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Title: Government thugs handcuff children, kill dog during $60 marijuana raid
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Published: Sep 28, 2006
Author: Rob Kampia
Post Date: 2006-10-02 17:19:33 by Neil McIver
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I want to share with you a recent horrifying example of our government's war on marijuana users. Get ready to be outraged. The following is an excerpt from a September 20 article in the "Times Union" in Albany, New York: "A police strike team raided a woman's Prospect Street apartment and handcuffed her children and killed her dog early Tuesday in a $60 pot bust. The woman called it excessive force and a case of mistaken identity, but officers said they stormed the home for a good reason: One of her sons was selling marijuana there. The Police Department's tactical squad knocked down the front door of the upstairs apartment at 110 Prospect St. and flooded into the apartment shortly after 6 a.m. 'I heard a big boom. My first reaction was to jump out of bed. We were trying to find where our kids were at and all of a sudden we had guns in our faces,' said 40-year-old Anita Woodyear, who rents the second-floor flat. During the ensuing chaos, police handcuffed two of the woman's children, Elijah Bradley, 11, and 12-year-old Victoria Perez, and shot at her dog in the kitchen before killing it in the bathroom, Woodyear said. 'That seems like an awful lot of firepower for marijuana,' said Fred Clark of the Schenectady chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. 'That's like spending $125,000 for $5.' Woodyear said she suspected police had intended to search a neighboring home, but had the wrong address on the search warrant. Neighbors said they suspect illicit drugs are dealt at other homes on the block. 'No apology, no "sorry about your dog",' she said. But police said they have no reason to apologize. They said they raided the house because Woodyear's 18-year-old son, Israel M. Bradley, sold three plastic bags of marijuana there for $40 on Sept. 15. They allege he sold two other bags of marijuana in the house for $20 on Aug. 28, they said. In addition, police said Bradley was carrying marijuana in the home on Sept. 1. 'We had the absolute right house. We had the absolute right target,' said Assistant Chief Michael Seber." Visit http://ny.mpp.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=grKMIYPGIqE&b=1773617&ct=2947891 to read the entire article. Who do the police think they're helping by breaking down the front door of a family's home, pointing guns in their faces, murdering their dog, and handcuffing the children? Was this for the good of the children? The mother? The neighborhood? No one wins -- except perhaps for the government thugs who get jacked up on the adrenaline rush that comes from threatening and persecuting others. We have to stop this madness. We have to change the laws so that government thugs no longer have the legal authority to kick in people's doors to find marijuana. If you're as outraged by the above story as I am, please turn your anger into action by helping MPP restore sense to our nation's marijuana policies. Thank you for standing with us in this important fight. Sincerely, Rob Kampia P.S. As I've mentioned in previous alerts, a major philanthropist has committed to match the first $3.5 million that MPP can raise from the rest of the planet in 2006. This means that your donation today will be doubled.
Executive Director
Marijuana Policy Project
Washington, D.C.
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#12. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
Thus far, you appear to have no problems with those private groups that train the cops.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo
Have you ever heard the term "L7"?
The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron
And a new Hudson was what, $2,150? Sorry, I couldn't resist.
The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron
No, I don't have a clue. And we drove Lasalles, not Hudsons. I had a 1915 REO Speedwagon myself.
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)
I had a conversation with my wife last week about when I could say to our kids: "Kids, never trust a cop." We agreed that 13 was about right, maybe even earlier. Old enough to see the dichotomy between what people say and what they do, and old enough to keep their mouths shut.
"GM is not a car company, it's a bank that gives free cars to its customers when they take out a loan."--Magorn.
We've all got better odds of winning the "Cop Lottery" than the official one.
"GM is not a car company, it's a bank that gives free cars to its customers when they take out a loan."--Magorn.
You've been there bump Too true.
my, how things have changed. what happened to the motto "to protect and serve?" now we have to fear the cops more than some common street thugs.
Aye, Blossom, that we do. Whenever a (relatively) innocent person gets roughed up, has property siezed or destroyed, the rest of us go whistling past the graveyard. We all have our line in the sand, but we'll be defending that line alone. I have *seriously* thought about selling "government insurance", to replace lost income or damages in case the city, state, or feds decide to screw with you one day.
"GM is not a car company, it's a bank that gives free cars to its customers when they take out a loan."--Magorn.
And speaking of scams--follow me here-- A rational and reasonable action for an American president to take on 09/12 would have been to send the Army, National Guard, and so forth to the borders and lock this country down. Of course, that didn't happen (thus proving, BTW and IHMO, that Bush's concern with Homeland Security was and remains with Israel). The Big Business Elite wants the illegal invasion to continue as it is a source of cheap labor with the Elite reaping the benefits while the America is saddled and mortgaged with the costs thereof. Zionists want the illegal invasion to continue because it destabilizes and fractionates American culture and political consensus. Perhaps another factor?: Locking down the border would also GREATLY and immediately impede the importation of illegal drugs. HHMM.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
The earlier the better. It depends on the child. They also need to be taught that the government is in the business of lies. Kids are taught to trust the wrong people and to mistrust their own families.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo
Yesterday I was driving down the highway when I spotted a police car ahead on the left side of the road, and the cop was walking onto the highway waving his arms for me to stop. Turned out he was stopping all traffic to allow a wire, maybe a phone or cable line, to be raised over the highway. But the site of a cop wanting you to stop really gets the heart pumping. Am I "speeding" or committing some other kind of capital crime? It should not be like that.
Early enough to be useful, late enough so they keep their mouths shut and they don't get taken away by concerned social workers.
"GM is not a car company, it's a bank that gives free cars to its customers when they take out a loan."--Magorn.
i *know* the feeling.
Agreed. That's why I qualified with "depends on the child". Some kids at 10 are more mature than some adults will ever hope to be.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo
Gee A.Spawn, you don't listen well, do you? The police get training from various groups. I was in a Special Forces Guard unit, and my team sergeant was the head investigator for the Salt lake City D.A.'s office. We also had so many cops in my unit, it is the only time I have seen troopers who take off their BDU jackets to say work during I.G. time and have concealed weapons all over them. I think I know something about what you talk about. I know to at times they get training from someone and don't think much of the person or the training. Which is why I pointed out to you that it is one thing to train, another for the horse who was led to water to drink of it as whomever brought them there like. I also was trained in Phase one of the S.F.Q.C. and had two I.D.F. Majors in the barracks with me at Camp Makall. I particularly liked Major Cohen, and didn't want any truck with the other one. We also had officers from Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. I have heard much from Cohen about how the I.D.F. does things compared to how he observed the U.S. Army operate, and I just do not get worked up like you do about blocks of training that exist in a system where law enforcement officers receive lots of training of all kinds any more then some of the silly SOPs the I.D.F. use I heard about from the good Major impressed me. Now I realize you are talking here of your pet bogeyman, so enjoy the heck out of yourself vilifying anyone you want. But I have a different viewpoint, O.K? And that is not going to change, because even if the training is very bad in terms of protecting Constitutional rights and in using say profiling techniques I do not believe in, I look at the entire organization being trained and the people in it. I note what is good about a law enforcement agency, and what is bad. I do not have your ax to grind, and I absolutely, positively do not want it either. I don't even dislike you, and really, you don't cause a ripple in my existence, but you should lighten up. Because my 'telling' reaction - as you put it - only exhibits my exasperation with you. I am perfectly willing to be sociable and discuss anything with anyone here. But not if they are going to come at me with an ax to grind and a chip on their damn shoulder. I hope this gives you the reality check you need, because now I have done so twice, this time in far more detail. And it is therefore the last time I cover this territory with you. Now you have a great evening, you hear? ;-)
So I should just shut up and be tolerant of your differing viewpoint as your beloved ADL and its sibling JINSA helps to brainwash cops about who and who not to bust? Don't count on my silence. The feet of faux progressives like yourself need to be held to the fire as much as the feet of faux conservatives. I note what is good about a law enforcement agency "Law enforcement" is the defintion of tyranny. Peace officers are what exist in a state of Liberty.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo
ROTFLMFAO! Exactly, they are public servants, and Peace officer works better for me too. I do not like the amount of people who are incarcerated, not the use of the Grand Jury system to intimidate and push around political activists. I do not like the tactics they use to stifle and thwart demonstrations and other acts of dissent either. Now as far as "brainwashed" vs. "training," I would prefer them to stick to giving their blocks of training using the standard format of 'task, condition, and standard, as they use much the same BTMS style of training I was taught how to do my teaching in the military with. You overstate yourself here, as "brainwashing," or the use of 'snapping' technique and other ways to change a person's outlook on life and modus of thinking - not to mention how much thinking they do for themselves - is a different thing. And if a law enforcement agency is in the business of molding people after their own image, it is going to be a process longer, more involved and sophisticated then blocks of instruction an out of country entity gives. And as far as your loaded use of the word, "beloved;" you are always invited to stop the fool posturing, Gertrude. I don't "belove" any entity like that. As with anything else, I not the good and bad aspects of any organization from them, to any I have had dealings with, or belonged to. You are a feisty one, aren't you? Thanks for the amusement, tiger, go get them. rah rah rah.
It is also what comes of living in a tyranny based on the Law Merchant (UCC) and the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. Once you sign on the dotted line, for anything, especially a SSN, you are presumed to be a beneficiary of the government program or licensing scheme. I'll make it simple. The government is operating the Treasury account you created when you applied for that SSN. We have a court case which states this but I cannot locate the cite just now. The state operates under a presumption that you, the live man, are the surety for the fiction of law, or juristic person, which they have created for you by and through those applications for birth registration, SSN, drivers license, etc. Since the corporate state is a fiction of law, it cannot communicate with a live man, and this is the same for other fictions. That is why these fictions have attorneys to represent them in court proceedings. If you partake of the commercial world you are in their fictional Babylonian system. We have the solution to this scheme and it is not a silver bullet in and of itself. We know that the common law is a part of it, so we use it and stay out of their administrative law Babylonian jurisdiction. The Habeas Corpus works in the common law. In their fictional corporate state, Bush has just thrown it on the trash heap of history. But the key to the commercial scheme is to take control of your fictional entity, sometimes called the Strawman. And we do that with a filing in the UCC and by placing in that filing a Security Agreement which gives us the Priority over any and all claimants, and also makes us the Secured Party in any and all property which we list in that UCC contract. Not to mention, one of the benefits of this is that we have an Indemnity Bond in that contract which allows us to discharge any debts or claims made against the Strawman in the public sector, which includes public utilities, banks, credit cards and any gov't agency or entity. I've used this process and it works, even with the IRS. All they need, and what we give them, is a paper, a negotiable instrument, which they use to zero the account. The sad part is that they are making these claims in a fraudulent manner. We have no loss in this instance and the debt is assigned back to the original obligor of the currency, the USG. They created the monster, so now let them live with it. A simple way to explain this is since the bankruptcy of the U.S. in 1933 and the confiscation of gold as money of account, they have succeeded in doing something which was never possible under the Apportionment Clause of the U.S. Constitution. They have transferred the national debt to the people by and through the use of Federal Reserve Notes. Limited liability is one of the benefits you are presumed to receive from this system which has been foisted on the people. But, when you use the slave owners note to purchase something, the slave owner still maintains an interest in the property. You have possession and use and that is all. When you register that property, you pledge it to the state and they then use it as collateral to get credit from the bankers to operate. They profit from tricking you into the registration scheme whereby you waive your God-given unalienable rights under the contract. So, next time you get pulled over for speeding, remember that the license and registration gives them subject matter jurisdiction and you are screwed. For an application for a UCC-1 Financing Statement/Security Agreement/Indemnity Bond Click Here. But be aware that the address for me in there is old since I have recently moved. If anyone is really interested in this, please send me a PM and I will give you the new address. Sorry, richard, but, as I see it, what you propose about a constitutional amendment is a distraction and diversion which will waste time and resources in our fight to take back this country and put the rule of law back in the hands of the people. The Federal Districts exist as an overlay, but are only lawful if you enter their jurisdiction. The trick is to stay out of them if at all possible since you have no rights there. But, the U.S. District Courts do exist for a lawful purpose and that is to settle disputes between parties in different states or between citizens and other government entities. What we need to ask ourselves is if we wish to claim to be a 14th Amendment civil rights citizen. There are advantages but then again, there are disadvantages as well. Sometimes we have no choice since the state courts are so utterly corrupt at the lower levels. Not always, but for the most part. As an example, we have a judge here in a nearby county who was asked, "Why is there so much injustice in the courts?" He answered without hesitation, "Because the people allow it." So it goes for all levels of government. "Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave, and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature." James Garfield
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
The ADL is in the business of political indoctrination, which blends with brainwashing in today's LE environment. I suspect that your "teaching in the military" makes you as unable to use critical thinking in this matter as the cops and their ADL/JINSA trainers. And as far as your loaded use of the word, "beloved;" you are always invited to stop the fool posturing, Gertrude. I don't "belove" any entity like that. As you appear incapable of discussing this topic without resorting to outright flames and smears, you'll excuse me if I still don't believe or trust your word. You have yet to be able to answer a simple yes or no question on the matter of the ADL training the agents of tyranny. Note to those flagged: Please see referenced post. It's rather, um, enlightening.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo
Ah, but it is. Most of those who come to the ranks of the police now have previous training in the military. So it is much more extensive than many would be led to believe. Hence, the militarization of out police, which is a very bad sign of the tyranny we are suffering.
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
The military has made great efforts in brainwashing, mind control and such. They'd be like putty in the hands of the ADL and JINSA.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo
ping to BTP's post above. if i didn't misunderstand, this is some of what i think richard was trying to explain.
Thanks Christine... I'm going to mark for later reading... I want to take my time to understand all of this.....
"Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries." ~~Douglas Casey - 1992
Once when I was pulled over for the private property tags on my pick up, the trooper said to me, "It looks like you've put a lot of effort into this, but we are told what you are doing is not proper." My question to him was, "Who is telling you that?" I got no answer. To me, it sounds much like the old proverb, "Shit rolls downhill." The word came from "above" or higher up in the chain of command. So, I really don't blame these guys so much since they are continually beaten into the mold which their traitorous superiors wish them to be. But, as with all of the rest of us out here, they have a duty to know the law, ALL OF IT, but they are only trained in enforcement and procedure. And they have failed in that duty to us, which means we must necessarily be well versed in the law ourselves. To not be so versed is a fools errand. One clue, you can bet your ass that it is lawyers, i.e. the Attorney General's office, who are doing the telling way up the line, out of sight to everyone but the top commanders. BTW, the State Police are the military occupation troops and enforcers of the Bankruptcy of 1933. Take a look at the dates of formation of those various agencies and you will see they all were formed in the mid- to late-1930s.
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
Somehow I missed that. I'd like to read the exact wording of Richard's proposed amendment. Where is it?
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
Did he write you a ticket or was there just a constitutional debate?
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
Click on his screen name and see his home page.
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
on his homepage
Duty to know the law? All of it? What a hoot! Try this sometime: Speak with a judge, or a police officer, or a government worker, or a politician, or a lawyer, or anyone else for that matter and simply ask them how many laws there are on the books. They can't tell you. Nobody can. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" the jackbooted thugs will mindlessly parrot, but not one of them can tell you how many laws are on the books that you have no right to be ignorant of.
I definitely do not in anyway shape or form like or trust the police and their masters.
#13. To: YertleTurtle (#10)
Isn't $40 worth of pot like, two joints these days?
#14. To: YertleTurtle (#10)
Back when I was in high school we called one ounce a "lid" and it cost $15.
#15. To: Dakmar (#13)
Have you ever heard the term "L7"?
#16. To: Neil McIver (#0)
Who do the police think they're helping by breaking down the front door of a family's home, pointing guns in their faces, murdering their dog, and handcuffing the children? Was this for the good of the children? The mother? The neighborhood?
#17. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
They are now suing the crap out of the city and the neighborhood is still pissed by this two years after the fact.
#18. To: christine (#6)
you know what? as tragic as this is, it's the kind of thing that has to happen a lot more in order for people to get it. most americans have no clue and won't be concerned in the least until they themselves or someone they know/love are targeted. most americans take the attitude that those victimized deserved it for some reason or another
#19. To: Indrid Cold (#16)
I had a conversation with my wife last week about when I could say to our kids: "Kids, never trust a cop." We agreed that 13 was about right, maybe even earlier.
#20. To: christine (#19)
my, how things have changed. what happened to the motto "to protect and serve?" now we have to fear the cops more than some common street thugs.
#21. To: BTP Holdings (#2)
another money making scam
#22. To: Indrid Cold (#16)
I had a conversation with my wife last week about when I could say to our kids: "Kids, never trust a cop."
#23. To: christine (#19)
what happened to the motto "to protect and serve?" now we have to fear the cops more than some common street thugs.
#24. To: AngelSpawn (#22)
The earlier the better. It depends on the child. They also need to be taught that the government is in the business of lies.
#25. To: Neil McIver (#23)
#26. To: Indrid Cold (#24)
#27. To: AngelSpawn (#12)
(Edited)
"Thus far, you appear to have no problems with those private groups that train the cops."
#28. To: Ferret Mike (#27)
I have a different viewpoint, O.K?
#29. To: AngelSpawn (#28)
(Edited)
#30. To: richard9151, innieway, Critter, All (#4)
(Edited)
THIS IS WHAT COMES OF LIVING IN THE FEDERAL DISTRICT STATE. And if you do not know what I mean, well, you should by now, because there is no control on this type of behavior in the Federal Zone.
#31. To: Ferret Mike, Cynicom, christine, robin, Tauzero, Eoghan, BTP Holdings, jessejane, Lady X (#29)
#32. To: Ferret Mike, AngelSpawn (#29)
(Edited)
And if a law enforcement agency is in the business of molding people after their own image, it is going to be a process longer, more involved and sophisticated then blocks of instruction an out of country entity gives.
#33. To: BTP Holdings (#32)
Most of those who come to the ranks of the police now have previous training in the military.
#34. To: BTP Holdings, jessejane, wbales, dakmar, richard9151 (#30)
#35. To: christine, jessejane (#34)
ping to BTP's post above. if i didn't misunderstand, this is some of what i think richard was trying to explain.
#36. To: Ferret Mike, AngelSpawn (#29)
(Edited)
And if a law enforcement agency is in the business of molding people after their own image, it is going to be a process longer, more involved and sophisticated then blocks of instruction an out of country entity gives.
#37. To: BTP Holdings, christine, richard9151 (#30)
Sorry, richard, but, as I see it, what you propose about a constitutional amendment
#38. To: BTP Holdings (#36)
Once when I was pulled over for the private property tags on my pick up, the trooper said to me, "It looks like you've put a lot of effort into this, but we are told what you are doing is not proper."
#39. To: wbales (#37)
Where is it?
#40. To: wbales (#37)
#41. To: BTP Holdings (#36)
But, as with all of the rest of us out here, they have a duty to know the law, ALL OF IT, but they are only trained in enforcement and procedure. And they have failed in that duty to us, which means we must necessarily be well versed in the law ourselves. To not be so versed is a fools errand.
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#42. To: wbales (#38) (Edited)
Oh, he wrote tickets alright. But, on the 2nd visit to the court, I had the chance to talk with the prosecutor. He told me "The Dept. of Revenue has no record your pickup has ever been registered." I told him that was interesting especially since I had bought the truck from someone in the state. and that I had it registered at one time besides the party I had bought it from having it registered. So, I gave him copies of all my paper work and said, "I'm sure they have a record in the archives, but I'll bet you did not ask them to look there, only in the computer database. My paper work has removed the registration, so they had no choice but to remove the record from the database. And I am certain that the Director of Revenue has a file on me in her office since it was with her that I had exchanged correspondence." When he realized I was onto something (which was leading to a 5th Amendment taking) he simply said, "I'll just dismiss this and we can save us both more time and expense." He was a smart man. ;0)
Did he write you a ticket or was there just a constitutional debate?
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
#43. To: BTP Holdings, christine (#39)
OK. I decided to ignore this: These states are foreign governments with respect to the United States. They are also referred to as "foreign countries" in 28 U.S.C. §297 and 26 CFR §1.911- 2(h) and "foreign states" in 28 U.S.C. §1603. which is patently WRONG and get to this: Constitution of the United States Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17; 17. To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such district (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings: And, The new Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 shall read; 17. To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such district (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, SUBJECT ONLY TO THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings: And, So, Richard is proposing to add "SUBJECT ONLY TO THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION" to the constitutional clause establishing Washington, DC as the seat of the federal government and giving the federal government authority over its federal military bases, federal parks, lands, and so forth wherever so situate. For one, "SUBJECT ONLY TO THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION" seems superfluous. Second, it is arbitrary and vague. What is the intent of adding this language? That federal government controlled lands within the United States are subject to the authority of the US Constitution?? That any and all state law is invalid/inapplicable to and within such areas?? What, exactly and specifically, is attempting to be accomplished by adding this language? This is confusing.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
#44. To: BTP Holdings (#42)
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The faster the Aryan Nation mob at Freedom4um are caged and chained, the better off we'll be. I’ll cheering when they are forced to behave. - Aaron
#45. To: Elliott Jackalope (#41)
"Ignorance of the law is no excuse" the jackbooted thugs will mindlessly parrot, but not one of them can tell you how many laws are on the books that you have no right to be ignorant of. Don't be facetious. Of course they can't. But the cops are bound to obey ALL of the statutes. And you can bet your bippy they regularly violate loads of them, and all because of insufficient training and just plain old ignornace. Much of it is because they are only trained in certain aspects (enforcement and procedure). And it sure don't help that we go along because of our own ignorance and an unwillingness to sacrifice in the least to keep our liberty and freedom. Like that judge here said, there is injustice in the courts "because the people allow it." I caught a cop who arrested me lecturing me on the law and I said to him, "Deputy, are you lecturing me on the law?" He said, "Yes, I am." And I told him, "You may lecture me on enforcement and procedure, but don't ever lecture me on the law." Just so happens his procedure was faulty for the simple reason he did not know the law, not enough of it at any rate to protect my rights as is his duty under the public trust, which is known as a breach of fiducuiary duty. I really do hate the lying scum.
Duty to know the law? All of it? What a hoot! Try this sometime: Speak with a judge, or a police officer, or a government worker, or a politician, or a lawyer, or anyone else for that matter and simply ask them how many laws there are on the books. They can't tell you. Nobody can.
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
#46. To: AngelSpawn (#31)
I have been a political activist far longer then I was in Special Forces. And my four letter mobilization day code word was "REDS" which was a joke my A team did in all good nature based on my left leaning political stance. You see, they actually liked it, as Special Forces is different then the "warrior ethos of the Rangers or infantry. My political outlook gave them more tools to use in analyzing a situation and sizing a situation up. Low intensity conflict as I've been taught how to train people in it or conduct operations in a LEC situation does not involve political indoctrination. If you do anything in the way of that in Robin Sage, you get in trouble with the situation with the people playing the indigenous people right off the bat. I am very serious. One class had a Mormon officer given the "Village Elder's drink which was not poisonous, but was definitely alcoholic and obnoxiously horrible to taste. The fool piously started lecturing them about how as a Mormon he did not drink alcohol and the 'villager on the truck nearby started firing up that training team with blanks from a saw. The team had to go into retrograde movement mode and adiós the AO. You are taught to respect those you deal with culturally and politically. Which is EXACTLY why I went Spacial Forces in the first place.
"The ADL is in the business of political indoctrination, which blends with brainwashing in today's LE environment. I suspect that your "teaching in the military" makes you as unable to use critical thinking in this matter as the cops and their ADL/JINSA trainers."
#47. To: AngelSpawn (#31) (Edited)
Well that is your posturing on this. I have been more then nice, and more then fair. You are very arrogant, territorial in regards to this forum and what goes on it, and self righteous to the extreme. And I don't care if you believe me or not, but suffice it to say, I am not in here so many years using my own name because I am in the business of lying to anyone anyplace on the Internet I've been.
"As you appear incapable of discussing this topic without resorting to outright flames and smears, you'll excuse me if I still don't believe or trust your word."
#48. To: wbales, christine (#43)
These states are foreign governments with respect to the United States. They are also referred to as "foreign countries" in 28 U.S.C. §297 and 26 CFR §1.911- 2(h) and "foreign states" in 28 U.S.C. §1603. which is patently WRONG I have not gone to check on those parts of the code. So I cannot say exactly what is in there. But it is a fact that we have two parallel jursidictions, one is for the federal state which encompasses the District of Colombia and all of the territories and other federal posessions, forts, federal buildings, etc. And the other is the jurisdiction for the several states of the union. This is a well founded fact of the law in this nation and there are many court cases which show this to be true. American Jurisprudence would be the place to look for this. For the purposes of distinguishing these two separate jurisdictions, there is a court case which I recall seeing that says specifically that the federal jurisdiction is foreign to that of the several states. Hence, the federal government is foreign to that of the states. The two jurisdictions cannot be mixed. And it is from this that there arises much confusion. The intent of Congress when it passes a law is that the jurisdiction is only for one or the other, or both. Any law which is applied to a jurisdiction to which it cannot be done under this constitutional separation, would be struck down by the courts. The problem is that many of these laws which are misapplied are never challenged in court. Therein lies the problem. And also the dishonest nature of the bureaucracy which does these things. BTW, this jurisdictional issue has been proven by the Congressional Research Bureau time and again. When the word "state" is used in legislation, it does not always have one meaning. The whole law must be read to bring this into context. What is the intent of adding this language? That federal government controlled lands within the United States are subject to the authority of the US Constitution?? That any and all state law is invalid/inapplicable to and within such areas?? What, exactly and specifically, is attempting to be accomplished by adding this language? This is confusing. That is what I thought also. Furthermore, the fact that the constitution and Bill of Rights are a compact between the states (as representatives of the people, who are not a party to that compact) and the federal government are between them only as a guarantee of our rights and the limitations of the federal government as it pertains to the states and the people. See my post #30 above also at the very end where I give my opinion of this.
I decided to ignore this:
For one, "SUBJECT ONLY TO THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION" seems superfluous. Second, it is arbitrary and vague.
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
#49. To: BTP Holdings (#48)
This is a well founded fact of the law in this nation and there are many court cases which show this to be true. American Jurisprudence would be the place to look for this. For the purposes of distinguishing these two separate jurisdictions, there is a court case which I recall seeing that says specifically that the federal jurisdiction is foreign to that of the several states. Hence, the federal government is foreign to that of the states. this is my understanding as well, but the feds are more and more blatantly and egregiously ignoring the lines/laws which separate jurisdiction just as it is becoming apparent that there is little to no separation of the three branches of government.
But it is a fact that we have two parallel jursidictions, one is for the federal state which encompasses the District of Colombia and all of the territories and other federal posessions, forts, federal buildings, etc. And the other is the jurisdiction for the several states of the union.
#50. To: christine (#49)
Apathy is the killer. All of this has been going on for some time. It will be up to the minority of the people to force the issue and make things right. “…Our destruction, should it ever come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to their concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence.” Daniel Webster
but the feds are more and more blatantly and egregiously ignoring the lines/laws which separate jurisdiction just as it is becoming apparent that there is little to no separation of the three branches of government.
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
I have no doubt that you're well-versed in exopolitics.
Which is EXACTLY why I went Spacial Forces in the first place.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo
#52. To: Ferret Mike, Cynicom (#47)
You've been a font of name calling and you can't even answer a simple yes or no question as it relates to an Israeli spy organization. I am not in here so many years using my own name because I am in the business of lying to anyone anyplace on the Internet I've been. Cyni- Note the English slipping again. Also note that the meaning conveyed is the exact opposite of the meaning intended.
I have been more then nice, and more then fair.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo
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