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Title: I have a question for the forum
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Published: Oct 2, 2006
Author: richard9151
Post Date: 2006-10-02 11:15:18 by richard9151
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A few of you have read More Blonde Jokes II, and perhaps are beginning to see a little of where I am coming from. Fewer of you have read the posts, Who Controls the United States and Who Controls the United States Part 2.

The next post that I put up will be, as I promised in More Blonde Jokes II, The Bar. This next post is, to me at any rate, an important post, and I need, if possible, a little feed back so I can finish tweaking the post. So, if you feel so inclined, please answer a couple of questions for me. (By all means, if you would rather answer in private, that is not a problem!)

1. Were you aware of any of the material contained in More Blonde Jokes II?

2. Specifically, were you aware of the Federal District States?

3. Were you aware of this?

The sovereign 50 states of the Union of states. These states are foreign governments with respect to the United States. They are also referred to as "foreign countries" in 28 U.S.C. §297 and 26 CFR §1.911-2(h) and "foreign states" in 28 U.S.C. §1603.

4. Were you aware of this?

... our national government of the United States legislates for two distinct territorial jurisdictions.

5. Were you aware that George Washington signed the first ever Excutive Order, and what was contained in that Order?

6. Are you interested in learning about a solution to this problem?

7. I am going to establish a group within the forum. To this group I will ping when I post updates or new Posts that have to do with this subject; The Solution. Are you interested in my placing your name to be pinged? Without a yes answer to this question, I will not add your name to the list. I also reserve the right to not add your name to the list if I feel that is in the best interest of the group, and of 4um.

A simple yes of no to the questions is fine. Thank you all, Richard

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#89. To: YertleTurtle (#87)

I used to give my nephew wedgies all the time.

Thank God I have a nice uncle.

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-10-02   21:03:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Dakmar (#89)

Thank God I have a nice uncle.

Actually I was a pretty good uncle. Once when the Wedgie Kid was about seven, I found him doing that sob/stutter thing they do. He told me some "big kid" stole his bike.

Fortunately, he knew where the kid was, so we drove down there and he watched me hurl this fat kid off of the bike. He bounced real good. ;-)

"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-10-02   21:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: jessejane (#85)

I wouldn't want to be a part of something I didn't know about by accident. ;)

I think you're looking for the Jayne Mansfield forum... :)

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-10-02   21:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Dakmar (#91)

LOL!! Uh no.

"Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries." ~~Douglas Casey - 1992

jessejane  posted on  2006-10-02   21:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: YertleTurtle (#90)

Fortunately, he knew where the kid was, so we drove down there and he watched me hurl this fat kid off of the bike. He bounced real good. ;-)

So you are also a bully that likes beating up on smaller children and voting Democrat?

See how easy GOPC is? It's like stupid simple.

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-10-02   21:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Dakmar (#72)

Do we have to be individalistic? All the time?

Yes.

After all, Dak, you must remember that you are unique.

Just like everybody else.

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-10-02   21:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Dakmar (#93)

So you are also a bully that likes beating up on smaller children and voting Democrat?

Vote Democrat -- ugh. I'll vote for a third party if there is a good one.

The kid was a bully who stole my nephew's bike. He was about 12, and stealing a seven-year-old's bike. I suppose I could have called the police and maybe had him arrested (if they would do that), but I thought, naw, I'll just give him a quick lesson on what happens to thieves. So I just grabbed him and tossed him off of the bike.

All the other kids who saw this were very quiet. My nephew was astonished, and has never forgotten it.

"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-10-02   21:18:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: richard9151 (#43)

Roger that, Rich.

And on to bozo you go!

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-10-02   21:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Neil McIver (#94)

To me that meant always having to get new shoes. Hoosiers are very brand concsious, which amuses me to no end.

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-10-02   21:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: christine, richard9151 (#62)

while you are likely technically correct in what you've asserted (i believe you are as i've done some study on this), the fact of the matter is most americans would never understand it nor care

That's the entire point. You can't tell captives that their captivity is bad for them if the alternative is something as scary as Uncertainty, which is what their future is anyway even though The Overseers assure them constantly that Security is Job #1.

They need to see people living free from the overseers, and prospering as the rest of the country swirls down the toilet, to understand. "Monkey see, monkey do", not "monkey hear, monkey do".

I like a lot of your research, Richard. I hope you continues to post it and continue to hone your message to a finer and more concise point.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-10-02   21:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: YertleTurtle (#87)

You know what an Atomic Wedgie is? You pull the underwear up over the head.

I used to give my nephew wedgies all the time. He had to go into the bathroom to rectify the situation.

Ouch.. !!

"Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries." ~~Douglas Casey - 1992

jessejane  posted on  2006-10-02   21:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Starwind (#48)

Actually "Congress" is not a monolithic body that restricts itself to one particular source for the meaning of legal terms. They are lawyers themselves and doctors, businessmen, etc.

My info is that the politicians don't actually pen the laws they sponsor. Instead they are penned by congressional lawyers that work for the politicians. They are told to write a law that does such n so, and they write them.

Black's changes (as do other dictionaries) when new terms of art come into use. For example, my 5th ed Black's (1979) does not have "Hedge Fund" defined, but the 7th ed (1999) does. Legal language evolves, legal dictionaires keep pace, no more, no less.

Though they do change definitions too. The definition of "driving" has changed quite a bit over the years. The Black's law dictionary derives its definitions from court cases, so when/if a court decision includes a term definition, it gets incorporated into Black's law.

Not exactly the best way to go about things but that's how it works.

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-10-02   21:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: jessejane (#99)

off topic

Off topic...

Drudge is saying that Washington Times is calling for Hastert to resign tomorrow.

This is bad news for Bush and his pals.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-10-02   21:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Cynicom (#101)

Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOVE IT....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-02   21:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: AngelSpawn (#98)

well said.

christine  posted on  2006-10-02   21:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Jethro Tull (#102)

LOVE IT....

This is great.... wheeeeeee

Cynicom  posted on  2006-10-02   21:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: richard9151, Christine, Aristeides, Honway, Critter, All (#42)

Look, one-legged-man, why would anyone listen to you? All you have to offer is nonsense; you cut and paste nonsense from newspapers, I assume, or breaking news on the net, but have you ever bothered to open a legal dictionary? Or, study some case law? Until you do, if I were you, I would shut-up. Your ignorance is showing.


DickeyBird,

Your eloquent and vitriolic bullshit doesn't alter the clearly ignorant assertion you made about the Constitution originally providing "democracy" to DC. It didn't. You've got to be BAC, by another name - given that you spew ignorance, while lacking the intelligence and grace to admit a mistake.

If you could read, you'd know that I'm famous for original work - including quite a piece on Propaganda, Psyops and Coercive Persuasion.

If you haven't figured it out, you lose, with no possible chance of ever winning in an intelligent environment. Hence your dependency on "links."


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-10-02   21:36:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: christine (#103)

Drudge

Christine check Drudge

Cynicom  posted on  2006-10-02   21:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Cynicom (#101)

Drudge is saying that Washington Times is calling for Hastert to resign tomorrow.

So Moon is now president? Will I need silly looking new hats?

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-10-02   21:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Dakmar (#88)

In My Merry Oldsmobile

No clip there Dak.. :( Ever heard Marc Cohn's "Silver Thunderbird" ?? Also a good one.

"Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries." ~~Douglas Casey - 1992

jessejane  posted on  2006-10-02   21:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Neil McIver (#100)

My info is that the politicians don't actually pen the laws they sponsor. Instead they are penned by congressional lawyers that work for the politicians. They are told to write a law that does such n so, and they write them.

One of the most frustrating aspects of law research is trying find the author(s) of particular laws. I suspect that many laws are pushed by special interests that hide behind the anonymity of writing legislation that's then pushed by their pet legislator.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-10-02   21:38:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Neil McIver (#100)

The so-called "Patriot Act" glaringly demonstrates the willing and servile ignorance of Congressmen, with regard to the bills that they pass. At best, I can only guess that maybe six read the Act, before voting it into law.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-10-02   21:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Cynicom (#104)

hehehehehe....(i just started a thread)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-02   21:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: AngelSpawn (#109)

It's hard to believe that special interests would NOT pen proposed legislation that is simply accepted by politicians and copied into a bill.

The 16th amendment was likely penned by the major banking interests.

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-10-02   21:43:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: SKYDRIFTER (#110)

The so-called "Patriot Act" glaringly demonstrates the willing and servile ignorance of Congressmen, with regard to the bills that they pass. At best, I can only guess that maybe six read the Act, before voting it into law.

some representation, huh?

christine  posted on  2006-10-02   21:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Neil McIver (#112)

The 16th amendment was likely penned by the major banking interests.

The Federal Reseve Act of 1913 most certainly was.

In a just world, the names of a law's authors and references to their notes would be required, by law, to be included in the law. No names, no notes - no law.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-10-02   21:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Cynicom (#101)

This is bad news for Bush and his pals.

Sulfur-gate.

"Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries." ~~Douglas Casey - 1992

jessejane  posted on  2006-10-02   21:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: AngelSpawn, Neil McIver (#114)

Section 4. The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators.

I've always thought that meant the US Senate must be chosen by the states.

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-10-02   21:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Dakmar (#116)

I've always thought that meant the US Senate must be chosen by the states.

They were.

Until the 17th Amendment came along.

Supposedly there was a corruption problem related to the legislature's appointing senators, and making the senators elected by the people was the solution.

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-10-02   21:58:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Neil McIver (#117)

Supposedly there was a corruption problem related to the legislature's appointing senators, and making the senators elected by the people was the solution.

Was the media involved? Democracy on the march, progress, free freaking hoopla from 5:00 to 7:00 pm every saturday.

Progressive Era my ***!

The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron

Dakmar  posted on  2006-10-02   22:04:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Neil McIver (#117)

Supposedly there was a corruption problem related to the legislature's appointing senators, and making the senators elected by the people was the solution.

In my cynical view and while it sounds appealing on its face (sort of like adding "for the children" to any proposed legsilation), the 17th was a further dilution of rights and power of the various states--the sheeple being more easily manipulated and swayed in elections than a deliberative, legsilative state representaive assembly.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-10-02   22:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Dakmar (#118)

I imagine the media was involved. Probably had to be to push the amendment through.

The early 1900's was a very sad time in US history. It's when everything started to really fall apart in a big way. That's when people without any memory of the war between the states started running things.

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-10-02   22:08:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Neil McIver (#100)

My info is that the politicians don't actually pen the laws they sponsor. Instead they are penned by congressional lawyers that work for the politicians. They are told to write a law that does such n so, and they write them.

Yes. The politician delegates it all down. In all likelihood they never even read or "proof" what they sponsor. The real "proofing" comes in the adversarial house/senate committee negotiations - then the sponsoring politician finds out what his bill really says when some other politicians' clerks shoves his clerks' noses in it.

Though they do change definitions too. The definition of "driving" has changed quite a bit over the years. The Black's law dictionary derives its definitions from court cases, so when/if a court decision includes a term definition, it gets incorporated into Black's law.

Yes. But the dictionary is effect, not cause. Black's Law Dictionary no more defines "the law" than a roadmap sets boundaries.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2006-10-02   22:12:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: wbales (#119)

I think the 17th was the one and only nail needed to seal the coffin for states rights. There's a reason why the president is elected by electoral college and why he's called "President of the United States" and not "President of the American People". He's supposed to be elected by the states because they are the subjects of the union, not the American people!

The average person isn't *supposed* to care who the president is, as that's purely a matter of concern only for state legislatures. By original design, anyway.

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-10-02   22:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Neil McIver (#122)

I think the 17th was the one and only nail needed to seal the coffin for states rights.

The Commerce Clause run amok was a mighty big factor, too.

In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.

wbales  posted on  2006-10-02   22:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Neil McIver, Dakmar (#117)

Until the 17th Amendment came along.

The Great Constitutional Rewrite of the Early 20th Century was quite a feat for the Money Powers.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

"I am not in here so many years using my own name because I am in the business of lying to anyone anyplace on the Internet I've been." Ferret Mike

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-10-03   0:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: AngelSpawn (#124)

Yes, a lot of bad stuff happened between 1910 and 1940.

Maybe the Industrial Revolution of the late 1800's did something to people. Made life too easy and convenient or something.

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2006-10-03   1:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Neil McIver (#125)

Maybe the Industrial Revolution of the late 1800's did something to people. Made life too easy and convenient or something.

Holy Fabian Socialism, Batman!

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-03   2:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Neil McIver (#125)

Maybe the Industrial Revolution of the late 1800's did something to people. Made life too easy and convenient or something.

It made life easier for some and hard as ever for others. One thing it did was concentrate capital and power into even fewer hands than before.

The ADL is training the New Gestapo

"I am not in here so many years using my own name because I am in the business of lying to anyone anyplace on the Internet I've been." Ferret Mike

AngelSpawn  posted on  2006-10-03   4:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: lodwick (#5)

lodwick, I am sending this to a few people, not intended for you, but just for information;

Let me clear a couple of misconceptions;

First, let us listen to Mr. Justice Harlan of the Supreme Court;

The idea prevails with some -- indeed, it found expression in arguments at the bar -- that we have in this country substantially or practically two national governments; one, to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to exercise.

[Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244 (1901)]

To appreciate how alarmed Justice Harlan had become as a result of this new "theory", consider the following from his dissent:

I take leave to say that if the principles thus announced should ever receive the sanction of a majority of this court, a radical and mischievous change in our system of government will be the result. We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of legislative absolutism. ...

It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside of the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence. No higher duty rests upon this court than to exert its full authority to prevent all violation of the principles of the Constitution.

[Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244 (1901)]

The two most important parts of this are the date, 1901, and understanding that this comment came from the dissent; he was complaining because this is exactly what this case decided, that there were TWO national governments, not one.

But wait, we have not finished the story because we have yet to explain WHY the Constitution does not apply to the Federal District States!

United States v. Cornell 25 Fed. Cas. 646, no. 14,867 C.C.D.R.I. 1819 … It is under the like terms in the same clause of the constitution that exclusive jurisdiction is now exercised by congress in the District of Columbia …

In Downes v. Bidwell, 1901, the Supreme Court ruled that "exclusive" meant exactly that; EXCLUSIVE jurisdiction, with no control from the Constitution. (In Downes v. Bidwell, the Court ruled that "exclusive" meant "without consideration of the Constitutional restraints...") See Justice Harlan´s comments above.

Because the Constitution was specifically written to permit Congress to have Exclusive Jurisdiction over the Federal Zone, and it is obvious, with the actions of George Washington in creating the Federal District States and thus extending the Federal Zone over the top of the several states of the Union that the so-called Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing.

How do we know this? There is a saying that there are no accidents in politics. That makes sense when you think about it, because if what was done was in error, it was corrected. This situation with Exclusive Jurisdiction was not an error, because it has been in place and causing havoc in America since 1791; that is 215 years! I would judge that, indeed, it was no accident.

Now, there are two national governments; that means that there are two Constitutions.

Go here; http://www.theawaregroup.co m/original13th.htm

This was going to be a post, but I am sure not going to waste my time with that!

Now, I understand that it is interesting to listen to people like Mr. BTP talk about how the problem started in 1933 with some slight of hand by the Supreme Court, but do you think he knows more than Justice Harland did in 1901? Or, how about those who talk about the bankruptcy in 1929, or the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, or, the Civil War, or something-or-other in 1975…. And on and on and on and on. They all have ideas, but no one goes to the root of the problem.

And by the way, Mr. BTP is correct about the Law Merchant, which is the merchant law of Babylon transferred through Rome to here. But does that mean that is the root of the problem? Not hardly.

And I know that it is difficult to stop passing notes with the rest of the children in 4um, but sooner or later you have to grow up…. Or not, of course.

If you wish to just begin to understand, I suggest you start with More Blonde jokes II, and you might want to read Who Controls the United States, Part 2.

And by the way, here is what the Constitutional Amendment would do;

It would apply the Constitution to the Exclusive Jurisdiction of Congress, thereby eliminating, in one stroke;

FBI

IRS

Federal Reserve Bank

Federal Codes

And etc. etc. etc. But hey, what do I know.

The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.

richard9151  posted on  2006-10-03   13:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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