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Title: Government thugs handcuff children, kill dog during $60 marijuana raid
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Published: Sep 28, 2006
Author: Rob Kampia
Post Date: 2006-10-02 17:19:33 by Neil McIver
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I want to share with you a recent horrifying example of our government's war on marijuana users. Get ready to be outraged. The following is an excerpt from a September 20 article in the "Times Union" in Albany, New York: "A police strike team raided a woman's Prospect Street apartment and handcuffed her children and killed her dog early Tuesday in a $60 pot bust. The woman called it excessive force and a case of mistaken identity, but officers said they stormed the home for a good reason: One of her sons was selling marijuana there. The Police Department's tactical squad knocked down the front door of the upstairs apartment at 110 Prospect St. and flooded into the apartment shortly after 6 a.m. 'I heard a big boom. My first reaction was to jump out of bed. We were trying to find where our kids were at and all of a sudden we had guns in our faces,' said 40-year-old Anita Woodyear, who rents the second-floor flat. During the ensuing chaos, police handcuffed two of the woman's children, Elijah Bradley, 11, and 12-year-old Victoria Perez, and shot at her dog in the kitchen before killing it in the bathroom, Woodyear said. 'That seems like an awful lot of firepower for marijuana,' said Fred Clark of the Schenectady chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. 'That's like spending $125,000 for $5.' Woodyear said she suspected police had intended to search a neighboring home, but had the wrong address on the search warrant. Neighbors said they suspect illicit drugs are dealt at other homes on the block. 'No apology, no "sorry about your dog",' she said. But police said they have no reason to apologize. They said they raided the house because Woodyear's 18-year-old son, Israel M. Bradley, sold three plastic bags of marijuana there for $40 on Sept. 15. They allege he sold two other bags of marijuana in the house for $20 on Aug. 28, they said. In addition, police said Bradley was carrying marijuana in the home on Sept. 1. 'We had the absolute right house. We had the absolute right target,' said Assistant Chief Michael Seber." Visit http://ny.mpp.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=grKMIYPGIqE&b=1773617&ct=2947891 to read the entire article. Who do the police think they're helping by breaking down the front door of a family's home, pointing guns in their faces, murdering their dog, and handcuffing the children? Was this for the good of the children? The mother? The neighborhood? No one wins -- except perhaps for the government thugs who get jacked up on the adrenaline rush that comes from threatening and persecuting others. We have to stop this madness. We have to change the laws so that government thugs no longer have the legal authority to kick in people's doors to find marijuana. If you're as outraged by the above story as I am, please turn your anger into action by helping MPP restore sense to our nation's marijuana policies. Thank you for standing with us in this important fight. Sincerely, Rob Kampia P.S. As I've mentioned in previous alerts, a major philanthropist has committed to match the first $3.5 million that MPP can raise from the rest of the planet in 2006. This means that your donation today will be doubled.
Executive Director
Marijuana Policy Project
Washington, D.C.
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#89. To: richard9151 (#84)
i'm not disputing that what you've posted is factual, but it sure seems to me that it's pretty damn futile to try to fight a centuries old conspiracy, especially if you believe bible prophesy that this is all going to happen.
For all the "security" budgets, the new Gestapo has to justify their existence. All the post 9-11 bullshit is a massive spending frenzy, with hooked-up entities grabbing millions, like they were pennies.
DickeyBird, You are so full of shit - your breath must stink!
Interesting. Yes, indeed. Does that indicate stupibity, arguing with established judical case law which goes back 187 years to 1819, or, just disinformation? I have seen in 4um references to another group, and a comment from there, about rounding up all of the posters on 4um to make the world safer, I assume (possibly for Khazar-Jews?). Now, does it make any sense to anyone in 4um that those kinds of comments are being made.... or are there going to be monitors placed here to keep track..... oh, and by the way, to mislead, misdirect, misinform, confuse, prevent consensus, keep the BS rolling, and generally, make sure that nothing constructive is accomplished? Now, to anyone in 4um, does it make any sense to argue with a Supreme Court justice and what he wrote 105 years ago, and which has never and can never be overturned? Or, is it just disinformation, just as when wbales writes about killing people; now, is that a solution, or, incitment? Because this is what is taught in Jesuit universities;how to control debate and focus the debate in construtive directions (constructive for them; not us). I will leave the judgement to you as to what is going on. And, is bwales the only one? Probably not. Debating techniques include covering over positions that are not defenceable. For instance, in the post, Freemasonry is a religion, I posted this; "…The apex of our teachings has been the rituals of MORALS AND DOGMA, written over a century ago…" (15) Time-out; before anyone argues with this; go here: http://bessel.org/bkrevs.htm MLC - Masonic Leadership Center web page of Masonic Book Reviews (You will note above that this is a Masonic center; not a figment of my imagination, right?) The information on this web page was prepared by Paul M. Bessel, Executive Secretary of the Masonic Leadership Center. It is an attempt to compile the locations of all reviews of Masonic books, as well as links to reviews of Masonic books on the Internet, plus texts of Masonic books on the Internet. I will try to add to it regularly, to include current reviews of Masonic books and reviews from the past, too. If anyone wants to send me email, especially if any of the information on this chart is not correct or if you know of additional information that should be included, please send me email by clicking on my name: Paul M. Bessel Albert Pike, by Fred W. Allsopp (1928) Bro. Wilson's abstract: Learn what made this ‘best loved of all Freemasons’ the remarkable man he was. Albert Pike: The Man Beyond the Monument, by Jim Tresner review by Wallace McLeod in The Royal Arch Mason, Spring 1996 review by Thomas W. Jackson in The Northern Light, February 1996 Morals and Dogma, by Albert Pike review on the Internet I did this because SKYDRIFTER told me that Albert Pike is no longer a guiding light of Masonry; above: Albert Pike, by Fred W. Allsopp (1928) Bro. Wilson's abstract: Learn what made this ‘best loved of all Freemasons’ the remarkable man he was. in the post, Freemasonry is a religion, we find this; Many of the rank and file of Freemasonry continue to insist that Freemasonry is not a religion. However, their own writings contradict these assertions. Albert Pike, Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite (1860), recorded: "Every lodge is a temple of religion, and its teaching instruction in religion." (13) To what religion was Pike making reference? His own words offer all the clarification needed: "Masonry is the successor to the Mysteries." (14) Many modern Masons have tried to distance themselves from Pike and his gnostic (highly occultic) work, MORALS AND DOGMA. They insist that his teachings are not that of Masonry, but merely his personal beliefs. They further insist that modern, benevolent Masonry should not be judged by writings over 100 years old. This line of reasoning is very confusing to those who recognize the Legend of Hiram Abiff is supposedly almost 3000 years old. Are not the claims of Masonry said to have originated at the time of Solomon? Are all claims and teachings prior to the 20th Century now null and void? Does this also negate the 32 degrees of the Scottish Rite designed by Pike? Furthermore, as recently as 1989, Scottish Rite Grand Commander, C. Fred Kleinknecht wrote: "…The apex of our teachings has been the rituals of MORALS AND DOGMA, written over a century ago…" (15) To which SKYDRIFTER replies; Anyone who knows anything about Pike knows that he was a unique scholar of languages. For example, he claimed to be Lucifer - in the context of the "...bringer of Light" (knowledge and truth) - as opposed to being the devil. (Yeah, right, double-speak is alive and well, that is exactly what Lucifer claimed he brought to the world.) SKYDRIFTR also said; In any case, Pike's personal opinion of the late 1800s has no overwhelming bearing on what's true in the 21st century; whether you approve or not. I suggest that those of you who do not understand, go back and read what I copied above from the post Freemasonry is a Religion about Albert Pike. Then: ... ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOR ARE THE SONS OF GOD!! Manly Hall revealed the opposite position of Freemasonry when he wrote: "To the altar of Freemasonry all men bring their most votive offerings. Around it all men, whether they have received their teachings from Confucius, Zoroaster, Moses, Mohammed, or the founder of the Christian Religion (note he does not name the name of Jesus –ed.), just as long as they believe in the universality of the of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man …. meet upon a common level." (26) Another Freemason, Albert Mackey, records: "Now as Masons we divide not between these (Ashteroth, Vishnu, Dagon, Baal) but take all in as our Brethren, and the One God as our Heavenly Father, revealed to us as such in The Light of Masonry." (27) Mackey here not only reiterates the heresy of Universality, but also raises a more serious question: What "god" is this that allows acceptance of the followers of Baal and these other pagan deities as brethren? This is certainly not the God of the Bible. (Incidentally, the god Baal was a Canaanite corruption of the Babylonian god Bacchus, who was directly derived from Tammuz, the son of the widow of Nimrod.) (28) God, in the Old Testament commanded Israel to completely annihilate the followers of Baal. This is from two very famous Masons, Albert MacKey, and Manley Hall, but SKYDRIFTER leaves this alone, because the last time he lied to me, I slapped him with the info about Albert Pike. Now, go to the very same sight where I found the info on Pike; http://bessel.org/bkrevs.htm We find: Freemasonry of the Ancient Egyptians, by Manly P. Hall Bro. Wilson's abstract: Attempts to unravel the Masonic mysteries of Egypt. Includes a drama – The Initiation of Plato – and an interpretation of CRATA REPOA. Oh, and for those of you still confused, you can also find; Pillars of Wisdom: The Writings of Albert Pike, by Dr. Rex R. Hutchens Our Masonic Presidents, by L. Randall Rogers Notes on the Scientific and Religious Mysteries of Antiquity, by John Yarker (1872) Bro. Wilson's abstract: Gnosis and secret schools of the middle ages, modern Rosicrucians, and the various degrees of Freemasonry. Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry (revised edition with supplement by Harry L. Haywood) review by Harold V.B. Voorhis in The Philalethes, October 1965 review by L.E. W. in The Philalethes, October-November, 1949 Mackey's History of Freemasonry Mackey’s Revised History of Freemasonry, by Robert I. Clegg (The Masonic History Co.; New York, NY; 1922) / 7 volumes Bro. Wilson's abstract: Clear, complete, compact, thoroughly revised, enlarged and brought up to date [1921]. An invaluable resource for libraries and students. A Life of Albert Pike, by Walter Lee Brown review by Jim Tresner in The Scottish Rite Journal, October 1997 review by Wallace McLeod in The Philalethes, February 1998 Life Story of Albert Pike, by Fred W. Allsopp G. Washington: Master Mason information on the Internet about this book review by Alphonse Cerza in The Northern Light, January 1982 General Albert Pike, by Fred W. Allsopp (1928) Bro. Wilson's abstract: The story of the man who revitalized the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite and brought it from obscurity to prominence. George Washington in New York, by Allan Boudreau and Alexander Bleimann review by Wallace McLeod in The Royal Arch Mason, Spring 1991 review by Thomas W. Jackson in The Northern Light, May 1991 The George Washington Masonic National Memorial, by William A. Brown review by Alphonse Cerza in The Northern Light, June 1980 A Glossary to Morals and Dogma, by Rex R. Hutchens review by Jim Tresner in The Scottish Rite Journal, August 1998 And on and on and on. But judge for yourself as to what is going on, and act accordingly, because, hey, what do I know.
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
So, you also advocate the position of bwales that it is better to pot that black robed ... um, whatever, in Reno, than work for a solution? Am I correct? Because what wbales is doing is called incitement. That is a crime. Within the United States, of course, so, is this the solution that you also advocate? Because I do not. I NEVER want to pick up a gun and go after someone. EVER! I do not even own a gun anymore, and I have no intention of ever owning one again. Do I believe Bible prophesy, yes, I do, and I also believe what the Bible says about no man knowing the time of His coming. So, do I stop and wait? Don´t think so. But that is just me. You´all do as you see best, because hey, what do I know.
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
DickeyBird, If the Masons had any power, I'd still be flying airliners.
It's that simple. What's this PSYOPS distraction of yours about? "Don't
look at Bush?" This is the 21st Century; what are the Masons up to, worthy
of your pathological attack? Well....? Whose "Agent" are you, anyway.
Clearly you've been to "Disinformation School." Are you "BAC," by another name?
Are you assigned to stir up Anti-Semitism, so as to flag targets for the
ADL? What's your "mission?" You can tell us.
No, don´t think so... I was kind of saving that for you, cause it would make more sense than anything else you have had to say.
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
Exposing such as you, of course, one-legged-man. And putting some sense into the non-sense. God Bless, all
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
Under Stare Decisis past court rulings become precedent and these decisions determine subsequent legal decisions. All legal precedents are subject to being overturned or modified thus argument concerning past legal decisions is quite germane and proper and is a common function of our legal system. Arguing religion based on harebrained maps and religious doctrine and writings is quite a different thing. You are arguing apples and oranges.
According to your irrational rantings, DickeyBird (BAC?); you are really fucked up. This is the 21st Century, what of Masons today? Washington was a Mason & used to own slaves. Did you leave that out? (Shame on you, DickeyBird!) Welcome to the 21st Century - what's new, in the Masonic world? Or, take me - as a Mason. Look to my pleas to return to the "Proud America." How bad can Masons be? Look to my 9-11 Web Site. http://home.comcast.net/~skyd rifter/exp.htm That's a lot of risk-taking, in my attempts to restore "Proud America." Does that make me - or "Masons" bad? Where's your contribution, versus your whining and rantings?
Arguing religion based on harebrained maps and religious doctrine and writings is quite a different thing. You are arguing apples and oranges. Right. The Dred Scott Decision of 1857 was a precedent until 1861. The challenge came when runaway slaves sought refuge in Fortress Monroe, VA and the commanding officer, one Major General Benjamin Butler (aka Beastly Ben, aka "Spoons" for his habit of pilfering silverware at dinner parties) granted the slaves sanctuary. And it was a Connecticut jury that essentially buried the fugitive slave law by simply refusing to convict. Footnote: This was the same Maj. Gen Butler who issued the infamous General Order #28.
Thanks much for that nugget of the day.
You didn't answer my question. What defense do I use if I'm arrested? Also, please show this forum where such a defense has achieved success. G*d bless you.
You must be a Confederate. My Yankee buddies don't find it all that amusing! ;)
Jim is one of the many reasons I wish the South had won.
What are you talking about?? Direct me to that specific language/post.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
I wrote no such thing. And since there is no idiot block, I'll have to just put you on my BOZO list.
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
not wise at all, imo. i posted to you the other day that i don't believe anything short of a complete economic collapse will work to wake up the american people in a critical enough number to effect a massive change. when/if that happens, there's going to be total chaos and it's going to be pretty much survival of the fittest. i, for one, want to insure that i have everything possible to defend myself. and i'll tell you what, it's government agents i fear doing me and mine harm much moreso than common street thugs.
Besides generally making no sense, at least part of his mission was to mis-read posts, mis-attribute comments to me and get placed on my BOZO list. Mission Accomplished
In 1947, the UN created a perpetual war and named it Israel.
Be gentle...richard is offering us salvation from the safety of Mexico City. I for one am grateful for his wisdom :)
LOL!
#90. To: Neil McIver (#0)
#91. To: richard9151, Christine, Aristeides, Honway, Critter, All (#84)
#92. To: BTP Holdings, wbales, Tausero, christine, jessejane, RickyJ, mehtable, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, Neil McIver, lodwick, angel, AngelSpawn, , range, all (#81)
Yes
#93. To: christine (#89)
i'm not disputing that what you've posted is factual, but it sure seems to me that it's pretty damn futile to try to fight a centuries old conspiracy, especially if you believe bible prophesy that this is all going to happen
#94. To: richard9151, Christine, Aristeides, Honway, Critter, BTP Holdings, wbales, Tauzero, christine, jessejane, RickyJ, mehitable, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, Neil McIver, lodwick, angel, AngelSpawn, , randge, all (#92)
#95. To: wbales (#87)
I think you should further complicate your position by quoting passages from Don Quixote de la Mancha.
#96. To: SKYDRIFTER (#94)
What's your "mission?" You can tell us.
#97. To: richard9151 (#92)
"Does that indicate stupidity, arguing with established judicial case law which goes back 187 years to 1819, or, just disinformation?"
#98. To: richard9151, Christine, Aristeides, Honway, Critter, BTP Holdings, wbales, Tausero, christine, jessejane, RickyJ, mehtable, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, Neil McIver, lodwick, angel, AngelSpawn, , range, all (#92)
#99. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull, mehitable, christine, Zipporah, Diana, rowdee, ruthie, richard9151 (#97)
Under Stare Decisis past court rulings become precedent and these decisions determine subsequent legal decisions. All legal precedents are subject to being overturned or modified thus argument concerning past legal decisions is quite germane and proper and is a common function of our legal system.
#100. To: HOUNDDAWG (#99)
"Spoons" bump
#101. To: richard9151 (#80)
#102. To: lodwick (#100)
#103. To: HOUNDDAWG (#102)
(Edited)
#104. To: richard9151 (#92)
Or, is it just disinformation, just as when wbales writes about killing people; now, is that a solution, or, incitment?
#105. To: richard9151 (#92)
Or, is it just disinformation, just as when wbales writes about killing people
#106. To: richard9151 (#93)
I do not even own a gun anymore, and I have no intention of ever owning one again.
#107. To: SKYDRIFTER (#94)
What's your "mission?" You can tell us.
#108. To: SKYDRIFTER (#94)
#109. To: christine (#88)
i know a few others who are in that race :P
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#110. To: christine (#106)
christine walked up behind me, stuck a pair of .38's in my back THEN SHE PULLED OUT A GUN!" ;)
...i, for one, want to insure that i have everything possible to defend myself....
#111. To: HOUNDDAWG (#110)
One of the great mysteries I'm puzzled about these Republicans of the Mark Foley variety; why do they prefer to do the nasty with a partner with no rack, then send them off to Iraq? How is that raq preferable to knowing in fullness the other sort of rack? Not only do I not understand this, I profoundly never want to. ;-)
"christine walked up behind me, stuck a pair of .38's in my back THEN SHE PULLED OUT A GUN!"
#112. To: christine. everyone here (#106)
Locked & loaded bump.
#113. To: HOUNDDAWG. christine (#110)
What can I say? She does have formidable firepower...for sure. .45ACP BUMP!
christine walked up behind me, stuck a pair of .38's in my back THEN SHE PULLED OUT A GUN!" ;)
#114. To: Neil McIver (#0)
Perhaps they should just go straight to the Janet Reno method.
#115. To: christine (#106)
Amen to that!
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#116. To: Neil McIver, BTP Holdings, wbales, Tausero, christine, jessejane, RickyJ, mehtable, Zoroaster, robin, Eoghan, tom007, Jethro Tull, lodwick, angel, AngelSpawn, max, Phant2000, range, all (#84)
Please read number 84 first, please, and now I want to take this a little further on, and show you another way that George Bush could turn things around, in a heart beat. As you read this, remember what the President of Iran told us; that representatives of the United States government have been meeting with the leaders of the insurrection, arming them, and funding them, thus guarenteeing that a civil war would occur. I just posted a new post; Congress sets aside 20M to celebrate wars end, from AP Now, why would they do that? And, why will the Democracts NOT jump on the bank wagon against the war? Do they know something.... that you don¨t know? Bet on it. Here is a solution to the war, and it accomplishes exactly what I outlined in number 84. Already being talked about in Bagdad is the possibility of ending the sectarian violence by agreeing to partion Iran; that would be for the Shites, Kurds, and whoever the third faction is. But here is the rest of the story; you will be told, in only one or two news account, that a compromise has been reached whereby all Iraqi people will have access to Bagdad, but because of sectarian violence, Bagdad will be under the direct control of the Iraqi parliment (or whatever) WHICH WILL HAVE EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION OVER BAGDAD. It will then be explained that the three separate sections of Iraq will now be legally separate (or words to that effect), with their own school systems, own laws, own courts, and own police, etc. etc. It will also be explained that, in order to benefit the Iraqi people in general, BAGDAD WILL HAVE CONTROL OVER ALL NATURAL RESOURCES. Bingo, control of the oil. And, the Iraqi people, now split up, will no longer be able to resist what is going on. If this occurs before the election, the election will be a slam dunk for the Repub., the Dems do not look bad because they never came out against the war, and.... it paves the way for the war in Iran. I mean, who is going to argue with George Bush, when he SO obviously knows what he is doing. Right? And good-bye 9/11 problems. Who wants to hear that nonsense now when we are winning the war on terror! Oh, and the other thing that you are going to be told is how fortunate are the Iraqis, because they now have a Constitution which is modeled, more or less, after that greatest of all documents, the US Constitution. Lucky people.
The Constitution is alive and quite well, thank you,
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
#117. To: HOUNDDAWG, Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull, mehitable, christine, Zipporah, Diana, rowdee, ruthie (#99)
Absolutely correct, and if you care to examine the time frame shown, it is 4 years. I have even seen over-turns that were done after 15 years, but that is very rare. I have never seen a case that has lasted for 187 years be over- turned, and I never will; nor will I ever see a case that is 105 years old be over-turned. A case that is this old, and which has been sited in deciding 100s of other cases, is something that is set in concrete; if it were over-turned, then the ripple effect down through all of the other cases that were decided on this case would be wondrous indeed to observe. Ain´t gonna happen; can not happen, is an impossibility.
All legal precedents are subject to being overturned or modified
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
#118. To: Jethro Tull (#101)
Arrestd for what? Littering? Drunk driving? Armed robbery? Incest? A persons got to know, you know.
Also, please show this forum where such a defense has achieved success.
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
#119. To: wbales (#104)
Sorry; it was Jethro speaking TO you.
Direct me to that specific language/post.
The Talmudic Khazar-Jew dream; Christians killing Muslims and Muslims killing Christians. What could be better than that? Well, Whites killing non-Whites and non-Whites killing Whites, of course.
#120. To: richard9151, Jethro Tull (#117)
It wasn't that many years ago that an ART.3 judge ruled that Art 1 sec 10 of the constitution was "superfluous". Despite the clear constitutional mandate that "no state shall make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts", which by the way was not an afterthought because banker mischief was well known to the founders, real money is gone and debt paper has taken its place. The simple truth is, a judge may dismantle any protection you believe you have, the appeals court will uphold it and the SCOTUS will deny certiorari, and the media will paint you as a kook for having believed so strongly that the system is somehow obligated to uphold archaic laws because you invoked them.
I have never seen a case that has lasted for 187 years be over- turned, and I never will; nor will I ever see a case that is 105 years old be over-turned.
#121. To: HOUNDDAWG (#110)
34s :P
There is no week nor day nor hour when tyranny may not enter upon this country - if the people lose their confidence in themselves - and lose their roughness and spirit of defiance." - Walt Whitman
#122. To: richard9151 (#117) (Edited)
precisely. my point to you in prior posts. why is it, then, that you believe the solution is seeking the change of a few words of the 17th amendment?
A case that is this old, and which has been sited in deciding 100s of other cases, is something that is set in concrete; if it were over- turned, then the ripple effect down through all of the other cases that were decided on this case would be wondrous indeed to observe. Ain´t gonna happen; can not happen, is an impossibility.
There is no week nor day nor hour when tyranny may not enter upon this country - if the people lose their confidence in themselves - and lose their roughness and spirit of defiance." - Walt Whitman
#123. To: richard9151 (#92)
Friend, you'd probably have a lot better luck attempting to educate folks about what obviously to you is an important topic. Quite bluntly and to the point, IMO you'd attract a lot more folks if you didn't try to put the entire enclyclopedia in a single post. It's brain overload, and a wasted way to get folks really to think about and ponder over what you've taken the time to write. Personally, I believe you'd get a lot further down the pike by making a serialization of your project. Even maintain an index.........and lead folks into your project in a methodical way...one that helps them see the light step by step, or one room or container after another.....but not all at once. But this bullshit of trying to put the entire National Archives into a single posting won't cut it. There was another fella at tos2 that had an obsession on one subject--that's all he ever was concerned about. He'd get really frustrated that others just didn't jump thru hoops to go thru his posts. I often wonder if he didn't bust a gasket or something.......
#124. To: HOUNDDAWG (#99)
Goodness....you're just a walking, talking mini-cyclopedia! :) Interesting, too.
#125. To: richard9151 (#116)
Hate to burst your bubble there, richard9151...but anyone deciding anything in BagHdad about doing anything by partitioning IRAN is so full of shit! They just had to pull out a battalion of the iraqi police force because they were in cahoots with militia death squads. That means that our soldiers, and a large number of them, will be redirected into BagHdad to dodge bullets, death squads, suicide bombers as this large battalion of iraqi police have to be retrained and reconditioned and pass all sorts of loyalty tests before they can be of service---there is so way in hell they're gonna be able to get those religious sects or their militias to think about partitioning IRAN.
Already being talked about in Bagdad is the possibility of ending the sectarian violence by agreeing to partion Iran; that would be for the Shites, Kurds, and whoever the third faction is.
#126. To: richard9151 (#116)
Oh yeah.....I wanted to mention something about your constitutional amendment. Your chances of geting congresscowards to go along with that are about zippo. And if you called for a constititional convention, I, for one, would fight you every step of the way. The minute a concon is called, it is all over for sure. Positively. Overnight.
#127. To: christine (#121)
I thought you said 38s!
34s :P
#128. To: rowdee (#124)
Thanks. I grew up in Norfolk, VA, in the shadow of Fortress Monroe. It also happens to be in immediate proximity to the location where the ironclads, the USS Monitor and the CSS Virginia (Merrimack) did battle in Hampton Roads. The Civil War was a focus of interest of mine as a kid, and Gettysburg is still my favorite getaway spot. I live in Delaware now, near the fort on Pea Patch Island that served as a prison for captured Confederates. One of them was my great great uncle who fought with the 5th North Carolina and was captured at The Battle Of The Stone Wall at Gettysburg. He and 2,435 others, mostly malaria victims are buried in a mass grave across the river in New Jersey in Finn's Point National Cemetery. This is the same cemetery where Andrew Cunanan murdered the caretaker and stole his truck, then drove to FLA to murder fashion designer Gianni Versace. I visit this mass grave often. It's well maintained (including the display of crisp Confederate flags on the four corners of the gravesite) by the Fort Delaware Society. it's a shame that such a solemn place has to carry the memory of the murdering psycho gay prostitute.
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