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Title: Please, All Freedom4umers, Give Me Your Opinions
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Published: Sep 24, 2006
Author: blah
Post Date: 2006-09-24 08:53:09 by Nintendo of the Gods
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Comments: 39

I have recently come into contact with a religious sect that preaches that, basically, people become "guardian Angels" after their body dies. And then they have to go around and perform routine maintenance on families', and others' pathetic lives, helping them with troubles. I'm not sure that I want to hang around dead relatives and descendants all day. Since I'm not too sharp on the Bible, can anybody fill me in with verses as to why there are no "Guardian Angels"? So that I may use said verses in my argument?

I know there are some Bible geniuses here. Please help a religious illiterate.

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#38. To: Nintendo of the Gods (#0)

I have found the following article helpful:

"What Happens When We Die?

If we immediately go to heaven or hell when we die, why do we need a judgment? Hasn't the decision already been made by God?

Why does the Bible so frequently speak of the joy of the resurrection, if everybody has already gone to one place or the other?

Why is a major important doctrine based on 4 texts, when an additional 25 texts that say the opposite, are completely ignored?

The Bible warns that speaking with the dead is an abomination to God. Why would the Bible speak so STRONGLY against this practice if these are just our dead relatives and friends?

What is the difference between the "soul" and the "spirit"? .....

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com /death.htm

What Happens to a Person When He Dies?

Can the Dead Actually Come Back and Visit us?

Lorraine Day, M.D.

There are at least 25 Bible texts that tell us that death is a sleep, and that when a person is dead, he remains in the grave and he has no thoughts. He is in a state of lack of consciousness. He knows NOTHING! He is not in heaven nor hell. He is in the grave and knows nothing.........

http://www.goodnews aboutgod.com/studies/whenwedie.htm

...In Conclusion:

After looking at ALL the evidence, ALL the texts regarding "Death" in the Bible, it is clear that death is a sleep, a state of lack of consciousness, as Jesus Himself so PLAINLY stated, and that the dead remain in the grave until either the First Resurrection which occurs at the Second Coming of Jesus, or the Second Resurrection, which occurs after the 1000 year Millennium.

I may disagree with her on this point. She seems to speak of the Second Coming of Jesus as being in the future. I am a partial preterist, and believe most of the book of Revelation already happened, and that Jesus' Second Coming was when he came and judged Jerusalem. I believe the "1,000 years" are symbolic, like most of the book of Revelation, and that we have been living in them for almost 2,000 years. I believe that the disciples and those that were martyred for Jesus live and reign from the heavens with Him now, and that was the First Resurrection http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev020.html#5 . I believe the "1,000 years" are up, and that He is coming again soon for the Great White Throne Judgment and Resurrection of all the rest.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-25   16:18:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#39. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#38)

"What Happens When We Die?"

I don't know for sure if we sit "sleeping" in the ground until judgment day and the resurrection; or if time ceases to exist for us and the resurrection is immediate; I suspect the latter.

Either way, I wouldn't count on any "rest period" before you face judgment. Judgment is a deeply personal thing, I think, and redemption has more to do with faith and true repentance than anything you've done. I'd like to think there's a special hell for those who commit the most heinous crimes, but I don't think there is. I think Hell is simply perishing; and since we are born in sin, live in sin and can only hope to die redeemed by Grace, the punishment for pride is the same as the punishment for genocide.

My faith teaches that the first thing we do in the morning when we wake up is sin. We sin all day and when we aren't sinning, we're thinking about sinning. At night we dream about sinning. Thus, only faith and repentance can save you.

In terms of my moral guilt, I'm just as much a sinner as, say, Dick Cheney.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-25 16:48:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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