's testimony. Learn how the papacy helped start Islam, only to have this new daughter rebel against her.....

http://www.c hick.com/reading/comics/0117/theprophetindex.asp

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In your eyes, as the victim of violent aggression by the "rational," "enlightened," and "peace-loving," "Christian" West, the pope's words calling on you to make your religion more rational, gentler, less violent, and more in tune with god's nature might sound a bit eccentric, wouldn't you say?...."

I hope by now, people will see that the US, a private corporation of murderes and thieves, which does not represent the America founded by God, is not governed by Christians, but by Judeo-Masonic-Catholicism, which is not based on Christianity as proclaimed by the Prince of Peace:

Mat 5:9 Blessed [are] the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

http://www.bluelette rbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat005.html#9

http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Mat/5/9.html

...and in fact, we are now considered "terrorists" for holding that view that was delivered in the Sermon on the Mount, instead of the "with us or against us" antiChrist mentality of the Bush NeoCons. They are conjuring up nuclear attacks on AMERICA with OUR NAME ON IT, as if WE were the perpetrators of hate, and NOT THEM.

Instead of continually ranting against Christianity, some of these people should take a breath, and at least learn what it is, before they start condemning us all with the broad brush of what it is NOT, for that imposter will soon be plucked up. Ezekiel 17:1-10, Matthew 15:13.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-18   15:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#1)

good post!

The Pope is one of many frauds that we have allowed to exist in our midst for far too long. To consider the "Vatican" a Sovereign State is ludicrous.

Frauds:

(1). Vatican (Permitted Sovereign Status by fascist dictator "Mussolini" ... )

[comment: see also Simon Peter versus Simon the Sorcerer or St. Peter Meets the Competition!! http://www.reformation.org/simon_peter_versus_simon_magus.html and MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT - CATHOLIC OR JEWISH? http://www.watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html ]

(2). State of Israel (Implemented under UN authorization at the behest of Lord Rothschild).

[comment: and with the help of the Rothschild's American arm, the Rockefellers: http://www.reformation.org/israel.html and http://www.reformation.org/rockefeller.html ]

(3). "The City" in London. (Sovereign entity similar in nature to Washington D.C., and is the International Bankers and Lawyers lair.)

[comment: otherwise known as "the Crown", been around for about 800 years. Symbolized by the Dragon:

City of London: Dragon statue at Temple Bar monument. ... www.answers.com/topic/city-of-london . The Dragon figures prominently in the contrived Revolutionary War: Green Dragon Tavern, Boston, Massachusetts Original bar was a meeting place for the Sons of Liberty during the Revolutionary War. ... www.ratebeer.com/Place/state/ city/green-dragon-tavern/6776.htm ]

None of the above Sovereign entities deserves an ounce of respect or recognition as all are simply illusions created by criminals. These are the home-offices of the International Mafia.

More on the dragon:

The Red Dragon and Rome. A second pope, Paolo V (1605-1621) also used a winged dragon on his heraldic shield along with an eagle. www.aloha.net/~mikesch/dragon.htm -

Imperial and Royal Dragon Court and Order Much of the European Community recognizes the Dragon Court as an ethnic racial ... www.geocities.com/newworldorder_ themovie/dragoncourt.html www.zenit.org/english/archive/0005/ZE000514.html - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

Rome, Italy Vatican Library, St. Peter's Cathedral_3 ... Sphere Within A Sphere, Dragon Fountain, St. Peter's Cathedral_5 ... infomotions.com/gallery/rome/index.shtml

MARDUK - SNAKE-DRAGON-SUNGOD OF BABYLON In the Vatican-museum the Vatican proudly displays and cherishes its Crest; the snake-dragon of Marduk. It is also their oldest piece. ... magic-mirror.4ya.nl/Vatican/marduk-babylon-en.html

Papal Crest Dragon; Dragon on a large papal crest in the Vatican museum. Vatis = diviner, can = serpent. Vatican = The Divining Serpent. ... historical.benabraham.com/html/papal_crest_dragon.html

Dragon at St Peters Basilica mattfitt.com/gallery2/v/europe/ Italy/Vatican/St+Peters+Basilica+05.JPG.html -

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

WWIII and the final clash between Judaism, Islam, and Christianity was laid out by the Judeo-Freemason Albert Pike in 1871, as given to him by his "spirit guide", who I do not doubt was Satan. [THE ILLUMINATI AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS].

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-18   16:35:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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