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Title: HELP: Can You Find Jeff Rense?
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Jeff Rense Radio Show
URL Source: http://www.Rense.com
Published: Sep 30, 2006
Author: Me
Post Date: 2006-09-30 17:23:15 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 2751
Comments: 198
I have tried repeatedly to find Jeff Rense's websites. The major site is http://www.Rense.com . The other is http://www.RenseRadio.com . Each time I try I am redirected to a page by my ISP which says this address was not found. Zionists have been threatening him, his advertisers, guests and columnists for years. I would like someone to try to connect using a different ISP to see if it is being blocked by my ISP which is earthlink. I would have switched providers but I have been moving a lot and don't want to sign a new service contract especially since I might be going overseas in January. This notice I am getting for both of his websites is different than the one that says it is temporarily not available. It is possible that he changed his Internet address and that it will take a few hours for DNS servers to learn his new one.
Poster Comment: Thanks in advance for your help.
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#4. To: Horse (#0)
Some of the Rense stuff was interesting, but he lost me on his Scientology, and his support for Ernst Zundel.
You don't have to agree with Zundel to see that what happened to him is wrong.
I don't have any sypathy for Zundel, or his neo-nazi buddies.
He is in prison for talking and writing about one subject. I don't agree with him about this subject, but it's just plain wrong to imprison someone for having a different idea about history. Were it any other holocaust he chose to question, he would not be in prison. Next month the Bush administration may begin to decide who is a "terrorist supporter". They've been complaining about the internet blogs.
If you support Zundel, it's no skin off my back. I'm not concerned about him, imho. It doesn't bother me that the man is in a jail. He is simply living out what he would practice on others if he had the power. How fitting.
I told you more than once I don't agree with his view of history. What I said is that imprisoning someone for thought crimes is wrong. And he never advocated violence. You really don't know much about his case. Here's Jewish David Irving's similar case: http://www.rense.com/general73/thoughtcrime.htm Do you think he advocates violence too? Neither does, they simply don't believe that 6 million Jews were put to death in Concentration Camps during WWII. Over 40 million european civilians died in WWII. No one gets arrested for denying that. And tens of millions of Russian Christians were put to death in Soviet gulags by Stalin. No one even studies that in school. There are no memorials or movies to them. YOU ARE FREE TO DENY THAT ALL YOU WANT! No one will arrest you. That is how it should be for all thoughts and views about history.
If you support Zundel, like I say, Hey, dude..ain't no skin off my back, jack.
If by supporting Zundel you mean I think what happened to him is wrong, then yes. And if you think what happened to him is okay, then just wait 'til next month or next year. He is in prison, like Irving, for THOUGHT CRIMES. Like Pastor Martin Niemöller wrote: Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, Als sie mich holten,
I don't believe that. I don't believe it because it isn't happening. If this were true, what you are implying, than wouldn't fairly large numbers of people be arrested all over the U.S. for things other than promoting nazi ideas?
Christopher Bollyn was beaten and arrested in his own front yard by three cops last month. It's happening. Wake up. wouldn't fairly large numbers of people be arrested all over the U.S. for things other than promoting nazi ideas? Sometimes the cops just shoot them. Michael Kreca comes to mind.
I'm going to take a very wild guess here and put out that these two are white supremacists.
Why do you keep bringing race into this discussion? Do you have some strange fascination with race? Do you also think we should lock people up for being Communists, Muslims, Christians, Jews or Buddhists?
Yes, why aren't they? Why are only nazis being arrested? It seems to me that people upset about Zundel's arrest aren't afraid about his arrest as a 'freedom of speech' problem, as much as they are afraid about being arrested themselves because they share his ideas. For example, BTP holdings believes I'm a 'traitor' to white people.
You're ignorant of the history of Liberty, aren't you? "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself." - Thomas Paine Translation, in case one needs it: You don't throw people in jail because you disagree with them as you might be next if someone disagrees with you. BTP holdings believes I'm a 'traitor' to white people. So what? He has the right to believe what he wishes and we all have the right to disagree with you, him, or whomever we wish. Governments DO NOT have the right to throw people in jail for thinking, speaking or writing.
It seems so simple, yet those who do not wish to understand never will. We call it ulterior motives where I'm from.
Governments DO NOT have the right to throw people in jail for thinking, speaking or writing. It seems so simple, yet those who do not wish to understand never will. We call it
I pose you this question: The national socialist workers party (nazi party) comes to power in Germany in 1933 and begins to murder mentally ill people, homosexuals, opponents to the regime, Jews, and eventually something like 12 million Jews and non-Jews (millions of Poles, Russian, Ukrainians, others) in concentration camps and work camps. The nazis are overthrown in 1945 after the Most Murderous War in All of Humanity. This nazi group re-emerges in another country. After the light of the fact that this group has caused extreme murder in civilization, would you want a trace of that in your country? No! This is why they are suppressed.
You would do well to study the origins of the NeoConservatives. Start with the Russian Revolution, the Bolsheviks, Stalin and postwar Europe. Then read PNAC, research the lobbying by AIPAC and look at our foreign policy. Get back to us after that. Stalin, btw, murdered far more than Hitler. So did Mao, for that matter. But who's counting.
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#5. To: peteatomic (#4)
#7. To: robin (#5)
#9. To: peteatomic (#7)
#14. To: robin (#9)
#16. To: peteatomic (#14)
#23. To: robin (#16)
#25. To: peteatomic (#23)
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.
#32. To: robin (#25)
#59. To: peteatomic (#32)
I don't believe that. I don't believe it because it isn't happening.
#63. To: AngelSpawn (#59)
#74. To: peteatomic, robin (#63)
I'm going to take a very wild guess here and put out that these two are white supremacists.
#83. To: AngelSpawn, BTP holdings, Robin, Zipporah, Horse (#74)
Do you also think we should lock people up for being Communists, Muslims, Christians, Jews or Buddhists?
#91. To: peteatomic, BTP holdings, Robin, Zipporah, Horse (#83)
It seems to me that people upset about Zundel's arrest aren't afraid about his arrest as a 'freedom of speech' problem...
#97. To: AngelSpawn (#91)
Governments DO NOT have the right to throw people in jail for thinking, speaking or writing.
#109. To: Dakmar (#97)
ulterior motives freaker-bots where I'm from.
#112. To: lodwick (#109)
Governments DO NOT have the right to throw people in jail for thinking, speaking or writing.
#116. To: peteatomic (#112)
#121. To: robin, peteatomic (#116)
Then read PNAC, research the lobbying by AIPAC and look at our foreign policy.
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