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Title: Mark Foley's brave 2003 stand against perverts
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Published: Jul 08, 2003
Author: AP Staff
Post Date: 2006-09-30 20:46:05 by AngelSpawn
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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/6253341.htm Posted on Tue, Jul. 08, 2003 Congressman, nudists exchange views Foley calls for background checks WEST PALM BEACH - (AP) -- U.S. Rep. Mark Foley asked organizers of a nudist summer camp for children to strengthen their background checks of employees Monday after meeting with leaders of nudist organizations that were defending the camp. A coalition of groups representing recreational nudists asked to meet with Foley, appealing to him to respect the privacy of the families that choose to send their children to the camp. Foley called attention to the camp last month when he asked Gov. Jeb Bush to investigate whether the summer program was illegal. Bush staff members responded that they found no indication of illegal activity, but they said they would check to see whether any complaints had been filed. The weeklong summer camp run by the American Association for Nude Recreation outside Tampa allows children ages 11 to 18 to get together for games and sports and discussions about their choice to stay in the buff. ''I want to make sure that they're properly regulated, properly secure and that they're not going to have kids come in contact with undesirables,'' said Foley, a West Palm Beach Republican who is running for U.S. Senate. Nudists who met with Foley said they wanted him to stop harassing the camp, now that state officials said it was legal. ''It's a fundamental freedom in this country to make such personal choices,'' Shirley Mason, executive director of BEACHES Foundation Institute, a group that supports clothing-free beaches, said in a statement. She accused Foley of criticizing the camp to gain publicity for his Senate run. Foley said his concern is for the children's safety.
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#1. To: AngelSpawn (#0)
Foley said his concern is for the children's that's better
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers "Here's how I want you to strengthen your background checks, bitch. I'll do it for you. I'll make sure that only personal friends who have passed my rigid, even turgid, tests will be allowed to make sure that pert young male buttocks bouncing all over the volleyball court, tanned, lithe and muscled, will not attract the wrong kind. I'll be there every day, even if I have to fly down to Florida six times a week, to enforce their safety. I will counsel them privately, and even give them jobs as pages in my office. Except for fatties. No fatties. I am interested in their health, their entire being. And if you cross me, bitch, I'll have your little camp closed down for good."
WTF...these people are unbelieveable.
I'm going to go out on limb and say that Shirley won't have to worry about Foley running for the senate.
"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk."
I wish I could laugh, but that's probably just how it went down.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Ellsburg is, unfortunately, right. The people who say both parties are the same are dead wrong. I'm more an anti-Republican than anything else, but I don't worry the Dems are going to lock my ass up. I spent two weeks in jail for having a non-functioning Thompson machine gun when I was a kid. Every freaking judge or magistrate or whatever I got to see (no lawyers allowed, these were all meetings late at night so no one would see me) was a Repuke. It still amazes me I voted for Ford...I really, truly despise these punks. And camps and a brutal draft are both on the table.
I do believe that at this point the GOP and the Bush/Cheney Cabal are more dangerous than the any liberal I can think of, including Hillary.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers This hypocrate has a llot of baggage to haunt him. If I were the camp owners, I'd seriously consider a lawsuit against Markie for the undue damage he did to their business.
Like his wife's divorce lawyers are going to leave anything for anyone else to take. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk."
2003 was also the year Foley sent the IM's that have been released.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
SO where were they all this time??
I'm not a Hillary fan, but I can't think of a thing she would do that endangers my liberties. You probably have noticed that the left has turned against her because she appears to just say what she thinks will help her. I used to think she had principles. She has no chance now, IMO. I think the Dem ticket will be some combination of Obama, Warner, Edwards, Gore and Feingold. My personal preference is Obama. I spent four days with him campaigning for senator in August of 2004, with Durbin along to get the crowd going. He is pretty cynical, and realizes what will be thrown at him, but when I talked to the people in the audience, about a third were Republicans looking for SOME way out of the mess they got themselves into. Obama, to me, is the third way...a fairly conservative democrat that will not be nuked by the left. I'm terrible at predictions, but I would watch him, despite people saying he's too inexperienced. Kennedy was about the same age, and was a virtual unknown. Obama is known nationwide, and he has no real negatives. He already owned up to trying crack and smoking a load of pot in college. The smear machine is not going to find much on him. He has been thinking about this since he graduated from college.
You can always get a judgment to hang over his head. That is worth something. This guy's really hurting too, Florida's Gay community loathes this self serving cretin. It's nice to see even a small part of the Bush GOP legacy in Florida unraveled in this fashion. Perhaps Bush has a grounds keeping job for him and he can help Bush on this lonely nights he's suffered without Jeff Gannon. I'm sure both of them are unscrupulous enough to work some business arraignment out.
I agree about Edwards. He has real charisma. Obama is too controversial, just his name won't make it. Gore still polls well, but I think maybe he's had enough.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers ...Barry Goldwater I hope this quote is accurate as I just lifted it off another web site.
Gore has delivered an extremely impressive series of speeches the past few years about Bushco's attempts to impose a tyranny on us, and, even though I was long extremely skeptical about his environmental views, events may have proved him right on that.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
Good question. I'm also wondering who released them now, and why.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
The question I have is what was the reason why the House leadership, who knew about this almost a year ago, left him in place. Maybe Foley has some more info that they really didn't want to chance that he would release if they told him to not seek re-election. The House leadership might be quasi-evil, but I can't see them as being stupid enough to let this kind of a risk go without being dealt with ahead of time.
"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk."
SO where were they all this time?? 2003? I missed that somehow. They said Hastert's known about Foley's proclivities for the past year. This is 2006.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Yep, it's accurate. He softened some later, but he never really changed. Like it took Nixon to open relations with China without being called soft on communism, it took Clinton to crack down on welfare scams without being called a racist. Goldwater, IMO, set the course for the honorable people in this country. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity hated the guy, called him a traitor. But he was consistent and non-partisan. He just believed in liberty and he would have been a great president. Certainly far better than LBJ. He came to our house in 64 for a fundraising cocktail party. He spent half the time with me, a 10 year old. He was a really terrific person.
I totally missed that. I thought it was new - not that I give a rip....
I've never had a question about his environmental views. I was just mad because he wouldn't fight and he let punks like Donna Brazile run his life. I was pretty enthusiastic about him, although I hate that thing about vps succeeding prezes. It just seems to much like you HAVE to vote for the guy just because. I remember Ike was asked why people should vote for Nixon and he said, give me a week and I might come up with something. I think Gore has been vindicated, and he knows better than to let image-makers run his life now. And he DID win the first time, then wimped out rather than fight to the death. I forgive him. He would be a great candidate now. And he would have a great "I told you so" message. A lot of Bush voters are now thinking they fell for a load of crap. They may not LOVE Gore, but I think they recognize they voted against him for the wrong reasons, just total crap said about him. One thing that cracked me up was all these people who said Bush would be a better guy to have a beer with. Since he claims he doesn't drink, and is a little pissy punk with the personality of a wolverine. Amazing what a bunch of sycophants in the press can do. I remember Timmy the Fat Boy doing an interview and asking who is your political idol. And Bush said Churchill. They knew Timmy the Fat Boy loves Churchill; Bush has no idea who he was, and anyone who idolizes Churchill has no idea about his entire career. I sorta like the guy, but he did a lot of BAD things in his life, but he was the right person at the right time during WWII. They got rid of him the instant the war ended. It drives me crazy that ignoramuses like Timmy the Fat Boy get to have national TV shows that are watched by millions. The guy is constantly wrong, constantly uninformed, and somehow he is considered a sage. The only person left on a major news outlet on TV that has any intelligence is Olbermann. The rest are pretty haircuts or Repuke whores. Or both.
It actually makes more sense to me now. In 2003, the logging mechanism of IMs was not as widely known. You can be sure Foley has been more careful in the past year or so.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers If they caught him for this, and he bailed sooooooo quickly, can you imagine what they have on him??
Here in Illinois, he is the most popular politician by a mile. Even Republicans like him. I am pretty sure he will be president someday; the only argument is when. I spent an hour interviewing him, and he is at times very cagy, but once he decides to answer, he goes all out. That's a pretty good strategy. Reporters need a story, but they realize a subject can't tell you everything. He gives just enough to give you a story, and no more. He knows what the GOP hit machine can do to him. He's perhaps the best politician in this country, and from spending that time with him, most of it off the record, I think he has a decency that most do not. The rumor here is that Durbin is retiring to run Obama's campaign, but that's just scuttlebutt at the moment.
It's like he stayed around just long enough to vote for torture and wiretaps. And yes, they must have a lot on him. What's bothering me now is that he hasn't been arrested yet.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers Most people his age have no idea what logging is. I saw an entire board explode because a few people there logged everything and used it to go behind people's back and bait them into saying horrible things. And these were pretty sophisticated people, with knowledge of computer and internet stuff. These people had IM chats while the main chat was going on, then pasted the entire IM chat. Lousy ethics, but very few people knew that private chats could be logged.
I read some time ago that some in the Bush admin never email. So, someone finally got 'round to telling the oldsters.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers She accused Foley of criticizing the camp to gain publicity for his Senate run.
safety availability.
#2. To: AngelSpawn (#0)
#3. To: AngelSpawn (#0)
''I want to make sure that they're properly regulated, properly secure and that they're not going to have kids come in contact with undesirables,''
#4. To: AngelSpawn (#0)
She accused Foley of criticizing the camp to gain publicity for his Senate run.
#5. To: Mekons4 (#2)
#6. To: robin (#5)
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."
#7. To: Mekons4 (#6)
#8. To: AngelSpawn (#0)
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#8)
If I were the camp owners, I'd seriously consider a lawsuit against Markie for the undue damage he did to their business.
#10. To: AngelSpawn (#0)
#11. To: aristeides (#10)
2003 was also the year Foley sent the IM's that have been released.
#12. To: robin (#7)
I do believe that at this point the GOP and the Bush/Cheney Cabal are more dangerous than the any liberal I can think of, including Hillary.
#13. To: orangedog (#9)
#14. To: Mekons4 (#12)
Edwards,
#15. To: Mekons4 (#12)
“I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is ``needed'' before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents "interests,'' I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can.”
#16. To: Mekons4 (#12)
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
SO where were they all this time??
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
#19. To: Jethro Tull, aristeides (#11)
2003 was also the year Foley sent the IM's that have been released.
#20. To: Fred Mertz (#15)
#21. To: robin, aristeides (#19)
#22. To: aristeides (#16)
Gore has delivered an extremely impressive series of speeches the past few years about Bushco's attempts to impose a tyranny on us, and, even though I was long extremely skeptical about his environmental views, events may have proved him right on that.
#23. To: Jethro Tull, aristeides (#21)
#24. To: robin (#23)
#25. To: robin (#14)
Obama is too controversial, just his name won't make it.
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
#27. To: robin (#23)
It actually makes more sense to me now. In 2003, the logging mechanism of IMs was not as widely known. You can be sure Foley has been more careful in the past year or so.
#28. To: Mekons4 (#27)
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