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Title: FBI Agent Posed as White Supremicist for 14 Years (Tied to OKC Bombing)
Source: Associated Press via APFN
URL Source: http://disc.server.com/discussion.c ... 49495;article=80973;title=APFN
Published: Jun 5, 1999
Author: Wendy Nakamura
Post Date: 2005-04-15 00:35:41 by OKCSubmariner
Keywords: Supremicist, Bombing), Agent
Views: 1101
Comments: 207

FBI Agent Penetrated Into The Heart of Darkness

WASHINGTON DC (AP) - For almost fourteen years, he lived in a world of hatred, bigotry, and violence.

He attended Klan rallies and meetings of buttoned-down intellectual racists in business suits in the most upmarket hotels. He met and hosted Holocaust deniers like German- Canadian Ernst Zundel and British author David Irving. He was there at cross-burnings and street marches, waving a picket sign or a Confederate battle flag and always shouting the loudest of any among his White supremacist cohorts. He drank beer with Skinhead gangs, swapped jokes with them about African-Americans, Hispanics, and Jews, and heard them plot hate crimes and racial assaults. He cruised the Internet, posting racist messages to computer bulletin boards and newsgroups, making contacts with neo-Nazis and nationalist extremists the world over. He infiltrated the inner councils of almost every top hate group in the United States and even in Europe. He even filed a libel suit against another White supremacist who claimed he was an FBI informant.

But he was.

Last month FBI Special Agent James R. Finchley, a decorated Vietnam veteran and "one of the best and bravest men ever to graduate out of Quantico" according to a former instructor at the world-famous FBI academy who knew him and trained him, came in from the cold at last, after successfully carrying out the longest-running deep-cover infiltration of any criminal or terrorist underworld in the history of American law enforcement.

Finchley's fourteen years in the White racist underground produced only a handful of actual prosecutions, but "that wasn't his primary mission," according to the former director of the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit at Quantico, Kenneth M. Lanning. "He was there to listen and learn, and the wealth of information he obtained for us is beyond price."

"It is not too much to say that we now know virtually everything there is to know about organized race hatred in this country. These guys [White supremacist activists and leaders] couldn't go to the can without us knowing about it," Lanning said.

FBI Director Louis Freeh was not available for comment, but U. S. Attorney General Janet Reno told a reporter, "We usually do not make any public statement on covert operations of this nature until all criminal cases associated with an investigation have been brought to a conclusion, but I will say that Special Agent Finchley displayed uncommon courage, resourcefulness, and initiative in a very complex and often dangerous situation."

Finchley's cover was so deep he is reported to have actually married one woman who was involved in a White supremacist group he wanted to penetrate. On that occasion he went to St. Petersburg, Russia to meet and bring to America a Russian woman who was to be the "mail order bride" of a nationally known White supremacist leader who was banned from entering the country because of his views.

Finchley was so taken with the woman that he persuaded her to marry him instead, allegedly in order to keep her out of the clutches of the racist leader. Soon afterwards he and his Russian wife amicably divorced and Agent Finchley arranged for her to get a green card and relocate to Florida.

Justice Department sources are close-mouthed about many of the details of Finchley's fourteen-year odyssey into the murky underworld of racism and hate. "There are still some loose ends to be tied up, and once this gets out there are going to be some very angry White supremacists out there," said a spokesman for the Department. The source refused to say whether Agent Finchley had been moved into the Witness Protection Program or what measures were being taken to prevent retaliation by Finchley's former comrades in the racist movement.

Possibly the most bizarre event of Finchley's long- running undercover operation was when he was accused of having been involved in the Oklahoma City bombing as "John Doe Number Two" by the editor of a racist newsletter who had long suspected Finchley of being a Federal agent. Finchley took an absolutely unprecedented step: he sued the editor for libel and obtained a 110,000 default judgment when the defendant didn't show up in court to try the case.

"I don't know if he's been successful in collecting any of the money the judge awarded him," said Lanning.

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#99. To: Continental Op (#97)

Ordinary?? Define an 'ordinary' forum. But it was a political forum from what I recall..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-15   20:20:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Zipporah (#94)

... so what you are saying has no credibility whatsoever.

Uh huh, perhaps you're right.

The gov't. agents may be so bored (having the mainstream media basically on statist auto-pilot) that they delve into political forums to keep them entertained.

Other than FR & its liberal sibling (can't remember the name at the moment) I'd say there aren't enough numbers of participants on the average forum to even warrant such activity, then again with the gov't. basically controlling the pipes for the Net, they could be using word recognition software...what a collosal waste of time that would be! LOL

TaZ  posted on  2005-04-15   20:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Zipporah (#99)

offhand I'd say it was probably private and exclusive.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-15   20:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: TaZ (#100)

The gov't. agents may be so bored (having the mainstream media basically on statist auto-pilot) that they delve into political forums to keep them entertained.

Good one.

tom007  posted on  2005-04-15   20:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: TaZ (#100)

The gov't. agents may be so bored (having the mainstream media basically on statist auto-pilot) that they delve into political forums to keep them entertained.

most of 'em will come right out and tell you they're with the FBI, BATF ect... They're just honestly interested in discussion and learning, in most cases.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-15   20:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Continental Op (#97)

"He cruised the Internet, posting racist messages to computer bulletin boards and newsgroups, making contacts with neo-Nazis and nationalist extremists the world over."

..he wasn't "monitering" boards.

Depends on what you meant by monitering.. if you are naive enough to think that doesnt happen.. then you are quite naive. This should certainly not be a new revelation.. there are groups that do exactly that.. moniter computer forums.. There are 'screen names' that are used by more than one person.. as I said this shouldn't be some revelation.. it's been proven on other forums.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-15   20:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Red Jones (#92)

What I wrote about John Trochtman is absolutely correct and factual based on my first hand knowledge despite Taz's protestations (it is possible Taz has been decieved)

OKCSubmariner  posted on  2005-04-15   20:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Continental Op (#103)

I have never seen that, anyone else??

tom007  posted on  2005-04-15   20:27:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: TaZ (#100)

Whatever..be a skeptic.. but I wouldnt say this if I were just theorizing.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-15   20:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Zipporah (#104)

Depends on what you meant by monitering.. if you are naive enough to think that doesnt happen.. then you are quite naive. This should certainly not be a new revelation.. there are groups that do exactly that.. moniter computer forums.. There are 'screen names' that are used by more than one person.. as I said this shouldn't be some revelation.. it's been proven on other forums

yeah I used to be paranoid about that too, when I was a moderator. these days I don't believe the FED gov moniters forums. It's flattering to thinks so, but no, I doubt it. The ADL, maybe, but not the FBI.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-15   20:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: tom007 (#106)

I have never seen that, anyone else??

strictly speaking I've never seen an admitted FEd agent on large forums. I have seen them on various militia/weapons/tactics/radical/politics boards during the '90s and up to around 2001.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-15   20:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Continental Op, Zipporah (#108)

I'm not speliing cop, I get no points for this, but it's spelled monitoring.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-15   20:32:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Continental Op (#108)

It's flattering to thinks so, but no, I doubt it. The ADL, maybe, but not the FBI.

Has nothing to do with flattery.. I'm trying to recall the forum that used to post the IP addresses of governmental agencies that monitored their site.. I dont recall the URL of the site.. but it was more than one agency btw.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-15   20:33:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Dakmar, ALL (#110)

yeah. but its quickers on the fingers this way...

have a nice weekend

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-15   20:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Dakmar (#110)

Okay Dakmar Webster thanks for the input :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-15   20:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Continental Op, all (#108)

Is it any wonder they're hated?

Jewish Group Claims Its Database Helps FBI Combat Terrorism

By Robert B. Bluey CNSNews.com Staff Writer October 15, 2002

(CNSNews.com) - In the year after the terrorist attacks on America, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) says it has played a vital role protecting the homeland by providing law enforcement officials with valuable information about suspected terrorists.

The ADL's mission of tracking international and domestic terrorists is not new, but the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon sparked greater interest in the ADL's efforts, said David Friedman, director of the organization's Washington office.

Friedman spoke about the ADL's relationship with police officers and FBI agents at the group's national meeting in Houston last week and echoed those sentiments in an interview with CNSNews.com. Since the terrorist attacks, he said, law enforcement officials have viewed extremist groups in a different light.

"There is a new level of urgency for law enforcement," he said. "They feel a particular burden as the front line of homeland defense. There is a greater interest in finding out not only information, but also what expertise and perspectives we have. It's not just information they need as background -- it's information that may save lives and prevent something from happening."

Unlike some civil rights groups that might scoff at the notion of police tapping into their resources, the ADL says it has welcomed the interaction with the FBI and other officials.

The ADL's comprehensive database on extremist groups includes international terrorist organizations, such as al Qaeda and Hamas, as well as domestic terrorists, including neo-Nazi and white supremacy groups. It would be difficult for the law enforcement officials to track the movements of all these groups, which is where the ADL offers its help, Friedman said.

"They are so burdened by the demands upon their time and so spread thin that they don't have the time to be studying and searching for additional information," he said. "They're trying to deal with immediate needs."

Calls to the FBI's Office of Law Enforcement Services, which Friedman said has worked closely with the ADL, were not returned Monday.

The ADL shares information about international and domestic terrorists on its website. In addition, the organization provides law enforcement officials with information at routine meetings and through educational sessions. In the last year, the ADL's 30 regional offices have trained 25,000 officers.

However, the close interaction between police and the ADL worries the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Spokesman Ibrahim Hooper questioned the relationship, noting that the ADL's pro-Jewish agenda concerned him, especially when it comes to the rights of Muslims living in the United States.

"The pro-Israel lobby generally has an agenda that works counter to the political participation of American Muslims," he said. "They do whatever they can to marginalize and disenfranchise American Muslims. If that requires smears that American Muslims somehow support terrorism, that's what they do."

He said the ADL's work with law enforcement officials was particularly troublesome.

"It concerns me that they're behind the scenes whispering in the ear of law enforcement," Hooper said.

Hooper said his own organization frequently works with law enforcement officials, but those meetings are used primarily to educate police and the FBI about discrimination against Muslims.

Friedman said the ADL had no intentions of targeting individuals based on religion or race; the primary goal of his organization, he said, is to root out extremist groups.

For instance, the ADL already had a profile on Timothy McVeigh before the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing by following anti-Semitic and anti-government movements, Friedman said.

A similar circumstance developed this summer after the July 4 shooting at the El Al Airlines ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport. While the FBI did not initially consider it an act of terrorism, the ADL did, and now the FBI is investigating that angle, according to Friedman.

Despite some concerns, the ADL plans to continue working with law enforcement officials on a local, state and national level to monitor terrorist groups, Friedman said.

"We track left-wing and right-wing extremists, international and domestic extremists," he said. "There are so many different areas in which we are actively involved, they all have degrees of overlap, which enriches our contact with law enforcement."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-15   20:37:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Continental Op (#108)

yeah I used to be paranoid about that too, when I was a moderator. these days I don't believe the FED gov moniters forums. It's flattering to thinks so, but no, I doubt it. The ADL, maybe, but not the FBI.

I am curious as to the replies on this. Even the "flagsh*t" FR can't have more that a couple of hundred thousand dedicated readers.

But we are the folks who matter. Other folks who know nothing value our opinion, (as I do their's when it comes to who is the fav on the big game).

People who inhabit sites as this are the "multipliers", where political leverage can be obtained.

tom007  posted on  2005-04-15   20:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Zipporah (#111)

Has nothing to do with flattery.. I'm trying to recall the forum that used to post the IP addresses of governmental agencies that monitored their site.. I dont recall the URL of the site.. but it was more than one agency btw.

Zipporah posted on 2005-04-15 20:33:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

very intresting.

tom007  posted on  2005-04-15   20:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Zipporah (#107)

Whatever..be a skeptic.. but I wouldnt say this if I were just theorizing.

Hey Zip, I believe you!

I just don't it's the massively insidious conspiracy to take down patriots that has been characterized by some...

Besides, gov't. agents are people too, even if they're serving the Empire.

Since the Empire owns the pipes we're communicating on, I have no doubt they could watch our every keystroke (they know EXACTLY who we are) if that yanked their cranked.

If someone is stupid enough to commit some sort of crime against the Empire on the Net at this stage in the game, they probably doing us ALL a favor by keeping an eye on them ;-)

TaZ  posted on  2005-04-15   20:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: All (#117)

I just don't it's the massively insidious conspiracy to take down patriots that has been characterized by some...

I just don't THINK it's the massively insidious conspiracy to take down patriots that has been characterized by some...

TaZ  posted on  2005-04-15   20:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Continental Op, Zipporah (#109)

It's the plan daisy people that worry me. Along with the David Project. Oh, and SPLC, ADL, and every other "civil rights" organization that gets paid to help police decide who is bad.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-15   20:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Dakmar (#119)

It's the plan daisy people that worry me. Along with the David Project. Oh, and SPLC, ADL, and every other "civil rights" organization that gets paid to help police decide who is bad.

AKA The Thought Police

Orwell would be blown-out of his gord if he could see what is going on in the Empire nowadays...

TaZ  posted on  2005-04-15   20:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Dakmar (#119)

It's the plan daisy people that worry me. Along with the David Project. Oh, and SPLC, ADL, and every other "civil rights" organization that gets paid to help police decide who is bad.

isnt that the truth? I still would like to know what business the SPLC had at Elohim City?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-15   20:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Zipporah (#121)

Fear Factory --- Harem Scare-um.....Spooktacular

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-15   20:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Dakmar (#122)

Fear Factory --- Harem Scare-um.....Spooktacular

Is this where I make a choice or is it all of the above?? ;P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-15   21:02:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

CAN ANYONE FIND A PICTURE OF THIS FINCHLEY PERSON????

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-04-15   21:30:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: -a-l-f-w-i-t-t, Refinersfire, Christine, tom007, Fred Mertz, TommyTheMadArtist, lodwick, Brian S, swarthyguy, Uncle Bill, aristeides, itisa1mosttoolate, robin, Diana, Red Jones, honway, MUDDOG, Neil McIver, wakeup, fatidic, Zipporah, CWRWinger, Sparker (#1)

"Finchley was so taken with the woman that he persuaded her to marry him instead, allegedly in order to keep her out of the clutches of the racist leader. Soon afterwards he and his Russian wife amicably divorced and Agent Finchley arranged for her to get a green card and relocate to FLORIDA.

Gary D. Hunt did in fact steal another mans wife and may have divorced her. The FBI threatened me in my home over my investigations of JD Cash and Gary D. Hunt. Hunt took Cash to Elohim City while Cash was talking to the FBI SAC in OKC Mr Coucker. JD Cash threatened my life over my investigation of Gary Hunt.

Gary Hunt operated a great deal out of Florida traveling back and forth between Arizona and Florida posing as a surveyor. His newletter was the "Outpost of Freedom" and he was associated with the Christian IDentity movement (White Supremacist group) and the Aryan nations group infiltrated by the FBI at Elohim City. Hunt also constantly tried to entrap militia groups around the country. He negotiated for David Koresh with the BATF at Waco. He traveled with his "stolen" wife and an American Indian and was seen in OKC at a motel, at a Total gas station near Murrah, and inside the Murrah building at the time of the OKC bombing. He corresponded with and knew McVeigh. Hunt masqueraded as an American Patriot.

The day of the OKC bombing Gary Hunt sent out a fax claiming that the OKC bombing was done to avenge the deaths of children killed at Waco AND IN IRAQ by the USG. He tried to get John Stadtmiler to provide a false Alibi for Hunt's whereabout's on the day of the OKC bombing-he tried to get Stadtmiller to say Hunt was in Floirda at a gun show at the time.

honway:

Gary Hunt used to post on internet sites encouraging "patriots" to follow McVeigh's "example." Hunt's participation on the internet included articles he had written advocating violence against the government and my personal view is that only someone acting as a government provocateur could do that over time without sanctions from the internet host or the government.

OKCSubmariner  posted on  2005-04-15   22:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: OKCSubmariner, christine (#125)

He tried to get John Stadtmiler to provide a false Alibi for Hunt's whereabout's on the day of the OKC bombing-he tried to get Stadtmiller to say Hunt was in Floirda at a gun show at the time.

Hmm interesting..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-15   22:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: OKCSubmariner (#125)

Someone had asked for a photo of Finchley and although I didnt find one.. I did find one article that mentioned a Harold Covington in connection with him.. ??

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-15   22:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: OKCSubmariner (#125)

JD Cash threatened my life

Wow. I remember him from the Chuck Harder show. Maybe Chuck wasn't what he seemed either.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-04-15   23:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Zipporah (#127)

did find one article that mentioned a Harold Covington in connection with him

Could you post the article and/or the link to it? Thanks.

OKCSubmariner  posted on  2005-04-15   23:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Continental Op (#59)

badeye made an almost identical statement to me, a few weeks ago. is it possible that the two of you agree on something?

So 2 people have said it to you, yet you still dismiss it?

You don't feel like "explaining" today? (Oh, my!) So what the hell are you doing on a comments forum??

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-15   23:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: TaZ (#76)

If someone really wanted to defeat the elite and their minions, "patriots" they wouldn't be re-hashing something that is a dead horse over & over again (OKC, Flight 800 etc.)

Wrong. Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

I want to know about these things, especially about the horrendous OKC bombing. Whoever perpetrated it is counting on our forgetting it. The secret is to NOT forget, but to continue to ask questions until the light shines on all of it.

I don't forget the Reichstag fire, and I wasn't even alive when it happened.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-15   23:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: TaZ (#77)

I'm so deep in the enemie's lair I'm the last thing they have to watch

Sounds a bit over the top. And you're calling OTHER people "crazy"??

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-15   23:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: TaZ (#84)

my present status as In-House Press in a Federal Court...

I've been around federal courts a bit, but I don't recall hearing about this. What exactly is "In-House Press in a Federal Court"? Are you saying you are media relations person for a federal court?

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-15   23:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: TaZ (#92)

Christianity into sect-like cults makes me nauseous...

You'd rather see all of Christianity under Rome, as in the past?

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-15   23:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: TaZ (#100)

then again with the gov't. basically controlling the pipes for the Net, they could be using word recognition software...what a collosal waste of time that would be

Our government, engaging in a collossal waste of time?

Nah. That could never happen.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-15   23:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Zipporah, OKCSubmariner (#126)

He tried to get John Stadtmiler to provide a false Alibi for Hunt's whereabout's on the day of the OKC bombing-he tried to get Stadtmiller to say Hunt was in Floirda at a gun show at the time.

I asked John about this and he confirmed it.

christine  posted on  2005-04-15   23:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Zipporah, Continental Op (#104)

I know how we can settle your difference of opinion. Let's have one of you begin a series of posts advocating the violent overthrow of the government. We'll see if anything comes of it.

Cont Op, I think you would be the most competent one to take on a job like this. So why don't you start now. Zipporah and the rest of us promise to have bail money ready, just in case. (Not that anything would happen... silly... lol.)

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-15   23:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: tom007 (#106)

I've certainly never seen anyone online tell the other posters that they were a member of the FBI or the BATF. Hell, FBI agents won't even let their picture be taken--not even for a church directory. (I know one whose family posed without him in the directory. I also went to school with the daughter of an FBI agent and she told me this was so.)

Besides, with the amount of BS that's flung around on all internet boards, no one would believe the poster anyway.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-15   23:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#137)

Cont Op, I think you would be the most competent one to take on a job like this. So why don't you start now. Zipporah and the rest of us promise to have bail money ready, just in case. (Not that anything would happen... silly... lol.)

LOL!! (you think he'll buy it? I've got an expired credit card that we could use :P )

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-15   23:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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