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Title: Sen. George Allen Says He Embraces His Jewish Ancestry
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Published: Sep 19, 2006
Author: Michael D. Shear
Post Date: 2006-09-19 23:04:59 by Brian S
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Wednesday, September 20, 2006; A01 Virginia Sen. George Allen (R) said for the first time publicly yesterday that he has Jewish ancestry, a day after responding angrily to an exchange that included questions about his mother's racial sensitivity and whether his family has Jewish roots. At a campaign debate with Democratic challenger James Webb on Monday, a reporter asked Allen whether his mother's father, Felix Lumbroso, was Jewish. He became visibly upset, saying his mother's religion was not relevant to the campaign and chiding the reporter for "making aspersions about people because of their religious beliefs." Allen's campaign manager said the senator believed the question was hostile because it followed another one about whether Allen had learned the word "macaca" from his mother. The word, which Allen used last month to describe a Webb volunteer, is a French slur for a dark-skinned person. Allen's mother, Henreitte "Etty" Allen, is a native of Tunisia and speaks French. In a statement released by his campaign yesterday, Allen said he was proud to have recently discovered that his grandfather, a Nazi resistance fighter in North Africa, was part of a well-known Jewish family. "I was raised as a Christian and my mother was raised as a Christian," Allen, 54, said. "And I embrace and take great pride in every aspect of my diverse heritage, including my Lumbroso family line's Jewish heritage, which I learned about from a recent magazine article and my mother confirmed." Allen's religious background has not been a campaign issue. But when the reporter asked Allen about it Monday, the exchange triggered a flood of critical commentary on Internet blogs yesterday, demanding that Allen clarify his ancestry. The Jewish weekly newspaper the Forward recently explored Allen's possible Jewish roots and his connection to the Lumbrosos, a prominent Jewish family that settled in Italy in the 15th century. Allen's campaign spokesman did not return calls seeking confirmation, according to that article. Peggy Fox, the WUSA (Channel 9) reporter who asked the question at the debate, said she read the article in the Forward. "I had heard from other reporters that his staff had been asked the question before. I thought it was fair game," she said yesterday. Allen campaign manager Dick Wadhams said, "Saying your mother was a racist. That was exactly the intent and the thrust of the question. Then she [Fox] went on to introduce religion. Introducing religion at all into the debate was inappropriate." The question about Allen's religion and his delayed response to it are the latest twists in a bizarre Senate campaign that has been dominated for five weeks by Allen's "macaca" comment and more recently by allegations that Webb demeaned military women in an article written 27 years ago. Polls have indicated that Webb is closing the double-digit lead Allen held earlier this summer. But in addition to a debate over the Iraq war with Webb, a decorated Marine and former Navy secretary, Allen has repeatedly been distracted by other issues. Allen is not the first public official to discover Jewish roots late in life, including former presidential candidates Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) and Gen. Wesley K. Clark. In 1997, Secretary of State Madeline Albright revealed that her family history includes three Jewish grandparents who were killed in the Holocaust. Some Jewish leaders said that Allen's angry reaction to the question about his Jewish heritage bothered them. "He was visibly uncomfortable and called it an 'aspersion,' " said J. J. Goldberg, editor in chief of the Forward. "What is it that makes him so uncomfortable with it? It raises more questions about who the guy is." "How does one not know that his grandfather was a Jew?" asked Samuel Heilman, a professor of sociology at the City University of New York. Heilman called it a "tempest in a teapot" but said it would be a big story to American Jews. "It is the case that for many people who are so much a part of blue-blood America, it's hard to imagine there is a Jew in their cupboard there," Heilman said. But other Jewish leaders defended Allen's reaction, saying he was clearly upset not about being called a Jew but at what he considered to be the negative tone of the questioner. "This was an 'I got you' question -- 'See, you really are a racist,' " said Rabbi Irwin Kula, author of "Yearnings: Embracing the Sacred Messiness of Life." Kula said there are many people who have been raised Christian and are not aware that they have any Jewish heritage. "I felt tremendous empathy for George Allen. It is 100 percent possible." Allen has been asked before about his religious background. Bob Gibson, a reporter at the Charlottesville Daily Progress who has written about the senator for almost three decades, told the New Republic that Allen once wanted a correction "when I wrote about his mother's Jewish family origins. He insisted, through a press secretary, that his mother was raised a Christian." Part of the interest in Allen's heritage comes from his speeches, in which he often includes references to his grandfather being incarcerated in a Nazi concentration camp. In 2000, he told the Richmond Times-Dispatch his grandfather was put in the camp because he was an Allied sympathizer. He brought up his grandfather's incarceration at the Monday debate, just before Fox asked her question. "If there's one lesson that I learned more than from anyone else, it was my mother, whose father was incarcerated by the Nazis in World War II," Allen said. "And of all people in my life who told me about tolerance and not judging people by their religious beliefs or their ethnicity or their race, it is my mother." But people close to Allen have been reluctant to discuss his grandfather's religion in the past. Asked about it several weeks ago, campaign advisers either said they did not know or refused to comment. They also refused to ask Allen about it, saying at the time that it was not relevant to his job. Yesterday, Wadhams accused Webb's campaign and liberal bloggers of anti-Semitism for raising the issue of the senator's religious background. Bloggers, some of whom are on Webb's staff, spent yesterday writing furiously about the debate question and Allen's answer. "What does Allen have against Jews?" one headline read on a national liberal blog. "Introducing religion at all into the debate was inappropriate. It makes no difference what anybody's religion is," Wadhams said. Wadhams also accused Webb's campaign of mailing an anti-Semitic flier to Virginia voters during the state's Democratic primary this year. That flier depicted Webb's Jewish opponent, Harris Miller, with money coming out of his pockets. "They have been continuing that anti-Semitic strategy through their paid bloggers," Wadhams said. Webb spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd called that charge "completely false." She said the flier was not anti-Semitic and declined to comment about Allen's Jewish heritage. "We are in the race for Senate to talk about ideas, issues and what's best for Virginia," she said. "That's all we are here to do." In the statement issued yesterday, Allen called Fox's questions "especially reprehensible" and "deeply offensive." And he confronted questions about why he did not know about his heritage sooner. "Some may find it odd that I have not probed deeply into the details of my family history, but it's a fact," he said. "Whenever we would ask my mother through the years about our family background on her side, the answer always was, 'Who cares about that?' " Staff writer Robert Barnes and staff researcher Meg Smith contributed to this report.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
Not me, hymie. Just kidding. Warner is one of the anointed ones of the Bilderbergs. So I have a bit of an interest in this race.
And Allen isn't? I don't follow the bilderberg/bohemian grove/illuminati conspiracy musings much...
I'll bet George Washington was jewish and didn't even know it. We've got a lot of jewish blood in us - we just don't know it. we've been lied to and deprived by our own families who were anti-semitic. If only we as a people would accept our jewish roots - then we could be happy and forever prosperous and cool.
I've discovered our family name has a whole "boat-load"(chuckle) of blacks originating from the south and the name is most unusual. LOL...
"I was raised as a Christian and my mother was raised as a Christian," Allen, 54, said. "And I embrace and take great pride in every aspect of my diverse heritage, including my Lumbroso family line's Jewish heritage, which I learned about from a recent magazine article and my mother confirmed." Uh-huh... Nice try, no cigar, George. He's playing the infamous Madeleine Albright I-didn't-know-I-was-a-Jew card. It's pecular how these Jews whom didn't know they were Jews look and behave just like a Jew. EDIT: Another thing. How can it be that I knew George was a Jew before he did? The Allen surname and George's physical attributes give it away. If it walks like a duck...
Gen. Wesley Clark too. And Kerry tried something along these lines.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers It brings into serious question the competency of these Jews to serve in office if they are so ignorant as to not even know their very own ethnic heritage. They don't even know who/what the fuck they are.
BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!! Senator Macaca has accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior and is now free to believe in both the Rapture *and* the supremacy of Israel. There's no conflict here baby, all of our pols are members of the ZioNazi Church of god. Is there any new news about Bush & Condi's 'black baby'?
"religious beliefs"... Now there is a stupid statement if ever there was one. Jew is a race not a religion and in fact only 30 per cent of them have any religion. Jews are coming out of the woodwork and all just "happen" to be in goivernment.
Well that explains my secret yearning to be a banker. Richard W.
I suspect they well know what they are. The term "in hiding" covers it. When the law of the land makes anti-semitism punishable by hanging, they will all show their true allegiance.
If Allen picked up the use of "macaca" from his mother, doesn't that mean she was a racist (actually, is, since I take it she is still alive)? I know Allen claims he made up the word, but nobody believes his claim.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
"Jews CAN NOT be racists." - Abe Foxman
Which one of them had the baby?
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
LMFAO!!!!! People do have surprises in their family trees. I was surprised to find French and German ancestry a few centuries ago as I thought it was all British. But I better check again because I might actually be descended from Moroccan Jews.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Condi is of questionalbe sexuality, and Bush...well, the name is appropriate. SO I'm going w/Jorge.
Allen ping!
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Make that Allen, the new Jew ping.
Geez, why do so many politicians want to be Jewish? Richard W.
Thanks, Robins. I'm still poking along on posts of a couple of days ago. Are there any more Allen threads? Thanks. I heard this morning that his mother didn't want him to have the fear that she grew up with. All we ever hear is the Jews were the only ones who were persecuted by the Nazis. I wonder why he didn't pick up on the fact that his grandfather was incarcerated, and his mother was afraid. 2+2? The question about Allen's religion and his delayed response to it are the latest twists in a bizarre Senate campaign that has been dominated for five weeks by Allen's "macaca" comment and more recently by allegations that Webb demeaned military women in an article written 27 years ago. So that's what that was about. I kept coming in to the tail end of a conversation about "women not being fit for combat", and the general consensus being perpetrated was how sexist that was, because EVERYBODY KNOWS women are fit for combat. Look for women to be drafted for combat after the election, like other communist countries do. http://www.realnews247.com/what_kind_of_nation_sends_women_into_combat.htm
I'd like to hear what Falwell, Dobson, Hagee and Robertson will have to say about that. Will they blame it on Clinton and the evil liberals?
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers We're all Israelis now. Want to buy some ecstasy?
The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron
I didn't know the rapture was for sale.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers "He was visibly uncomfortable and called it an 'aspersion,' " said J. J. Goldberg, editor in chief of the Forward. "What is it that makes him so uncomfortable with it? It raises more questions about who the guy is." There goes the special interest vote for Allen... But seriously, I'm glad some people are asking that very question - if Allen has been evasive, deceptive about something so simple and straight forward as his family's heritage, what big stuff is he hiding from his electorate? Allen certainly has demonstrated a "capability" for being less than forth coming. I suspect most people do not care one way or the other whether Allen is Jewish. But being caught in a lie will lose Allen votes and this could cost him the election.
A combination of inbred self preservation paranoia and studied pandering?
The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron
We're all Israelis now. Want to buy some ecstasy? I didn't know the rapture was for sale. LOL! No way can I top those replies!
Just curious, how many Jews are in the Senate these days? I mean, we know exactly how many Blacks, or Japs, or Hispanos or Lebanese or Women or Drunks we got in congress. Does anyone know how many Jews are there?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
While we're at it, how many US Senators are on AIPAC's payroll?
The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron
How many are Jewish and haven't come out of the closet yet?
While we're at it, how many US Senators are on AIPAC's payroll? Helpful Hint: If you answer 0-99, you're a liar. If you answer 100, you're an anti-semite.
LOL !
----------------------------- Geez, why do so many politicians want to be Jewish? I believe George Washington WAS Jewish, or "Jewish". He and most of the presidents are related to the British Monarchy, who claim to be descended from King David and the tribe of Ephraim. That's the basis of British-Israelism, a false doctrine. Here are some genealogical charts, to be taken with a grain of salt. [oops maybe not. I just tried to get them off my history file, and it sounds like it is trying to freeze up on me. If you search US Royal Presidents at http://asis.com, and Bush Kerry Cousins and Bush Kerry Ancestors at familyforest.com [family-forest.com?] you will see what I mean.] I used to be able to pull up an article entitled Your Secret Inheritance at http://ancientmanuscripts.com. It was about the dispersion of the ten/twelve tribes, in particular the tribe of Dan. At the end of the article, it stated there were people who knew the true identity of these people, but it was being kept secret from us. Last time I checked, I couldn't find hide nor hair of the book. I see the hand of God in this. I do believe He is gathering the tribes [or at least the remnant], here, but also TRUE Israelites, Christians, the gentiles [which really means nations] in Isaiah 49:6. He may cleanse the unbelievers among them yet, [or maybe He is going to punish them]. They, on the other hand, or at least their elite, think they are going to cleanse US from off the land. Psalm 2:1-2. more on Jews in America: ".......The pages in this site are written from the Ashkenazic Jewish perspective. Ashkenazic Jews are the Jews of France, Germany, and Eastern Europe and their descendants. Sephardic Jews are the Jews of Spain, Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East and their descendants. Sephardic Jews are often subdivided into Sephardim (from Spain and Portugal) and Mizrachim (from the Northern Africa and the Middle East), though there is much overlap between those groups. Until the 1400s, the Iberian Peninsula, North Africa and the Middle East were all controlled by Muslims, who generally allowed Jews to move freely throughout the region. When the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492, many of them were absorbed into existing Mizrachi communities in Northern Africa and the Middle East. The word "Ashkenazic" is derived from the Hebrew word for Germany. The word "Sephardic" is derived from the Hebrew word for Spain. The word "Mizrachi" is derived from the Hebrew word for Eastern. Most American Jews today are Ashkenazic, descended from Jews who emigrated from Germany and Eastern Europe from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s, although most of the early Jewish settlers of this country were Sephardic. The first Jewish congregation in North America, Shearith Israel, founded in what is now New York in 1684, was Sephardic and is still active. The first Jewish congregation in the city of Philadelphia, Congregation Mikveh Israel, founded in 1740, was also a Sephardic one, and is also still active.......... There used to be a good site about Sephardic Jewry called BSZNet, but, sadly, it disappeared years ago and I have not been able to find it or anything like it since. There are some Jews who do not fit into this Ashkenazic/Sephardic distinction. Yemenite Jews, Ethiopian Jews (also known as Beta Israel and sometimes called Falashas), and Oriental Jews also have some distinct customs and traditions. These groups, however, are relatively small and virtually unknown in America. For more information on Ethiopian Jewry, see the Index of Ethiopian Jewry Pages (this site has moved; I will update the link when I find it again!). For more information on Oriental Jewry, see Jewish Asia. - © Copyright 5756-5764 (1995-2004), Tracey R Rich" http://www.jewfaq.org/ashkseph.htm I heard them say that George Allen said he ate pork in their house, and his mother made great pork chops. Now there is this fascinating article about Jews in America, including the Sephardic Jews, and including those who came in [and are still coming??] by way of Mexico. It also includes info about some of our cryptoJewish presidents. too much to quote it all, except this that ties in to Allen's quip above, and since the rest is so relevant to everything else that is going on, I'll include this little extra tidbit and bold the part about the pork [but you really might be interested in reading the entire article]: "........As a young adult, Lyndon Johnson taught school in Cotulla, a poor "Mexican" community south of San Antonio. (Robert Caro, Path to Power, pp. 166-169) Many of his former students marvelled at his spirit, dedication and self-discipline. (Robert Caro, Path to Power, pp. 166-169) Lyndon strongly encouraged the young Mexicans to learn English in order to get ahead. (Robert Caro, Path to Power, pp. 166-169) Possibly he truly had a yearning to help those in need; however, that does not fit most historical accounts of Lyndon Johnson the man. From early adulthood, virtually all of his actions were calculated. Given Lyndon’s Huffman, Perrin, Ament family line, it is more likely that he was assisting descendants of Sephardic Jews who migrated to Texas from Spain centuries earlier. Recently it was disclosed that there are many hispanic Jews living in the San Antonio area. Richard Santos, a hispanic Jew and native of San Antonio, wrote a book entitled Silent Heritage: The Sephardim and the Colonization of the Spanish North American Frontier, 1492-1600. (David Garza, The Secret History, May 11, 2001, The Austin Chronicle: Books, http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-05- 11/books_feature.html) Santos spoke of his "crypto-Jewish" heritage at the Texas Jewish Historical Society’s 22nd conference on May 11, 2001. Crypto-Jews are Sephardic groups of families who secretly retained their religion and culture after the 15th-century Spanish royal decree deemed it punishable by death. Santos has spent his entire adult life trying to educate the masses about the secret history of his bloodline. (David Garza, The Secret History, May 11, 2001, The Austin Chronicle: Books, http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-05- 11/books_feature.html) Stan Hordes, a former New Mexico state historian and professor at the University of New Mexico, described his observations at the same conference. "One person told me, ‘My family just doesn’t eat pork—we’re allergic to pork,’" Hordes said, explaining the pockets of crypto-Jews who maintain Jewish traditions without even realizing it. (David Garza, The Secret History, May 11, 2001, The Austin Chronicle: Books, http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-05- 11/books_feature.html) Among the crypto-Jews that Hordes described, some of the women light menorahs without realizing what they’re doing. (David Garza, The Secret History, May 11, 2001, The Austin Chronicle: Books, http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-05- 11/books_feature.html) ".....Given this new information about crypto-Jews, plus Johnson’s heritage; it is highly plausible that he began his early adult life as a teacher at Cotulla not merely to help disadvantaged hispanics students, but rather to help descendants of Sephardic Jews—crypto-Jews—from Spain who migrated to Mexico and what is now southern Texas. And the reason he felt obliged to help these crypto-Jews was because of his own secret ethnicity. This information about Sephardic Jews in southern Texas sheds new light on the ethnicity of Lyndon Johnson’s wife, Claudia Alta Taylor Johnson (aka, "Lady Bird"). She is apparently a Sephardic Jew of Mexican origin. Although her facial features are consistent with Semitic origin, that alone is not definitive proof. Claudia’s mother, Minnie Lee Pattillo, was likely a Sephardic Jew from Mexico. Pattillo is a common Spanish/Mexican name; however, there are no records of Minnie Pattillo’s parents so it is entirely possible that they were immigrants. It is quite odd that a first lady—one who lived in the White House less than 40 years ago—has maternal grandparents whose identity is unknown and undocumented. Minnie Pattillo died in 1918 when Claudia was only five. (David Garza, The Secret History, ..........." http:// www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/PoliticalJews.htm "Introducing religion at all into the debate was inappropriate. It makes no difference what anybody's religion is," Wadhams said. No, unless that religion happened to declare war on anyone who didn't adhere to it, and its destruction of faith, life, liberty, and property.
I really have no idea, but I think I remember reading a few years ago, that around 50% or more were Catholic, and now, come to find out, a lot of Catholics are CryptoJews. [So are a lot of Masonic Baptists.] The Jesuit Oath was published in the Congressional Journal at one time, but apparently was ripped out. I haven't read it in a while, but it says something like to be a Baptist to a Baptist, and a that to a that, and even to be an "Jew to an abominable Jew" or something like that, but I think that was just another cover: "Thou dost protest too much", and "By Deception Thou Shalt Do War." We'd probably be shocked at how many Jews there really are. Since they control who gets on the ballot....never mind, I don't want to think about it!
This is the Jewish congregation of which MATHIAS BUSH was a founding member. Mathias Bush was a wealthy merchant, slave owner, and first to sign the Non- Importation Resolution of 1765: Jews of the Black Holocaust AGMathias Bush, a member of Lancaster, Pennsylvania Jewish merchantry, ... All were notorious slave merchants and yet highly respected in the Jewish community ... http://www.b lacksandjews.com/Jews.of.Black.Holocaust.ag.html Israel | Jewish CalendarMathias Bush is listed on Page 15 under Revolutionary War as Jews who signed the non-Importation Resolution of 1765. Major George Bush, Major Louis Bush and ... http://www.sweetl iberty.org/issues/israel/calendar.html - 23k - Cached - Similar pages Jewish Persecution by Jackie Patru | Section Fourteen... the authenticity of what follows: Mathias Bush is listed on page 15 under Revolutionary War as Jews who signed the non-Importation Resolution of 1765'. ... http://www.sweetliberty.org/pers pective/ jewishpersecution14.htm I had heard once upon a time, that George Bush was a distant cousin of Vincente Fox. I was more inclined to think of Bush more of the Ashkenazi side, but it was said the Sephardic intermarried with other Jews, Bush is said to have the bloodlines of EVERY monarchy in Europe, and to top it off, I recently found out that my Grandmother's name, closely related to the Bush name, which is considered to be Irish, Welsh, and Scotch, is also Jewish, and that under the Celtic name, they were wealthy merchants, and in fact, some of that name, who were also wealthy merchants, were some of the earliest settlers of Jamestown, although I am not sure I am a descendant at this point. It's hard to think of my grandmother of being Sephardic, though, because she was so fair-skinned, and blue-eyed. BTW, my grandmother was Catholic, although she didn't attend church, for personal reasons. I am sure though, that she had a quiet, strong, faith, and about a week before she died of cancer, she told of this visitor to her hospital room, who she believed to be Jesus. I wouldn't be surprised if He appeared to prepare her for the pain she was about to go through. Maybe He wanted her to learn to put her faith in Him, alone. I guess I won't know until later.
Might as well tie this cool article with this: Ahoy, mateys ! Thar be Jewish pirates! http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=35031 I mean, you HAVE to see God's hand in all of this. Jeremiah 16:12 And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me: 13 Therefore will I cast you out of this land into a land that ye know not, neither ye nor your fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour. 14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shal no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; 15 But, the LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven the; and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers [note: "everywhere your foot shall tread shall be yours". THEY know this, and think these promises belong to the physical seed of Abraham, but they belong to those of FAITH, like Abraham. Gal. 3:16-29] 16. Behold, I WILL SEND FOR MANY FISHERS, SAITH THE LORD, AND THEY SHALL FISH THEM; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks [Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al from their 'continuity of government' hiding places, perhaps?]. 17 For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes. 18 And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of thei detestable and abominable things...... There's another passage that says something like, Judge nothing until the LORD comes, and then everyone will have praise of God. Sometimes, when I'm not totally p*ssed off at them, I think of these things, and have to laugh. Guess I'll have to get me a fishing pole.
It's not that difficult to be related to european monarchy, however distant. In fact, North Americans of european/UK ancestry are mathematically more likely to be related in some way, than not. For example Charlemagne or Karl der Grosse (depending on your perspective): Everyone is Descended From Charlemagne http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne With genealogy online these days, including photos of early census, church records, early military records (very useful), ship records, and corresponding with distant cousins online; it is possible to learn a great deal about "where we came from" and "who we are". If you are lucky, one of your distant cousins is Mormon or wealthy and has done a lot of the legwork for you (I was lucky in a few branches). I'm sorry to say I'm related to Bush family through Francis Cooke. That's assuming they didn't lie about that relationship. I like to think so. My mother used to hear her father who was of more German extraction than English, talk of his Cooke on the Mayflower. She said as a child she didn't see what was so great about being related to the cook; she liked the sound of captain better. BTW, through Cooke is one way to get to the Plantagenets, and through them, the rest of european monarchs. There is nothing special about Cooke or any others of his class. At the time of King Henry VIII, England's population was only 2 million; France only 15 million. Do the math, probability is on our side. Also consider that the poor may have had children, but many did not survive childhood. And of those who survived childhood, they were less likely to be healthy/wealthy enough to have many surviving children. The middle-class had a better chance to grow in numbers, and many figured out they had to emigrate to survive. Islands are only so big. Everyone of any British ancestry has someone in Burke's Peerage. BFD. Then there's Erik the Red, or whoever of Teutonic/Scandinavian lines, and before you know it, you are related again to the heads of europe. BFD. For a more definitive answer, look no further than Bryan Sykes of Oxford University and his DNA studies. Just be careful someone isn't in need of your extra kidney (ha!). Some people actually feel an affinity or kindrid spirit toward those with their shared mitochondrial DNA.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Thanks for all the info. I'm dying to check out the links, but I still have some things on here to wrap up, and I'm afraid I'll crash if I do. Interesting pic of Charlemagne. Is that a crescent moon in front of the cross on his head? And look at all those eagles! hmmmmmm.......... This should keep me busy for awhile! Charlemagne and Bush related: Family Forest® - eBooksAncestor, Family Forest, Senator John Kerry, President Bush, Genealogy, ... http://www.familyfo rest.com/Kerry_Bush_Ancestors.html Family Forest® - Product Details... US and world leaders like President George W. Bush, Senator John Forbes Kerry, ... http://www.familyforest.com/jesus. html [!!! see below!] portland imc - 2004.08.15 - BOTH Bush and Kerry, RELATED ...The problem is, Gore's Charlemagne links also make him a cousin of George W. Bush. 2. "Kerry can almost certainly be traced back to King James I and to the ... http://portland.ind ymedia.org/en/2004/08/294770.shtml ASK US STUFF » I read on a website that George W. Bush and Senator ...I read on a website that George W. Bush and Senator Kerry are both descended from 150 famous kings and assorted dukes, including Charlemagne, Praetor G. ... http://www.askusstuff.com/?p=516 - John Kerry: blood brother of George W. Bush in Skull and Bones John Forbes Kerry and George Walker Bush are ninth cousins, twice removed. See this website http://www.familyfore st.com/Kerry_Bush_Cousins.html for family ... www.oilempire.us/kerry.html - I'm sorry to say I'm related to Bush family I don't know for sure if I am related, but my grandmother's name is closely related to it. If so, maybe we are cousins! I talked to some people who do family crests for people, and they use Burke's. He looked up my grandmother's name, and said they were wealthy merchants, AND were allowed to hunt on the king's land, which made them some sort of "nobility". My thought is, if they were wealthy back then, and in with the "in" crowd, they were probably a bunch of cutthroats. Lots to check out, but looking up those links I posted above, I am blown away from one I had not seen before, and I'm posting the whole thing for safekeeping: Before I get stareted, bear in mind, I don't know where they are getting this, probably from the DaVinci Code, or something like that, or http://asis.com British Royalty. Wait till you see who is on this list!! I've bolded and underlined a lot of them, and could have bolded three or four times that. Offhand I'd say I underlined at least 6 or 7 of THE TOP 13 ILLUMINATI, as well as at least two more that are closely related to them. I bolded COOKE as well :) I'm not saying all these folks are bad, but HISTORICALLY, these names have been very ANTI-Christ. ============================================================= Family Forest® shows some of the lineage of Jesus Christ in the Family Forest® Leadership Edition CD-ROM Individual family ties relationships are calculated from Jesus to each of 114,800 different people during the last 2,000 plus years. Some of these individuals are themselves the ancestors of countless millions of living people. What can this mean for you? If you find the name of one or more of your own ancestors in the Family Forest®, it means that in the Family Forest® Leadership Edition it is now possible for you to point-and-click travel through fully sourced generation-by-generation family ties from your family to Jesus' family, and consequently to many others in the Bible. See surnames below. To see this kinship and the ancestral maps, history and various charts relating to Jesus purchase the Family Forest® Leadership Edition. Learn more here or In a review by Barbara Schenck in Genealogical Computing magazine she said: " Family Forest takes a whole different perspective. It looks at individuals, yes. But its talent is for fitting individuals into the big picture. In fact, it fits them into lots of pictures by allowing users to explore their connections to places, events, social grouops and ultimately, each other. Its goal is to show links that aren't immediately obvious, to make history personal and relevant, and to allow individuals from many backgrounds and ethnic origins to find out how they and their ancestors link into the world community. If you've ever had people say to you that history has nothing to do with them, this is the software that will change their minds." Famous people in the Family Forest® related to Jesus Christ include: Fifty-two Saints, 19 Magna Charta sureties, 22 signers of the Declaration of Independence, 33 U.S. Presidents, and 9 U.S. Vice Presidents. All (or almost all) of the hereditary heirs of European thrones Current U.S. and world leaders like President George W. Bush, Senator John Forbes Kerry, Governor Howard Dean, and the British Royal family. Hollywood stars like Katharine Hepburn, Marilyn Monroe, Humphrey Bogart, Johnny Carson, Bette Davis, Walt Disney, Michael Douglas, Clint Eastwood, Lee Marvin, Julia Child, Catherine Oxenberg, and Brooke Shields. Historical figures like Godefroi de Bouillon, Napoleon, King Arthur, Charlemagne, Sir Winston Churchill, Lewis & Clark, William the Conqueror, Charles Darwin, Clara Barton, General Robert E. Lee, General Douglas MacArthur, General George Patton, Brigham Young, the Wright Brothers, plus many more. Authors and artists like George Orwell, Ralph Waldo Emerson, George Gilder, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Jr., Ernest Hemingway, Aldous Huxley, Louis L'Amour, Jack London, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Georgia O'Keeffe, Charles Willson Peale, Truman Capote, Norman Rockwell, Jonathan Swift, Henry David Thoreau, Owen Wister, and others. 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Updated: September 23, 1906 ~ The website http://FamilyForest.com has been on the web since March 1996 ~ Family Forest® is a registered trademark of MPC, Inc. Copyright ©2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, Millisecond Publishing Company. All rights reserved. http://www.familyforest.com/jesus. html ============================================= Note the name "Allen" de Vere and Ware are related to Bush. derivatives = Verichip, Warburg. The MEDICI's were JEWISH and ROMAN CATHOLIC POPES. Note Robinson [Jim :) ] and Robertson (Pat, whose grandfather's first name was very Jewish, Isaac or Israel, or something like that, and whose father was a Senator, and a Mason, and who himself, went to a Jesuit school. He wrote a book on the New World Order, but I think he forgot to mention the Jesuits in it. I once was able to access his name and those of his family on politicalgraveyard.com, but for the last couple of years, it shuts me right down.) Note Cornwallis and Washington. Cornwallis to Washington: "A holy war will now begin against America....in 200 years her churches will be used to teach the Jews' religion....." sweetliberty.org. See this pic of the so-called "Father" of our country: "Strange gods before you The Apotheos of Washington "........Washington with Minerva, Neptune, Venus, Vulcan and Ceres. "Brumidi depicted George Washington rising to the heavens in glory, flanked by female figures representing Liberty and Victory/Fame. A rainbow arches at his feet, and thirteen maidens symbolizing the original states flank the three central figures. (The word "apotheosis" in the title means literally the raising of a person to the rank of a god, or the glorification of a person as an ideal; George Washington was honored as a national icon in the nineteenth century." picture and quote from Http://www.aoc.gov/cc/art/rotunda/apotheosis/apoth_center.htm [The bold print was added for emphasis.]......."
"Whenever we would ask my mother through the years about our family background on her side, the answer always was, 'Who cares about that?' "
#2. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
Warner is one of the anointed ones of the Bilderbergs.
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
#4. To: Red Jones (#3)
#5. To: Brian S (#0)
(Edited)
In a statement released by his campaign yesterday, Allen said he was proud to have recently discovered that his grandfather, a Nazi resistance fighter in North Africa, was part of a well-known Jewish family.
#6. To: Splitends (#5)
#7. To: robin (#6)
Gen. Wesley Clark too. And Kerry tried something along these lines
#8. To: Brian S (#0)
"I was shocked to discover that I'm a New Guinea tribesman"
#9. To: Brian S (#0)
#10. To: Brian S (#0)
At a campaign debate with Democratic challenger James Webb on Monday, a reporter asked Allen whether his mother's father, Felix Lumbroso, was Jewish. He became visibly upset, saying his mother's religion was not relevant to the campaign and chiding the reporter for "making aspersions about people because of their religious beliefs."
#11. To: Red Jones (#3)
If only we as a people would accept our jewish roots
#12. To: Splitends (#7)
They don't even know who/what they are.
#13. To: Brian S (#0)
Allen campaign manager Dick Wadhams said, "Saying your mother was a racist. That was exactly the intent and the thrust of the question. Then she [Fox] went on to introduce religion. Introducing religion at all into the debate was inappropriate."
#14. To: aristeides (#13)
If Allen picked up the use of "macaca" from his mother, doesn't that mean she was a racist
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
Is there any new news about Bush & Condi's 'black baby'?
#16. To: Splitends (#8)
#17. To: mehitable (#15)
Which one of them had the baby?
#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)
#19. To: robin (#18)
Allen ping!
#20. To: Brian S (#0)
#21. To: robin (#18)
#22. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#21)
So that's what that was about. I kept coming in to the tail end of a conversation about "women not being fit for combat", and the general consensus being perpetrated was how sexist that was, because EVERYBODY KNOWS women are fit for combat. Look for women to be drafted for combat after the election, like other communist countries do.
#23. To: robin (#22)
#24. To: Dakmar (#23)
#25. To: Brian S (#0)
Some Jewish leaders said that Allen's angry reaction to the question about his Jewish heritage bothered them.
#26. To: Arete (#20)
Geez, why do so many politicians want to be Jewish?
#27. To: robin, Dakmar (#22)
I'd like to hear what Falwell, Dobson, Hagee and Robertson will have to say about that. Will they blame it on Clinton and the evil liberals?
#28. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)
(Edited)
#29. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)
#30. To: Dakmar (#29)
#31. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Dakmar (#28)
Just curious, how many Jews are in the Senate these days?
cage goes into salsa, shark's in the salsa. Our shark! - Dakmar Quint
#32. To: Esso (#31)
#33. To: Red Jones, Arete, Cynicom, mehitable, robin, Dakmar (#3)
I'll bet George Washington was jewish and didn't even know it. We've got a lot of jewish blood in us - we just don't know it. we've been lied to and deprived by our own families who were anti-semitic. If only we as a people would accept our jewish roots - then we could be happy and forever prosperous and cool.
#34. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)
Just curious, how many Jews are in the Senate these days?
#35. To: Red Jones, Arete, Cynicom, mehitable, robin, Dakmar, a vast rightwing conspirator (#33)
The first Jewish congregation in the city of Philadelphia, Congregation Mikveh Israel, founded in 1740, was also a Sephardic one, and is also still active..........
#36. To: Brian S, Red Jones, Arete, Cynicom, mehitable, robin, Dakmar, a vast rightwing conspirator, Eoghan (#33)
#37. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#35)
Charlemagne, portrait by Albrecht Dürer. (click to enlarge)
#38. To: robin, ALL (#37)
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