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Title: Detainee Bill and the Dawning of a Fascist America
Source: Another Day in the Empire
URL Source: http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=580
Published: Sep 29, 2006
Author: Kurt Nummo
Post Date: 2006-09-29 21:52:28 by Arator
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Keywords: Fascist, America, Dawning
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Detainee Bill and the Dawning of a Fascist America
Friday September 29th 2006, 1:37 pm

As Steve Douglas notes, “the Schmittian drives for the arrogation of all power into the hands of a ‘unitary executive’ Presidential dictatorship,” in the case of both Hitler and Bush, are “essentially, identical.”

In the wake of the Reichstag fire in early 1933, blamed on the Comintern, Hitler and the Nazis, with “the support of a terrified populace … suspended civil rights and civil liberties, fattened their war machine and rode the fascist tide into a full-blown dictatorship,” writes Harvey Wasserman.

After the Reichstag fire, Paul von Hindenburg signed the fateful emergency decree, thus providing Hitler’s SA and SS with the legality required to round up the opposition and throw them in makeshift concentration camps run by local Gauleiters and SA leaders. “The rest, as they say, is history,” notes Wasserman.

Bush, or rather his neocons, who subscribe to the Schmittian drive “for the arrogation of all power into the hands of a ‘unitary executive’ Presidential dictatorship,” have their own gesetzvertretende Verordnungen or “law-substituting decrees,” or rather Constitution-substituting decrees, in particular scrubbing the Fourteenth Amendment.

“The military trials bill approved by Congress lends legislative support for the first time to broad rules for the detention, interrogation, prosecution and trials of terrorism suspects far different from those in the familiar American criminal justice system,” explains the Washington Post. “President Bush’s argument that the government requires extraordinary power to respond to the unusual threat of terrorism helped him win final support for a system of military trials with highly truncated defendant’s rights…. Included in the bill, passed by Republican majorities in the Senate yesterday and the House on Wednesday are unique rules that bar terrorism suspects from challenging their detention or treatment through traditional habeas corpus petitions. They allow prosecutors, under certain conditions, to use evidence collected through hearsay or coercion to seek criminal convictions.”

Naturally, we are told this “arrogation of all power into the hands” of the unitary decider will apply only to “foreign nationals,” that is to say Muslims. Hitler said much the same.

The enemies of the fatherland were foreigners—and their German fellow travelers—members of the comintern (communist international), Hitler declared, and such subversion required austere measures, including interning thousands in concentration camps, subjecting them to interrogation, torture, and summary execution.

As Marty Lederman points out, the so-called “military commissions bill,” if read literally, “means that if the Pentagon says you’re an unlawful enemy combatant—using whatever criteria they wish—then as far as Congress, and U.S. law, is concerned, you are one, whether or not you have had any connection to ‘hostilities’ at all.”

This definition is not limited to Al Qaeda and the Taliban. It’s not limited to aliens—it covers U.S. citizens as well. It’s not limited to persons captured or detained overseas. And it is not even limited to the armed conflict against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, authorized by Congress on September 18, 2001. Indeed, on the face of it, it’s not even limited to a time of war or armed conflict; it could apply in peacetime.

For some, it is a relatively easy task to dismiss Lederman out of hand as a paranoid crank, or possibly another conspiracy nut.

However, even the Los Angeles Times warns of the draconian aspect of this law. “[T]he bill also reinforces the presidential claims, made in the Padilla case, that the commander in chief has the right to designate a U.S. citizen on American soil as an enemy combatant and subject him to military justice,” writes Bruce Ackerman, a professor of law and political science at Yale.

This atrocious, Hitlerian bill authorizes “the government to seize and detain indefinitely, without charge or trial, anyone who ‘purposefully and materially supported hostilities’ even if not engaged in armed conflict, including U.S. citizens arrested inside the United States,” explains Human Rights First.

“Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies, said that by including those who ’supported hostilities’—rather than those who ‘engage in acts’ against the United States—the government intends the legislation to sanction its seizure and indefinite detention of people far from the battlefield,” notes the Washington Post.

“In short,” writes John Dean, “this could include anyone the federal government (Bush and Rumsfeld will delegate and re-delegate this authority) labels ‘an unlawful enemy combatant.’”

Nazi Germany provides a historical example of what we can expect in the months ahead. William L. Shirer, author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, explains how tribunals operated under fascism. Hitler’s courts

consisted of three judges, who invariably had to be trusted party members, without a jury. A Nazi prosecutor had the choice of bringing action in such cases before either an ordinary court or the Special Court, and invariably he chose the latter, for obvious reasons. Defense lawyers before this court, as before the Volksgerichtshof, had to be approved by Nazi officials. Sometimes even if they were approved they fared badly. Thus the lawyers who attempted to represent the widow of Dr. Klausener, the Catholic Action leader murdered in the Blood Purge, in her suit for damages against the State were whisked off to Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where they were kept until they formally withdrew the action.

Under Bush’s Detainee bill, however, the secretly accused, snatched off the street and disappeared in classic Gestapo fashion, will not be allowed to select an attorney—one will be appointed by the Inquisition.

At least the Nazis bothered to construct a cover for their tactics, describing the detention of the opposition as Schutzhaft, or protective custody. Bush and the neocons offer no such cover, instead proffering the same old threadbare and transparent palliative—in order to protect the American people from ubiquitous and around-every-corner terrorism, promised to last for generations, the state is unfortunately forced to resort to eviscerating the Constitution, not that most Americans have an inkling of what the document spells out—the rights and the responsibilities—or will they particularly care so long as they are free to shop and watch football and sit-coms.

Of course, the neocons need big fat dossiers of intelligence on “homegrown” enemy combatants in order for the neocon Inquisitor Generals to proceed.

The NSA, Pentagon, and the FBI with its Joint Terrorism Task Force are in the process of gathering this crucial data and entering it into the Threat and Local Observation Notice (TALON) database, a project initiated back in 2003 by the neocon Paul Wolfowitz, now don of the World Bank loan sharking operation.

So keen are the neocons to gather intelligence on American “enemy combatants,” Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England issued a memorandum directing intelligence personnel to receive “refresher training on the policies for collection, retention, dissemination and use of information related to U.S. persons,” that is to say traitors, mostly involved in criminal plots to exercise constitutionally guaranteed liberties such as free speech and the right to assemble, now anathema to the fascist state, as it was to Hitler and his minions.

But never mind. Not only are most Americans blissfully unaware of the immense peril they face—thanks to a complicit and soft-pedal corporate media—many of them faithfully support the fascist state, as the German people did before them.

As the above quoted Shirer writes: “The overwhelming majority of Germans did not seem to mind that their personal freedom had been taken away, that so much of culture had been destroyed and replaced with a mindless barbarism…. The Nazi terror in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and a newly arrived observer was somewhat surprised to see that the people of this country did not seem to feel that they were being cowed…. On the contrary, they supported it with genuine enthusiasm. Somehow it imbued them with a new hope and a new confidence and an astonishing faith in the future of their country.”

It will be too late on the day a predatory bureaucrat from the Ministry of Homeland security steals your land or appropriates your wife—a fate inflicted upon countless bovine vassals by rulers and their henchmen down through the dark shadow of history.

Our Machiavellian rulers, wearing expensive suits instead of the ermine of royal heraldic authority, are determined to reduce the planet to a hellish realm of corporate lords, worker drone vassals and serfs, and a small number of liege fiefs lording over the former.

Bush’s detainee bill is a large paving stone in that direction.


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#1. To: Arator (#0)

Bush’s Detainee bill

Who actually authored this bill? Does anyone know?

We know that Prince of Zion Chertoff authored the Patriot Act, an act that was based on legislative ideas first put forward by 13 Jewish groups in the mid-1990's. I wonder if this bill's authorship has a similar pedigree.

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-29   21:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Burkeman1, aristeides, honway, Fred Mertz, Jethro Tull, christine, Zipporah, robin, Red Jones, Mekons4, mehitable, jesse jane, lodwick, tom007, scrapper2, Ferret Mike (#0)

It's Germany, 1933 all over again.

Resistance is now imperative. This unConstitutional abomination simply cannot stand.

Any suggestions on how best to proceed now that we have an overtly criminal government?

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2006-09-29   22:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: AngelSpawn (#1)

We know that Prince of Zion Chertoff authored the Patriot Act, an act that was based on legislative ideas first put forward by 13 Jewish groups in the mid-1990's. I wonder if this bill's authorship has a similar pedigree.

You give Chertoff too much credit. He's a feckless dunce.

I was under the impression that eager fascist and torture-advocate John Yoo authored the Patriot Act.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2006-09-29   22:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Arator (#0)

Under Bush’s Detainee bill, however, the secretly accused, snatched off the street and disappeared in classic Gestapo fashion, will not be allowed to select an attorney—one will be appointed by the Inquisition.

Arator, I'll see you in Gitmo, that is if we're lucky to get that far.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-09-29   22:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Arator (#2)

How do we resist these sob's. We can't vote them out. I guess continued keyboard commando tactics? I honestly haven't a clue.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-29   22:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Arator (#2)

Find a way to get Rumsfeld to fly to Germany, Cheney to Copenhagen, Rice to Yugoslavia and Smirk to the Ukraine.

These nations just might do the job for us. Please feel free to make any corrections.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-29   22:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

How do we resist these sob's.

I can't say what I think.

It has gotten that bad.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-09-29   22:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Arator (#3)

I was under the impression that eager fascist and torture-advocate John Yoo authored the Patriot Act.

You're confusing Yoo with Chertoff's longtime trusty sidekick Viet Dinh.

Chertoff literally has Bush's life in his hands. DHS has charge of the Secret Service.

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-29   22:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Arator (#2)

uh...noooooo.

christine  posted on  2006-09-29   22:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Fred Mertz (#7)

well, suffice to say numerous holes will appear in heads.....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-29   22:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull, Fred Mertz (#5)

How do we resist these sob's. We can't vote them out. I guess continued keyboard commando tactics? I honestly haven't a clue.

I'm at a loss myself, JT. They've taken the ballot from us. Our elections our shams.

The Dems are pathetic and/or complicit. Look how many of them voted for this.

The Germans didn't do very well when faced with the same tyrannical juggernaut. It took a foreign invader to excise and destroy the malignancy. Will we go the same way?

I would hope that an American people awake and united could bring these bastards down peacefully. I don't think they have enough mindless goons yet to pull this off. They can't disappear us all.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2006-09-29   22:13:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

How do we resist these sob's

CWII

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-29   22:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Arator (#11)

The Dems are pathetic and/or complicit. Look how many of them voted for this.

No question, the Democrats are complicit.

The same lobby group has influence over both political parties, with folks of the same persuation, let's say, being assigned gov't policy level jobs no matter whether the GOP or Dimwits are the party in power. That's not by accident. We are being sovietized in more ways than one.

scrapper2  posted on  2006-09-29   22:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#12)

Translation please.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-29   22:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Translation please.

Civil War II

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2006-09-29   22:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Translation please.

Arator is correct....

There is no other way...

The police state is upon us, making resistance by small numbers nearly impossible.

Thanks to Bush any hint or whiff of revolt will be crushed, if one needs any assurance of such, recall Waco.

CWII, is remotely possible if one or more state governments were to call the Federals to account. That is where the question of, "will Army troops fire on Americans", will be answered.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-29   22:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#16)

That is where the question of, "will Army troops fire on Americans", will be answered.

I can answer that. They will w/o hesistation.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-29   22:34:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

They will w/o hesistation.

Jethro...

I fear you are correct..That is the problem of having an entire "professional" military.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-29   22:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Arator (#0)

arrogant

adjective

Overly convinced of one's own superiority and importance: haughty, high-and-mighty, insolent, lofty, lordly, overbearing, overweening, prideful, proud, supercilious, superior. Idioms: on one's high horse. See attitude/good attitude/bad attitude/neutral attitude.

arrogate - seize and take control without authority and possibly with force; take as one's right or possession; "He assumed to himself the right to fill all positions in the town"; "he usurped my rights"; "She seized control of the throne after her husband died" take over, usurp, seize, assume take - take by force; "Hitler took the Baltic Republics"; "The army took the fort on the hill" annex - take (territory) by conquest; "Hitler annexed Lithuania" appropriate, conquer, seize, capture - take possession of by force, as after an invasion; "the invaders seized the land and property of the inhabitants"; "The army seized the town"; "The militia captured the castle" preoccupy - occupy or take possession of beforehand or before another or appropriate for use in advance; "the army preoccupied the hills" raid - take over (a company) by buying a controlling interest of its stock; "T. Boone Pickens raided many large companies"

Someone really, really needs to pound these punks about five feet into the sand at low tide, and leave the nazis there as the tide comes in.

When the Dems take over, I hope the first thing they do is name the Repukes a terrorist group, and send the whole bunch to Pakistan, Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Egypt, and a few other countries I could think of for a nice long conversation. I personally would be happy to travel from country to country to supervise the waterboarding and hanging them from their wrists a foot off the ground in a freezing room, butt naked, for 48 hours or so. Since they've redefined that behavior as "chatting," I'm sure Cheney and Smirk and Condi and Alberto and the rest would have no objection to a nice little vacation. And heaven forfend they call it rendering. Or torture. Just a nice little chat among friends.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-09-29   22:36:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Mekons4 (#19)

When the Dems take over, I hope the first thing they do is name the Repukes a terrorist group...

Haven't you realized that there isn't a whit of difference between the two factions of the same party yet?

I hope in November all the bums (incumbents) are thrown out.

No offense intended.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-09-29   22:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

They will w/o hesistation.

Woodward says Bush is increasingly "removed from reality"..To that I would add he is becoming more paranoid every day, he sees "enemies" everywhere.

Paranoia capped with loss of reality is a dangerous mix.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-29   22:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Fred Mertz (#20)

Haven't you realized that there isn't a whit of difference between the two factions of the same party yet?

Agreed..

Recall when the pubs took over the White house and Congress, there were many people that honestly thought there would be a house cleaning after Clinton.

Nothing happened. Not a thing changed.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-29   22:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#21)

He makes Nixons's last days look normal.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-29   22:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Fred Mertz (#20)

Haven't you realized that there isn't a whit of difference between the two factions of the same party yet?

One can hope that revenge is on the Dems minds. Being called traitors for five years can bring one's attention to the problem at hand. I'm not happy with either party, but the Repukes are so far from redemption, I go for the other guys. And if they go soft on these animals, then every Dem incumbant will pay the price two years from now. Lieberman thought he could do the bidding of the Likud, and he got evicted from the Dem party. He may still win, but he's been totally discredited as a shill for Bush and Israel. His career is over, if not now, soon.

I still think there is a party possibility of people like many here, who mix conservative and liberal ideals, with the main emphasis on personal freedom. But you have to destroy both parties to make that work. And you have to get them one at a time.

I don't know what is going to happen, but my feeling is that we MIGHT return to politicians being terrified of the voters. There are a lot of ways of getting there, but a bunch of incumbants seeing their incumbant buddies go down in flames is at least a good starting point. And removing the Repukes from power, destroying K St., and PUNISHING the criminals are the most important things to me.

After the Dems take power, I am voting for every non-DC person I can find. If the lobbyists are even allowed to TALK to congressmen without being put in jail, the Dems have to go too. That is the root of the cancer, the thought that being in politics will definitely make you rich, if you suck up to the powers that be.

Whenever you let special interests start writing bills, democracy is history. A nice fat low-yield nuke, as Goldwater put it, would defoliate K Street just fine.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-09-29   22:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Arator (#11)

If Rush Limbaugh was right when he said this (and I think he was) about the American Revolution, we only need to convince 33% of the populace.

I believe that number and greater exist currently. The infallible and all holy Rassmussen poll points to a major majority of Americans distrustful of this President and concerned about the direction of this country. The problem lies in most people are prepared to put their faith in a Democratic Party who is just as responsible. We have been trained to the idea this country can only flourish with a two party system forgetting our history that speaks otherwise.

What we lack is a leader(s). Alex Jones, for all the good he does, ain't it. He gets to rattled and emotional at times. And I don't mean rattled as in easily confused. Rattled as in it is easy to ask him a question and watch him go in 1000 tagents all at once.

People are divided now, but again I do believe a majority sense "something" is going bad. And there is much confusion. This confusion is being capitalized upon. It is hard to make sense out of much confusion and chaos. Unfortunately, I fear we lack the time to make sense out of it all before that fishing net has reeled us all in. The only way to escape a net is to create a weakness in it and exploit it.

"People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people." -- V

scooter  posted on  2006-09-29   23:39:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Arator (#2)

Any suggestions on how best to proceed now that we have an overtly criminal government?

Don't vote in federal elections. Save your money, buy some gold and precious metals, and always support the local over the national in ALL conflicts- no matter what. Immerse yourself in your community civil life- local government, local charities (not national ones), and local issues. Build up trust and goodwill around your immediate physical location. Becoming a someone on the local level is your best protection from the Federal government. Otherwise- cross your t's and dot your i's when it comes to taxes and wait. Avoid groups on the national level that promise relief from the plagues and corruptions of DC- they just want the accumulated power for themselves.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-29   23:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Arator (#3) (Edited)

I was under the impression that eager fascist and torture- advocate John Yoo authored the Patriot Act.

Viet D. Dinh was the primary author of the Patriot Act. John Yoo was the primary author of the torture memo. http://www.realitybasednation.com/blog-archives/2005/02/torture_memo_au.html

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   0:00:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Burkeman1, Mekons4 (#26)

Don't vote in federal elections. Save your money, buy some gold and precious metals, and always support the local over the national in ALL conflicts- no matter what.

I strongly disagree. Not exercising your vote - the only credible threat to political animals' power, if done by great numbers of people - is the worst thing a citizen can do. The Feds control foreign policy which is one of our major problems today - we'll be lucky if this country will survive the ill- effects of our foreign policy that has been high-jacked by special interest groups. The power of an individual's vote puts us all on the same plane - the individuals supporting a special interest group, like the Israel Lobby for example, still only get one vote each like you and me when all is said and done, no matter how $ the fund raising group can raise as a whole to bribe politicians. It's still a numbers game at the voting booths and the political animals can be made to appreciate that fact very quickly with voters' self- imposed term limits ie "throw the bums out."

Civic policticians are the small pond wannabes. Any local politician I've dealt with is as infatuated with power as GWB. He/she at the local level dream of making it to "the Big Show." Also, local politicians have zero effect/influence on the very thing that is killing this nation - foreign policy. Local politicians' big concerns of any given day are cracked sidewalks, skate board parks, loitering ordinances - they're all small potatoes issues that have little effect on whether or not your kid will get drafted, whether it's safe for you to travel outside the USA on an American passport, etc.

I agree with what Mekons4 says in post #24 as perhaps the only hope for our country, or a start at least, "throw the bums" out every 4 years until they remember whose interests they are supposed to serve:

"...I don't know what is going to happen, but my feeling is that we MIGHT return to politicians being terrified of the voters. There are a lot of ways of getting there, but a bunch of incumbants seeing their incumbant buddies go down in flames is at least a good starting point..."

scrapper2  posted on  2006-09-30   0:03:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: scrapper2 (#28)

Your vote on the federal level is statistically meaningless. The choices are frauds. The same policies are continued no matter what happens or who is voted in or out. Indeed- your vote on the federal level only legitimizes DC and their usurptations of power.

I voted in my last federal election in 2004. I will never cast a vote for a federal seat ever again.

When enough people stop voting on the federal level- DC's legitimacy is gone.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-30   0:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Burkeman1 (#29)

When enough people stop voting on the federal level- DC's legitimacy is gone.

They'll just spin it as all of us are happy.

The thought occurs to me that 20 million people invading Washington and staying there for a few months might do the trick. Simply ignoring those asshats won't work. Make it so they can't go to work without carrying a pound or so of spit every morning might have an impact. They seriously think they are untouchable. It's gonna be painful when you realize, you're not immune to the fascist disease (the Subhumans, a great band from Vancouver, not the Brit one)

Mekons4  posted on  2006-09-30   0:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: scrapper2 (#28)

Local politicians' big concerns of any given day are cracked sidewalks, skate board parks, loitering ordinances

Yup- and even that power is getting smaller and smaller because we give more and more to DC. When you vote for two politicains both proposing massive national education bills with slightly different flavors that will sieze yet more control over local schools away from locally elected officials you are feeding the machine- you are voting away local political power and actually making your vote less and less meaningful.

Foreign policy? Huh? Your vote does nothing to alter that whatsoever. I love all this talk about Foreign Policy on these boards as "We" and "our". I have had ZERO say over this countries foreign policy. Not even theoretically does my opinion on what DC does or does not do in the ME matter at all. ZERO. ZILCH. We are not involved in the decisions, we don't have a hand in them, "our" opinion is looked at in simplistic lump polls in which the questions are written by the men making the policies.

And there won't be any "Throwing the bums out". They have this down to a science. I think most of you are in for a surprise about the November elections. If you expect to see a "Sea Change" you are in for a rude awakening.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-30   0:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: BTP Holdings (#27)

Viet D. Dinh was the primary author of the Patriot Act. John Yoo was the primary author of the torture memo. http://www.realitybasednation.com/blog-archives/2005/02/torture_memo_au.html

You are correct. I got those two treasonous Oriental imports confused.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2006-09-30   0:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Mekons4 (#30)

20 million people going to DC and squatting on the Mall and choking the streets of Georgetown in front of Congressmens' brownstone multi million dollar homes would be far more effective than any number of votes. Votes are a controlled joke.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-09-30   0:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Burkeman1, All (#29)

When enough people stop voting on the federal level- DC's legitimacy is gone.

Special interest groups' individuals will still go out and vote religiously ( bad pun) even while you are sitting at home.

As American voting percentages go down, the quality of DC animal has grown worse, not better. The really awful, some of the worst are now in DC ( and that goes for both parties)- they don't feel any less "legitimate" in the power they wield over our daily lives, because a small fraction of the eligible voters showed up. These political hogs in power do not feel "illegitimate."

All they know is they are still in power. They have been validated, at least in their self-serving egotistical minds. So the only message from bad election turn outs that the politician takes is "the sheeple are asleep - ha, ha - no accountability or voter imposed term limits pour moi."

scrapper2  posted on  2006-09-30   0:22:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Arator, all (#0)

I just posted More Blonde Jokes II, but it ain´t a joke! IF you get a chance, please read it and let me know what you think. Richard

It has to do with a response to this; the only response that is workable without bloodshed.

The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.

richard9151  posted on  2006-09-30   14:55:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#22)

Nothing happened. Not a thing changed.

A lot has changed - not as we had hoped - but all for the worse.

The adults crazies are now in charge.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-30   21:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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