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Title: Government thugs handcuff children, kill dog during $60 marijuana raid
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Published: Sep 28, 2006
Author: Rob Kampia
Post Date: 2006-10-02 17:19:33 by Neil McIver
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I want to share with you a recent horrifying example of our government's war on marijuana users. Get ready to be outraged. The following is an excerpt from a September 20 article in the "Times Union" in Albany, New York: "A police strike team raided a woman's Prospect Street apartment and handcuffed her children and killed her dog early Tuesday in a $60 pot bust. The woman called it excessive force and a case of mistaken identity, but officers said they stormed the home for a good reason: One of her sons was selling marijuana there. The Police Department's tactical squad knocked down the front door of the upstairs apartment at 110 Prospect St. and flooded into the apartment shortly after 6 a.m. 'I heard a big boom. My first reaction was to jump out of bed. We were trying to find where our kids were at and all of a sudden we had guns in our faces,' said 40-year-old Anita Woodyear, who rents the second-floor flat. During the ensuing chaos, police handcuffed two of the woman's children, Elijah Bradley, 11, and 12-year-old Victoria Perez, and shot at her dog in the kitchen before killing it in the bathroom, Woodyear said. 'That seems like an awful lot of firepower for marijuana,' said Fred Clark of the Schenectady chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. 'That's like spending $125,000 for $5.' Woodyear said she suspected police had intended to search a neighboring home, but had the wrong address on the search warrant. Neighbors said they suspect illicit drugs are dealt at other homes on the block. 'No apology, no "sorry about your dog",' she said. But police said they have no reason to apologize. They said they raided the house because Woodyear's 18-year-old son, Israel M. Bradley, sold three plastic bags of marijuana there for $40 on Sept. 15. They allege he sold two other bags of marijuana in the house for $20 on Aug. 28, they said. In addition, police said Bradley was carrying marijuana in the home on Sept. 1. 'We had the absolute right house. We had the absolute right target,' said Assistant Chief Michael Seber." Visit http://ny.mpp.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=grKMIYPGIqE&b=1773617&ct=2947891 to read the entire article. Who do the police think they're helping by breaking down the front door of a family's home, pointing guns in their faces, murdering their dog, and handcuffing the children? Was this for the good of the children? The mother? The neighborhood? No one wins -- except perhaps for the government thugs who get jacked up on the adrenaline rush that comes from threatening and persecuting others. We have to stop this madness. We have to change the laws so that government thugs no longer have the legal authority to kick in people's doors to find marijuana. If you're as outraged by the above story as I am, please turn your anger into action by helping MPP restore sense to our nation's marijuana policies. Thank you for standing with us in this important fight. Sincerely, Rob Kampia P.S. As I've mentioned in previous alerts, a major philanthropist has committed to match the first $3.5 million that MPP can raise from the rest of the planet in 2006. This means that your donation today will be doubled.
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#58. To: Ferret Mike, Cynicom (#57)
I've never met an intellectually honest person that had any respect for the ADL. Again, it's that element of corruption I mentioned earlier.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo "I am not in here so many years using my own name because I am in the business of lying to anyone anyplace on the Internet I've been." Ferret Mike Mike... It is difficult if not impossible to reconcile your stated background with being a staunch supporter of an anti-American group such as the ADL. How can one be a member or supporter of ADL and not be anti-American?
Staunch? Who said I was a supporter never mind a staunch one? All I said was I admired them for their good work. And all this has been spun by ASpawn because I've enjoyed reading their website, used information on it, and have heard good things about them. I am about as much a 'supporter' of them as I am a supporter of the Washington Post whose site I enjoy going to far more then the ADL's. I don't care if ASpawn likes them or not. I don't automatically adopt the world view others have of an entity like this organization just because they feel the way they do about it. He obviously hungers for an avatar of this bogeyman group of his and has decided I'm 'it.' I am not into playing 'tag, you're it,' 'hide and seek,' 'red light/green light,' or any other damn child's games in here. I view his anti ADL view with a huge amount of skepticism as I hear him spew hatred, loathing and anger all the time, and the vaudeville act of him nailing himself up on a cross is quite maudlin a spectacle that I am not impressed by. You are more then welcome to stop by and see me anytime in Eugene, Oregon. You can also write the Register Guard and get the entire stack of articles with my name in them regarding forest activism to those about the times I was robbed at gunpoint at 7 Eleven too for all I care. I am only exactly who I say I am and the proof of this is absolutely not hidden. I am well known locally, and I don't bother hiding partially because of that, and partially because I have already had ID theft blight my existence, and I have made it impossible to touch me like that anymore. I have been on the Internet a long time, and this little old forum is the only one in my experience I have posted on where some on it turn purple with rage and contempt at the mere mention of the word 'Jew.' Well Cyni, I ain't one of those people, OK? And I am not interested in being one either. I also do not want to work for the ADL anymore then I want to play games that are great for terminally insulting Holocaust victims and families touched by that genocide. You may find this a myopic and shallow view of issues near and dear to your heart, but as people are different with different life experiences and educational backgrounds, you know damn well this is always going to be the case. I find all too many people don't have near enough concern for environmental issues of all kinds, but I don't pick on the ones I feel an easy target for abuse to take my frustrations out on because of that. I have clearly and repeatedly said I listen to what people say in here, and I respect the intentions people have with their messages - especially pet ones - but I do not buy into them without a great deal of thought, research and experience that tells me what they say is true. That is just how it is.
The two jurisdictions cannot be mixed. And it is from this that there arises much confusion. They can be mixed and are every day--its called concurrent jurisdiction. There is not that much confusion. Whether federal jurisdiction or state jurisdiction attaches and/or which jurisdiction's law takes precedence is generally well settled. The US Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. The US Supreme Court is the court of last resort in the United States. In some situations, a state Supreme Court is the court of last resort. This all seems to be much ado about nothing. The focus of concerned Americans should be on removing the traitors and idiots, special interests, and a particular foreign country running the American federal government AND geeting government to recognize, enforce and follow laws which are on the books. And, I'll say again: Richard's proposed amendment makes NO sense to me.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
And I don't disagree with that. And the federal judiciary has abused and tortured the Commerce Clause in this effort. Perhaps Richard's goals would be served by merely re-affirming the Ninth and Tenth Amendments which were descimated--effectively repealed by military action/violence 1860-1865.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
Love that quote, BTW.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
I've followed your postings for years on forums and have noticed the consistancy with which you present yourself and your ideas. Why someone would try to discredit you is not only offtopic, but is suspect in itself.
Concurrent means they exist side by side. Generally speaking, they do not mix. But, FEDGOV has been trying to mix them more and more as is shown by the attempts to federalize crimes which should be solely in state jurisdiction. You know what I mean, all of this baloney about hate crimes and other nonsense. But, I was referring also to the two concurrent federal jurisdictions, rather than the state and federal jurisdictions. That is where there is real confusion since the word state is used in both but there are two meanings.
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
Thank you for the kind words. I understand why he is engaged in sport of this nature. I was the short, skinny shy type who got bullied in school. I survived because I am stronger and smarter then they were. The serendipity of the experience of dealing with bullies is spoken in that old saw, "If something doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger." I have quite enough tempering, strength both physical and intellectually to handle small fry like AngelSpawn who does his work behind an anonymous account name. He is trying to get me to vent in rage right now. Unfortunately for him, I am wise to the game. I am even appreciative too. You see, he proves definitively that his passion for Jew hating and baiting has more the malicious intent of bullying behind it then intellectual or factual basis. He proves he is only in it to cause grief, not promote social or political justice. I no longer have to give his viewpoint the benefit of doubt, and I won't. ;-)
Michael McCarthy The above is an E mail I sent to Christine today. I feel it beneath my dignity to respond to McCarthyistic accusations that once denied are attacked with even greater fervor and maliciousness when the baiter thinks they have smelled blood. It was sent to her under the auspices as a legal notice, as I do not like the revolting games of accuse then attack the denial when the baiter thinks they have someone on the defensive. I post it here solely at her suggestion. This game is why the alleged question in good faith regarding alleged ADL training of police in this country I ignore is not in good faith. It is why I look down my nose at it. I recognize the game. I have only seen it played a million times over the years online in different forums. And yes, it always amazes me people do this and then act like they invented a new and original game. As for that training, I have no idea whether or not it exists, I do not have a clue what they teach if in fact they do, and furthermore, at this point I don't give a damn what they are doing. I don't know anyone in or associated with the ADL, and I have never gotten any indication they know who I am.
Your dishonesty is quite glaring.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo "I am not in here so many years using my own name because I am in the business of lying to anyone anyplace on the Internet I've been." Ferret Mike I rest my case, here is the response I predicted would come in answer to anything I say. ;-)
The ADL's training of jackboots is a fact, not "alleged".
The ADL is training the New Gestapo "I am not in here so many years using my own name because I am in the business of lying to anyone anyplace on the Internet I've been." Ferret Mike I don't care what you allege. It is your problem, go find another mark. I am not playing your silly game.
So from Richard's PM and the statement above, I garner more enlightenment. There is, according to Richard and BTP as well, two concurrent federal jurisdictions: one up front and out in the open and one, ostensibly, behind the scenes really running the show, extraconstituional, so to speak. First off, I do not necessarily disagree that there is a shadow government: the Big Business Elite and Zionists who are calling the shots. In fact, that is probably the case. However, that such rises to the level of an "official" secondary, parallel federal government, I am dubious. That the enactment of Richard's proposed contitutional language would expose and bring this secondary federal jurisdiction to a halt, I am MUCH more skeptical (laughing is more like it). After all, do you all really think these people would be worried about a change in the constitution's wording: "Well, it's been amended boys, time to close up shop." Oh yeah, the Zionists and thier ass kissing lackeys in the American federal government would be sure to say that. Do you really need reminding of how Bush, et. al., regard the US Constitution?? ACK. ACK. GAG. GAG. No, we don't need no constitutional amendments. We need no more laws. What is needed is an informed citizenry who shall no longer tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption and the influence and control of a small cult centered in Israel over and in Washington, DC. The typical and far too numerous apathetic, un- and mis-informed, lazy, intimidated, stupid, and gullible American is the real problem. That is what needs to fixed. No more voting for anyone with an R or a D attached to thier name--more attending street corner protests--more letters to the editor--more bumper stickers--more blurting out at cocktail parties and backyard BBQs that Israel runs the US and Bush sucks--more calling into radio and TV talk shows--more telling your close friends and relatives that they are braindead MFers if they support Bush, this federal government, and/or Israel, grass roots sort of action, so to speak, again. Well...IMHO.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
bales, I couldn't agree more. *Any* attempt to deal with this system with amendments, motions and legal action is like pissing in the wind. It's gone rogue; a judge doesn't follow law, h/she follows whims. We need snipers, like the dude who put a hole a that black robed thug in Reno.
yahoo! i agree. hehehehehehe. good post, wes.
Israel has undue influence, for sure. They even have their own senator, who lost the Dem nomination, but will probably win anyway, and should have after his name (I-Israel). But they don't run our country, they just get away with murder. Sometimes literally. Otherwise, I agree with you 100 percent. Particularly the cocktail party stuff; the Repukes have managed to alter the debate so that if you attack Smirk n Snarl or their handlers, you support the terrorist, you are a bush hater, you hate Merka. These are the opinions of a small minority, but they have managed to intimidate the majority. When you mention that a cabal involving the Supreme Court and the high levels of the GOP stole the 2000 election, you're Sore Loserman. When you point out that the GOP in Florida deliberately excluded legal voters, that even Choicepoint told the GOP that innocent people were caught in their list of felons, you're a conspiracy nut. The main problem here is the so-called liberal press. The people who own the ink are almost 100 percent plutocrat Republicans, and just because most journalists are more or less like me, fiscally conservative but socially very liberal, doesn't mean that they decide what to write or edit their own stories. And the most powerful of those journalists are regularly coopted, sent to the rat warren called DC, where if you write an honest story, you no longer get the juicy gossip, the "get" that shows your boss you have the juice to get exclusive interviews (almost always anonymous and almost always dishonest). The fortunate thing is that this is a self-correcting problem. Judy Miller is now a well-paid outcast, revealed as a government dupe. Bob Woodward, after two sycophantic books, suddenly remembered that the political end of the government is generally a pack of liars, and may have saved his rapidly dwindling reputation. Others are doing public mea culpae, admitting they got seduced or intimidated by a lockstep pack of nazis.
This is basically correct. The two federal juridictions occur in how Congress writes legislation. One jurisdiction is the for federal zone and the other is for the several states. The hang up is that federal agencies administer things as if they are one and the same. They are not! This highlights the tyranny of the bureaucracy, and the ignorance and dishonesty of our public servants. Additionally, the extra-constitutional nature of the administrative laws (both state and federal) is based on the part of the constitution which says the right of contract shall not be impaired. Think about that when your drivers license is up for renewal, especially if you are not engaged in commercial activity which requires you to have one. The common law is still in effect, unless you have waived your rights under the contract. Most people have been bamboozled because the banksters have had their lackeys in government arrange things to suit their needs, collecting the debt under the bankruptcy and registering themselves and their property, which gives the state a legal interest. Much more to this than we can cover here and now. The plutocrats (banksters, CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateralists, Zionists and neocons) have been the the power behind the scenes for some time. As for the secondary, parallel government, that is only evident in the CIA black operations, from which the rogue operation which initiated and carried out the events of 9-11-2001 is based. And that could never exist without the money power behind it. The solution lies in awakening the people. We need more extremism to accomplish that task, and if that means some people get a rude awakening by some gruff conversation, better that than if they lose everything when the whole rotten mess goes down the tubes at a later date. Good post, though. Keep on 'em. ;0)
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
THERE ARE NOT TWO CONCURRENT FEDERAL JUISDICTIONS! Why is it so difficult to read and understand? This is from the letter I sent to YOU, wbales; ... that we have in this country substantially or practically two national governments ... THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE BY A FEDERAL SUPREME COURT JUSTICE! Are you going to argue with him? Do you know more than he does? And when did he say that? ONE HUNDRED AND FIVE YEARS AGO IN 1901!!!! I also sent you another law site which is, slightly older.... When is that dated, wbaled? 1819? Ring a bell? ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY-SEVEN YEARS AGO!!! Here is Rule No. 1, NOBODY IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION! Here is Rule No. 2, NOBODY IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION! Here is Rule No. 3, NOBODY IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION! Here is Rule No. 4, NOBODY IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION! Here is Rule No. 5, NOBODY IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION! Here is Rule No. 6, NOBODY IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION! Here is Rule No. 7, NOBODY IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION! Here is Rule No. 8, NOBODY IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION! Here is Rule No. 9, NOBODY IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION! Here is Rule No. 10, NOBODY IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION! Do you get it yet? Nobody is violating the Constitution, because they do not have to! From the letter that I sent to YOU; (In Downes v. Bidwell, the Court ruled that "exclusive" meant "without consideration of the Constitutional restraints...") Do you get that? The purpose of the Constitution was to establish a CITY STATE DEMOCRACY on land selected by the Jesuits, and donated by them for the purpose of establing the District of Columbia. There are two other City States in the world; the City, i.e., the City of London financial district which is separate from England and not subject to the legislature of England (Yes, I can prove it), and the Vatican...... see any possible clues here? That means that there were two SEPARATE national governments established, one, guarenteed a Repbulic, the other WITHOUT LAW and by definition, a Democracy. FROM THE BEGINNING. What was the purpose of the Civil War (See the post, The New Draft)? A City State is limited in its power by its lack of people, or, if you prefer, citizens to both tax and to fight its battles. Bingo! The so-called 14th Amendment, which was never LAWFULLY ratified, and was declared ADOPTED. If you do not understand this, see adoptive act in a legal dictionary. For reference see the so-called 16th Amndment, whcih was never LAWFULLY ratified, and was declared ADOPTED. Here is a rule; if there are two national governments, THERE ARE TWO CONSTITUTIONS! Following the Civil War, the so-claaed freed slaves were turned over to the Federal government as prize property through the 14th Amendment, when the federal government told them to take a number, or leave. Starting in 1876, 9 diget ID numbers were issed to these new slaves-of-the-state. Ummmmm, do you, Mr. wbales, happen to have a government issued 9-diget ID number? By... any.... chance? See the Post, Who Controls the United States, Part 2. Oh, and by the way, Social Security is now in 173 nations world wide (umm, not in the axis of evil nations? How odd), is controlled from The City (London) by the Crown of England, and a portion of the taxes that you pay goes to the Crown of England. See the Post, Who Controls the United States, Part II. Oh, and I quote Robin; I don´t see anything wrong with a marriage lic. (See the Post, There is no Separation of church and state). A marriage Lic. is issued for purposes of INTERMARRIAGE. When you became a United States citizen, you took on the same STATUS as a colored PERSON, and traded in your natural rights (see the Declaration of Independence) for the Civil Rights given to the new slaves-US citizens after the Civil War. Now, I understand that all of this is just mumbo-jumbo, and it has no bearing on what is going on today because it is all so old!!!!! And anyway, who cares, right? Children, are you listening? Because I repeat, no one is violating the Constitution. And yes, I understand, it is so easy to just go out and kill someone.... well, friend wbales, THEY SHOOT BACK! And any action such as that would completely polorize the people of America, and A MAJORITY OF THEM WOULD SUPPORT THE US GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND... just like you. And they are not angry, yet. And what you are talking about is what THEY want! The US government signed a population compact in the 1960s in which it is the stated purpose of the US government to reduce the population of the United States to 50 million by 2050. Go ahead, they are waiting for you to start something. And in what you want to do, A MIN. OF 25-30 MILLION WOULD DIE, most of them starving to death because you now live in a nation, the United States, which, for the first time in its history, can no longer feed itself without imports, which, I may add, are controlled by the US government. So, how do you change this, well, I was going to explain that in Who Controls the United States, Part 5, BUT I DON´T THINK SO! You do it by word-of-mouth; an educational program that goes person to person (that is a legal term, by the way), explaining what happened, why, and what is needed to change it. Will the powers-that-be stand by and accept that. Probably not, and the odds are 80% or better that you will get your Civl War II, as I would have explained in Part 5, BUT, you would begin to build a concenus by and amoung Americans, which is all that matters that we may come together against THEM, and today, that is possible because of the anger that prevades America about vote stealing, 9/11, Iraq and the rest of it. But hey, what do I know? (Do not bother telling me that I write to much; it is very difficult dealing with people who have so little knowledge and understanding. Things happening today are based on actions from the past; why is that so hard to understand?)
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
1) Can I use this defense when and if I'm ever arrested? 2) Will it work? If yes, please provide case law. G*d bless....
Hogwash and balderdash. From the Post, More Blonde Jokes II; "A canon of construction which teaches that of Congress, unless a contrary intent appears, is meant to apply only within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States." U.S. v. Spelar, 338 U.S. 217 at 222 (1949); in other words, only within the Federal Zone. (When you see a term that says ´within the United States, now you know that it is a LEGAL term and you know what it means.´) Please pay attention to the law site above, which comes from a court case. From More Blonde Jokes II; Unless expressly provided otherwise in the law itself, all laws passed by the U.S. Congress shall conclusively be presumed to apply only within the former, or first of the two jurisdictions, called the federal zone, above. That means, in the Democracy, where the restrictions of the Constitution does not apply. From More Blonde Jokes II; (In Downes v. Bidwell, the Court ruled that "exclusive" meant "without consideration of the Constitutional restraints...") THERE IS NO SHADOW GOVERNMENT!!!! ALL OF YOU ARE UNITED STATES CITIZENS!!!!! WHAT IS SO HIDDEN ABOUT THAT???????????? I GUESS I JUST DON´T GET IT!!!!!!!!!
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
GET REAL!!!!! YOU ARE A UNITED STATES CITIZEN-SLAVE!!!!!!
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
Yes.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
You don't care about fact, which is the the watermark of an apologist. In your case, it's the mark of both an ADL and a jackboot apologist.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo "I am not in here so many years using my own name because I am in the business of lying to anyone anyplace on the Internet I've been." Ferret Mike They have more influence than any other group in the country, which means they run the country by default. As Chertoff is both an Israeli and a muckety-muck in B'nai B'rith and literally has George Bush's life in his hands (Secret Service is under the aegis of Homeland Security), it makes one wonder.
The ADL is training the New Gestapo "I am not in here so many years using my own name because I am in the business of lying to anyone anyplace on the Internet I've been." Ferret Mike The Constitution is alive and quite well, thank you, and I want to show ALL of you how little you understand, EVEN WHEN THE INFORMATION IS HANDED TO YOU, BY YOUR FELLOW CHILDREN. 1. The US government is incompetent; look at how badly they are handling the War in Iraq! (Jeez. As if.) I see this theme constantly being discussed on 4um, and repeated repeated repeated repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, the important part of the info flies past all of you with hardly a notice, and, it would be the part that could be used to awaken people. 2. The US government has constantly refused to send enought soldiers to Iraq to ´get the job done.´ An action which is repeated is not an accident, and reveals INTENT. Do you understand, children? 3. On 4um, there was a post some time ago detailing a meeting with many different military officiers, including Turkish military in which a new, proposed map of the Middle East was presented BY THE US MILITARY. The Turkish military walked out of the meeting as soon as the map was presented. Why? Because the map revealed the INTENT of the US government which included carving off a part of Turkey to form the new state of the Kurds. BUT, what the new map also revealed was no-more-Iran; Iran was divided into three separate sections. Sound familiar? Because this division of Iraq can not occur without a civil war...... WOW! Boy!!! Is that US government incompetent or what?! There was also a post on 4um before about the intent of the US government to turn Bagdad into a new City State..... well, let me see.... Bagdad..... ummmmm... See the post, Masonary is a Religion. See the post, The Talmud Unmasked. Ummm, what is the federal code? Oh, right, according to BTP Holdings, the Law Merchant, and he is correct, but.... the Law Merchant is the merchant law of Babylon brought forward through Rome and incorporated within the Federal Zone. Oh, yes, I forgot, Bagdad IS the location of old Babylon. so for the purposes of religion, Bagdad IS Babylon. It is The Babylonian Talmud, and if you read the post, Masonry is a Religion, you will find that the Masons are the keepers of the Mysteries (their words, not mine) of Nimrod, who.... oh right, was King of Babylon and the founder of the Mystery Religion (and worshipped throughout the ages of the world as Baal, Marduk, and the Sun; anyone care to worship on the day of the Sun? You know, Sun-day?), and the Mystery Religion of Babylon is the religion of the Roman church named catholic, or, universal. See the book, Two Babylons, but hey, what do I know.
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
You and I must be in a race to see who can get the thickest FBI file, and be placed on every list from the no-fly list to the red roundup list to the "arkanside" list simultaneously.
And just because this little fella has a bogeyman view of them does not mean I have to as well.
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
I was a Special Operations Communication Sergeant.
#60. To: Cynicom (#59)
(Edited)
"It is difficult if not impossible to reconcile your stated background with being a staunch supporter of an anti-American group such as the ADL."
#61. To: BTP Holdings, christine (#48)
Hence, the federal government is foreign to that of the states.
#62. To: christine (#49)
this is my understanding as well, but the feds are more and more blatantly and egregiously ignoring the lines/laws which separate jurisdiction just as it is becoming apparent that there is little to no separation of the three branches of government.
#63. To: BTP Holdings (#30)
"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave, and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature." James Garfield
#64. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
#65. To: wbales (#61)
They can be mixed and are every day--its called concurrent jurisdiction. There is not that much confusion. Whether federal jurisdiction or state jurisdiction attaches and/or which jurisdiction's law takes precedence is generally well settled.
#66. To: angle, AngelSpawn, christine (#64)
"I've followed your postings for years on forums and have noticed the consistency with which you present yourself and your ideas. Why someone would try to discredit you is not only off topic, but is suspect in itself."
#67. To: all, Cynicom, AngelSpawn, christine (#59)
(Edited)
I Michael McCarthy have never engaged in negotiation with, or worked for the ADL in any manner. I have zero knowledge of even the names of a single person in that organization.
#68. To: Ferret Mike, christine, Cynicom (#67)
alleged ADL training of police in this country
#69. To: christine (#68)
#70. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
#71. To: AngelSpawn (#70)
"The ADL's training of jackboots is a fact, not "alleged"."
#72. To: BTP Holdings, christine, richard9151, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, Neil McIver (#65)
But, I was referring also to the two concurrent federal jurisdictions, rather than the state and federal jurisdictions. That is where there is real confusion since the word state is used in both but there are two meanings.
#73. To: wbales (#72)
That the enactment of Richard's proposed contitutional language would expose and bring this secondary federal jurisdiction to a halt, I am MUCH more skeptical (laughing is more like it).
#74. To: wbales (#72)
--more telling your close friends and relatives that they are braindead MFers if they support Bush, this federal government,
#75. To: wbales (#72)
No more voting for anyone with an R or a D attached to thier name--more attending street corner protests--more letters to the editor--more bumper stickers--more blurting out at cocktail parties and backyard BBQs that Israel runs the US and Bush sucks--more calling into radio and TV talk shows--more telling your close friends and relatives that they are braindead MFers if they support Bush, this federal government, and/or Israel, grass roots sort of action, so to speak, again.
#76. To: wbales, christine, All (#72)
There is, according to Richard and BTP as well, two concurrent federal jurisdictions: one up front and out in the open and one, ostensibly, behind the scenes really running the show, extraconstituional, so to speak.
First off, I do not necessarily disagree that there is a shadow government: the Big Business Elite and Zionists who are calling the shots. In fact, that is probably the case. However, that such rises to the level of an "official" secondary, parallel federal government, I am dubious.
#77. To: wbales, Tausero, BTP Holdings, christine, jessejane, RickyJ, mehtable, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, Neil McIver, lodwick, angel, AngelSpawn, , range, all (#72)
two concurrent federal jurisdictions:
#78. To: richard9151 (#77)
The purpose of the Constitution was to establish a CITY STATE DEMOCRACY on land selected by the Jesuits,
#79. To: BTP Holdings, wbales, Tausero, christine, jessejane, RickyJ, mehtable, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, Neil McIver, lodwick, angel, AngelSpawn, , range, all (#76)
The two federal juridictions occur in how Congress writes legislation.
#80. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
Can I use this defense when and if I'm ever arrested?
#81. To: richard9151 (#77)
Are you going to argue with him?
#82. To: Ferret Mike (#71)
I don't care what you allege.
#83. To: Mekons4 (#75)
But they don't run our country, they just get away with murder.
#84. To: Neil McIver, BTP Holdings, wbales, Tausero, christine, jessejane, RickyJ, mehtable, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, lodwick, angel, AngelSpawn, , range, all (#0)
Dead Constitution
#85. To: Jethro Tull (#73)
Any* attempt to deal with this system with amendments, motions and legal action is like pissing in the wind. It's gone rogue; a judge doesn't follow law, h/she follows whims. We need snipers, like the dude who put a hole a that black robed thug in Reno.
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#86. To: IndieTX, Jethro Tull (#85)
LOL!! So many lists, so little time.
You and I must be in a race to see who can get the thickest FBI file, and be placed on every list from the no-fly list to the red roundup list to the "arkanside" list simultaneously.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
#87. To: richard9151 (#84)
I think you should further complicate your position by quoting passages from Don Quixote de la Mancha.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
#88. To: IndieTX (#85)
i know a few others who are in that race :P
#89. To: richard9151 (#84)
i'm not disputing that what you've posted is factual, but it sure seems to me that it's pretty damn futile to try to fight a centuries old conspiracy, especially if you believe bible prophesy that this is all going to happen.
#90. To: Neil McIver (#0)
For all the "security" budgets, the new Gestapo has to justify their existence. All the post 9-11 bullshit is a massive spending frenzy, with hooked-up entities grabbing millions, like they were pennies.
#91. To: richard9151, Christine, Aristeides, Honway, Critter, All (#84)
DickeyBird, You are so full of shit - your breath must stink!
#92. To: BTP Holdings, wbales, Tausero, christine, jessejane, RickyJ, mehtable, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, Neil McIver, lodwick, angel, AngelSpawn, , range, all (#81)
Interesting. Yes, indeed. Does that indicate stupibity, arguing with established judical case law which goes back 187 years to 1819, or, just disinformation? I have seen in 4um references to another group, and a comment from there, about rounding up all of the posters on 4um to make the world safer, I assume (possibly for Khazar-Jews?). Now, does it make any sense to anyone in 4um that those kinds of comments are being made.... or are there going to be monitors placed here to keep track..... oh, and by the way, to mislead, misdirect, misinform, confuse, prevent consensus, keep the BS rolling, and generally, make sure that nothing constructive is accomplished? Now, to anyone in 4um, does it make any sense to argue with a Supreme Court justice and what he wrote 105 years ago, and which has never and can never be overturned? Or, is it just disinformation, just as when wbales writes about killing people; now, is that a solution, or, incitment? Because this is what is taught in Jesuit universities;how to control debate and focus the debate in construtive directions (constructive for them; not us). I will leave the judgement to you as to what is going on. And, is bwales the only one? Probably not. Debating techniques include covering over positions that are not defenceable. For instance, in the post, Freemasonry is a religion, I posted this; "…The apex of our teachings has been the rituals of MORALS AND DOGMA, written over a century ago…" (15) Time-out; before anyone argues with this; go here: http://bessel.org/bkrevs.htm MLC - Masonic Leadership Center web page of Masonic Book Reviews (You will note above that this is a Masonic center; not a figment of my imagination, right?) The information on this web page was prepared by Paul M. Bessel, Executive Secretary of the Masonic Leadership Center. It is an attempt to compile the locations of all reviews of Masonic books, as well as links to reviews of Masonic books on the Internet, plus texts of Masonic books on the Internet. I will try to add to it regularly, to include current reviews of Masonic books and reviews from the past, too. If anyone wants to send me email, especially if any of the information on this chart is not correct or if you know of additional information that should be included, please send me email by clicking on my name: Paul M. Bessel Albert Pike, by Fred W. Allsopp (1928) Bro. Wilson's abstract: Learn what made this ‘best loved of all Freemasons’ the remarkable man he was. Albert Pike: The Man Beyond the Monument, by Jim Tresner review by Wallace McLeod in The Royal Arch Mason, Spring 1996 review by Thomas W. Jackson in The Northern Light, February 1996 Morals and Dogma, by Albert Pike review on the Internet I did this because SKYDRIFTER told me that Albert Pike is no longer a guiding light of Masonry; above: Albert Pike, by Fred W. Allsopp (1928) Bro. Wilson's abstract: Learn what made this ‘best loved of all Freemasons’ the remarkable man he was. in the post, Freemasonry is a religion, we find this; Many of the rank and file of Freemasonry continue to insist that Freemasonry is not a religion. However, their own writings contradict these assertions. Albert Pike, Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite (1860), recorded: "Every lodge is a temple of religion, and its teaching instruction in religion." (13) To what religion was Pike making reference? His own words offer all the clarification needed: "Masonry is the successor to the Mysteries." (14) Many modern Masons have tried to distance themselves from Pike and his gnostic (highly occultic) work, MORALS AND DOGMA. They insist that his teachings are not that of Masonry, but merely his personal beliefs. They further insist that modern, benevolent Masonry should not be judged by writings over 100 years old. This line of reasoning is very confusing to those who recognize the Legend of Hiram Abiff is supposedly almost 3000 years old. Are not the claims of Masonry said to have originated at the time of Solomon? Are all claims and teachings prior to the 20th Century now null and void? Does this also negate the 32 degrees of the Scottish Rite designed by Pike? Furthermore, as recently as 1989, Scottish Rite Grand Commander, C. Fred Kleinknecht wrote: "…The apex of our teachings has been the rituals of MORALS AND DOGMA, written over a century ago…" (15) To which SKYDRIFTER replies; Anyone who knows anything about Pike knows that he was a unique scholar of languages. For example, he claimed to be Lucifer - in the context of the "...bringer of Light" (knowledge and truth) - as opposed to being the devil. (Yeah, right, double-speak is alive and well, that is exactly what Lucifer claimed he brought to the world.) SKYDRIFTR also said; In any case, Pike's personal opinion of the late 1800s has no overwhelming bearing on what's true in the 21st century; whether you approve or not. I suggest that those of you who do not understand, go back and read what I copied above from the post Freemasonry is a Religion about Albert Pike. Then: ... ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOR ARE THE SONS OF GOD!! Manly Hall revealed the opposite position of Freemasonry when he wrote: "To the altar of Freemasonry all men bring their most votive offerings. Around it all men, whether they have received their teachings from Confucius, Zoroaster, Moses, Mohammed, or the founder of the Christian Religion (note he does not name the name of Jesus –ed.), just as long as they believe in the universality of the of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man …. meet upon a common level." (26) Another Freemason, Albert Mackey, records: "Now as Masons we divide not between these (Ashteroth, Vishnu, Dagon, Baal) but take all in as our Brethren, and the One God as our Heavenly Father, revealed to us as such in The Light of Masonry." (27) Mackey here not only reiterates the heresy of Universality, but also raises a more serious question: What "god" is this that allows acceptance of the followers of Baal and these other pagan deities as brethren? This is certainly not the God of the Bible. (Incidentally, the god Baal was a Canaanite corruption of the Babylonian god Bacchus, who was directly derived from Tammuz, the son of the widow of Nimrod.) (28) God, in the Old Testament commanded Israel to completely annihilate the followers of Baal. This is from two very famous Masons, Albert MacKey, and Manley Hall, but SKYDRIFTER leaves this alone, because the last time he lied to me, I slapped him with the info about Albert Pike. Now, go to the very same sight where I found the info on Pike; http://bessel.org/bkrevs.htm We find: Freemasonry of the Ancient Egyptians, by Manly P. Hall Bro. Wilson's abstract: Attempts to unravel the Masonic mysteries of Egypt. Includes a drama – The Initiation of Plato – and an interpretation of CRATA REPOA. Oh, and for those of you still confused, you can also find; Pillars of Wisdom: The Writings of Albert Pike, by Dr. Rex R. Hutchens Our Masonic Presidents, by L. Randall Rogers Notes on the Scientific and Religious Mysteries of Antiquity, by John Yarker (1872) Bro. Wilson's abstract: Gnosis and secret schools of the middle ages, modern Rosicrucians, and the various degrees of Freemasonry. Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry (revised edition with supplement by Harry L. Haywood) review by Harold V.B. Voorhis in The Philalethes, October 1965 review by L.E. W. in The Philalethes, October-November, 1949 Mackey's History of Freemasonry Mackey’s Revised History of Freemasonry, by Robert I. Clegg (The Masonic History Co.; New York, NY; 1922) / 7 volumes Bro. Wilson's abstract: Clear, complete, compact, thoroughly revised, enlarged and brought up to date [1921]. An invaluable resource for libraries and students. A Life of Albert Pike, by Walter Lee Brown review by Jim Tresner in The Scottish Rite Journal, October 1997 review by Wallace McLeod in The Philalethes, February 1998 Life Story of Albert Pike, by Fred W. Allsopp G. Washington: Master Mason information on the Internet about this book review by Alphonse Cerza in The Northern Light, January 1982 General Albert Pike, by Fred W. Allsopp (1928) Bro. Wilson's abstract: The story of the man who revitalized the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite and brought it from obscurity to prominence. George Washington in New York, by Allan Boudreau and Alexander Bleimann review by Wallace McLeod in The Royal Arch Mason, Spring 1991 review by Thomas W. Jackson in The Northern Light, May 1991 The George Washington Masonic National Memorial, by William A. Brown review by Alphonse Cerza in The Northern Light, June 1980 A Glossary to Morals and Dogma, by Rex R. Hutchens review by Jim Tresner in The Scottish Rite Journal, August 1998 And on and on and on. But judge for yourself as to what is going on, and act accordingly, because, hey, what do I know.
Yes
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
#93. To: christine (#89)
So, you also advocate the position of bwales that it is better to pot that black robed ... um, whatever, in Reno, than work for a solution? Am I correct? Because what wbales is doing is called incitement. That is a crime. Within the United States, of course, so, is this the solution that you also advocate? Because I do not. I NEVER want to pick up a gun and go after someone. EVER! I do not even own a gun anymore, and I have no intention of ever owning one again. Do I believe Bible prophesy, yes, I do, and I also believe what the Bible says about no man knowing the time of His coming. So, do I stop and wait? Don´t think so. But that is just me. You´all do as you see best, because hey, what do I know.
i'm not disputing that what you've posted is factual, but it sure seems to me that it's pretty damn futile to try to fight a centuries old conspiracy, especially if you believe bible prophesy that this is all going to happen
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
#94. To: richard9151, Christine, Aristeides, Honway, Critter, BTP Holdings, wbales, Tauzero, christine, jessejane, RickyJ, mehitable, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, Neil McIver, lodwick, angel, AngelSpawn, , randge, all (#92)
DickeyBird, If the Masons had any power, I'd still be flying airliners.
It's that simple. What's this PSYOPS distraction of yours about? "Don't
look at Bush?" This is the 21st Century; what are the Masons up to, worthy
of your pathological attack? Well....? Whose "Agent" are you, anyway.
Clearly you've been to "Disinformation School." Are you "BAC," by another name?
Are you assigned to stir up Anti-Semitism, so as to flag targets for the
ADL? What's your "mission?" You can tell us.
#95. To: wbales (#87)
No, don´t think so... I was kind of saving that for you, cause it would make more sense than anything else you have had to say.
I think you should further complicate your position by quoting passages from Don Quixote de la Mancha.
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
#96. To: SKYDRIFTER (#94)
Exposing such as you, of course, one-legged-man. And putting some sense into the non-sense. God Bless, all
What's your "mission?" You can tell us.
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
#97. To: richard9151 (#92)
Under Stare Decisis past court rulings become precedent and these decisions determine subsequent legal decisions. All legal precedents are subject to being overturned or modified thus argument concerning past legal decisions is quite germane and proper and is a common function of our legal system. Arguing religion based on harebrained maps and religious doctrine and writings is quite a different thing. You are arguing apples and oranges.
"Does that indicate stupidity, arguing with established judicial case law which goes back 187 years to 1819, or, just disinformation?"
#98. To: richard9151, Christine, Aristeides, Honway, Critter, BTP Holdings, wbales, Tausero, christine, jessejane, RickyJ, mehtable, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, Neil McIver, lodwick, angel, AngelSpawn, , range, all (#92)
According to your irrational rantings, DickeyBird (BAC?); you are really fucked up. This is the 21st Century, what of Masons today? Washington was a Mason & used to own slaves. Did you leave that out? (Shame on you, DickeyBird!) Welcome to the 21st Century - what's new, in the Masonic world? Or, take me - as a Mason. Look to my pleas to return to the "Proud America." How bad can Masons be? Look to my 9-11 Web Site. http://home.comcast.net/~skyd rifter/exp.htm That's a lot of risk-taking, in my attempts to restore "Proud America." Does that make me - or "Masons" bad? Where's your contribution, versus your whining and rantings?
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