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Title: BREAKING: House Committee REVOTES Passes Bush Torture Bill (THEY HELD COMMITTEE REVOTE WHILE 2 DEMS OUT OF THE ROOM!)
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Daily Kos
URL Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/20/19237/9278
Published: Sep 20, 2006
Author: "MediaFreeze"
Post Date: 2006-09-20 21:08:39 by aristeides
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Comments: 44
BREAKING: House Committee REVOTES Passes Bush Torture Bill by MediaFreeze [Subscribe] UNBELIEVABLE! More shenanigans in the House. Seems like the Republicans have REVOTED on the Bush Torture Bill and narrowly passed it having waited until two Dems were out of the room. Goodbye democracy, it was nice while it lasted. Earlier today, the panel had voted down the measure, 18-17, with three members not voting. The re-vote swung the tally to 20-18 in favor of the bill. Update: WSJ's Washington Wire has more details (and a better vote tally -- we'd originally reported 17-20). "The amendment might have passed had two Democrats not missed the vote; the two were at a news conference on the Medicare drug benefit." UPDATE: According to a staffer for Debbra Wasserman Schultz, one of the two Democratic congresspersons who missed the vote, the congresswoman left for a short prescheduled press conference on medicare reform, an issue critical to her home district in Florida. The vote was hastily called. Once she learned of the vote, she left the press conference and hurried back, but was not in time to record her vote.
Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 04:23:02 PM PDT The House Judiciary Committee just reversed itself, calling a re-vote and passing a controversial detainee treatment bill that has White House backing, according to House sources.
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#1. To: aristeides (#0)
Well at least the dirty bastards did their 'work' before midnight on december 24th! LOL..........slimeballs rule!
i have to say, ari, i think it would have passed even if the two had been there.
And they did this in order to legalize torture. Think of it!
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
Prior to this 'War on Terror' everything was crystal clear. It should be crystal clear again. Too bad it's not.
ping!
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers This is at least as bad as Nixon's Saturday Night Massacre. But, without the media shining the light of attention on it, it won't have nearly the same effect on public opinion.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
I'm gonna need some bigger boots!
The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron
I wonder if they were somehow paid off, to be conveniently absent.
whatever the circumstances, the end result is always bad for we the people.
I think everyone's fed up with these juvenile tactics from the most evil administration in US history. I'm watching Clinton skewer this administration pretty good. And he hasn't even mentioned torture. Has anyone heard the news of this bill passing the House on MSM yet?
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers This means so much on so many levels. A truly significant day. The first thing I can think of is that the US has lost ANY moral high ground over ANY other nation. It also means that ANYTHING coming out of the mouth by ANYONE held in federal custody is suspect- any confession, any information, any trial- (citizens or foreigners). Any person - American citizen or not- held in American prisons or by federal authorities convicted of any crime should now be suspect. Basically, any sane person upon hearing of a confession or a conviction of ANYBODY for ANYTHING- should question it no matter how strong the "Evidence". Now- there are people who will say that these tortures (in their Orwell speak they will call them "procedures") will be "limited" and strictly reserved for foreigners and to very specific cases. Bullshit. This is something that can't be regulated. This evil will infect every part of our government. Like in all powers Government assumes- they only grow with time and become common place. A "legal" slap will become a punch. A "legal" water boarding will become a feces dunking. A legal strained position posture will become electrocution. So on and so on- and the claims of the tortured? Dismissed. It's one thing to slap around some detainee in a backroom cladestingly and then have bureacrats lie about it. But it is another to actually have legal sanction to such acts. What this means- is big. It is a watershed moment.
Where it passed today was in Sensenbrenner's House Judiciary Committee. I doubt if they'll bring it up on the House floor before Monday.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
Just makes me so proud to be an merikan! So proud of my *gag* fearless *gag gag* leaders! PUKE.
Thanks for the correction.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers This country is going down the tubes. I hope someone in the military ranks opposes it.
I agree. I hope the Democrats have the courage to run on the issue (although I don't have much confidence that they will.) If they win on the issue, a great deal of good is done. If they lose, it's bad, but no worse -- for them or for us -- than if they never contested the issue.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
People better think very hard now. All that we were in the world, has been extinguished, by this vote. In the darkness, as is fitting for evil to move freely.
If we were really at war, the borders would be closed.
Come on. They are a fraud party. In fact- I can only imagine this little gambit to have two Dems missing was setup with their complicity to give them plausible deniability - bitch for a week about the dirty tricking GOPERS- and then everyone forgets- including their base. The parties are not real. Their stances on EVERYTHING phoney and frauds.
One could now easily begin to think that ANY sort of arrest could lead to severe torture and death. It's almost as if they're trying to spark a widespread revolt. Now why would they do that, one might wonder? Could it be they're itchy to start hauling people off to the internment camps, and launch the next phase of their plans for a New World Order?
OH Fred... Are you calling for a military "coup d'état"?
It makes us no better than the most brutal tin-pot dictatorships that our "leaders" say we must destroy, in order to spread "freedom" and "democracy". Yeah, they hate us for our "freedoms". Right.
Someone of flag rank needs to make a statement by loudly resigning his commission. The Germans and the Soviets did not honor international law in the treatment of each other's prisoners. The results were horrendous on both sides. If someone does not make some noise, our own soldiers, airmen and sailors will someday be victims of these "procedures."
Yes. Who in their wildest mind would think that Rumsfeld would still be in office?? He has screwed up everything militariy from day ONE.
Wouldn't make a shit bit of difference. This could've been a bill specifically authorizing flaying and the Judas Cradle for "turrists" and you could get 45-50% of the populace to go along with it. And only the tiniest of those opposed would be apalled enough to let it sway their vote from re-electing their Congress critter. In other words, the power structure isn't threatened by a 'yes' vote, so why not?
This "official blessing" of torture now gives the green light for any sort of barbaric torture to be inflicted by any government or group that captures not only US troops, but ordinary US citizens. What sort of mindless idiots are running this country.
Not threatened? Just what makes them so sure the same bad stuff won't happen to themselves in due course? I'm reading a history of the French Revolution at the moment. Until the Terror started, members of the National Assembly enjoyed immunity from arrest.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
I don't think it has passed the House; it passed the House Committee vote, but not the House vote. I don't think it will pass a full vote in the House. This doesn't really mean much except people will have to go on record as either supporting it or not supporting it. I don't know why Republicans think this will help them in the fall. If they support this bill then their chances of re-election in a fair vote is nil.
God is always good! The same assuredness that you have that will never happen to them. As long as Congress plays their part - which is to give the appearance the people are represented, without actually doing so - there is no need for a dictatorship where members of Congress are hauled off to dungeons for "treason" and tortured.
Yes, thank you. aristeides already corrected my post.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers If you don't want to read the history of the French Revolution, you have only to read the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union under Stalin. And there are of course many other examples.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
I'm having a hard time with the math. 18+17+3 not voting = 38 20+18+2 not there to vote = 40 I never was very good at math. I think one way to straighten out the mess in DC would be to hang all the ones that don't vote....... and then hang the rest of them. Hey! I thought you were banned!
good idea, saves so much time in doing useless calculations - save that for the gallows
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers yeah, that controlled opposition thingy...
They are positively giddy at TOS this evening over a story indicating that 'terrorists' cracked under torture; which "saved" thousands of American lives. Some of the poster comments are unbelievable...
i don't know how you can stand it. :P
Can't hear you...I had to run and take a shower.
This will assist the creation of the North American Union by making it easier to reconcile legal systems. Brutality and torture from Latin America, thought policing from Canada. Yep, gonna be one big happy Union.
Are you implying we are near some turning point in the power structure leading to a revolution and a purge? And what's the time frame on that? 50, maybe 75 years down the road? I don't think even then.
The members of the French National Assembly were mighty surprised with how fast events moved.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
they're not mindless. they're evil and conscienceless though.
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#2. To: aristeides (#0)
#3. To: rowdee (#1)
#4. To: aristeides (#0)
#5. To: *You Gotta Be Shitting Me* (#0)
#6. To: Fred Mertz (#4)
#7. To: robin (#5)
#8. To: aristeides (#0)
#9. To: SKYDRIFTER (#8)
#10. To: Dakmar (#7)
I'm gonna need some bigger boots!
#11. To: aristeides (#3)
#12. To: robin (#10)
Has anyone heard the news of this bill passing the House on MSM yet?
#13. To: aristeides (#3)
#14. To: aristeides (#12)
Where it passed today was in Sensenbrenner's House Judiciary Committee. I doubt if they'll bring it up on the House floor before Monday.
#15. To: Burkeman1 (#11)
#16. To: Burkeman1 (#11)
What this means- is big. It is a watershed moment.
#17. To: aristeides (#3)
And they did this in order to legalize torture. Think of it!
#18. To: aristeides (#16)
I agree. I hope the Democrats have the courage to run on the issue (although I don't have much confidence that they will.) If they win on the issue, a great deal of good is done. If they lose, it's bad, but no worse -- for them or for us -- than if they never contested the issue.
#19. To: aristeides (#0)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#20. To: Fred Mertz (#15)
#21. To: Burkeman1 (#11)
The first thing I can think of is that the US has lost ANY moral high ground over ANY other nation.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#22. To: Fred Mertz (#15)
#23. To: Brian S (#20)
#24. To: aristeides (#6)
But, without the media shining the light of attention on it, it won't have nearly the same effect on public opinion.
#25. To: randge (#22)
The Germans and the Soviets did not honor international law in the treatment of each other's prisoners. The results were horrendous on both sides. If someone does not make some noise, our own soldiers, airmen and sailors will someday be victims of these "procedures."
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#26. To: SmokinOPs (#24)
the power structure isn't threatened by a 'yes' vote, so why not?
#27. To: robin (#10)
Has anyone heard the news of this bill passing the House on MSM yet?
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#28. To: aristeides (#26)
Just what makes them so sure the same bad stuff won't happen to themselves in due course?
#29. To: RickyJ (#27)
#30. To: SmokinOPs (#28)
#31. To: aristeides (#0)
(Edited)
Earlier today, the panel had voted down the measure, 18-17, with three members not voting. The re-vote swung the tally to 20-18 in favor of the bill.
#32. To: Hmmmmm (#31)
#33. To: Fred Mertz (#15)
"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson: his motto.
#34. To: Burkeman1 (#18)
#35. To: christine (#34)
yeah, that controlled opposition thingy...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#36. To: who knows what evil (#35)
#37. To: christine (#36)
i don't know how you can stand it. :P
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#38. To: aristeides (#0)
"Take him to the tree of Wobegon." -- Thulsa Doomshowitz
#39. To: aristeides (#30)
If you don't want to read the history of the French Revolution, you have only to read the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union under Stalin. And there are of course many other examples.
#40. To: SmokinOPs (#39)
#41. To: FormerLurker (#25)
What sort of mindless idiots are running this country.
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