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Title: HELP: Can You Find Jeff Rense?
Source: Jeff Rense Radio Show
URL Source: http://www.Rense.com
Published: Sep 30, 2006
Author: Me
Post Date: 2006-09-30 17:23:15 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 2714
Comments: 198

I have tried repeatedly to find Jeff Rense's websites. The major site is http://www.Rense.com . The other is http://www.RenseRadio.com . Each time I try I am redirected to a page by my ISP which says this address was not found. Zionists have been threatening him, his advertisers, guests and columnists for years. I would like someone to try to connect using a different ISP to see if it is being blocked by my ISP which is earthlink. I would have switched providers but I have been moving a lot and don't want to sign a new service contract especially since I might be going overseas in January.

This notice I am getting for both of his websites is different than the one that says it is temporarily not available. It is possible that he changed his Internet address and that it will take a few hours for DNS servers to learn his new one.


Poster Comment:

Thanks in advance for your help.

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

That's weird.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   17:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#0)

Maybe he had too many "inconvenient" articles posted on his website about GOP congressmen molesting little boys.

"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk."

orangedog  posted on  2006-09-30   17:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Horse (#0)

Obviously his server is down. May be nothing more than maintenance, software crash or a hardware malfunction. I doubt it is anything to be too concerned about.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-09-30   17:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Horse (#0)

Some of the Rense stuff was interesting, but he lost me on his Scientology, and his support for Ernst Zundel.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:06:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: peteatomic (#4)

You don't have to agree with Zundel to see that what happened to him is wrong.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Horse (#0)

I am trying to call Jeff but I just get his answering machine.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-09-30   19:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#5)

I don't have any sypathy for Zundel, or his neo-nazi buddies.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: peteatomic (#7)

I don't have any sypathy for Zundel, or his neo-nazi buddies.

That makes you a Zionist sympathizer. And the name calling is symptomatic of your cognitive dissonance. I guess you just can't handle the real truth.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   19:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: peteatomic (#7)

He is in prison for talking and writing about one subject.

I don't agree with him about this subject, but it's just plain wrong to imprison someone for having a different idea about history.

Were it any other holocaust he chose to question, he would not be in prison.

Next month the Bush administration may begin to decide who is a "terrorist supporter". They've been complaining about the internet blogs.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BTP Holdings (#8) (Edited)

Zundel is a neo-nazi. There isn't anything mistaken with calling him that, because it's true.

Why are you so concerned about Zundel?

Are you a nazi? If you are, then just say it. It doesn't bother me, personally. If you are a nazi, then you should be proud to exclaim it to the world, right?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: peteatomic (#10)

Why are people concerned ? it has nothing or little to do with his political beliefs.. that issue is moot for me.. it has to do with rights.. and how and what happened to him.. for it could happen to any of us..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-09-30   19:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: peteatomic (#10)

But they did much more to him than call him names. He is in prison for his view of history.

There is a lot wrong with that.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Horse (#0)

Hoss - you need a new ISP - even dopey ATT linked me through asap.

Good luck with it.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-30   19:31:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#9)

If you support Zundel, it's no skin off my back. I'm not concerned about him, imho. It doesn't bother me that the man is in a jail. He is simply living out what he would practice on others if he had the power. How fitting.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lodwick (#13)

Yep...got to Rense with NO problem...

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-09-30   19:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: peteatomic (#14)

I told you more than once I don't agree with his view of history.

What I said is that imprisoning someone for thought crimes is wrong. And he never advocated violence. You really don't know much about his case.

Here's Jewish David Irving's similar case:

http://www.rense.com/general73/thoughtcrime.htm

Do you think he advocates violence too?

Neither does, they simply don't believe that 6 million Jews were put to death in Concentration Camps during WWII.

Over 40 million european civilians died in WWII.

No one gets arrested for denying that.

And tens of millions of Russian Christians were put to death in Soviet gulags by Stalin. No one even studies that in school. There are no memorials or movies to them.

YOU ARE FREE TO DENY THAT ALL YOU WANT! No one will arrest you.

That is how it should be for all thoughts and views about history.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: who knows what evil, lodwick, Horse (#15)

Yes, it's up now. But it was down for a bit.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Zipporah (#11)

I guess it depends if I'm concerned about how a nazi is treated, and whether he should have the power to talk about his nazism.

In Canada & Germany they have laws to suppress anti-nazi laws to suppress nazis. This doesn't bother me.

The only problem I have with Zundel's sentence, is that he shouldn't serve longer time than (for example) a rapist or murderer. He should be released, and then probably, he'd be imprisoned again soon in the future.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: peteatomic, robin, AngelSpawn, Eoghan, wbales, Zipporah (#10) (Edited)

Zundel is a neo-nazi. There isn't anything mistaken with calling him that, because it's true.

Prove it! Post something substantive which proves it.

And the moment you post something from a Zionist propaganda site, you will have outed yourself.

Robin and Zipporah answered that quite succinctly already.

You are living in LaLa Land to say something so absurd as that to me. The only ideology which means anything is the ideology of liberty.

So, if you think you are free, or any of us for that matter, then you need a reality check. We are only free if we live as free men.

Zuendel has been persecuted for doing exactly that. If you agree with that, then you disagree with liberty and freedom.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   19:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: peteatomic (#14)

I'm not concerned about him, imho. It doesn't bother me that the man is in a jail. He is simply living out what he would practice on others if he had the power. How fitting.

I hope that you're just being goofy here, Pete.

Otherwise, look for the thought police to round you up for some "unapproved" ideas that you may have.

When we can no longer think, question, and voice our opinions - we are screwed.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-30   19:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: peteatomic (#18)

Well Im concerned about everyone's rights.. even those who I dont agree with.. and it has nothing to do with his imprisonment in Germany but rather what happened to him in the US that matters to me..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-09-30   19:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: peteatomic (#14)

He is simply living out what he would practice on others if he had the power.

That really is an assinine statement considering that Zuendel is a confirmed pacifist.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   19:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: robin (#16)

If you support Zundel, like I say, Hey, dude..ain't no skin off my back, jack.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Zipporah (#21)

I believe he was deported to Canada for visa problems. I don't know if he was arrested in the U.S. for his nazism.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:48:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: peteatomic (#23)

If by supporting Zundel you mean I think what happened to him is wrong, then yes.

And if you think what happened to him is okay, then just wait 'til next month or next year.

He is in prison, like Irving, for THOUGHT CRIMES.

Like Pastor Martin Niemöller wrote:

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   19:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Horse (#0)

HELP: Can You Find Jeff Rense?

Cool, can I play? Is this game anything like "Where is Waldo?" /bad joke

How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts! O! 'tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments. Benjamin Franklin

Fibr Dog  posted on  2006-09-30   19:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: peteatomic (#24)

well not thats not exactly what happened to him..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-09-30   19:52:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: peteatomic (#24)

I don't know if he was arrested in the U.S. for his nazism.

There you go with that label again. As I said, post something substantive which proves it, something from his writings, anything which he said. You can't because there is no such proof.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   19:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: BTP Holdings (#19)

Are we talking about he same guy?

In the January 1977 White Power report, Zundel wrote:

"Wherever we look, we White people find ourselves besieged by peoples of other races who compete aggressively against us for jobs, food, housing, education and above all -- power! The Jews are particularly adept at seizing or insinuating themselves into strategic positions in our society where they wield power far beyond the extent of their numbers....Through us, the White majority of Europe and America, the Jewish minority have obtained their advantages, including their Israel, their Federal Reserve, their World Bank and their International Monetary Fund. In exchange for these advantages, the Jews give us -- their White hosts -- wars, depressions, inflation, unemployment, energy shortages, higher and higher taxes and air piracy. Like sheep, they expect us to go down the road with them -- all the way to the kosher slaughterhouse. We White people of America have done nothing so far which would frustrate the Jews' expectations or their ambitions of becoming the world's slavemasters."

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   19:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Horse (#0)

his sites work through my isp, also.
there are some utilities here that you can check site status with, like ping, traceroute and analyzepath, or just do the whole dossier to see if the domain name has expired, etc.

hammerdown  posted on  2006-09-30   19:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: peteatomic (#29) (Edited)

Are we talking about he same guy?

You are anti-white? Figures, traitor.

As for that post from the white power site, it has been said before.

The Fable of the Ducks and the Hens

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   19:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: robin (#25)

I don't believe that. I don't believe it because it isn't happening.

If this were true, what you are implying, than wouldn't fairly large numbers of people be arrested all over the U.S. for things other than promoting nazi ideas?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: BTP Holdings, Zipporah, Robin, Horse (#31) (Edited)

BTP Holdings says: "You are anti-white? Figures, traitor."

Enough said.

Sorry, I'm not bothered by the man in prison. If he spends time longer than a rapist, than let him out. He'd go on probably with his racist screed, and be put right back in a cell.

BTW, the Irish have always been considered 'niggers turned inside out' :)

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: peteatomic (#32)

I don't believe that. I don't believe it because it isn't happening.

If this were true, what you are implying, than wouldn't fairly large numbers of people be arrested all over the U.S. for things other than promoting nazi ideas?

They are, but in your narrow mindedness, you fail to see it.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   20:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: BTP Holdings (#34)

Who?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: peteatomic (#32)

Not yet, and not for "Nazi ideas".

In many countries in europe it is against the law to deny the Jewish Holocaust. And there are a few people being arrested for denying the Jewish Holocaust. David Irving and Ernst Zundel or two such.

But, the new terrorist bill just passed by Congress includes verbage about "terrorist supporters". And this WH has referred to those who disagree with the war in Iraq as helping the terrorists.

For how much longer will we be allowed to disagree with this regime?

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   20:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: peteatomic (#33)

Sorry, I'm not bothered by the man in prison. If he spends time longer than a rapist, than let him out. He'd go on probably with his racist screed, and be put right back in a cell.

BTW, the Irish have always been considered 'niggers turned inside out' :)

Nothing new about Irish, and it originated with the British.

It is not surprising that you use the race card in this instance. It tells alot about your basic intellect, or lack thereof.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   20:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: peteatomic (#35)

Who?

All sorts of people who have run afoul of the system and are no criminals at all. The fact you must ask shows you are racing forward with eyes wide shut.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   20:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: peteatomic (#32)

than wouldn't fairly large numbers of people be arrested all over the U.S. for things other than promoting nazi ideas?

There are. Last I checked there were over 2 million people in US prisons. If they ever did pass another Sedition Act, on what principle could you oppose it?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2006-09-30   20:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: BTP Holdings (#37)

?

But I'm a 'traitor' to the white race.

For the British, don't you believe that they are originated from one of the lost tribes of Israel, aren't they?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:12:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: SmokinOPs (#39)

:) Yep, you're right. What about all the people on marijuana charges? :)

I was trying to find out who was held on their nazi beliefs in the U.S...or those held on any speech in the U.S.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: peteatomic (#40) (Edited)

For the British, don't you believe that they are originated from one of the lost tribes of Israel, aren't they?

Baiting? Shame, shame.

Maybe you should take you assclown tactics somewhere else.

BTW, you seem to be such a hot shot know-it-all about Nazism. Here is something which you have no idea about because it is outside the limits of your perceptive abilities.

http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/usanazis/chapter5.html

And remember one thing, fascism has the ability to mould itself to its host nation. And that is another thing you fail to realize.

Why don't you tell us now about what great Leader we have in Bush43. It would be right up your alley. ;0)

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   20:23:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: robin (#36)

Sure. I understand the worry about our freedoms in the U.S. However, putting anti-Bush people with nazis is very odd. Don't they have different agendas?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: peteatomic (#43)

putting anti-Bush people with nazis is very odd. Don't they have different agendas?

No one in Pastor Martin Niemöller's poem had the same agenda, but they were all arrested.

Communists and Fascists have a lot in common, they meet at the top of the political spectrum.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   20:27:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: robin (#44)

Communists and Fascists have a lot in common, they meet at the top of the political spectrum.

That is correct. All of them are simply factions of the same order.

Only The American Ideal of 1776 has the ability to counter it all.

And that is why we need to get back to our culture and our true historical roots.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   20:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: BTP Holdings (#42)

Actually, I digress knowledge of nazism to your grace. You seem to be more than able to put nazism into practical verbal use than myself.

When did nazis become so befouled of their own heritage? Or do you want to change the subject quickly, before anyone else reads the odd posts that your grace has posted (?)

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:34:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: robin (#44)

OK. And ?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: peteatomic (#14)

It doesn't bother me that the man is in a jail.

We shall round up all the enemies of the Revolution, Comrade, but the gulags will need guards with nerves of steel. Are you man enough to be a guard in the gulags that you so rightly call for? We also need to arrest and execute anyone that denies the urgency of Revolution.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   20:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: peteatomic (#47)

And so, understanding that what has happened to Zundel and Irving should help you see what the NeoCommies have in mind for anyone who doesn't comply with and believe in their wars and their plans for America.

The NeoConservatives who run the Bush/Cheney Cabal began with Irving Kristol as Straussian-Trotskyites.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   20:39:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: robin, peteatomic (#49)

Throwing people in prison for holding differing political opinions is what the Nazis did. That makes pete more Nazi than he claims Zundel is. Zundel's never called for jail for his opponents.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   20:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: AngelSpawn, peteatomic (#48) (Edited)

Give Kapos R US! a call, 24/7.

What did Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn call the guards at the gulag I wonder.

Does anyone know if his latest book is available in English yet?


Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn being searched at a checkpoint in a gulag, c.1950

It starts with a checkpoint here, a roadblock there.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   20:43:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: AngelSpawn, Robin (#50)

Actually, he called for potential pogroms against Jews in the U.S. and Canada if 'anti-hate' campaigns continued.

How is that possible?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: robin (#51)

When will those checkpoints begin?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   20:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: robin (#51)

Your support for the anti-revolutionary activities of Solzhenitsyn and Zundel is duly noted, Comrade robin. Please report to the Scoop Jackson Reeducation Center for a voluntary intake assessment. Bring a toothbrush and a first-aid kit.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   20:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: peteatomic (#52)

Actually, he called for potential pogroms against Jews in the U.S. and Canada if 'anti-hate' campaigns continued.

Where did he do this? Provide a link please.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   20:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: peteatomic (#52)

Actually, he called for potential pogroms against Jews in the U.S. and Canada if 'anti-hate' campaigns continued.

I don't think so. There's nothing about that in what you posted, nor in anything I've read about him. But I don't claim to have read everything he ever wrote.

Also, it's not like he was ever in a position to act on such a proposal (and I doubt he ever made such a statement). Unlike the NeoCommies who are poised to do exactly that. FEMA camps are ready and waiting. The torture bill has passed.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   20:53:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: AngelSpawn (#54)

Bring a toothbrush and a first-aid kit.

Wow! A first-aid kit too; thanks!

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   20:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: peteatomic (#53)

You tell me.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   20:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: peteatomic (#32)

I don't believe that. I don't believe it because it isn't happening.

Christopher Bollyn was beaten and arrested in his own front yard by three cops last month.

It's happening. Wake up.

wouldn't fairly large numbers of people be arrested all over the U.S. for things other than promoting nazi ideas?

Sometimes the cops just shoot them. Michael Kreca comes to mind.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: robin (#58)

Next Friday afternoon after happy hour.

:)

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:00:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: robin (#57)

A first-aid kit too; thanks!

The Revolution can not be expected to provide bandages for the reeducation of the proles, assuming they survive it.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: robin, peteatomic (#9)

He is in prison for talking and writing about one subject.

I think it's a crime to throw people in jail for studying history, trying to determine what happened in any given time and place. If he's the man who is the historian who got thrown in jail for trying to study the events of the holocaust, that is so wrong. People don't get thrown in jail for studying the Civil War for instance. Makes no sense to me.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30   21:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: AngelSpawn (#59)

I'm going to take a very wild guess here and put out that these two are white supremacists.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:03:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: peteatomic (#60)

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   21:03:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Diana (#62)

Zundel is a historian as Einstein was a plumber.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: robin, AngelSpawn (#54) (Edited)

Please report to the Scoop Jackson Reeducation Center for a voluntary intake assessment.

Please note that the Scoop Jackson Reeducation Center has been renamed as The Glorious Lord-Commander Dubya Bush Freedom Camp.

Intake is no longer voluntary. You have 24 hours to report.

P.S. Don't bother with the toothbrush.

Salsa shark. We're gonna need a bigger boat. Man goes into cage,
cage goes into salsa, shark's in the salsa. Our shark! - Dakmar Quint

Esso  posted on  2006-09-30   21:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: robin (#64)

It's an interesting picture, but I still don't know who is out to 'get you'. For what?

Why is the government out to get you?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: peteatomic (#65)

Zundel is a historian as Einstein was a plumber.

Einstein the thief

"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-09-30   21:09:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: peteatomic (#46)

Or do you want to change the subject quickly, before anyone else reads the odd posts that your grace has posted (?)

Not at all. Perhaps someone will learn something from it, since it seems you have not. ;0)

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   21:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: peteatomic (#65)

So are you saying it's all well and good that Zundel is in prison for having a politically incorrect opinion? Or even that he's in prison for possibly telling outrageous lies that in no way can be construed as an attempt to defraud anyone out of anything?

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   21:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: BTP Holdings (#69)

The people learning are those reading the extension of your ideas, BTP. It's that simple.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Dakmar (#70)

What is a nazi?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: YertleTurtle (#68)

Please post passages from that opinion, if you could.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: peteatomic, robin (#63)

I'm going to take a very wild guess here and put out that these two are white supremacists.

Why do you keep bringing race into this discussion? Do you have some strange fascination with race?

Do you also think we should lock people up for being Communists, Muslims, Christians, Jews or Buddhists?

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:14:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Esso (#66)

The Glorious Lord-Commander Dubya Bush Freedom Camp.

You forgot the Enduring part.

~~

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-30   21:14:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: peteatomic (#72)

A nazi is an asshole who believes it is appropriate to use force to make everyone conform to a political agenda. Do you think Zundel's books should be burned?

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   21:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Esso (#66)

The Glorious Lord-Commander Dubya Bush Freedom Camp.

I hear the kids get free french fries at delousing time.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: peteatomic, AngelSpawn (#63)

I'm going to take a very wild guess here and put out that these two are white supremacists.

The more you say the more you reveal of your true self. I got it right when I said you were an assclown infiltrator of this site.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   21:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: YertleTurtle (#68)

The Manufacture and Sale of Saint Einstein

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: peteatomic (#67)

And it broadens the definition of “unlawful enemy combatant” to include not only those who fight the United States but also those who have “purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States.” The latter group could include those accused of providing financial or other indirect support to terrorists, human rights groups say. The designation can be made by any “competent tribunal” created by the president or secretary of defense.

From the NY Times

"indirect support" could come to mean protesting the war in Iraq.

Greg Palast and Christopher Bollyn have already had gone one round with the govt.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   21:20:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: jessejane (#75)

You forgot the Enduring part.

No, Dumbya has had it with enduring freedom. He ain't putin' up with it no mo!

Salsa shark. We're gonna need a bigger boat. Man goes into cage,
cage goes into salsa, shark's in the salsa. Our shark! - Dakmar Quint

Esso  posted on  2006-09-30   21:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Dakmar (#76)

Do you think Zundel's books should be burned?

David Irving found one of his own books in the prison library in Austria. He autographed it, and the warden confiscated it, embarrassed, and then said, "We do not know how this book came to be in our library. It will be destroyed."

The true Nazis (ZioNazis) are really running things, little does that numbnuts know.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   21:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: AngelSpawn, BTP holdings, Robin, Zipporah, Horse (#74)

Do you also think we should lock people up for being Communists, Muslims, Christians, Jews or Buddhists?

Yes, why aren't they?

Why are only nazis being arrested?

It seems to me that people upset about Zundel's arrest aren't afraid about his arrest as a 'freedom of speech' problem, as much as they are afraid about being arrested themselves because they share his ideas.

For example, BTP holdings believes I'm a 'traitor' to white people.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: BTP Holdings (#82)

David Irving found one of his own books in the prison library in Austria. He autographed it, and the warden confiscated it, embarrassed, and then said, "We do not know how this book came to be in our library. It will be destroyed."

Oh my. One must ask why they are so afraid of the ideas in his book.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   21:22:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Esso (#81)

I see. I thought were spreading the 'mockracy all over the lands out there.. so the eeeeternal flame of liberty could shine like a diamond in a goats *ss. Woops..

Scratch this post.

~~

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-30   21:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: peteatomic (#71)

The people learning are those reading the extension of your ideas, BTP. It's that simple.

Is it really. You have no idea at all what my ideas truly are. You are the one who seems to be the simpleton here. ;0)

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   21:24:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: peteatomic (#83)

It seems to me that people upset about Zundel's arrest aren't afraid about his arrest as a 'freedom of speech' problem, as much as they are afraid about being arrested themselves because they share his ideas.

I have already told you more than once that I do not adhere to Zundel's ideas, but that I do firmly believe that what has happened to him and David Irving is very wrong.

I'll post this in English, I guess you are unfamiliar with Pastor Martin Niemöller's famous poem.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   21:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: BTP Holdings, Zipporah, Robin, Horse (#82) (Edited)

BTP holdings said: "The true Nazis (ZioNazis) are really running things, little does that numbnuts know."

How many of you believe this, honestly?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: peteatomic (#88)

The NeoConservatives who have the majority in the Bush/Cheney administration have their roots in Communism.

And as I mentioned, Communism and Fascism lead to the same loss of freedom and liberties.

See this diagram:

May I ask you if you believe the government's explanation for how the WTC buildings fell?

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   21:29:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: robin (#87)

So, if you're a nazi, you are telling me that 'they' are coming after me, next?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: peteatomic, BTP holdings, Robin, Zipporah, Horse (#83)

It seems to me that people upset about Zundel's arrest aren't afraid about his arrest as a 'freedom of speech' problem...

You're ignorant of the history of Liberty, aren't you?

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself."

- Thomas Paine

Translation, in case one needs it: You don't throw people in jail because you disagree with them as you might be next if someone disagrees with you.

BTP holdings believes I'm a 'traitor' to white people.

So what? He has the right to believe what he wishes and we all have the right to disagree with you, him, or whomever we wish.

Governments DO NOT have the right to throw people in jail for thinking, speaking or writing.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: peteatomic (#90)

So, if you're a nazi, you are telling me that 'they' are coming after me, next?

The Nazis were fascists. Fascism is not the only brutal form of govt.

What we do know is that the Bush/Cheney Cabal have found a way to take away many of our liberties. They have even managed to mess with the Magna Carta.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   21:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: AngelSpawn (#91)

So what? He has the right to believe what he wishes and we all have the right to disagree with you, him, or whomever we wish.

Good. I disagree with him. Furthermore, I'm not unconcerned he's in prison.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: peteatomic (#83)

For example, BTP holdings believes I'm a 'traitor' to white people.

Your posting history on this thread affirms this.

Why don't you trot out the troika of Einstein, Freud and Marx. Now that would really give your game away. You got one of them on the thread already.

The ghost of Ezra Pound

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   21:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: peteatomic (#90)

Why do you equate advocates of restricting the power of government with naziism? That is completely fucking insane. Crazies of any stripe are only truely a threat when their ideas are shared and acted out by The State.

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   21:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: AngelSpawn (#91)

You are ignorant about the history of nazism.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: AngelSpawn (#91)

Governments DO NOT have the right to throw people in jail for thinking, speaking or writing.

It seems so simple, yet those who do not wish to understand never will. We call it ulterior motives where I'm from.

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   21:39:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: peteatomic (#96)

You are ignorant about the history of nazism.

You are ignorant about the history of government. Would you prefer being thrown to a hungry lion in the coluseum?

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   21:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: peteatomic, christine (#93)

Furthermore, I'm not unconcerned he's in prison.

Is English your first language?

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Dakmar (#98)

I'm not sure the atomic part of pete is in use here. Perhaps we're dealing with internal gas seepage.

~~

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-30   21:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: AngelSpawn (#91)

Translation, in case one needs it: You don't throw people in jail because you disagree with them as you might be next if someone disagrees with you.

It seems Stalin practiced that very well. Anyone who happened to disagree with him, off to the gulag. And anyone who he happened to disagree with suffered the same fate.

Ingrid Rimland Zuendel told her story of how her father was deported to Siberia because as a German Mennonite in Ukraine, his Russian was not so good and at his age, his hearing was not so good. Her father was the principal at the school.

When the Commissar came to take over and announced in Russian, "I am the principal," the old man misunderstood as him asking 'Who is the prinicpal.' and with a smile replied, "I am." For this he was arrested for 'resisting the state' and sent to the gulag, a trip from which he never returned.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   21:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: BTP Holdings (#94)

Please continue your exposition. Like I said before, and you haven't understood quite yet The ideas you express are for those not yet versed with what you would like to tell them.

The words you use are your own poison.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: peteatomic (#96)

You are ignorant about the history of nazism.

How could I be? I grew up on the American media. On TV, the history of Nazism was more important than the history of America.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: AngelSpawn (#99) (Edited)

Aren't you posing that question to Dakmar? :)

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:47:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: AngelSpawn (#103)

Sadly, you're ignorant of both.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   21:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: peteatomic, Dakmar (#96)

You are ignorant about the history of nazism.

Laughable coming from someone who thinks Ernst Zuendel is a Nazi.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   21:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: BTP Holdings (#101)

But they will never make a movie about that incident or all the others like them.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   21:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: peteatomic (#105)

You're a pro-Fed troll, just like you were on LF.

Later.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   21:53:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Dakmar (#97)

Governments DO NOT have the right to throw people in jail for thinking, speaking or writing.

It seems so simple, yet those who do not wish to understand never will. We call it ulterior motives freaker-bots where I'm from.

Lod  posted on  2006-09-30   21:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: AngelSpawn (#108)

I suppose anybody who was going to question the legitimacy of your theories about various conspiracies are 'pro-fed' trolls.

C'mon, dude. You have to have a stronger skin than that.

Have you ever considered that history, or reality, for that matter, is a bit more grey than you want it in black and white?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: BTP Holdings (#106)

It's Zundel, not Zuendel.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: lodwick (#109)

Governments DO NOT have the right to throw people in jail for thinking, speaking or writing.

I pose you this question:

The national socialist workers party (nazi party) comes to power in Germany in 1933 and begins to murder mentally ill people, homosexuals, opponents to the regime, Jews, and eventually something like 12 million Jews and non-Jews (millions of Poles, Russian, Ukrainians, others) in concentration camps and work camps.

The nazis are overthrown in 1945 after the Most Murderous War in All of Humanity.

This nazi group re-emerges in another country.

After the light of the fact that this group has caused extreme murder in civilization, would you want a trace of that in your country?

No! This is why they are suppressed.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:14:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: peteatomic (#111)

It's Zuendel when you can't find an umlaut to make it Zündel.

But most English speaking don't bother.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umlaut

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   22:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: peteatomic (#112)

After the light of the fact that this group has caused extreme murder in civilization, would you want a trace of that in your country?

No! This is why they are suppressed.

You are a total fucking idiot. Many real nazis were recruited into the OSS / CIA for starters.

My question for you is why you do not seem as eager to round up communists, who were responsible for far more murder than the nazis.

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   22:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Horse (#0)

The Rense site is back up.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-09-30   22:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: peteatomic (#112)

You would do well to study the origins of the NeoConservatives. Start with the Russian Revolution, the Bolsheviks, Stalin and postwar Europe.

Then read PNAC, research the lobbying by AIPAC and look at our foreign policy.

Get back to us after that.

Stalin, btw, murdered far more than Hitler. So did Mao, for that matter. But who's counting.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   22:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: robin (#113)

I know what an umlaut is. It's nice to see someone very carefully taking care of Zundel's name.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: peteatomic (#117)

I know what an umlaut is. It's nice to see someone very carefully taking care of Zundel's name.

Smarmy, very smarmy.

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   22:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: peteatomic (#112)

This nazi group re-emerges in another country.

After the light of the fact that this group has caused extreme murder in civilization, would you want a trace of that in your country?

Uh - no.

Not at all.

Why would you even posit such a question?

Lod  posted on  2006-09-30   22:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: peteatomic (#110) (Edited)

Have you ever considered that history, or reality, for that matter, is a bit more grey than you want it in black and white?

Zundel is in jail for making that exact point.

Prove to me that six million Jews died in gas chambers and their bodies burned in ovens. When proving it, please use no Jewish or 'holocaust' sites.

Surely there's some type of evidence in the memoirs of Eisenhower or Churchill?

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   22:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: robin, peteatomic (#116)

Then read PNAC, research the lobbying by AIPAC and look at our foreign policy.

:)

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   22:25:22 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: peteatomic (#112)

After the light of the fact that this group has caused extreme murder in civilization, would you want a trace of that in your country?

Communists killed far more people than Nazis did. The Communist Party still operates in America without interference and Communists don't get deported for questioning capitalist history.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-09-30   22:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: robin, Christine, Zipporah, Aryan Nations (#116) (Edited)

What an emotional response for someone not supporting Zundel.

:) Oh my God...

Who is 'us' by the way?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: peteatomic (#102)

The words you use are your own poison.

Odd coming from someone who spews hate.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   22:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: peteatomic (#117)

If you know what an umlaut is then why did you post "It's Zundel, not Zuendel."?

Zuendel is as correct as Zündel.
Attention to detail is nice when possible. I studied German in school, and even though it's been awhile I like to recall it.

[Don't worry, my father dropped bombs all over Germany during WWII, from a B-24. In fact, he was a squadron leader. Not that he enjoyed it; he tried to be careful. But it wasn't that easy hitting exactly on target back then. And the Germans did not have the London tubes to hide in like the UK]

16 million American men put on uniforms in WWII to end that mess. In the end, Stalin was the real winner.

Did you know that there are 2 ex-KGB working as consultants to Admiral Poindexter in Homeland Security?

http://www.newswithviews.com/iserbyt/iserbyt7.htm

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   22:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: AngelSpawn (#122)

Oh, I see, let's change this subject to the evils of another totalitarianism.. let's not talk about nazism, let's talk about something else :)

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: peteatomic (#123)

What an emotional response for someone not supporting Zundel.

What's so emotional about it? A little exasperated, you seem to enjoy being ignorant.

By us, I mean this forum of course. The posters on this thread. Getting paranoid or something?

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   22:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: BTP Holdings (#124)

Hatred of nazis, yes...

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: peteatomic (#111)

It's Zundel, not Zuendel.

Zuendel is the correct German spelling.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   22:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: robin, peteatomic (#125)

If you know what an umlaut is then why did you post "It's Zundel, not Zuendel."?

bookmarked!

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   22:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: peteatomic (#123)

#123. To: robin, Christine, Zipporah, Aryan Nations (#116) (Edited)

What an emotional response for someone not supporting Zundel.

Hahaha, does spittle come flying off your fingers as you type this nonsense?

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   22:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: peteatomic, BTP Holdings (#10) (Edited)

To: BTP Holdings Zundel is a neo-nazi. There isn't anything mistaken with calling him that, because it's true.

Why are you so concerned about Zundel?

Are you a nazi?

No one in their right mind would be a self-proclaimed nazi, that is if they know anything about what life was like under Hitler.

We are so used to seeing old German newsreels on the History Channel of Hitler driving down a major thoroughfare with huge crowds of Germans just going nuts over the sight of him, cheering and screaming with delight and so on. However the truth was very different.

ALL citizens lived under a dictatorship so severe it controlled every aspect of everyone's life. All people no matter what age were required to join all sorts of Nazi groups or they'd get in very bad trouble. Bicycle thieves received the death penalty, all sorts of things led to the death penalty. They shot people, hung people, even chopped people's heads off and this is not even including what happened to the Jews and other people in the slave camps.

It was a period of great horror for everyone around Europe, and anyone who is at all knowledgable in this area would never indentify with nazis, unless they are sadistic sociopaths.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30   22:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: robin (#127)

What's so emotional about it? A little exasperated, you seem to enjoy being ignorant.

By us, I mean this forum of course. The posters on this thread. Getting paranoid or something?

I'm ignorant that you are all nazis, that's all I'm ignorant of. Thanks for educating me.

How many are FBI?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: peteatomic (#133)

I'm ignorant that you are all nazis, that's all I'm ignorant of. Thanks for educating me.

Most here are libertarians. I voted GOP since Nixon's 2nd term right up through 2000. Then after Abu Ghraib and 9/11 I voted for the Constitution Party in 2004.

And you?

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   22:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: robin (#134)

I'm thinking Likud.

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   22:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Dakmarr (#131)

Spittle comes from your mouth, you purple-helmet.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Dakmar (#135)

The foremost advocate of "system change" is Avigdor Liberman, the leader of the "Israel Our Home" party, composed mainly of immigrants from the former Soviet Union. This is a party of the radical Right--to use an understatement. In other countries, they might be called by another name.

"Israel Our Home" stands for unbridled nationalism and xenophobia. It is more radical than Joerg Haider in Austria and Jean-Marie Le-Pen in France. It calls for all Palestinians to leave the country, including the Arab citizens of Israel proper, who constitute 20% of the population. That does not prevent Ehud Olmert from declaring publicly that he would like to have this party in his government. (When Haider joined the Austrian government, Israel recalled its ambassador from Vienna.)

There's a new one, even worse, "Israel Our Home" party.

Political Corruption In Israel

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   22:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: robin (#134)

I'm a wellstone socialist-democrat.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Dakmar (#135)

I'm thinking Likud.

Me too! Do they come in grape flavor?

Salsa shark. We're gonna need a bigger boat. Man goes into cage,
cage goes into salsa, shark's in the salsa. Our shark! - Dakmar Quint

Esso  posted on  2006-09-30   22:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: peteatomic (#136)

Spittle comes from your mouth, you purple-helmet.

No, you!

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   22:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Esso (#139)

Likud-liks, like frozen cool aid on a stick?

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   22:53:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: peteatomic (#138)

I'm a wellstone socialist-democrat.

A decent man, his death was a loss to the Democratic party.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   22:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: robin, peteatomic (#16)

I told you more than once I don't agree with his view of history.

What I said is that imprisoning someone for thought crimes is wrong. And he never advocated violence. You really don't know much about his case.

I just looked up Zundel on wikipedia, and apparently he is German-born and wrote something called, "The Hitler We Loved". He sounds like a nut.

I would never agree with his beliefs, but I don't believe in putting people in jail for outrageous beliefs as long as they don't commit violence.

I looked him up because there are a few of these guys who are in jail for being holocaust deniers and I get them mixed up.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30   22:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: peteatomic, robin, AngelSpawn, Dakmar, Diana (#128)

Hatred of nazis, yes...

I strive to understand and see the historical significance of the time. Seeing this history as it really was is imperative to seeing what we have today. And the truth, the whole truth, is imperative to that. Hatred does not enter into the picture.

Now with the traitors, moles and assorted other self serving fascist types who populate our current government, that is a different story. They deserve the noose and nothing more.

Your lack of knowledge concerning our basis of law is simply stupendous. It is not a fascist or Nazi principle to control corporations, it is a principle of Roman law, fictions of law to be exact.

If you had read any of that post about Rockwell and American Nazism you would have seen that Rockwell wished to put the corporations under strict control, as they should be.

That is a POPULIST principle.

The fascists see the collaboration of corporations and government as an essential part of their philosophy, and that, strangely, is what we have now with the Bush Crime Family in charge, in spades! This has been on the march since Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex.

But, you continue to throw around words as if they mean nothing. That is typical bot mentality. And since your blind hatred of Nazis has colored your idea of everything else, it is no surprise that you suffer from the aforementioned cognitive dissonance on so many other matters of great importance.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   22:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: peteatomic (#138)

I'm a wellstone socialist-democrat.

Are you for or against the war in Iraq?

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-09-30   22:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: robin (#16)

Over 40 million european civilians died in WWII.

No one gets arrested for denying that.

The famous Jazzfan apparently said to mention that is antisemitic and grounds for being put in Gitmo, something like that.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30   22:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Diana (#132)

It was a period of great horror for everyone around Europe, and anyone who is at all knowledgable in this area would never indentify with nazis, unless they are sadistic sociopaths.

All of those NS people who parade around in brown shirts are merely a distraction and controlled by the opposition. They are there to keep these wierd ideas in everyone's mind, like we see from putrid pete.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   22:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Dakmar (#145)

I'm against the war in Iraq.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   22:59:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: BTP Holdings (#19)

As I was reading through this thread you pinged me to, I was initially puzzled that I could not see any of Peteatomics posts. Then I checked my bozo list. I don't remember when I bozoed him but it was obviously a prudent move.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-09-30   22:59:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: robin (#16)

When I was still on FR before being kicked off some time ago, I was on a thread about the holocaust, and I wrote that many, many people died in Europe during the reign of Hitler, and some poster Tic Toc told me I'd better watch it.

At the time I had no idea it was antisemitic to point out other people died in WWII also, like my great-grandparents who were slaughtered in East Prussia right after the war when the Soviets invaded and took over after raping and killing the citizens.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30   23:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: BTP Holdings (#144) (Edited)

Thanks for coming out of the closet.

That wasn't so hard, was it?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   23:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Diana (#150)

I guess I had already left FR before it reached that point. How disgustingly dishonest.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   23:02:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: robin (#16)

And tens of millions of Russian Christians were put to death in Soviet gulags by Stalin.

It's also been deemed antisemitic to mention that uncomfortable fact.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30   23:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: AngelSpawn (#122)

and Communists don't get deported for questioning capitalist history.

Could be they were in on the international banking scam from the start. Oh, I said a nasty. ;0)

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   23:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Diana, all, (#146)

The famous Jazzfan apparently said to mention that is antisemitic and grounds for being put in Gitmo, something like that.

Oh. Apparently Jazzfan has a proxy.

~~

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-30   23:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Diana (#153)

And not a single movie about it that I know of.

Do you know the translation to english status of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's latest book?

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-09-30   23:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: lodwick, Horse (#13)

Hoss - you need a new ISP

No he doesn't, Jeff's server was down. It's back up now.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-09-30   23:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: wbales (#149)

Your boyfriend better 'ping you' in case you don't miss anything.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   23:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: peteatomic, All (#18)

CHARACTERISTICS of the NARCISSIST

1 Self-centered. His needs are paramount.

2. No remorse for mistakes or misdeeds.

3 Unreliable, undependable.

4. Does not care about the consequences of his actions.

5. Projects his faults on to others. High blaming behavior; never his fault.

6. Little if any conscience.

7. Insensitive to needs and feelings of others.

8. Has a good front (persona) to impress and exploit others.

9.. Low stress tolerance. Easy to anger and rage.

10. People are to be manipulated for his needs.

11. Rationalizes easily. Twists conversation to his gain at other’s expense. If trapped, keeps talking, changes the subject or gets angry.

12. Pathological lying.

13. Tremendous need to control situations, conversations, others.

14. No real values. Mostly situational.

15. Very slow to forgive others, hangs on to resentments.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30   23:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: peteatomic (#151)

Thanks for coming out of the closet.

That wasn't so hard, was it?

Wishful thinking on your part. Don't put words in my mouth, asshole.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   23:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: Diana (#159)

I see. Well, attacking anti-nazis as narcissists is strange.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   23:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: peteatomic (#18)

The only problem I have with Zundel's sentence, is that he shouldn't serve longer time than (for example) a rapist or murderer.

So...... according to you, what other ideas and opinions that people may have should require their imprisonment??

Do you believe what you think on that issue is more important than the American tradition and right of free speech?

Should schizophrenics who believe Hitler was a great man and controlled UFOs go to prison too?

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30   23:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: BTP Holdings, all (#160)

The words out of your mouth are very illustrative.

I'm a traitor to whites, right?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   23:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: peteatomic (#163)

I'm a traitor to whites, right?

You said it, smegma breath. ;0)

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   23:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Diana (#162)

Should schizophrenics who believe Hitler was a great man and controlled UFOs go to prison too?

Ernst Zundel??

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   23:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: lodwick, peteatomic (#20)

look for the thought police to round you up for some "unapproved" ideas that you may have.

When we can no longer think, question, and voice our opinions - we are screwed.

Very good point, pete I hope you can understand this.

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30   23:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Diana (#166)

OK, so..when is this going to happen, Diana?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   23:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: BTP Holdings (#164)

Coward.

I'll send you a couple of dirty magazines so that you can beat off.

Don't worry. They won't be of black women.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-09-30   23:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: peteatomic, All (#23)

This bit from wikipedia:

Ernst Zündel From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zündel leaving prison (1985)Ernst Christof Friedrich Zündel (sometimes spelled Zundel or Zuendel) (born April 24, 1939 in Bad Wildbad) is a German Holocaust denier and pamphleteer who was jailed several times for publishing hate literature. In 1977, Zündel founded a small press publishing house called Samisdat Publishers which issued such pamphlets as The Hitler We Loved and Why and Did Six Million Really Die?, both prominent documents of the Holocaust denial movement. On February 5, 2003, Ernst Zündel was detained by a U.S. local police and deported to Canada, where he was held two years in jail. He was then deported back to his native Germany and detained in Mannheim prison where he is awaiting the conclusion of his trial for Holocaust denial.

Background Zündel emigrated to Canada from West Germany in 1958, when he was 19, in order to avoid being conscripted by the German military. He married a French- Canadian, Janick Larouche, in 1960 with whom he had two sons, Pierre and Hans. During the 1960s he came under the tutelage of Canadian fascist Adrien Arcand.

In the mid-1960s while living in Montreal he was an organizer among immigrants for the Ralliement des créditistes. In 1968 he joined the Liberal Party of Canada and ran in that year's leadership convention using it as a platform to allege that Canadian society was replete with anti-German attitudes. He dropped out of the contest prior to voting, but not before delivering his campaign speech to the convention.

Professionally, Zündel worked as a graphic artist and printer, on several occasions he was commissioned to illustrate covers for Maclean's Magazine. His views on Nazism and Jews were not well known in the 1960s and 1970s and he initially published his opinions under the pseudonym Christof Friedrich.

As Christof Friedrich, he also authored several publications promoting the idea that UFOs are really secret weapons of Nazis who had fled to Neu-Schwabenland in Antarctica. The UFOs supposedly monitor the world and are part of a secret plan to re-conquer the world at an unspecified time. Whether he actually believed these notions, or if it was just a publicity stunt, cannot be ascertained. [1]

His first marriage ended in 1977 as his public notoriety grew.

[edit] Holocaust denial

Did Six Million Really Die? by Richard Harwood (also known as Richard Verrall), published by Ernst Zündel's Samisdat PublishersIn 1977, Zündel founded a small press publishing house called Samisdat Publishers which issued such pamphlets as The Hitler We Loved and Why and Did Six Million Really Die? by Richard Harwood also known as Richard Verrall (a neo-Nazi member of the British National Front), as well as works by Malcolm Ross.

By the early 1980s, Samisdat Publications had grown into a worldwide distributor of Nazi and neo-Nazi posters, audiotapes, and memorabilia, as well as pamphlets and books devoted to Holocaust denial and Allied and Zionist "war crimes", claiming a mailing list of 29,000 in the United States alone. Advertisements for Samisdat Publications were purchased in well-known reputable American magazines and even comic books. West Germany became another large market, in violation of their Volksverhetzung (incitement of the masses) laws preventing Holocaust denial and dissemination of Nazi and neo-Nazi material, going so far as to send mass mailings to every member of the West German Bundestag (parliament). In December 1980, the West German Federal Ministry of Finance told the Bundestag that between January 1978, and December 1979, "200 shipments of right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi content including books, periodicals, symbols, decorations, films, cassettes, and records" had been intercepted entering West Germany; these shipments "came overwhelmingly from Canada." On April 23, 1981, the West German government sent a letter to the Canadian Jewish Congress, confirming that the source of the material was Samisdat Publishers.

From 1981 to 1982 Zündel had his mailing privileges suspended by the Canadian government on the grounds that he had been using the mail to send hate propaganda, a criminal offence in Canada. Zündel then began shipping from a post office box in Niagara Falls, New York, until the ban on his mailing in Canada was lifted in January 1983.

[edit] Trials In 1983 Sabrina Citron, a Holocaust survivor and founder of the Canadian Holocaust Remembrance Association, filed a private criminal complaint against Zündel before the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. In 1984, the Ontario government joined the criminal proceedings against Zündel based on Citron's complaint. Zündel was charged under the Criminal Code, section 177, of spreading false news for publishing "Did Six Million Really Die?".

Zündel underwent two criminal trials in 1985 and 1988. The charge against Zündel alleged that he "did publish a statement or tale, namely, "Did Six Million Really Die?" that he knows is false and that is likely to cause mischief to the public interest in social and racial tolerance, contrary to the Criminal Code." Zündel was originally found guilty by two juries but was finally acquitted by the Supreme Court of Canada which held in 1992 that section 181 (formerly known as section 177) was a violation of the guarantees of freedom of expression under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The 1988 trial was notable for its reliance on testimony from individuals such as David Irving and Fred A. Leuchter, an expert in excecution technology. Leuchter's testimony as an expert witness was accepted by the court, but his accompanying Leuchter Report[2] was excluded, based on his lack of engineering credentials. In 1985, key expert testimony against Zündel's alleged Holocaust denial was provided at great lengths by Holocaust historian, Raul Hilberg. Hilberg refused to testify at Zundel's 1988 trial. Zündel was convicted in 1988 and sentenced to 15 months imprisonment by an Ontario court; however, in 1992 in R. v. Zündel his conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court of Canada when the law he had been charged under, reporting false news, was ruled unconstitutional [3].

In 1997, Zündel's marriage with his second wife, Irene Margarelli, collapsed after 18 months. "At one point I really loved him," she told an acquaintance. "By the end, I thought he was evil incarnate." She subsequently testifed against him in the late 1990s when he was under investigation by the Canadian Human Rights Commission for promoting hatred against Jews via his website. In January 2000, before the Commission had completed its hearings, he left Canada for Sevierville, Tennessee where he married his third wife, Ingrid Rimland and vowed never to return to Canada...

Diana  posted on  2006-09-30   23:35:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: peteatomic (#112) (Edited)

and begins to murder mentally ill people, homosexuals, opponents to the regime, Jews,

Let's see now. How many of these do we have in this country right now?

Well, there is euthanasia for certain.

But, according to a certain poster in this 4um, the Nazis were all pedophiles and queers. And so, apparently, are our political leaders today from the looks of recent news stories.

So, that means the queers are running things.

And from the comments on FR and ElPee which the bots put up, if they had their way we would be right in line with having opponents to the regime, both here and in Israel, thrown in the gulag never to see the light of day again.

Oh, and we can't forget the Joooos, now can we?

Or, more specifically, the Zionists since not all of the Jews were in on the scam (just the elitists), who were the very worst of collaborators with the Nazi regime. So bad in fact, that they, even today, imitate the actions of their former partners in crime in Racist Marxist Israel.

But that only means they run things here by proxy of their many lobby groups and other unregistered foreign agents, AIPAC, JINSA, ADL, AEI, SPLC and many more too numerous to mention.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   23:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: peteatomic (#168)

I'll send you a couple of dirty magazines so that you can beat off.

Don't worry. They won't be of black women.

Awfully generous of you, old man, but don't waste your time sending any smut or porn in my direction.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   23:42:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: peteatomic, Diana, Dakmar (#167) (Edited)

OK, so..when is this going to happen, Diana?

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron (on ElPee)

I hope this provides your answer, or have you been paying attention to Dak's signature.

According to the bots on ElPee, the hate crime laws will soon be on the books.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   23:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: wbales (#149)

Then I checked my bozo list. I don't remember when I bozoed him but it was obviously a prudent move.

I've joined you in that action. And I've given the rat a good pasting.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-30   23:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: AngelSpawn, peteatomic (#50)

Throwing people in prison for holding differing political opinions is what the Nazis did.

They even threw people in jail if neighbors over-heard conversations by them that went against Hitler. Everyone lived in fear except the few, hardcore nazis who are the equivalent of the hardcore bushbots who are always calling for people they don't like to be thrown into Gitmo.

Diana  posted on  2006-10-01   0:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: robin (#156)

Do you know the translation to english status of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's latest book?

No, I don't. I only read about it recently, and that it was going to be translated into English at some point. I would like to read his Warning to the West.

Diana  posted on  2006-10-01   1:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: peteatomic (#167)

OK, so..when is this going to happen, Diana?

Since it already happened quite a few times in quite a few places during the 20th century, probably too soon.

Diana  posted on  2006-10-01   1:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: robin, diana (#156)

Do you know the translation to english status of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's latest book?

Two Hundred years Together?

I want to read it, but I do not believe it is available in English. Can't imagine why.

tom007  posted on  2006-10-01   1:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: peteatomic (#24)

I believe he was deported to Canada for visa problems.

We believe you're full of shit Pete. G-d, please tell us we're wrong.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-10-01   1:38:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: lodwick (#20)

When we can no longer think, question, and voice our opinions - we are screwed.

The five rules of socialism:

Don't think
If you think, don't speak
If you think and speak, don't write
If you think, speak, and write, don't sign
If you think, speak, write, and sign, don't be surprised


It is not possible for the maggots to come directly out of a tap. All domestic water meters are fitted with filters that are smaller than any maggot.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-10-01   1:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: Diana (#176)

Sigh...

Since 2001...I'll make it easy...

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-10-01   2:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: Eoghan (#178)

?

You're a committed nazi, Eoghan. You can't even admit it. C'mon! With an Irish name like Eoghan..and you can't fucking tell me you're a f*cking nazi...for f*cks sake...(and my cursing slippy on that one..yah..)

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-10-01   2:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: peteatomic (#181)

You're a committed nazi, Eoghan. You can't even admit it.

Take a pill Pete...admit your statements on Zundel are false. Prove me, anyone, wrong here.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-10-01   2:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: BTP Holdings (#170)

...and....?

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-10-01   2:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: peteatomic (#180)

I realize things have changed in this country since 2001, DUH!

Diana  posted on  2006-10-01   2:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: Eoghan (#182)

Prove who?

Eoghan, please mate, check it out. This Zundel dweeb is a fucking idiot, mate.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-10-01   2:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: peteatomic (#185)

Eoghan, please mate, check it out. This Zundel dweeb is a fucking idiot, mate.

Well, that settles that.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-10-01   2:37:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: Eoghan (#182)

There are much greater causes than this bullshit.

You ever been to Ireland, Eoghan?

There are things more important than this fucking silly crap these fools are feeding your mind, my friend.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-10-01   2:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: Eoghan (#186) (Edited)

Yeah, I suppose. That settles that, then :(

Remember that the Irish aren't aryans. We are the Tuatha De Danaan & Firbolg.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-10-01   2:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: peteatomic (#187)

There are things more important than this fucking silly crap these fools are feeding your mind, my friend.

I'm not your friend or mate. If this wasn't important than the Museums and cash payouts are just Jewish history expos. Simple entertainment for all.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-10-01   2:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: peteatomic (#126)

Oh, I see, let's change this subject to the evils of another totalitarianism..

You have yet to prove that six million Jews died in gas chambers and their bodies burned in ovens.

If you can't prove it, then it's merely a matter of faith.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-10-01   2:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: Eoghan (#189)

You're an antisemite that would take on an Irish name. Wow. You're a fucked up piece of shit.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-10-01   2:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: AngelSpawn, Loner (#190)

I will put you into Hell.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-10-01   2:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: peteatomic (#191)

You're an antisemite that would take on an Irish name.

Yep, how many "Semites" have already stolen Irish names?..With still plenty enough Irish doing shabbot goy duty on Telavivision.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-10-01   3:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: peteatomic (#123)

Well I dont appreciate whatsoever what you're implying in regard to robin.. #2 I dont appreciate your PING .. there was a reason I quit interacting with you on this thread on this topic.. sure seems it wasnt ME or robin that is emotional on this topic.. seems you are and you're quite enjoying pulling strings.. I told you my issue regarding Zundel or anyone else whose rights are violated .. who is next? You me all of us?? Just who is emotional here?? Seems you are cause you cant separate your emotion from the facts.. you wouldnt do well sitting in a jury.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-10-01   7:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: Eoghan, BTP Holdings, AngleSpawn, Zipporah, robin (#193)

Telavivision

Good one!! That is and has been THE Zionist tool to control braindead Americans.

Here's a great example of just how stupid some Americans are: Through thier proxy organizations (the ACLU, hollywood, Congress, ADL, etc.) and on one hand, the Zionists continually attack/discredit American Christian institutions while concurrently on the other hand and through a band of high profile useful goy puppets, Zionists have a LARGE segment of these goofballs worshipping Israel. I wouldn't be surprised to see these "Christians" soon renouncing Jesus in the name of Jesus.

Alice in Wonderland.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-10-01   9:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: peteatomic (#192)

I will put you into Hell.

You must be a JudeoNazi. You think you're God.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-10-01   13:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: Zipporah (#194)

Yeah, I suppose you're right. I got upset.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-10-08   21:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: peteatomic (#197)

Understandable we all do at times..

Omnia vincit amor et nos cedamus amori.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-10-08   21:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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