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Title: More Blonde Jokes II
Source: Various
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Published: Sep 30, 2006
Author: richard9151
Post Date: 2006-09-30 14:29:49 by richard9151
Keywords: Constitution, attorneys, citizenship
Views: 236
Comments: 24

More Blonde Jokes

Now that I have your attention, I would like to take this opportunity to explain a couple of things. However, so that the one-legged-man and Jethro can not say that I sailed a ship under a false flag;

Blonde in a Car

A blonde walked into a gas station and said to the manager, ''I locked my keys in my car. Do you have a coat hanger or something I can stick through the window to unlock the door?''

''Why sure,'' said the manager, ''we have something that works especially well for that.''

A couple minutes later, the manager walked outside to see how the blonde was doing and he heard another voice. ''No, no! A little to the left,'' said the other blonde inside the car.

Well, maybe one more;

A Child's Prayer

One night, a father passed by his son's room and heard his son praying: "God bless Mommy, Daddy, and Grandma. Ta ta, Grandpa."

The father didn't quite know what this meant, but was glad his son was praying. The next morning, they found Grandpa dead on the floor of a heart attack. The father reassured himself that it was just a coincidence, but was still a bit spooked.

The next night, he heard his son praying again: "God bless Mommy and Daddy. Ta ta, Grandma."

The father was worried, but decided to wait until morning. Sure enough, the next morning Grandma was on the floor, dead of a heart attack.

Really scared now, the father decided to wait outside his son's door the next night. And sure enough, the boy started to pray: "God bless Mommy. Ta ta, Daddy."

Now the father was crapping his pants. He stayed up all night, and went to the doctor's early the next day to make sure his health was fine. When he finally came home, his wife was waiting on the porch. She said, "Thank God you're here -- we could really use your help! We found the milkman dead on our porch this morning!" (No, it was not a blond joke, but it wasn´t bad!)

Now that we have that out of our systems, please, permit me to explain a couple of puzzling things.

When someone in the government, or an attorney, or someone asking questions concerning credit, asks you where do you live, it goes something like this; Where are you a resident, or, at what location are you resident.

Why is it that they do not just plain and simple ask you where you live? What is so complicated about that?! Actually, there is nothing complicated about it. The problem is that you are working and living in the real world, and the government, the attorney, and the credit exists in a legal world, and you were being asked a legal question for purposes of establishing jurisdiction.

Simple enough, isn´t it? Yes, I know, no one bothered to explain this to you when they were asking the questions, but that does not mitigate the effect of how you answer the questions.

Please permit me to explain what happens when you admit to being a resident. For the purposes of this explanation, let´s use Florida. Everyone wants to talk about Florida, so, let us use it!

If you are a resident of Florida, you do not live in Florida state, Florida state would be one of the several states which are a party to the Constitution of the United States. Instead, because you are a resident of Florida, you live in the State of Florida, which is a Federal District State, incorporated under the laws of the District of Columbia, NOT a party to the Constitution of the United States, and a creation of Congress, thus subject to the EXCLUSIVE Jurisdiction of Congress. And since you are a resident of the State of Florida, you are a United States citizen and also are subject to the Exclusive Jurisdiction of Congress. (For understanding of the term resident, see the 14th Amendment. More on this in the Post, Who Controls the United States, Part 3.)

Well, yeah, I suppose so, but what does that mean, and how did I get here?

I am glad that you asked, for that is the rest of the story, so bear with me for just a few moments and I will explain. In addition, since we do not want to make this any longer of a post than is absolutely necessary, I will point you to other posts where you can learn more details.

I suppose that we should start with Republic and Democracy. Now, constantly, you are being told that you live in the greatest Democracy that has ever existed on the face of the earth, correct? Of course you are, and if a politician is not telling you that, it is being broadcast in the news. BUT, did you ever say the Pledge of Allegiance to a Democracy? Or, did you say the Pledge of Allegiance to…. The Republic for which it stands?

What in the world is going on here? How can there be two things…. A Democracy and/or a Republic? It is not and/or; it is specifically two separate things;

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/ChallJurisdiction/FedSubjMtrJurisdiction.htm

As we explain throughout this website, our national government of the United States legislates for two distinct territorial jurisdictions.

The Federal Zone, which includes the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, Virgin Islands. This jurisdiction is also referred to as the "territorial jurisdiction" or the areas over which the sovereignty of the government of the united States extends. (My note; please pay close attention to the small u in united. That means that the word united is not a noun; it is an adjective. That is a very important difference, and for reference, see the Declaration of Independence.)

The sovereign 50 states of the Union of states. These states are foreign governments with respect to the United States. They are also referred to as "foreign countries" in 28 U.S.C. §297 and 26 CFR §1.911-2(h) and "foreign states" in 28 U.S.C. §1603. Terms clarifying these concepts appear below:

Foreign government: "The government of the United States of America as distinguished from the government of the several states." [Black's Law Dictionary, 5th Edition]

Foreign laws: "The laws of a foreign country or sister state." [Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Edition]

Foreign States: "Nations outside of the United States...Term may also refer to another state; i.e. a sister state. The term "foreign nations', ...should be construed to mean all nations and states other than that in which the action is brought; and hence, one state of the Union is foreign to another, in that sense." [Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition]

Unless expressly provided otherwise in the law itself, all laws passed by the U.S. Congress shall conclusively be presumed to apply only within the former, or first of the two jurisdictions, called the federal zone, above.

"A canon of construction which teaches that of Congress, unless a contrary intent appears, is meant to apply only within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States." U.S. v. Spelar, 338 U.S. 217 at 222 (1949); in other words, only within the Federal Zone. (When you see a term that says ´within the United States, now you know that it is a LEGAL term and you know what it means.´)

I think that you should read the above several times and digest just what it means, that there are TWO national governments. TWO, not one, and if you do not know where you are, IN A LEGAL SENSE, you may be very confused with what you see happening around, and to, you.

This type of legislation by Congress is also known as "municipal" law, because Congress is the municipal authority inside the federal zone.

But, are we correct in what we think we know now? Perhaps we should listen to a Supreme Court Justice and see what he thinks. After all, he probably has a better idea as to what is going on that we do!

The idea prevails with some -- indeed, it found expression in arguments at the bar -- that we have in this country substantially or practically two national governments; one, to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to exercise.

[Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244 (1901)] [emphasis added]

To appreciate how alarmed Justice Harlan had become as a result of this new "theory", consider the following from his dissent:

I take leave to say that if the principles thus announced should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court, a radical and mischievous change in our system of government will be the result. We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of legislative absolutism. ...

It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside of the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence. No higher duty rests upon this court than to exert its full authority to prevent all violation of the principles of the Constitution.

[Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244 (1901)]

But, even this does not fully explain what is going on. I think that we can now say that, yes, for what it is worth, there is a Democracy AND a Republic, but what does that mean and what does it have to do with the State of Florida? Why is that a Federal District State?

That is a pretty good question, and to answer it, perhaps we should look at something else that really confuses a lot of people, and that is Executive Orders.

First, you can go here; http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

Executive Orders Disposition Tables Index

The Disposition Tables list the status of Executive Orders from:

January 8, 1937 - August 29, 2006

Executive orders are official documents, numbered consecutively, through which the President of the United States manages the operations of the Federal Government. (Note; you could spend a LOT of time here because there are a LOT of Executive Orders!)

That is pretty clear, but is it all of the story? No, not really, because we seldom find anything resembling the truth when we deal with the government, and we all understand that. In Black´s Law Dictionary, we are told that Executive Orders must be published in the Federal Register for thirty days to have the effect of law, and must be justified by the Constitution, some treaty or laws passed by Congress. Of course, as we have already learned, if the President writes something for the Federal Zone, the Constitution does not apply, so things are pretty much wide open. And if the President writes an Executive Order, and Congress does not like it, what happens? Congress could over-ride the Executive Order, with a super-majority vote, but this has never happened, and, I suspect, never will, so in essence, the President of the United States writes law just as any potentate would in the old world!

What do you think of the so-called Founding Fathers of the United States? And does what you think of them have anything to do with what you were taught in the Public schools… controlled by the government? Of course it does!

I would like to recommend that you read a post titled The Public School Nightmare. It is listed under Editorials. Here is a brief excerpt;

… Now think about Sweden, a beautiful, healthy, prosperous and up-to-date country with a spectacular reputation for quality in everything it produces. It makes sense to think their schools must have something to do with that.

Then what do you make of the fact that you can't go to school in Sweden until you are 7 years old? The reason the unsentimental Swedes have wiped out what would be first and seconds grades here is that they don't want to pay the large social bill that quickly comes due when boys and girls are ripped away from their best teachers at home too early.

It just isn't worth the price, say the Swedes, to provide jobs for teachers and therapists if the result is sick, incomplete kids who can't be put back together again very easily. The entire Swedish school sequence isn't 12 years, either--it's nine. Less schooling, not more. The direct savings of such a step in the US would be $75-100 billion, a lot of unforeclosed home mortgages, a lot of time freed up with which to seek an education. …

… So the world got compulsion schooling at the end of a state bayonet for the first time in human history; modern forced schooling started in Prussia in 1819 with a clear vision of what centralized schools could deliver:

Obedient soldiers to the army; Obedient workers to the mines; Well subordinated civil servants to government; Well subordinated clerks to industry. Citizens who thought alike about major issues. Schools should create an artificial national consensus on matters that had been worked out in advance by leading German families and the head of institutions. Schools should create unity among all the German states, eventually unifying them into Greater Prussia. …

Then I want you to consider this, and ask yourself why something like the following has never made it into the public school system.

… When did the first Executive Order get written, and by whom, and for what reason?

On the internet, at 'http://civil-liberties.com', is a very interesting on-line book titled The United States is Still a Subject of Great Britain. Recently new to this on-line book is a summary section in which I found the following information:

"In reading the Messages and Papers of the Presidents, vol. I, 1789-1897, I discovered the following:

Gentlemen of the Senate: Pursuant to the powers vested in me by the act entitled "An act repealing after the last day of June next the duties heretofore laid upon distilled spirits imported from abroad and laying others in their stead, and also upon spirits distilled within the United States, and for appropriating the same," I have thought fit to divide the United States into the following districts, namely:

The district of New Hampshire, to consist of the State of New Hampshire; the district of Massachusetts, to consist of the State of Massachusetts; the district of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, to consist of the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations; the district of Connecticut, to consist of the State of Connecticut; the district of Vermont, to consist of the State of Vermont; the district of New York, to consist of the State of New York; the district of New Jersey, to consist of the State of New Jersey; the district of Pennsylvania, to consist of the State of Pennsylvania; the district of Delaware, to consist of the State of Delaware; the district of Maryland, to consist of the State of Maryland; the district of Virginia, to consist of the State of Virginia; the district of North Carolina, to consist of the State of North Carolina; the district of South Carolina, to consist of the State of South Carolina; and the district of Georgia, to consist of the State of Georgia." March 4, 1791 (page 99).

In George Washington's Proclamation of March 30, 1791, he declares the district of Columbia to be created and its borders established, he says further:

"And Congress by an amendatory act passed on the 3rd day of the present month of March have given further authority to the President of the United States..."

This replaced the States in Union with the District States in Union formally known as the States of... . This was also necessary for the newly formed Bank of the United States, February 25, 1791, to do business in the State of..., but is actually the District State. Subjection of the States of... was complete, all that was necessary was for a permanent state of war to exist, such as we have had since the Civil War, to invoke statutory law over the enemy, requiring them to obey all license requirements, because enemies have no rights in an occupied territory.

Washington declared, under the War Powers, acting as Commander-in-Chief, that the States of the Union were now overlaid by District States, …

… The Constitution granted legislative authority to Congress only over a ten square mile District, making Congress the supreme authority, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, over the District. Washington extended this District without Constitutional authority. Washington put in place officers of the District to oversee the District States. As a result of the military rule imposed by Washington, District courts and Appeals courts were ordered to enforce collection and fines and imprisonment of anyone defying the laws of the United States. THESE DISTRICTS CREATED BY GEORGE WASHINGTON HAVE NEVER BEEN REMOVED. The Judicial Districts were created by the Judiciary Act of 1789, two years before Washington said Congress gave him additional powers, thereby HE created the District States, so the federal government could use the militias to crush the tax protesters in Pennsylvania, by Washington's order. Since the Judicial Districts already existed, why did they recreate them? Washington said he was dividing the United States into District States."...

This means that we have finally arrived at where you, as a United States citizen, live, in a Federal District State, under the Exclusive Jurisdiction of Congress, and outside of the protections offered by the restrictions on government power by the Constitution.

But wait, we have not finished the story because we have yet to explain WHY the Constitution does not apply to the Federal District States!

United States v. Cornell 25 Fed. Cas. 646, no. 14,867 C.C.D.R.I. 1819 … It is under the like terms in the same clause of the constitution that exclusive jurisdiction is now exercised by congress in the District of Columbia …

In Downes v. Bidwell, 1901, the Supreme Court ruled that "exclusive" meant exactly that; EXCLUSIVE jurisdiction, with no control from the Constitution. (In Downes v. Bidwell, the Court ruled that "exclusive" meant "without consideration of the Constitutional restraints...")

Because the Constitution was specifically written to permit Congress to have Exclusive Jurisdiction over the Federal Zone, and it is obvious, with the actions of George Washington in creating the Federal District States and thus extending the Federal Zone over the top of the several states of the Union that the so-called Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing.

How do we know this? There is a saying that there are no accidents in politics. That makes sense when you think about it, because if what was done was in error, it was corrected. This situation with Exclusive Jurisdiction was not an error, because it has been in place and causing havoc in America since 1791; that is 215 years! I would judge that, indeed, it was no accident.

And in judging the actions of the men named as Founding Fathers, it would be difficult to believe that they did what they did in ignorance, or without outside influence. Therefore, since the majority of them were Masons, I think we can judge that this played more than a small part in the affair, especially when you know that Benjamin Franklin, a Mason, printed a book about Constitutions sometime in the early part of the 18th century. This can be confirmed here; http://bessel.org/bkrevs.htm

MLC - Masonic Leadership Center web page of Masonic Book Reviews

(You will note above that this is a Masonic center; not a figment of my imagination, right?)

The information on this web page was prepared by Paul M. Bessel, Executive Secretary of the Masonic Leadership Center. It is an attempt to compile the locations of all reviews of Masonic books, as well as links to reviews of Masonic books on the Internet, plus texts of Masonic books on the Internet. I will try to add to it regularly, to include current reviews of Masonic books and reviews from the past, too. If anyone wants to send me email, especially if any of the information on this chart is not correct or if you know of additional information that should be included, please send me email by clicking on my name: Paul M. Bessel

The Constitutions of the Free-Masons (reprint of Anderson's book by Benjamin Franklin),

Perhaps I have answered a very few of the many questions that you have had about where everything went wrong, and why is the Constitution not being enforced!? I assure you, no one is violating the Constitution; it is alive and well, and doing exactly what it was intended to do, and that is to establish a Masonic New World Order.

There is, perhaps, one other point that should be made here.

For decades, I have heard that it will only take one more election, if all of us just work together and elect the right man/woman/wombat to office! But how many catch on that no matter who you are voting for, they are all attorneys!?

Roughly 95% of all governors, all legislators, the president, members of Congress, and etc. are attorneys. So, where is the change going to come from?

No one I speak to likes attorneys; heck, most attorneys do not like other attorneys! They´ll generally tell you straight out that other attorneys lie to them, cheat on paperwork and filings, and deliberately mislabel or mis-send important documents, all in the interest of the client, of course. Hogwash! All attorneys are officers of the court, and there first responsibility is to the court. So, if all of them are officers of the court, how does that work with the so-called separation of powers? Keeping the legislative, executive and judicial branches of the government separate from each other.

(Note; This is a lie. The Separation of Powers that was established by the Constitution was in the election to the House of Representatives directly by the people, and the appointment of the Senators by the legislatures of the several states.)

And, is this the only place that all of those licensed attorneys are lying to us?: http://www.landrights.com/Atty-license-fraud.htm ATTORNEY LICENSE FRAUD ATTORNEY'S LICENSE??? AIN'T NO SUCH THING!!!

I. AS PER THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT; A. The practice of Law CAN NOT be licensed by any state/State Schware v. Board of Examiners, 353 U.S. 238, 239 B. The practice of Law is AN OCCUPATION OF COMMON RIGHT! Sims v. Aherns, 271 S.W. 720 (1925)

II. The "CERTIFICATE" from the State Supreme Court: 1. ONLY authorizes, A. To practice Law "IN COURTS" As a member of the STATE JUDICIAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.

And if you study the above carefully, you will note that attorneys are famous for lying because, well, that is what they do!

Now, once you begin to understand these things, other things begin to make more sense to you. For instance, that yellow fringed flag that flies in each and every court room and law enforcement office of the United States;

… The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a foreign enclave …

That foreign enclave is the Federal Zone, and it is under the jurisdiction of the President of the United States. That court is a courts martial court, and YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS OR YOU WOULD NOT BE IN THAT COURT! The problem, of course, is that you contracted into the court under Social Security, and gave up your rights for a pig-in-a-poke.

When you look at the Gold Fringed Flag in a court room, note the eagle mounted on top; that is the symbol, by law, for the Commander-in-Chief, of the military forces of the United States. You should pay particular attention to EVERYWHERE that you see such flags, including on the TV. An interesting side note are the flags mounted outside which have a round ball on the top; those are RECRUITING stations, recruiting United States citizens.

Actually, you should pay attention to any flags you see displayed, as flags are ALWAYS military. When a banner, which resembles a flag, is displayed, it is mounted on the wall; this is a LEGAL notification when it is so mounted on a wall in a court room that here is a court of the people, under peace.

Please understand this; ALL courts now in use within the United States operated by the various private BAR associations MUST fly the gold fringed flag denoting that they are under the jurisdiction of the President of the United States. This means, among other things, that the court is bound by all Executive Orders, and that ALL attorneys practicing in that court are also bound by all Executive Orders. Bound by oath and by law.

Now please tell me, how are you going to vote for any attorney and expect that something is going to change?!

I think that this is enough for now. There is a LOT more information that I could put in here, but that is up to you because I have Posted most of this information in much more complete form in a number of posts, listed below. I assure you, if you will read the posts below, you will understand, as never before, what went wrong, and you will have a much better idea of what is necessary to fix the problem. After all, if you can not correctly identify the problem, you can hardly be expected to know how to fix it! If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.

List of Posts pertaining to this information;

Who Controls the United States (under the 9/11 thread)

Who Controls the United States, Part 2 (also under the 9/11 thread) This one begins most of the information on the Constitution

Who controls the United States, Part 3 (not posted)

Who Controls the United States, Part 4 (not posted)

Gold Fringed Flag (absolutely necessary to read!)

The New Draft (understanding what is coming, and what came before)

Republic versus Democracy

Confederate States of America

What Separation of Church and State

The BAR (new post coming soon)

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

richard9151, jessejane, all (#4)

Can it be reformatted?

Sorry about that; do not know what happened.

When this happens, you can minimize the page, then right-click on the desktop. Then click the properties tab, and then go to the settings tab. Now resize it to 1152 x 864, click OK, and then bring the web page back up. You'll now be able to read the entire page without having to scroll left/right... One drawback however - the print will be considerably smaller in this new setting, and if you resize the print itself to larger you'll be right back in the same boat.... This trick works on all web pages that you have to scroll left/right to fit the whole page in (though you may have to experiment with different sizings to get it to fit). Don't forget to go back and resize it to it's original setting when you're done with that page!

Excellent info! Thanks for posting!

"Give me liberty, or give me death!" - Patrick Henry

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Ben Franklin

innieway  posted on  2006-09-30   15:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: innieway (#1)

Excellent info! Thanks for posting!

Thank you. Wait until I post the next one, The Bar, and with it, the beginning of The Solution. I think you will like it.... a lot!

The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.

richard9151  posted on  2006-09-30   15:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: richard9151 (#2)

Wait until I post the next one, The Bar, and with it, the beginning of The Solution. I think you will like it.... a lot!

I look forward to it!!

I've been pretty busy lately, and haven't been online much... Course, today is the Sabbath, so......

Do me a favor, and when you do post that one ping me. It may be another week before I get back online! But I always check my pings when I log onto 4um, so it'll be there. THANKS!!

Speaking of not being online much, I need to get off here. I have chores to do (things which do NOT violate the 7 conditions to be met to be in proper observance of the Sabbath).

"Give me liberty, or give me death!" - Patrick Henry

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote" - Ben Franklin

innieway  posted on  2006-09-30   15:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: richard9151 (#0)

You are right on the money.



***LEAP***

"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford

IndieTX  posted on  2006-09-30   16:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: IndieTX (#4)

You are right on the money.

Thank you. I know. I have been studying and writing about these subjects for many, many years. The difference is that I think we have finally arrivied at a point where the average American will pay attention.... if the info is presented to him in digestable pieces, and if he knows that at the end of the pieces is The Solution. And I think that I have that. God Bless, Richard

The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.

richard9151  posted on  2006-09-30   16:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: richard9151 (#0)

I. AS PER THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT; A. The practice of Law CAN NOT be licensed by any state/State Schware v. Board of Examiners, 353 U.S. 238, 239 B. The practice of Law is AN OCCUPATION OF COMMON RIGHT! Sims v. Aherns, 271 S.W. 720 (1925)

II. The "CERTIFICATE" from the State Supreme Court: 1. ONLY authorizes, A. To practice Law "IN COURTS" As a member of the STATE JUDICIAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.

It's funny, but we just covered this exact same info on a conference call the other night; same case cites and everything.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   17:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BTP Holdings (#6)

It's funny, but we just covered this exact same info on a conference call the other night; same case cites and everything.

Not funny at all... just logical because it is the truth. The only problem is the ignorance of so many, that they are led by so few, to their destruction. Wait till you see The Bar post, which I am still tweaking. At the end of The Bar post is the beginning of The Solution. I think you will like it.

The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.

richard9151  posted on  2006-09-30   17:17:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: richard9151 (#0)

These arguments are so patently absurd, I can't even fathom why you take the time to write them out and put them forth.

You are operating under the faulty premise that governments abide by or even care about their own rules. All of human history shows this is not the case. Governments are people engaged in collective force over a geographic area. Nothing more.

The idea of "laws" and "constitutions" are just facades for psychological purposes. They are in effect propaganda meant to convince the masses that there are rules by which this force is imposed and limits to which it will be exercised. If those rules get in the way of the goals of the rulers at the time - and if the populace allows it - the rules will be changed,and that will be the new starting point for the next exercise of power. This is history, this is human nature, and no amount of legalese will sway the rulers to a position contrary to their interests.

States don't exist. They are imaginary lines on maps. They only exist in your mind. They are fairy tales fed to the young, but those lines are no more real than the tooth fairy. If everyone could be convinced that the border of Iowa went South all the way to the border of Texas, than the border of Iowa would be the border of Texas.

The Haitian French had an aphorism directed toward the likes of you: ""Konstitusyon se papye, bayonht se feh" . (The Constitution is paper, but bayonets are steel)

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-30   17:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: richard9151 (#7)

The Solution. I think you will like it.

If it involves hanging some of the creeps, I will like it alot.

We need more rope! ;0)

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   17:32:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: richard9151 (#0)

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   17:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SmokinOPs, all (#8)

and the government, the attorney, and the credit exists in a legal world,

What is it that you do not understand about the statement above, which, I would like to add, is in the first part of this post. The problem is getting people´s attention, not my understanding. And the above is not any argument; it is a factualy recitation of the facts, and nothing more, and IT IS DESIGNED TO GET THE ATTENTION THAT IS NEEDED TO START SOLVING THE PROBLEM. I am very sorry if you are so angry that you do not understand that.

The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.

richard9151  posted on  2006-09-30   18:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AngelSpawn, all (#10)

Of course they are. It is really surprising to me when my wife and sister-in- law discuss things. People here in Mexico are MUCH more aware than people in the states. They knew, for example, that Hitler´s grandparents were Khazar- Jews. and they knew that the US was one of the worst, if not the worst, governments in the world.

In the post THE TALMUD EXPOSED I believe I discussed the Khazar-Jewish involvement behind Hitler before WWII, and cooperation with Hitler during WWII. And that does not include who supplied the money to bring him to power (Prescott Bush from New York from a Khazar-Jew bank). Does the name Bush ring any bells?

So why would they not train this generation of gestopo?

The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.

richard9151  posted on  2006-09-30   18:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: richard9151 (#11)

The Haitian French had an aphorism directed toward the likes of you: "Konstitusyon se papye, bayonht se feh" . (The Constitution is paper, but bayonets are steel)

"You can do anything with a bayonet, Sire, except sit on it." Talleyrand to Napoleon

Don't pay any attention to that clown.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   18:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: richard9151 (#12)

People here in Mexico

How did you end up there? Living the good life in Acapulco?

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   18:17:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: richard9151 (#12) (Edited)

For some reason, my previous post didn't go through. Only my sig was posted.

Second try:

Would it be fair to state that the Constitution was adopted in order for the Federalists to claim the authority of the District system of which you speak or am I off the mark?

"In reading the Messages and Papers of the Presidents, vol. I, 1789-1897, I discovered the following:

Gentlemen of the Senate: Pursuant to the powers vested in me by the act entitled "An act repealing after the last day of June next the duties heretofore laid upon distilled spirits imported from abroad and laying others in their stead, and also upon spirits distilled within the United States, and for appropriating the same," I have thought fit to divide the United States into the following districts, namely...

A bit of synchronicity here...

I found this piece of news the other day:


Duke of York Honors New Inductees to George Washington Spirits Society at Mount Vernon Celebration

9/27/2006 2:01:00 PM

To: National Desk

Contact: Frank Coleman or Lisa Hawkins, 202-682-8840, both of the Distilled Spirits Council

MOUNT VERNON, Va., Sept. 27 /U.S. Newswire/ -- His Royal Highness, The Duke of York bestowed medals and honored new inductees of the George Washington Spirits Society during an evening industry heritage celebration at Historic Mount Vernon, the Distilled Spirits Council announced.

The 2006 Inductees are: Paul S. Walsh, Chief Executive of Diageo, plc.; William Goldring, Chairman of the Republic Beverage Company; Marvin R. Shanken, Chairman of M. Shanken Communications, Inc.; and Sidney E. Frank, founder and former Chairman of Sidney Frank Importing Co., Inc. (posthumous award presented to his daughter, Cathy Halstead and nephew, John Frank).

"We are delighted to have His Royal Highness join us at George Washington's historic home to honor these four exemplary individuals," said Distilled Spirits Council President Peter Cressy. "The George Washington Spirits Society recognizes distinguished individuals who best exemplify the outstanding qualities exhibited by our nation's first President in his life, his business enterprises, and his service to his country."

The honorees were inducted into the George Washington Spirits Society, which was created in 2002, during a special reception and dinner at Mount Vernon hosted by the Distilled Spirits Council and the Wine and Spirits Wholesalers of America. Attended by more than 700 guests including legislators, industry leaders and the media, the evening raised more than $225,000 to support the educational programs of Historic Mount Vernon.

The highlight of the event was a special tasting and auction of commemorative bottles of both George Washington's Distillery Vatted American Whiskey – a blend of America's best-known Bourbons and whiskeys, vatted, aged and hand-bottled on the grounds of Mount Vernon; and, George Washington's Distillery Straight Rye Whiskey – made from George Washington's recipe for the first time since 1799.

Each honoree was inducted as "Guardian of His Spirit" and presented a medal created by the world-renowned Lenox designers. The medals, made through an antique process using burnished silver over pewter, featured an image of George Washington with the words "Heritage, Responsibility and Integrity" on one side and a replica of George Washington's copper pot still on the other side.

The inductees were selected by the Board of Trustees of the George Washington Spirits Society, which is made up of representatives of America's leading distillers and Historic Mount Vernon.

THE 2006 INDUCTEES INTO THE GEORGE WASHINGTON SPIRITS SOCIETY:

Paul Walsh, Chief Executive Officer of Diageo plc, has distinguished himself by his brilliant leadership of the beverage alcohol industry and his determined advocacy of corporate social responsibility. As head of the largest premium drinks corporation, Walsh has successfully advocated for worldwide social responsibility and moderation both within his company and throughout the beverage alcohol industry. In this capacity, he has worked closely with Prime Minister Tony Blair in the United Kingdom fighting underage drinking and drunk driving. In the United States, his corporate and industry leadership have had a significant impact on the spirits industry's successful efforts to achieve serious social responsibility goals.

William Goldring, Chairman of the Republic Beverage Company, has achieved outstanding success in his 40 year beverage alcohol industry career. Goldring worked his way up through the ranks, from the warehouse, to sales, to management, to President, and now chairman. His charitable efforts and service to society have been extraordinary. Recipient of many awards for his philanthropy and service, Goldring has been active in education as a member of the Tulane University Board of Administrators; in community health as a Director of the Touro Infirmary; in community business development as a Director of the World Trade Center and the New Orleans Business Council; and in societal issues as a Director of the Anti-Defamation League. He is a well-known patron of the arts and history and was a driving force in the establishment of the D-Day museum in New Orleans.

Marvin R. Shanken, Chairman, M. Shanken Communications, Inc., has distinguished himself by his remarkable innovation and leadership in the wine and spirits industry. Shanken founded and developed the premiere lifestyle and business publications for the wine and spirits industry, including the award-winning Wine Spectator and Impact. His publications are recognized worldwide and have been an essential element of the extraordinary growth in the wine and spirits industry. Shanken has established several foundations which have provided hundreds of student scholarships, raised millions of dollars to fight prostate cancer and has personally supported a range of cultural, educational and health causes.

Sidney Frank, (posthumous award) distinguished himself as an extraordinary and innovative leader and brand builder in the spirits industry and as a generous philanthropist. Founder and former Chairman of Sidney Frank Importing Co., Inc., Frank was best known as the creator of Grey Goose Vodka and importer of successful brands such as Jagermeister and Corazon Tequila. Active for years in various professional, cultural, and charitable organizations, he founded the Sydney Frank Foundation and was its first Chairman. A dedicated philanthropist, he made some of the largest educational gifts in American history including $120 million to Brown University for a scholarship fund. He also actively supported the American Heart Association, the Police and Firefighters' Widow and Orphan Fund, and many other organizations.

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DISCUS is the trade association representing producers and marketers of distilled spirits sold in the United States. Website: http://www.distilledspirits.org


The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   18:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BTP Holdings (#14)

How did you end up there?

I am from Montana, and after my first wife passed away, being tired of all of the continuous cold and snow, I decided to move to Florida; I had a couple of friends there. On the way, I stopped here to visit someone for a couple of weeks...... and never left. I rented a small house for $50/month, had enough money to last a while, met a woman who I married, and, what the hey.... got to be somewhere! The long and short of it? I never made it to Florida!

The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.

richard9151  posted on  2006-09-30   18:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: richard9151, Ferret Mike (#12)

So why would they not train this generation of gestopo?

It's rather difficult for some people to admit.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   18:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AngelSpawn, all (#15)

Would it be fair to state that the Constitution was adopted in order for the Federalists to claim the authority of the District system of which you speak or am I off the mark?

"In reading the Messages and Papers of the Presidents, vol. I, 1789-1897, I discovered the following:

Gentlemen of the Senate: Pursuant to the powers vested in me by the act entitled "An act repealing after the last day of June next the duties heretofore laid upon distilled spirits imported from abroad and laying others in their stead, and also upon spirits distilled within the United States, and for appropriating the same," I have thought fit to divide the United States into the following districts, namely...

A bit of synchronicity here...

I found this piece of news the other day:

Yes, it would be fair to state that. It was absolutely the reason for the constitution; you need to read the Post; Who Controls the United States, Part 2. I posted it so that it would be up before I started with this.

There was a lot of opinion within the states of that time that the entire affair of the Constitution, how it was written (in secret) and adopted, was illegal.

The one error in what you wrote was as to who was responsible; when you check out exactly who were the federalists, they were almost 100% Masons. Now, go back and check what I wrote about where the Constitution came from.

And the story is quite interesting; honoring who made the madness we have today possible.

The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.

richard9151  posted on  2006-09-30   18:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: richard9151 (#11)

What is it that you do not understand about the statement above, which, I would like to add, is in the first part of this post.

I understand your assertion completely. And it's BS. There is no "legal world". It's a mythical construct. A fiction. A veneer for rubes. The "legal world" that you purport to exist is just men with guns. The opinion of men with guns determines what is "legal".

And the above is not any argument..

It most certainly is. These "facts" are most certainly not universally accepted, nor are they even generally accepted. They are your interpretation of the means by which the US Government operates and came to operate. You put forth your assertions and evidence in order to elicit a response. That is an argument. One I reject.

You cite a court's opinion as further evidence of their methods. Well it's just that: an opinion. A 5-4 opinion to be exact. Are you saying that if this opinion became the dissent, and vice versa, that your construct is rebutted? That's the inductive reasoning that follows. If a piece of evidence is reversed, then the assertion lying on that evidence also takes up the converse.

it is a factualy recitation of the facts...

What facts? Citations of opinion and giant leaps of logic, which comprise the bulk of this piece are not "facts". This isn't a recitation of concrete facts, it's a hodge podge of interspersed abstractions.

IT IS DESIGNED TO GET THE ATTENTION THAT IS NEEDED TO START SOLVING THE PROBLEM.

You don't even know what the problem is. You think it's just a matter of regulations, constitutions, formalities, jurisdictions and legal fictions. The problem is in men's minds. Some men want to rule, some are willing to let them and those who don't get guns put in their faces. Everything else is a side issue.

I am very sorry if you are so angry...

I'm not angry. I just call bullshit when I see it.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-30   19:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: BTP Holdings (#13)

Don't pay any attention to that clown.

Still hiding behind the filter lightweight? "Oooh mommy, the man doesn't buy my conspiracy theories, waaah, waaaaah".

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-30   19:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: SmokinOPs (#8)

You are operating under the faulty premise that governments abide by or even care about their own rules.

You are operating under the faulty premise that revolutionaries simply want the government to abide by the rules.

The idea of "laws" and "constitutions" are just facades for psychological purposes. They are in effect propaganda meant to convince the masses that there are rules by which this force is imposed and limits to which it will be exercised.

All the better to expose the propaganda. The idea being to disabuse the masses of their fondness for this set of laws and this constitution, rather than laws and constitutions per se.

States don't exist. They are imaginary lines on maps. They only exist in your mind.

Any particular line we draw is in a sense arbitrary, like coordinate systems. A principal component is derived from other things, and in that narrow sense is imaginary. But statisticians still use principal components analysis because it is a useful thing, powerfully and efficiently encapsulating and summarizing knowledge.


There is more than one Institute. There is more than one Island. There is no outside world to which we can flee -- or if there is, it is just a bigger Institute, or a synthesis. The fact that all Institutes are prisons, and all Islands mostly lies, does nothing to reduce the danger of contamination.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-10-02   11:46:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: richard9151 (#0)

Blonde bump

Well done - good information for us. Thanks.

Lod  posted on  2006-10-03   16:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Tauzero (#21)

You are operating under the faulty premise that revolutionaries simply want the government to abide by the rules.

I wasn't refering to 'revolutionaries' in general in any sense. Just to the poster I was conversing with. He hasn't refuted it.

All the better to expose the propaganda. The idea being to disabuse the masses of their fondness for this set of laws and this constitution, rather than laws and constitutions per se.

A bit cynical in your tact aren't you? Almost Straussian in that you're hiding your true motives for a greater good. I prefer not to use cynical tactics. You lose your legitimacy if you're exposed. Just tell people straigh up what your goals are and why you've come to that conclusion.

Any particular line we draw is in a sense arbitrary, like coordinate systems. A principal component is derived from other things, and in that narrow sense is imaginary.

It's one thing to ascribe names to geographical areas for navigation, and quite another to anthropomorphize them and ascribe them traits like having will and a desire for justice.

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-10-03   17:39:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: SmokinOPs (#23)

It's one thing to claim individual rights. It's quite another to deny humans are social animals that form groups in a self-organizing way. State formation is simply one expression of this, IMO.


I don't feel quite right tdaoy. I feel like my expectations are being managed.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-10-03   18:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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