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Title: We Could Use a Guy Like Him Again
Source: Daily Kos
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Published: Sep 25, 2006
Author: bluedogtxn
Post Date: 2006-09-25 15:58:49 by bluedogtxn
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We Could Use a Guy Like Him Again

I missed the interview, darn it; but I caught it on You Tube, so I guess that's almost as good as having seen it the first time.

bluedogtxn's diary :: :: No matter how the nutjobs spin it; and of course they will, they can't help themselves, I saw fighting President Clinton again, in his interview with Fox's Chris Wallace. The interview was obviously a set-up; a whack-job ambush intended to embarrass President Clinton, but it very seriously backfired on Wallace.

The narrative that has become the Rosetta Stone of the GOP'rs, that Clinton let Bin Laden go or didn't go after him or ignored him; that he did nothing about him... That whole sacred narrative was sliced to pieces in a moment, when President Clinton described the efforts undertaken to get Bin Laden, when he described what he'd have done had he had time to continue after Bin Laden...

And then, not to be satisfied with merely shredding the jaded image that Idiot Bush's sheep have of Clinton, or their faded memories, Clinton went on to unapologetically call FOX for their own bullshit.

I had my problems with President Clinton, but I think it is important to remember what it was like to have an intellectual heavyweight for a president. I think it is important to remember what it was like to have a real honest-to-goodness man in the White House, instead of a fratboy idiot.

So props to President Clinton for the reminder. I wish the biggest item on the national radar was what was going on under your desk.

I sure remember those days, and I'm sorry I took for granted how dang good they were.

Balanced budget, a nation at peace with the world, a booming economy (even in its bust), the simple working people respected by government...

Mister, we could use a guy like Bill Clinton again.

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#3. To: bluedogtxn (#0)

Balanced budget,

More lies.

And Hillary was always the real brains of the outfit.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-25   16:31:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Balanced budget, More lies.

It came a hell of a lot closer to being balanced than it did under any Republican since Nixon.

Or do you still believe in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause and the "miracle of the Laffer Curve"?

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-25   16:37:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It came a hell of a lot closer to being balanced

Compared to what?

Not compared to projected obligations for various goobermint programs, notably Social Security and Medicare.

But then Santa Claus always did get a lot of votes.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-25   17:15:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Compared to what?

Compared to the federal budgets of Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II. That would be 17 years of Republican fiscal recklessness, although admittedly our present Idiot has taken the cake in the past five years.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-25   17:24:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Compared to the federal budgets of Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II.

In what sense?

The budgets of those men were not very much worse at all.

Future obligations for welfare state spending simply cannot be met, and it is not the fault of Reagan, Bush I, Bush II -- or Clinton.

TANSTAAFL.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-25   17:32:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Future obligations for welfare state spending simply cannot be met, and it is not the fault of Reagan, Bush I, Bush II -- or Clinton.

TANSTAAFL.

While I fully support the application of Heinlein's famous Tanstaafl dictum, you need to look at the budgets in question. Reagan's first and second terms both saw an increase in expenditures (not just entitlement programs, either) relative to income. Bush I's term saw an increase also, although not as pronounced. Clinton's eight years saw the reverse; expenditures held much closer to flat; income from taxes increasing. Bush II's budgets are just flat out obscene if you have any sense of fiscal discipline or responsibility. They've ballooned the deficit incredibly, and most of it is NOT growth in entitlements.

It can be argued one way or the other whether Clinton actually balanced incomes to outlays; and a persuasive case can be developed either way. What can't be rationally argued is that there was a shred of fiscal responsibility in the spending policies of Reagan or Bush II. Bush I is a more difficult call, because had he another term, it is possible he could have brought spending under control.

The bottom line is that whether you like him, hate him or are indifferent to him, Clinton was much more fiscally responsible than the last 3 GOP'rs have been.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-25   17:49:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Reagan's first and second terms both saw an increase in expenditures (not just entitlement programs, either) relative to income.

Absolutely.

Clinton's eight years saw the reverse; expenditures held much closer to flat; income from taxes increasing.

Bull market and short-term debt. (And on the second, the fedgov has a track record of doing exactly the wrong thing -- short term debt when rates are low, long term debt when rates are high. Good deal for bond buyers though...)

They've ballooned the deficit incredibly,

Absolutely. Irrelevant though to the long term picture.

On an actuarial basis / GAAP basis, there was never a Clinton surplus.

For FY 2004, the government had a $616 billion operating loss, for FY 2005 $760 billion.

and most of it is NOT growth in entitlements.

Plenty of other goodies to go around. And under the accounting rules the government makes the rest of us obey, entitlements swamp everything else.

Funny how that works.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-09-25   18:14:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#17. To: Tauzero, bluedogtxn (#15)

Except in practical, everyday terms, all I had to complain about was some silly juvenile sexual antics, 1000 stolen FBI files, and a handful of secrets to Red China.

Now, we all worry about the economy (maybe the Unusual suspects always did), we all know that hundreds of thousands of files on several laptops have gone missing (see Wayne Madsen Report for growing chart on this underreported debacle), and the CEOs of the multi-national corporations cannot give Red China their manufacturing and high-tech fast enough (the govt/PLA owning half of every business, up front, and that's before cheap copies of every patent is made).

robin  posted on  2006-09-25 18:23:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

For FY 2004, the government had a $616 billion operating loss, for FY 2005 $760 billion.

and most of it is NOT growth in entitlements.

Plenty of other goodies to go around. And under the accounting rules the government makes the rest of us obey, entitlements swamp everything else.

Funny how that works.

First of all, your FY '05 numbers don't look like they include the cost of the WOT; and the Katrina losses probably are rolled into 2006; secondly, I acknowledged that the "Clinton surplus" was debatable. That isn't a debate we need to bother with, because the point remains that Clinton was more fiscally responsible than Bush I or Bush II; he actually targeted the deficit and reduced it. Whether he reduced it to zero or not is beside the point.

The idea that the deficit is "irrelevant" to the "long term picture" depends on how "long term" you want to go. If you depend on the notion that our growth will always catch up to deficits, we've got a lot of catching up to do, thanks to W, and we wouldn't be in that position if his idiotic economic theories hadn't been wholesale adopted by the servile GOP congress.

And if Clinton was the president we would not have invaded Iraq. Unending war is expensive and unsustainable for a country with a debt picture like ours. And now they want to kick off yet another war with Iran. 9-11 would probably still have happened, but the response wouldn't have been the implementation of a neocon empire plan that will bankrupt all of us (to the extent we aren't already bankrupt) while we live in an increasing police state.

I reiterate. Clinton was a saint compared to the tweaked out little fuckpole in office now.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-09-26 09:32:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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