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Title: FBI Agent Posed as White Supremicist for 14 Years (Tied to OKC Bombing)
Source: Associated Press via APFN
URL Source: http://disc.server.com/discussion.c ... 49495;article=80973;title=APFN
Published: Jun 5, 1999
Author: Wendy Nakamura
Post Date: 2005-04-15 00:35:41 by OKCSubmariner
Keywords: Supremicist, Bombing), Agent
Views: 1134
Comments: 207

FBI Agent Penetrated Into The Heart of Darkness

WASHINGTON DC (AP) - For almost fourteen years, he lived in a world of hatred, bigotry, and violence.

He attended Klan rallies and meetings of buttoned-down intellectual racists in business suits in the most upmarket hotels. He met and hosted Holocaust deniers like German- Canadian Ernst Zundel and British author David Irving. He was there at cross-burnings and street marches, waving a picket sign or a Confederate battle flag and always shouting the loudest of any among his White supremacist cohorts. He drank beer with Skinhead gangs, swapped jokes with them about African-Americans, Hispanics, and Jews, and heard them plot hate crimes and racial assaults. He cruised the Internet, posting racist messages to computer bulletin boards and newsgroups, making contacts with neo-Nazis and nationalist extremists the world over. He infiltrated the inner councils of almost every top hate group in the United States and even in Europe. He even filed a libel suit against another White supremacist who claimed he was an FBI informant.

But he was.

Last month FBI Special Agent James R. Finchley, a decorated Vietnam veteran and "one of the best and bravest men ever to graduate out of Quantico" according to a former instructor at the world-famous FBI academy who knew him and trained him, came in from the cold at last, after successfully carrying out the longest-running deep-cover infiltration of any criminal or terrorist underworld in the history of American law enforcement.

Finchley's fourteen years in the White racist underground produced only a handful of actual prosecutions, but "that wasn't his primary mission," according to the former director of the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit at Quantico, Kenneth M. Lanning. "He was there to listen and learn, and the wealth of information he obtained for us is beyond price."

"It is not too much to say that we now know virtually everything there is to know about organized race hatred in this country. These guys [White supremacist activists and leaders] couldn't go to the can without us knowing about it," Lanning said.

FBI Director Louis Freeh was not available for comment, but U. S. Attorney General Janet Reno told a reporter, "We usually do not make any public statement on covert operations of this nature until all criminal cases associated with an investigation have been brought to a conclusion, but I will say that Special Agent Finchley displayed uncommon courage, resourcefulness, and initiative in a very complex and often dangerous situation."

Finchley's cover was so deep he is reported to have actually married one woman who was involved in a White supremacist group he wanted to penetrate. On that occasion he went to St. Petersburg, Russia to meet and bring to America a Russian woman who was to be the "mail order bride" of a nationally known White supremacist leader who was banned from entering the country because of his views.

Finchley was so taken with the woman that he persuaded her to marry him instead, allegedly in order to keep her out of the clutches of the racist leader. Soon afterwards he and his Russian wife amicably divorced and Agent Finchley arranged for her to get a green card and relocate to Florida.

Justice Department sources are close-mouthed about many of the details of Finchley's fourteen-year odyssey into the murky underworld of racism and hate. "There are still some loose ends to be tied up, and once this gets out there are going to be some very angry White supremacists out there," said a spokesman for the Department. The source refused to say whether Agent Finchley had been moved into the Witness Protection Program or what measures were being taken to prevent retaliation by Finchley's former comrades in the racist movement.

Possibly the most bizarre event of Finchley's long- running undercover operation was when he was accused of having been involved in the Oklahoma City bombing as "John Doe Number Two" by the editor of a racist newsletter who had long suspected Finchley of being a Federal agent. Finchley took an absolutely unprecedented step: he sued the editor for libel and obtained a 110,000 default judgment when the defendant didn't show up in court to try the case.

"I don't know if he's been successful in collecting any of the money the judge awarded him," said Lanning.

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#167. To: Zipporah, h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#165)

I don't forget the Reichstag fire, and I wasn't even alive when it happened.

They covered their traces so well that historians still consider it unproven that the Nazis were behind the Reichstag fire.

Myself, I find to be decisive a fact that Hans Bernd Gisevius stressed in his book To the Bitter End: on the evening of the Reichstag fire, at the height of an election campaign, the three leading orators of the Nazi Party -- Hitler, Göring, and Goebbels -- all happened to be at home in Berlin and without any speaking engagements for the evening.

aristeides  posted on  2005-04-16   10:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: aristeides, Jethro Tull (#163)

Back in the 1960's, it was notorious that a high percentage of the members of the American Communist Party were FBI informants. In fact, some of the most vociferous of them were FBI agents provocateurs.

I think it's even worse today. I think every "group" who is anti-CORRUPT government in any way at all, or groups who dare to assert their rights, are totally infiltrated.

christine  posted on  2005-04-16   10:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: OKCSubmariner (#159)

He also said, "We work very closely with the CIA, FBI, ATF."

This new information when coupled with the fact that the federal governments alphabet soup organizations seem to be intertwined with subversive movements such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith and the Jewish Defense League to the extent that U.S law enforcement agencies have in the past farmed out intelligence operations to these said anti- freedom groups we can begin to understand the ineffectiveness of the investigations surrounding one of the most horrific terrorist attacks to take place on American soil.

oh thats nice.. farming out intelligence operations .. like these people are unbiased?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-16   10:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: aristeides, tom007 (#166)

His name is Bill Israel. Pp. 270-71 of Bush's Brain.

Thank you.. I think the poster's nick was named as well was it not?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-16   11:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: christine (#168)

I think every "group" who is anti-CORRUPT government in any way at all, or groups who dare to assert their rights, are totally infiltrated.

I agree. The 20th century KKK is an example of a "manufactured" hate group, IMO.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-16   11:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: aristeides (#167)

To the Bitter End: on the evening of the Reichstag fire, at the height of an election campaign, the three leading orators of the Nazi Party -- Hitler, Göring, and Goebbels -- all happened to be at home in Berlin and without any speaking engagements for the evening.

Gee things never change now do they.. ?? Speaking engagements.. reading goat books to little children.. hmm..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-16   11:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: OKCSubmariner (#153)

AP's Washington DC and NYC offices (who are very interested in who wrote this story for legal reasons),

And who are they going to turn to for help? The FBI? the courts? The Justice Dept.? An attorney?

The article you posted upon first read, has a ring of truth to it. But one would have know the names, places and events to verify what it says.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-16   11:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Zipporah (#172)

reading goat books to little children..

That goat book fits Bush's M.O. as well. Sometimes these statists use every opportunity advance their Satanic cause.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-16   11:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Zipporah (#170)

I think the poster's nick was named as well was it not?

"Thor."

aristeides  posted on  2005-04-16   11:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: aristeides, tom007 (#175)

"Thor."

Great.. thanks so much

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-16   14:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#140)

defunct militia talk board...

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:03:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#137)

Cont Op, I think you would be the most competent one to take on a job like this. So why don't you start now. Zipporah and the rest of us promise to have bail money ready, just in case. (Not that anything would happen... silly... lol.)

lol. I've seen it happen before...but not recently and not on large forums...

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:07:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: Continental Op (#177)

defunct militia talk board...

Do you support the AWB?

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-16   21:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#138)

I also went to school with the daughter of an FBI agent and she told me this was so.

I see you're still providing credible sources...btw, how long has it been since you got out of school?

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: CWRWinger (#179)

Do you support the AWB?

no. how did we get onto that subject?

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#130)

So what the hell are you doing on a comments forum??

I could ask you the identical question.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: Continental Op (#181)

no. how did we get onto that subject?

Sorry for being off topic.

A militia board would talk about those things (AWB), I would think.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-16   21:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: CWRWinger (#183)

A militia board would talk about those things (AWB), I would think.

yes there was and is a great deal firearms discussion on such boards. if you don't already post there I'd recommend Assaultweb.net and Frugals Forums, two boards which have well survived the downsizing of the Militia movement.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: Continental Op (#184)

Assaultweb.net and Frugals Forums, two boards which have well survived the downsizing of the Militia movement.

Owned by Guvco, Inc.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-16   21:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: CWRWinger (#185)

Owned by Guvco, Inc.

no kidding. you learn something every day...

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: All (#186)

confidentially, I'm beginning to get the impression that this forum is owned by Guvco.Inc.

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: Continental Op (#187)

confidentially, I'm beginning to get the impression that this forum is owned by Guvco.Inc.

Say what?? yeah ya got it all figured out.. DUH.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-16   21:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: Zipporah (#188)

Say what?? yeah ya got it all figured out.. DUH.

zoomed right in on that one, didn't you?

okay...so I'm wrong...they couldn't, after all, be that desperate...

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Continental Op (#187)

I thought Al Gore owned all this internet stuff. Him and the Moonies. J Farrah is an arabist pinko, yeah, that's the ticket.

How's that for off topic?

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-16   21:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: Dakmar (#190)

How's that for off topic?

I'll go you one better....and then again, I won't...

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: Continental Op (#189)

I see that you yet again are your charming self.

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-16   21:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: Zipporah (#192)

have a drink, it'll thicken your skin. buy American! especially American vodka.. .

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: Continental Op (#187)

confidentially, I'm beginning to get the impression that this forum is owned by Guvco.Inc

dammit. "Agent DD" busted.

christine  posted on  2005-04-16   21:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: christine (#194)

have a drink, it'll thicken your skin. buy American! especially American vodka.. .

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   21:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: Continental Op (#193)

have a drink, it'll thicken your skin.

and cloud your thinking apparently..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-16   22:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: Zipporah (#196)

and cloud your thinking apparently..

is that a bad thing? If I have to watch a man drown, I'd rather watch while less than sober...

Continental Op  posted on  2005-04-16   22:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: Continental Op (#197)

is that a bad thing? If I have to watch a man drown, I'd rather watch while less than sober...

Hey ya got a point..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-16   22:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: christine (#194)

"Agent DD" busted.

Maybe he's Agent AA.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-16   23:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: Zipporah (#196)

have a drink, it'll thicken your skin.

and cloud your thinking apparently..

I think I'm beginning to understand this situation. hic.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-16   23:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: Continental Op (#189)

zoomed right in on that one, didn't you?

okay...so I'm wrong...they couldn't, after all, be that desperate...

ROFLMAO

Looney Toonz theme softly playing in the background

TaZ  posted on  2005-04-17   1:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: OKCSubmariner, h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t, continental op, Christine, tom007, Fred Mertz, TommyTheMadArtist, lodwick, Brian S, swarthyguy, Uncle Bill, aristeides, itisa1mosttoolate, robin, Diana, Red Jones, honway, MUDDOG, wakeup, fatidic, Zipporah, CWRWinger (#61)

NM:Does it really matter if there are feds posting there [LP]?

Damn right it can and does matter. Here's why:

..(he was).. always shouting the loudest of any among his White supremacist cohorts. He drank beer with Skinhead gangs, swapped jokes with them about African-Americans, Hispanics, and Jews, and heard them plot hate crimes and racial assaults. He cruised the Internet, posting racist messages to computer bulletin boards and newsgroups,...

I wonder what would have happened when and if Gold-Lox, you or Jim Rob had banned Finchley or other Feds like him on message boards and newsgroups like LP or FR when they started shouting and spreading rascist hatred against other posters like me who were crtical of the FBI handling of OKC, 1993 WTC, 9-11 etc?

You may have forgotten Neil, but the posters from Consolidated Freeping who posted on FR and LP concocted a fake post to plant on FR and on LP to try to make it look like I was associated with the White Supremicists. honway caught them at it and posted the the proof. Also honway and I detected that the fake posts were assocaited with reporter Jayna Davis and appararently Feds who got a green light back in 2002 after new legislation was passed to allow the Feds to do things (DISRUPT and intentinonaly try to PROVOKE and ENTRAP) on newsgroups previously not allowed by law.

I think it surprising and eye opening to see the lengths the feds went to in sending someone undercover for 10 years. That this guy was paid federal tax dollars to, among other things stand out in a street and hurl racial remarks and promote racism says an aweful lot. Certainly it can be said that his undercover efforts promoted the very matter the feds found cause to investigate for prosecution (entrapment for anyone who joined the movement due to his efforts).

As an aside, I suppose the only thing that might have smoked him out was if the persons/organizations he was sent to demanded he notory sign a non-disclosure agreement and promise he was not on the fed payroll under civil and purjury penalty. In doing so, any testimony he might offer would place him in criminal and/or civil violations. Of course the feds might then just pass a law allowing fed agents to not be liable for signing such things to maintain cover.

But there is one important difference between a fed agent joining an organization and one posting to an internet forum: No agent can testify that any specific person posted particular content to the site. Even those of us who use our real names, if we got into a courtroom and an agent was asked to point to the guy posting under my screen name would not be able to do it, even if he knows what I look like. He would have to witness me actually typing this note up in this room I'm in right now. I think forums are useless for prosecution purposes.

The only real purpose for fed agents to post on these forums is to cause damage, and at that point they are spending tax money to campaign an idea. IOW, engaging in propaganda. That is what you're claiming, and it wouldn't be the first time, as Fed funds have been openly used to campaign against state ballot initiatives that would decriminalize marijuana, which is purely a political matter.

LP seems to have become pretty much a mudslinging site. The more it is, the less I'd expect any outside interests to care about it, including the feds.

Neil McIver  posted on  2005-04-19   3:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: Neil McIver, all (#202)

Neil. If you're up, turn on George Norey's Coast to Coast.

Peter Lance is being interviewed. He's fascinating.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-19   3:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: Neil McIver (#202)

I think forums are useless for prosecution purposes.

There was however a guy on FR (I don't remember his screen name) who got visited by federal cops for posting supposed threats against Clinton when he was president.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-04-19   9:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: MUDDOG (#204)

That would be gonzo.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2005-04-19   9:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: Fred Mertz (#205)

Right you are. It was a big deal back then.

MUDDOG  posted on  2005-04-19   10:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: ALL (#2)

BTTT

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Uncle Bill  posted on  2018-02-06   2:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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