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Title: HELP: Can You Find Jeff Rense?
Source: Jeff Rense Radio Show
URL Source: http://www.Rense.com
Published: Sep 30, 2006
Author: Me
Post Date: 2006-09-30 17:23:15 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 2727
Comments: 198

I have tried repeatedly to find Jeff Rense's websites. The major site is http://www.Rense.com . The other is http://www.RenseRadio.com . Each time I try I am redirected to a page by my ISP which says this address was not found. Zionists have been threatening him, his advertisers, guests and columnists for years. I would like someone to try to connect using a different ISP to see if it is being blocked by my ISP which is earthlink. I would have switched providers but I have been moving a lot and don't want to sign a new service contract especially since I might be going overseas in January.

This notice I am getting for both of his websites is different than the one that says it is temporarily not available. It is possible that he changed his Internet address and that it will take a few hours for DNS servers to learn his new one.

Poster Comment:

Thanks in advance for your help.

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#4. To: Horse (#0)

Some of the Rense stuff was interesting, but he lost me on his Scientology, and his support for Ernst Zundel.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:06:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You don't have to agree with Zundel to see that what happened to him is wrong.

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:07:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't have any sypathy for Zundel, or his neo-nazi buddies.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:16:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He is in prison for talking and writing about one subject.

I don't agree with him about this subject, but it's just plain wrong to imprison someone for having a different idea about history.

Were it any other holocaust he chose to question, he would not be in prison.

Next month the Bush administration may begin to decide who is a "terrorist supporter". They've been complaining about the internet blogs.

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:21:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If you support Zundel, it's no skin off my back. I'm not concerned about him, imho. It doesn't bother me that the man is in a jail. He is simply living out what he would practice on others if he had the power. How fitting.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:32:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I told you more than once I don't agree with his view of history.

What I said is that imprisoning someone for thought crimes is wrong. And he never advocated violence. You really don't know much about his case.

Here's Jewish David Irving's similar case:

http://www.rense.com/general73/thoughtcrime.htm

Do you think he advocates violence too?

Neither does, they simply don't believe that 6 million Jews were put to death in Concentration Camps during WWII.

Over 40 million european civilians died in WWII.

No one gets arrested for denying that.

And tens of millions of Russian Christians were put to death in Soviet gulags by Stalin. No one even studies that in school. There are no memorials or movies to them.

YOU ARE FREE TO DENY THAT ALL YOU WANT! No one will arrest you.

That is how it should be for all thoughts and views about history.

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:39:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If you support Zundel, like I say, Hey, dude..ain't no skin off my back, jack.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:47:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If by supporting Zundel you mean I think what happened to him is wrong, then yes.

And if you think what happened to him is okay, then just wait 'til next month or next year.

He is in prison, like Irving, for THOUGHT CRIMES.

Like Pastor Martin Niemöller wrote:

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:51:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't believe that. I don't believe it because it isn't happening.

If this were true, what you are implying, than wouldn't fairly large numbers of people be arrested all over the U.S. for things other than promoting nazi ideas?

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:01:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't believe that. I don't believe it because it isn't happening.

Christopher Bollyn was beaten and arrested in his own front yard by three cops last month.

It's happening. Wake up.

wouldn't fairly large numbers of people be arrested all over the U.S. for things other than promoting nazi ideas?

Sometimes the cops just shoot them. Michael Kreca comes to mind.

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:00:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm going to take a very wild guess here and put out that these two are white supremacists.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:03:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm going to take a very wild guess here and put out that these two are white supremacists.

Why do you keep bringing race into this discussion? Do you have some strange fascination with race?

Do you also think we should lock people up for being Communists, Muslims, Christians, Jews or Buddhists?

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:14:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you also think we should lock people up for being Communists, Muslims, Christians, Jews or Buddhists?

Yes, why aren't they?

Why are only nazis being arrested?

It seems to me that people upset about Zundel's arrest aren't afraid about his arrest as a 'freedom of speech' problem, as much as they are afraid about being arrested themselves because they share his ideas.

For example, BTP holdings believes I'm a 'traitor' to white people.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:22:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It seems to me that people upset about Zundel's arrest aren't afraid about his arrest as a 'freedom of speech' problem...

You're ignorant of the history of Liberty, aren't you?

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself."

- Thomas Paine

Translation, in case one needs it: You don't throw people in jail because you disagree with them as you might be next if someone disagrees with you.

BTP holdings believes I'm a 'traitor' to white people.

So what? He has the right to believe what he wishes and we all have the right to disagree with you, him, or whomever we wish.

Governments DO NOT have the right to throw people in jail for thinking, speaking or writing.

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:31:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#93. To: AngelSpawn (#91)

So what? He has the right to believe what he wishes and we all have the right to disagree with you, him, or whomever we wish.

Good. I disagree with him. Furthermore, I'm not unconcerned he's in prison.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30 21:36:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are ignorant about the history of nazism.

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30 21:38:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Governments DO NOT have the right to throw people in jail for thinking, speaking or writing.

It seems so simple, yet those who do not wish to understand never will. We call it ulterior motives where I'm from.

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30 21:39:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Translation, in case one needs it: You don't throw people in jail because you disagree with them as you might be next if someone disagrees with you.

It seems Stalin practiced that very well. Anyone who happened to disagree with him, off to the gulag. And anyone who he happened to disagree with suffered the same fate.

Ingrid Rimland Zuendel told her story of how her father was deported to Siberia because as a German Mennonite in Ukraine, his Russian was not so good and at his age, his hearing was not so good. Her father was the principal at the school.

When the Commissar came to take over and announced in Russian, "I am the principal," the old man misunderstood as him asking 'Who is the prinicpal.' and with a smile replied, "I am." For this he was arrested for 'resisting the state' and sent to the gulag, a trip from which he never returned.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30 21:45:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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