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Title: Scott Ritter: Neocons are 'Elitist, Godless Parasites'
Source: Raw Story
URL Source: http://btpholdings.blogspot.com/200 ... itter-neocons-are-elitist.html
Published: Mar 25, 2005
Author: Larisa Alexandrovna
Post Date: 2005-04-12 21:39:03 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: Parasites, Elitist,, Ritter:
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Scott Ritter: Neocons are 'Elitist, Godless Parasites'

Former UN weapons inspector says NeoCons parasites of GOP

By Larisa Alexandrovna March 25, 2005, RAW STORY

This is the third of RAW STORY's series of conversations with former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter. In the first installment, Ritter spoke about the situations as regards weapons in Iraq, Iran and Russia. In the second, Ritter enumerated what he saw as the failings of the U.S. intelligence operation, calling the CIA 56;terminally ill.57;

In this final part of the three-part series, the former weapons inspector details his beliefs about the neoconservative movement, the American legislative process and his hopes for the future.

Congressional Catch-22

Raw Story57;s Larisa Alexandrovna: Paul Wolfowitz stated prior to the Iraq invasion that Iraqi reconstruction would pay for itself. It seems that Mr. Wolfowitz, now charged with handling the World Bank, miscalculated. What is going on with the oil in Iraq?

Former UN Weapons Scott Ritter: Paul Wolfowitz was a salesman; his job was to sell a war. He acknowledged this in an interview with Vanity Fair magazine, in which he acknowledged that WMDs and the threat they posed, was nothing more than a vehicle to sell this war to America. Now you come to the war itself and selling it to Congress and questions: How long will this take? Or how much will this cost? etc…

Paul Wolfowitz lied to Congress about the costs of war. There is not a responsible member of government who thought this would be quick and cheap. There was nobody who believed that Iraq oil would pay for itself, no one in the oil business thought so.

Raw Story: What about oil companies, were they for the war or against it?

Ritter: No oil professional in their right mind would support what is happening in Iraq. This isn57;t part of a grand 56;oil57; strategy; it is simply pure unadulterated incompetence.

Raw Story: So they are concerned about their bottom lines, and chaos doesn’t forward that goal.

Ritter: Right. Oil company executives are businessmen and they are in a business that requires long-term stability. They love dictators because they bring with them long-term stability. They don’t like new democracies because they are messy and unstable. I have not run into a major oil company that is willing to refurbish the Iraq oil fields and in invest in oil field exploration and development. These are multi-billion dollar investments, that in order to be profitable, must be played out over decades. And in Iraq today you cannot speak out to projecting any stability in the near to mid-future.

Raw Story: Okay, so now to Congress. They approved the war. I know we have discussed the post-9/11 reality and the pressure of not seeming unpatriotic.

Ritter: Yes, but they also approved the war because Congress had been locked into a corner by the NeoCons in 1998. Our policy in Iraq since 1991 has been regime change.

How many times did G H. W. Bush have to say “we will not remove sanctions until Saddam is removed from power?” Bill Clinton inherited this policy of regime change, but the Bush policy was not an active policy, it was a passive policy to strangle, as it were, Saddam. It was not our policy to take him out through military strength. Saddam, however, was able to out-maneuver this policy, he did not get weaker he got stronger. The NeoCons played on the political implications of this, to box the Clinton administration and Congress into a corner.

When you declare Saddam to be a threat with WMDs and then do nothing, you have a political problem. The NeoCons played on this. In 1998, the Heritage Foundation, Paul Wolfowitz and the American Enterprise Institute… basically drafted legislation became the Iraq liberation act. This is public law. So when people ask why did Congress vote for the current war in Iraq, it is simply that they had already voted for it in 1998, they were trapped by their own vote.

Raw Story: So your implication is that in our current foreign policy the NeoCons have set the tone via thinktanks or supposed thinktanks?

Ritter: Yes. Look at who funds the American Enterprise Institute, and the Heritage Foundation, and I think you57;ll have your answer.

The American Heritage Leninist

Raw Story: What do you think these institutions are trying to achieve? I know the public claim is conservative values, but there is a some speculation regarding what appears more like Leninist, even Trotskyite values, especially given the current domestic government involvement and control or attempt at control of almost every facet of society, economy, family, etc. Even the term Leninist was used by the Heritage Foundation to describe their approach to Social Security during the 1980’s (read it here - PDF).

Ritter: A high level source, a NeoCon at that, within the system has said to me directly that “John’s Bolton job is to destroy the UN, Rice’s job is to destroy the State Department’s and replace it with a vehicle of facilitation for making the Pentagon’s national security policy.”

Raw Story: And what of Karen Hughes’ appointment?

Ritter: Hughes she is a salesperson; she will sell the policy. She is irrelevant. She is nothing. Her appointment means nothing. Rice has already capitulated to the Pentagon and the White House, and Hughes57; appointment is but a manifestation of that larger reality.

The NeoCons are parasites. They build nothing. They bring nothing. They don’t have a foundation. They don’t stand for business. They don’t stand for ideology. They use a host to facilitate and grow their own power. They are parasites that latch onto oil until it is no longer convenient. They latch on to Democracy until it is no longer convenient.

Rice’s appointment to the State Department is simply to reshape it into a NeoCon vehicle.

Raw Story: Why the State Department? Why Rice?

Ritter: The State Department still has free thinkers in it. Rice is a dilettante. Anyone who was there during the Reagan era and her advising on Soviet policy knows how inept she is. She is not there because she is a brilliant Secretary of State.

The media has bought into this, because the NeoCons cleverly put a woman, an African American woman at that, into this position. So when Rice goes abroad, people do not look at the stupid things she says, they look at what she was wearing and such.

‘Godless people who want power, nothing more’

Raw Story: So you believe the NeoCons are elitist parasites?

Ritter: Yes, elitism is the perfect term.

Raw Story: Do you consider it localized or global elitism?

Ritter: The NeoCons believe in what they think is a noble truth, power of the few, the select few. These are godless people who want power, nothing more. They do not have a country or an allegiance, they have an agenda. These people might hold American passports, but they are not Americans because they do not believe in the Constitution. They believe in the power of the few, not a government for or by the people. They are a few and their agenda is global.

Raw Story: You suggest the Republican Party is simply an organizational host. Is there any vestige left of the host or has the entire party been devoured?

Ritter: The Republicans have been neutered by the NeoCons.

Raw Story: Your concept of NeoCons seems confusing because, using your host/parasite paradigm, they cannot tell between the host and the parasite which invades it.

Ritter: I know people who have worked for George H. W. Bush, both when he was Vice President and President. Bush Sr. called the NeoCons the “crazies in the basement.” I think it is dangerous to confuse the two, because there are Americans who love their country and are conservatives who do not support what is going on. Until the host rejects the parasite, it is difficult to separate the two. Brent Scowcroft for example is not a NeoCon, yet people call him one. Scowcroft worked hard to reign in the “crazies in the basement,” as did Reagan.

Raw Story: Many have defined the NeoCon movement based on the highly intellectual, albeit warped, musings of Strauss and Bloom. Yet one could hardly call the current leadership intellectual or even capable of digesting this philosophy. Even NeoCon thinkers are jumping off the ship. Do you believe this is simply trickle-down Machiavellianism in much the same way that Communism trickled down as an aberration of its original intent?

Ritter: No plan survives initial contact with the enemy. The NeoCon ideology was always hypothetical in its pure application until now. What we are seeing today is what happens when theory (bad theory at that) makes contact with reality. You get chaos, through which the NeoCons are now trying to navigate.

Raw Story: Is Karl Rove a NeoCon?

Ritter: Karl Rove is not part of the neo-conservative master group; he is a host.

Raw Story: Then who is in steering the ship?

Ritter: An oligarchy of 56;public servant57; classes who are drawn from business, and serve naked economic interests. This is true whether you are Democrat or Republican.

Patriot Enactment

Raw Story: Several insiders have expressed concern over possible oil shortage riots. Would the Patriot Act be put to use, in your opinion, to address such riots?

Ritter: [The Patriot Act] is simply the NeoCons putting their judicial agenda in place by other means. It was a compilation of all of the conservative initiatives, not NeoCon initiatives, which the conservative Republicans have been pushing for, including a more conservative law enforcement element.

This is not unhealthy as long is it is done properly, through legislation, proper channels of debate and discourse. A lot of this had been submitted in the past, but was rejected. After 9/11 all of these initiatives were lumped together.

There are some things in the Patriot Act I agree with, but the Patriot Act requires a responsible society. The NeoCons, they have no interest in a responsible society; they simply used the conservatives as a vehicle to push an agenda to assault the individual civil liberties.

As the Patriot Act is now, how it came about, is entirely un-American. It is extreme legislation that does nothing to address the issues it professes to, but moreover, it is as an existing law, un-American. What makes it un-American is that no one read it before they voted for it. So the process was un-American, and the motivation behind it was un-American. We cannot have a nation that is governed by fear. The patriot act is un-American simply because it exists.

Raw Story: So how do citizens address this situation since the very means of addressing it via Congress seem to have been closed off?

Ritter: Congress has ceased to function as a viable tool of government. What is needed is for leaders of honor to resign in protest.

Raw Story: I have had this conversation some in Congress and have asked about their thoughts on shutting down Congress and cleaning house. Their counter is that they are afraid to “leave the crazies in control.”

Ritter: They are already in control. If the people want to heal this country, the people have to purge the failing of this country. Vote them out, it might take two or three cycles, but it will happen and it will take time.

Everyone who voted for the war in Iraq should be voted out of office because it violated article six of the Constitution. Everyone who voted for the Patriot Act needs to go because they did not represent the people by voting on legislation they did not read. They have to go, regardless of party. They have through their actions decided who stays and who goes.

Hope, and worries, for the future

Raw Story: You suggest Americans vote out all who voted for these measures. If New Yorkers voted out Hillary, who voted for both the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq, and who is also leading pack of the Democratic Party for the 2008 nomination, what then?

Ritter: Hillary is the manifestation of all that ails the Democratic Party. She stands for nothing. She has been compromised by her voting record70;how can she stand for anything worth supporting? And yet, she will be the Democratic nominee in 2008, thus guaranteeing another NeoCon/Republican victory. 56;Dump Hillary Now57; would be the smartest move Dean could make as the new Democratic National Committee Chair70;. Like I said, it might take two or three cycles, but it will happen and it will take time.

Raw Story: What about Dean?

Ritter: Dean has to be part of the process of rebuilding and that will take time. Dean cannot run for President, because Dean cannot run as a Democrat51;the party is not set up to sustain someone like him. He is one of the exceptions in a corrupt party. He is also not corrupted by his voting record. He is someone who represents something, he did not vote for the war in Iraq, for example.

Raw Story: We talked about this current social crisis as a closed loop during the second installment. Have you ever seen a loop like this throughout the history of the US? What does this mean?

Ritter: The American experiment is much too complex to be destroyed by the NeoCons. In the end, the NeoCons will lose. It may take ten to twelve more years, and the costs will be horrific, but America will survive. There will be one hell of a mess to clean up, though, after the fall of the NeoCons.

Raw Story: Where do you see America, should things continue as is, in five years from now?

Ritter: At war, bankrupt morally and fiscally, and in great pain70;.and only half-way through the nightmare. Ten to twelve years is what we will have to get through, but we will get through it. (1 image)

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#1. To: All (#0)

We urge you to read the entire 3-part interview to get a good grasp of the situation as Ritter sees it. He has been right up to now and from what I have seen here, he will continue to be right.

Unless the people clearly take control and massively vote against all of those who voted in favor of the war in Iraq and the Patriot Act, we will never rid the country of the present scourge.

And for those of you who say they will just steal the elections I ask you, how do you think they will steal them when 80% or more of the people vote against them?

Do you think that may be a bit unrealistic? Perhaps at the present time, but time has way of changing what may seem unchangable. And change it will. The survival of the nation is at stake if there is no Clarion Call to awaken the masses.

Make no mistake, there will have to be great personal sacrifice from every member of society. Everyone will have to do with fewer luxuries and tighten their belts. This will be necessary as the rise in inflationary pressures continues with fuel price increases, which will affect the cost of everything.

It is unquestionable that, as Ritter suggests, in five years time this country will be in pain. And that pain, or the realization that is is coming, will be the impetus for the change we see on the horizon.

And we will have to be tough to throw the scoundrels out once and for all. Raise the 'black flag' and give no quarter. We are at war and the barbarians are inside the gates.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-12   21:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BTP Holdings, tommythemadartist, christine, crack monket, red jones, neil McIver, wake up (#1)

Intelligent, insightful and realistic comments, Mr. B. My nomination for "Post Of The Day".

tom007  posted on  2005-04-12   21:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

The NeoCons believe in what they think is a noble truth, power of the few, the select few. These are godless people who want power, nothing more. They do not have a country or an allegiance, they have an agenda. These people might hold American passports, but they are not Americans because they do not believe in the Constitution. They believe in the power of the few, not a government for or by the people. They are a few and their agenda is global.

Raw Story: You suggest the Republican Party is simply an organizational host. Is there any vestige left of the host or has the entire party been devoured?

The Republicans have been neutered by the NeoCons.

Ritter nails it here. Excellent interview and post.

christine  posted on  2005-04-12   21:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tom007, BTPHoldings (#2)

I second that.

christine  posted on  2005-04-12   21:59:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: crack monkey (#1)

Misspelled name, PING!

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-12   23:57:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings, crack monkey (#5)

BTP Holdings, tommythemadartist, christine, crack monket

I like the sound of crack monket!

It's kind of cute.

Diana  posted on  2005-04-13   4:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BTP Holdings, christine, Zipporah, noone222, Red Jones, Jhoffa_ (#1)

Make no mistake, there will have to be great personal sacrifice from every member of society. Everyone will have to do with fewer luxuries and tighten their belts. This will be necessary as the rise in inflationary pressures continues with fuel price increases, which will affect the cost of everything.

Well said.

Also many people aren't aware how many products we use in every day life are made from oil.

Everything will go up in price (as more jobs are lost). I think we're in for some very rocky times ahead, to put it mildly.

Diana  posted on  2005-04-13   4:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Raw Story: Where do you see America, should things continue as is, in five years from now?

Ritter: At war, bankrupt morally and fiscally, and in great pain, and only half-way through the nightmare. Ten to twelve years is what we will have to get through, but we will get through it.

Ritter sees things clearly. Great post!

Arator  posted on  2005-04-13   4:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All, *Restore the Republic* (#8)

Ping!

Arator  posted on  2005-04-13   4:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Raw Story: Then who is in steering the ship?

Ritter: An oligarchy of 56;public servant57; classes who are drawn from business, and serve naked economic interests. This is true whether you are Democrat or Republican.

If business interests run the country, why have they allowed the neocons to take over?

aristeides  posted on  2005-04-13   7:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

I once bought a set of Encyclopedic library books that were being disposed of that were written by Arnold Toynsbee. In one section Totnsbee outlines the method that could be used to destroy the U.S. Govt.

He wrote that congress could be usurped through bribery, blackmail and cajolery. He was right and that has already taken place. With few exceptions, the politicians in D.C., including the Supreme Court Justices, are compromised sock puppets with Swiss Bank Accounts and Israeli handlers.

I agree with Ritter, the parasites have invaded the host, but where I differ with him is that I believe the invasion is more comprehensive than estimated by Ritter. The State Department has been completely saturated with an anti- american element since the days of McCarthy. The Bolshevic Revolution, the Nazi takeover of Germany, and WW II, were manifestations of the Hegelian Dialectic that appeared to pit the Nazi fascist govt. against the Bolshevic Jew govt. in order to achieve the synthesis we observe running the American Govt. today.

The Bolshevics and Nazis have combined to run the U.S. Govt. (and the world) through the International Intelligence Agencies. The Neo-Con Trotskyite Jews have taken on the appearance of the fascists, while the Bush Nazi faction appear to be National Socialists, but the end result is a tyrannical dictatorship that is merely dressed up like a "demon-ocracy" !

The people orchestrating this coup are very well trained and have the experience necessary to pull it off. Additionally, they have no hesitation to murder anyone acting as an obstacle to their agenda.

I'm afraid that Scott Ritter's analysis that we can vote these people out or that it will work itself out in 10-12 years is overly optimistic. These people have been overthrowing governments since the days of the Book of Esther, to unders estimate their ability to do so has been the achilles heel of many governments and their people.

Ritter is right about the "parasites" hijacking any and all vehicles capable of assisting their agenda, which is exactly what they have done through Judaism and the attending religious confusion created by so doing.

noone222  posted on  2005-04-13   8:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull, Dakmar, Zipporah, 1776, wbales, All - must read (#0)

‘Godless people who want power, nothing more’

Raw Story: So you believe the NeoCons are elitist parasites?

Ritter: Yes, elitism is the perfect term.

Raw Story: Do you consider it localized or global elitism?

Ritter: The NeoCons believe in what they think is a noble truth, power of the few, the select few. These are godless people who want power, nothing more. They do not have a country or an allegiance, they have an agenda. These people might hold American passports, but they are not Americans because they do not believe in the Constitution. They believe in the power of the few, not a government for or by the people. They are a few and their agenda is global.

Ritter: Congress has ceased to function as a viable tool of government. What is needed is for leaders of honor to resign in protest.

Raw Story: I have had this conversation some in Congress and have asked about their thoughts on shutting down Congress and cleaning house. Their counter is that they are afraid to “leave the crazies in control.”

Ritter: They are already in control. If the people want to heal this country, the people have to purge the failing of this country. Vote them out, it might take two or three cycles, but it will happen and it will take time.

robin  posted on  2005-04-13   8:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Very insightful article. I suggest emailing this article to every friend, foe, family member, church group, civic organization, talk radio host, etc. to get this info out.

I fear for Ritter's life.

fatidic  posted on  2005-04-13   11:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

And with Israel sending is photos of Iranian Nuke sites, it's only a matter of time before we head into that country too.

If we aren't a tool of Israeli interest I don't know who is.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-04-13   11:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: robin (#12)

Ritter has had this right from day one, and for his insight he has been relegated to non-person status by the corporate MSM. A close study of his attempt to warn our nation is a case history in the ongoing rewrite of history. I forget who said the freedom of the press belongs to those who own the ink, but it sure applies today.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-13   11:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

not only has he been relegated to non-person status, he's been completely demonized and falsely labelled a child molester.

christine  posted on  2005-04-13   12:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#16)

It's common for neocons and other Likudniks to accuse their foes of that which they themselves are guilty.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-13   12:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Thanks for this post and the links to the first two interviews.

Lod  posted on  2005-04-13   13:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Dakmar (#17)

It's common for neocons and other Likudniks to accuse their foes of that which they themselves are guilty.

I've noticed that! They do indeed have that trait.

Diana  posted on  2005-04-13   16:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Diana, Dakmar (#19)

"Projection" as propaganda. When Clinton did it, it was called "Clintonesque" by the same Bots who can't see it when their team is just as guilty (or more so).

robin  posted on  2005-04-13   16:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: christine (#16)

and falsely labelled a child molester.

Really? I didn't know, but I'm not shocked. These sob's (and their lemmings) are vicious.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-13   18:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: robin, Diana (#20)

They blame Clinton, they blame paleocons, they blame libertarians, and if not for attacking "liberals", they sound exactly like Jesse Jackson.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-13   20:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#21)

Have you heard the rumors related to Shaun Hannity and a wheelbarrow full of howler monkeys?

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-13   20:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Dakmar (#23)

It's no rumor.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-13   20:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Dakmar (#23)

How many of the poor monkeys contracted AIDS from him?

Esso  posted on  2005-04-13   20:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Esso (#25)

Ha, you're not going to scoop me on this one.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-13   20:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Dakmar (#26)

Well, why else would the monkeys be howling?

Esso  posted on  2005-04-13   20:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Esso (#27)

These are howler monkeys we're talking about, that's what they do.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-13   20:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

The NeoCons are parasites. They build nothing. They bring nothing. They don’t have a foundation. They don’t stand for business. They don’t stand for ideology. They use a host to facilitate and grow their own power. They are parasites that latch onto oil until it is no longer convenient. They latch on to Democracy until it is no longer convenient.

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Ritter's comments are very astute and accurate.

honway  posted on  2005-04-13   20:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Dakmar, jethro Tull (#23)

Have you heard the rumors related to Shaun Hannity and a wheelbarrow full of howler monkeys?

Dakmar posted on 2005-04-13 20:28:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

I thought Shaun WAS a howler monkey.

tom007  posted on  2005-04-13   21:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: honway (#29)

Ritter's comments are very astute and accurate.

honway posted on 2005-04-13 20:56:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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I think so. He has been in the Belly Of The Beast.

tom007  posted on  2005-04-13   21:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: tom007 (#30)

Have you been reading my brainwaves from outer space?

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-13   21:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Dakmar (#32)

Inner space. No, my own thoughts, but glad to see others with similar, responsible, concerns,

tom007  posted on  2005-04-13   21:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Scott Ritter: Neocons are 'Elitist, Godless Parasites'

Sshhhhh!

Might offend the Seeknays and the wingdings of NYC.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-13   21:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: BTP Holdings, 1776, robin, Continental Op (#0)

Neocons are 'Elitist, Godless Parasites'

And expounding: take a read through Rep. Solomon's 45 Communist goals read into the congressional record back in 1963.

http://www.restoringamerica.org/documents/45_goals_of_communism.html

Then consider just how many HAVE come to pass or are being realized.

Then think about the organization, support, funding, members, relative power of the American Communist Party--practically non-existent.

Good thing the Zionists Jews were around to pick up the slack. Yes, the true Elitist, Godless Parasitic Neocons.

wbales  posted on  2005-04-13   22:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: CWRWinger (#34)

I'm not on this earth for my pleasure, but for God's pleasure. - The Wingster

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-13   22:22:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: CWRWinger (#34)

I'm not on this earth for my pleasure, but for God's pleasure. - The Wingster

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-13   22:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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