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Title: HELP: Can You Find Jeff Rense?
Source: Jeff Rense Radio Show
URL Source: http://www.Rense.com
Published: Sep 30, 2006
Author: Me
Post Date: 2006-09-30 17:23:15 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 2816
Comments: 198

I have tried repeatedly to find Jeff Rense's websites. The major site is http://www.Rense.com . The other is http://www.RenseRadio.com . Each time I try I am redirected to a page by my ISP which says this address was not found. Zionists have been threatening him, his advertisers, guests and columnists for years. I would like someone to try to connect using a different ISP to see if it is being blocked by my ISP which is earthlink. I would have switched providers but I have been moving a lot and don't want to sign a new service contract especially since I might be going overseas in January.

This notice I am getting for both of his websites is different than the one that says it is temporarily not available. It is possible that he changed his Internet address and that it will take a few hours for DNS servers to learn his new one.

Poster Comment:

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 23.

#4. To: Horse (#0)

Some of the Rense stuff was interesting, but he lost me on his Scientology, and his support for Ernst Zundel.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:06:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You don't have to agree with Zundel to see that what happened to him is wrong.

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:07:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't have any sypathy for Zundel, or his neo-nazi buddies.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:16:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He is in prison for talking and writing about one subject.

I don't agree with him about this subject, but it's just plain wrong to imprison someone for having a different idea about history.

Were it any other holocaust he chose to question, he would not be in prison.

Next month the Bush administration may begin to decide who is a "terrorist supporter". They've been complaining about the internet blogs.

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:21:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If you support Zundel, it's no skin off my back. I'm not concerned about him, imho. It doesn't bother me that the man is in a jail. He is simply living out what he would practice on others if he had the power. How fitting.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:32:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I told you more than once I don't agree with his view of history.

What I said is that imprisoning someone for thought crimes is wrong. And he never advocated violence. You really don't know much about his case.

Here's Jewish David Irving's similar case:

http://www.rense.com/general73/thoughtcrime.htm

Do you think he advocates violence too?

Neither does, they simply don't believe that 6 million Jews were put to death in Concentration Camps during WWII.

Over 40 million european civilians died in WWII.

No one gets arrested for denying that.

And tens of millions of Russian Christians were put to death in Soviet gulags by Stalin. No one even studies that in school. There are no memorials or movies to them.

YOU ARE FREE TO DENY THAT ALL YOU WANT! No one will arrest you.

That is how it should be for all thoughts and views about history.

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:39:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If you support Zundel, like I say, Hey, dude..ain't no skin off my back, jack.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:47:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#25. To: peteatomic (#23)

If by supporting Zundel you mean I think what happened to him is wrong, then yes.

And if you think what happened to him is okay, then just wait 'til next month or next year.

He is in prison, like Irving, for THOUGHT CRIMES.

Like Pastor Martin Niemöller wrote:

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

robin  posted on  2006-09-30 19:51:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This bit from wikipedia:

Ernst Zündel From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zündel leaving prison (1985)Ernst Christof Friedrich Zündel (sometimes spelled Zundel or Zuendel) (born April 24, 1939 in Bad Wildbad) is a German Holocaust denier and pamphleteer who was jailed several times for publishing hate literature. In 1977, Zündel founded a small press publishing house called Samisdat Publishers which issued such pamphlets as The Hitler We Loved and Why and Did Six Million Really Die?, both prominent documents of the Holocaust denial movement. On February 5, 2003, Ernst Zündel was detained by a U.S. local police and deported to Canada, where he was held two years in jail. He was then deported back to his native Germany and detained in Mannheim prison where he is awaiting the conclusion of his trial for Holocaust denial.

Background Zündel emigrated to Canada from West Germany in 1958, when he was 19, in order to avoid being conscripted by the German military. He married a French- Canadian, Janick Larouche, in 1960 with whom he had two sons, Pierre and Hans. During the 1960s he came under the tutelage of Canadian fascist Adrien Arcand.

In the mid-1960s while living in Montreal he was an organizer among immigrants for the Ralliement des créditistes. In 1968 he joined the Liberal Party of Canada and ran in that year's leadership convention using it as a platform to allege that Canadian society was replete with anti-German attitudes. He dropped out of the contest prior to voting, but not before delivering his campaign speech to the convention.

Professionally, Zündel worked as a graphic artist and printer, on several occasions he was commissioned to illustrate covers for Maclean's Magazine. His views on Nazism and Jews were not well known in the 1960s and 1970s and he initially published his opinions under the pseudonym Christof Friedrich.

As Christof Friedrich, he also authored several publications promoting the idea that UFOs are really secret weapons of Nazis who had fled to Neu-Schwabenland in Antarctica. The UFOs supposedly monitor the world and are part of a secret plan to re-conquer the world at an unspecified time. Whether he actually believed these notions, or if it was just a publicity stunt, cannot be ascertained. [1]

His first marriage ended in 1977 as his public notoriety grew.

[edit] Holocaust denial

Did Six Million Really Die? by Richard Harwood (also known as Richard Verrall), published by Ernst Zündel's Samisdat PublishersIn 1977, Zündel founded a small press publishing house called Samisdat Publishers which issued such pamphlets as The Hitler We Loved and Why and Did Six Million Really Die? by Richard Harwood also known as Richard Verrall (a neo-Nazi member of the British National Front), as well as works by Malcolm Ross.

By the early 1980s, Samisdat Publications had grown into a worldwide distributor of Nazi and neo-Nazi posters, audiotapes, and memorabilia, as well as pamphlets and books devoted to Holocaust denial and Allied and Zionist "war crimes", claiming a mailing list of 29,000 in the United States alone. Advertisements for Samisdat Publications were purchased in well-known reputable American magazines and even comic books. West Germany became another large market, in violation of their Volksverhetzung (incitement of the masses) laws preventing Holocaust denial and dissemination of Nazi and neo-Nazi material, going so far as to send mass mailings to every member of the West German Bundestag (parliament). In December 1980, the West German Federal Ministry of Finance told the Bundestag that between January 1978, and December 1979, "200 shipments of right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi content including books, periodicals, symbols, decorations, films, cassettes, and records" had been intercepted entering West Germany; these shipments "came overwhelmingly from Canada." On April 23, 1981, the West German government sent a letter to the Canadian Jewish Congress, confirming that the source of the material was Samisdat Publishers.

From 1981 to 1982 Zündel had his mailing privileges suspended by the Canadian government on the grounds that he had been using the mail to send hate propaganda, a criminal offence in Canada. Zündel then began shipping from a post office box in Niagara Falls, New York, until the ban on his mailing in Canada was lifted in January 1983.

[edit] Trials In 1983 Sabrina Citron, a Holocaust survivor and founder of the Canadian Holocaust Remembrance Association, filed a private criminal complaint against Zündel before the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. In 1984, the Ontario government joined the criminal proceedings against Zündel based on Citron's complaint. Zündel was charged under the Criminal Code, section 177, of spreading false news for publishing "Did Six Million Really Die?".

Zündel underwent two criminal trials in 1985 and 1988. The charge against Zündel alleged that he "did publish a statement or tale, namely, "Did Six Million Really Die?" that he knows is false and that is likely to cause mischief to the public interest in social and racial tolerance, contrary to the Criminal Code." Zündel was originally found guilty by two juries but was finally acquitted by the Supreme Court of Canada which held in 1992 that section 181 (formerly known as section 177) was a violation of the guarantees of freedom of expression under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The 1988 trial was notable for its reliance on testimony from individuals such as David Irving and Fred A. Leuchter, an expert in excecution technology. Leuchter's testimony as an expert witness was accepted by the court, but his accompanying Leuchter Report[2] was excluded, based on his lack of engineering credentials. In 1985, key expert testimony against Zündel's alleged Holocaust denial was provided at great lengths by Holocaust historian, Raul Hilberg. Hilberg refused to testify at Zundel's 1988 trial. Zündel was convicted in 1988 and sentenced to 15 months imprisonment by an Ontario court; however, in 1992 in R. v. Zündel his conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court of Canada when the law he had been charged under, reporting false news, was ruled unconstitutional [3].

In 1997, Zündel's marriage with his second wife, Irene Margarelli, collapsed after 18 months. "At one point I really loved him," she told an acquaintance. "By the end, I thought he was evil incarnate." She subsequently testifed against him in the late 1990s when he was under investigation by the Canadian Human Rights Commission for promoting hatred against Jews via his website. In January 2000, before the Commission had completed its hearings, he left Canada for Sevierville, Tennessee where he married his third wife, Ingrid Rimland and vowed never to return to Canada...

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30 23:35:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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