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Title: Please, All Freedom4umers, Give Me Your Opinions
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Published: Sep 24, 2006
Author: blah
Post Date: 2006-09-24 08:53:09 by Nintendo of the Gods
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I have recently come into contact with a religious sect that preaches that, basically, people become "guardian Angels" after their body dies. And then they have to go around and perform routine maintenance on families', and others' pathetic lives, helping them with troubles. I'm not sure that I want to hang around dead relatives and descendants all day. Since I'm not too sharp on the Bible, can anybody fill me in with verses as to why there are no "Guardian Angels"? So that I may use said verses in my argument?

I know there are some Bible geniuses here. Please help a religious illiterate.

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people become "guardian Angels" after their body dies.

Interesting theory...... Nonsense, but interesting nonetheless.

See, people want to think they have this immortal "soul" - something that never dies. The "body" may die, but the "soul" will live on for eternity, either in heaven or hell (and in the case of the catholics there is purgatory too) but one way or another the soul is immortal. Now, they didn't get that from Scripture, but if that's what they want to believe then more power to them.

In Scripture, the Creator tells us that souls die. In fact the word soul is commonly misused to represent "spirit". The original Hebrew word for "soul" is nephesh - meaning a breathing creature.. I'm a nephesh, and so is my dog and so is the salmon I'd like to have for supper... A nephesh can be living or they can be DEAD.

Like I said, if folks want to believe their soul will live forever, then that's their choice, but that's not what they learned from Scripture. In Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Notice it doesn't say the soul that sinneth shall live forever in hell. Neither does it say the soul that doesn't sin shall live forever in heaven.

This is repeated in Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

In Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death;

People don't believe that. Again, they believe the wages of sin is eternal life spent in hell. Fine. They are free to believe what they want, but they didn't get that belief from Scripture - they got it from their local pulpit parrot.

For those 2 or 3 that want to know what really happens, start by looking at Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Notice here that we are (1) Looking at New Testament - hence for those that think the Old Testament is archaic and was tossed out when Jesus was hung on the cross, they can pay attention to this; and (2) We are talking about King David - the only person I know of in Scripture which God says "is a man after His own heart".. Wouldn't you think that someone that God held in such high esteem would be qualified to be in Heaven? Guess what? HE'S NOT!!!! How do we know that? Well just a few verses later in Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

So where is David? He's somewhere in the Middle East, DEAD and BURIED!!! And he's awaiting the resurrection. You'll see this in Hebrews 11:32-35 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: 33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions. 34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

What is this "better resurrection"? And how does it differ from a "regular resurrection"? The resurrection is what we will be awaiting after we die and are buried and rotting back to dust (we will all be resurrected - Moses, and Hitler and me and you, and it doesn't matter what we think about it - no one's asking whether we want to or not)... That is when the "New Covenant" takes affect!!! We aren't living under the "New Covenant" yet!!! We are still bound by the "Old Covenant", and all it's laws. We've already seen that the wages of sin is death, so what is sin? In 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. So, if you break the laws of the Old Covenant, you have sinned, and the result of breaking those laws is DEATH.... Again, NOT eternal life in hell.... And a BETTER resurrection is gaining the extra benefits promised under the New Covenant IF you keep the Laws of the Creator.

In 1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. In other words, the ONLY one that has immortality is the Creator. The rest of us will DIE, we won't be making a magical trip to heaven or hell, and we'll be taking that dirt nap waiting on the resurrection at some indefinite time in the future.

Well, that should be plenty to dispell that wonderful theory this group you were talking about believes in. Of course, I'm not sure it's your place to try to dispell their belief, but that's fodder for another discussion. Chances are they're gonna think you're some kook. Not that they got their belief from Scripture, but if it makes them feel good there's not much chance you'll convince them otherwise.

UH, if you're wondering what happens to those that are righteous and follow the Law as the Creator laid out to Moses if they don't go to heaven when they die - well in short they will gain the promise given by The Creator; eternal life (after the resurrection), and His Kingdom will be right here on earth, and they (under one of the benefits of the New Covenant in addition to the ones from the Old Covenant) will be the rulers of the nations.... But that too is fodder for another thread.

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