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Title: Limbaugh defends pedophilia
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Published: Oct 3, 2006
Author: Mehitable posted it over there without h
Post Date: 2006-10-03 11:32:44 by bluedogtxn
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From the October 2 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show:
LIMBAUGH: I'm just thinking out loud here. What if somebody got to the page and said, you know, we want you to set Foley up. We need to do a little titillating thing here. Keep it and save it and so forth. How would you get a kid to do that? Yeah, who knows? You threaten him or pay him. There's any number of ways given the kind of people that we're dealing with and talking about here.
Now, folks, I don't want to be misunderstood here. I'm not trying to mount any kind of a defense. That's a bad word. I'm not trying to get into a defense of what Mark Foley did. Please don't misunderstand. I'm just telling you that the -- the -- the orgy and the orgasm that has been taking place in the media since Friday and with the Democrats is -- it's all coordinated, and it's all -- it's all oriented toward the election. There's no concern about the kid -- no concern about the children.
There is -- there is -- there's not even any real problem with what Foley did, as we've discussed.
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#31. To: scrapper2 (#30)
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Foley's IM's/email's, while "tittilating" to quote El Rushbow, are not showing Foley to be offering the intern $ for sex. And as to the issue of sexual harrassment, Foley was not the employer of the interns. Utterly irrelevant. This is what FR is pushing out now. Foley was soliciting sex with a minor on the internet under the applicable Federal Law. Foley was the acting supervisor of the intern. Money for sex is just another red herring from FreeRepublic. If you solicit a kid for sex, it is not necessary for money to change hands to support the charge.
nah, language is a tool. look, if you state in an article that 'rep foley sought to sodomize young pages' it has one effect. if you were to say 'rep foley sought to assbang young pages' it has a completely different, more powerful effect. one that will get the bluehaired bible thumping bitches off their asses in outrage. part of our biggest problem is not calling things what people understand them to mean. balls. the biggest bunch of horseshit in washington is these pukes saying 'he may have been inaccurate' when the thing they should be saying is 'he's a liar'. no one wants to call things what they are because of civility or whatever. look, dressing it up in non specific terms does nothing for truth. foley wanted to have sex with, fellate, whatever the hell you want to call it, with these kids. only lawyers want to gild a turd.
To believe the world is only as you think it is, is stupid. ~Don Juan Matos, Journey to Ixtlan, Carlos Casteneda
For those who care; Hastert will be 'circling the wagons' on Limbaugh's show at 1:30...should be great theatre.
the funny thing is is that limbaugh is destroying any credibility he had left. he's another closet case.
To believe the world is only as you think it is, is stupid. ~Don Juan Matos, Journey to Ixtlan, Carlos Casteneda
You can't. Accordingly, he's not an honest, moral person. He's a sicko.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
yep, all that with one hand tied behind his narcotically induced deaf, viagra taking brain. what a sick bastard. gonna defend this shit, while going off on clinton for hetero sex with an of age woman. no wonder clinton said it was no big deal. he wasn't trying to buttpork sixteen year old boys.
To believe the world is only as you think it is, is stupid. ~Don Juan Matos, Journey to Ixtlan, Carlos Casteneda
This shows the amoral qualities of the "family friendly" GOP spokesmouth, Lushrimbaugh.
Age of consent in DC is 16.
#32. To: bluedogtxn (#29)
#33. To: gengis gandhi, mehitable, minerva, bluedogtxn (#32)
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#34. To: who knows what evil (#33)
#35. To: gengis gandhi (#27)
How do you set up an honest, moral person into the depths of child rape and molestation?
#36. To: bluedogtxn (#35)
#37. To: bluedogtxn (#0)
there's not even any real problem with what Foley did, as we've discussed.
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#38. To: IndieTX (#37)
Oh yeah, when he's not on some weird, freaky holiday with a bunch of guys and a big bottle of viagra, coming back from the domincan republic, or getting busted as jeff christie for soliciting a male prostitute... anyone wanna bet this son of a bitch is a pedophile too? anybody who's gonna defend this crap has got some definite twisted crap in their heads, i guarantee you that.
To believe the world is only as you think it is, is stupid. ~Don Juan Matos, Journey to Ixtlan, Carlos Casteneda
#39. To: IndieTX (#37)
I wonder how much of his audience was willing to go along with that part of his schpiel. I mean, I know they are "dittoheads"... but molesting sixteen year old boys? Tough to justify that one.
there's not even any real problem with what Foley did, as we've discussed. This shows the amoral qualities of the "family friendly" GOP spokesmouth, Lushrimbaugh.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#40. To: Minerva (#31)
Foley was soliciting sex with a minor on the internet under the applicable Federal Law. Foley was the acting supervisor of the intern. Money for sex is just another red herring from FreeRepublic. If you solicit a kid for sex, it is not necessary for money to change hands to support the charge. I am not sure what FR "is pushing." I was simply being curious about what charges a federal prosecutor could level against Foley and win in court. a) Was Foley actually soliciting sex from a minor on the internet? I'll grant you that Foley made some very suggestive lurid comments, but did Foley actually "solicit sex?" In one case - as listed in this article - even the parents of the page did not want any action taken against Foley at the time. And the kid involved thought the communications from Foley were "creepy" but that was the extent of it. b) This July the FBI received copies of the emails that Foley sent the Louisiana teenager in 2005 but the FBI chose NOT to pursue an investigation. Why do you think the FBI would not jump on this??? - perhaps because there was not enough evidence re: any crime being committed??? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/10/02/AR2006100200333.html "FBI Knew in July About Foley E-Mails to Teen" October 03, 2006 Washington Post "...The FBI acknowledged yesterday that it did not begin an investigation in late July after receiving copies of e-mails sent in 2005 by then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) to a Louisiana teenager..." c) Foley was not an "acting supervisor" of the interns. Where did you read that to be the case? d) Get your self-righteous shorts un-twisted. I am not a mindless freetard. I am not defending Foley's actions. I am only "putting out there" the possibility that it will be hard to prosecute Foley on any criminal charges and win. And this will not be because a wiley CDA is using technicalities to get Foley off. It may be that Foley's actions, while reprehensible, are not breaking any laws. Kapeesh?
Utterly irrelevant. This is what FR is pushing out now.
#41. To: bluedogtxn (#39)
Well, if foley can't find a job as a 'consultant', I'm sure he could get work from the vatican.
To believe the world is only as you think it is, is stupid. ~Don Juan Matos, Journey to Ixtlan, Carlos Casteneda
#42. To: scrapper2 (#40)
Yes, read the emails about sending pictures dressed in underwear, masturbation methods, measuring members and scheduled meetings. People are serving long sentences for much less. This July the FBI received copies of the emails that Foley sent the Louisiana teenager in 2005 but the FBI chose NOT to pursue an investigation. Why do you think the FBI would not jump on this??? - perhaps because there was not enough evidence re: any crime being committed??? This is the FR email/IM game. What the FBI did was begin an observation. This is what they always do in this situation. The original emails were probably too ambiguous for the criminal standard of proof. They would have moved on a normal person, but probably waited to get more on a powerful person such as Foley. Foley was not an "acting supervisor" of the interns. Where did you read that to be the case? They worked for Foley's office. Foley supervised the office. This rule of agency is used everyday in harassment cases. This isn't going to fool anyone. You need something else here. As you know, you don't even need the supervisor position to support a harassment claim. A co-worker or even a subordinate can do it.
a) Was Foley actually soliciting sex from a minor on the internet?
#43. To: bluedogtxn (#0)
Oh el limpo............its not a conspiracy when sharks circle the victim(s). Remember----it wasn't a conspiracy when the 'r' sharks thought they smelled clinton's blood, and indirectly the 'd's blood cause y'all thought it would be a way to eliminate more demowits? Besides, based on what I'm reading of late, anything to with boys and/or drugs wouldn't seem to bother you.
#44. To: bluedogtxn (#0)
Ain't that the truth..........I haven't heard a talking point reader discuss the children at all! It has been non-stop cover yer ass time for the 'r's.
There's no concern about the kid -- no concern about the children.
#45. To: gengis gandhi (#27)
This needs to be plastered across the supreme court building in dc, as well as all over the halls of congress! Outstanding.......and right!
How do you set up an honest, moral person into the depths of child rape and molestation?
#46. To: scrapper2, bluedogtxn (#40)
I'n not a criminal attorney, nor do I know ALL of the details about what he wrote. But I do know Foley will lose any civil case brought against him for mental anguish and harrassment. And I pray the son of a bitch gets slammed multiple times for millions of dollars. One aside...a "righteous democrat" had the nads to actually say on CBS news that "Foley should be punished by at least losing his leadership position." BWAHAHAHAHA!! Does anyone need any more proof the Drat and Rrats are butt buddies in the same club ????????????????????
It may be that Foley's actions, while reprehensible, are not breaking any laws
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#47. To: IndieTX (#46)
Like Tony Snow on CNN yesterday characterizing the case as "naughty e-mails."
a "righteous democrat" had the nads to actually say on CBS news that "Foley should be punished by at least losing his leadership position."
I've already said too much.
#48. To: scrapper2 (#40)
Here is your crime: Former Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL) interrupted a vote on the floor of the House in 2003 to engage in Internet sex with a high school student who had served as a congressional page, according to new Internet instant messages provided to ABC News by former pages.
#49. To: It Is A Republic (#9)
Amen, and I am glad to hear that!!!! Too many who call themselves Repubs or even worse - Conservatives - have been defending this indefensible conduct by Foley and those who cover for him. I'm glad to see that you have limits and principles on this issue, and want to see the same behavior condemned on both sides.
not at all..... I say while it is on the front page, get them all .......... treat them all the same ....... this happened frequently while the Dems had power and the perps were all re-elected ..... Clinton pardoned one perp (Reynolds) when he left office .... he won re-election but was convicted on 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography, was sentenced to five years in prison, then he resigned ...... he was later hired by Jesse Jackson ...... I guess that rainbow has a soft spot for underage child porn perps ....... Get them all!!!!!
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#50. To: Minerva (#42)
This is the FR email/IM game. What the FBI did was begin an observation. This is what they always do in this situation. The original emails were probably too ambiguous for the criminal standard of proof. They would have moved on a normal person, but probably waited to get more on a powerful person such as Foley. They worked for Foley's office. Foley supervised the office. This rule of agency is used everyday in harassment cases. a) Maybe those adults you refer to who were convicted committed their crimes in states where age of consent allowed prosecutors to try them as pedophiles. Age of consent laws vary by state jurisdiction, as you know. b) "The original emails were probably too ambiguous for the criminal standard of proof." Yes, that's what I said earlier. And I would suggest to you that even the IM's that Foley sent the second kid still make for a difficult case to prosecute. It's my understanding that the second kid in question - the San Diego one who got the lurid IM's - was a few weeks shy of being 18 when the IM's initially started and that the alleged contact happened with the kid AFTER he turned 18. Please consider the quotation attributed to Foley's lawyer in the Washington Post article I linked to: ..."Roth, interviewed last night on CNN, said that Foley is "absolutely, positively not a pedophile" and "has never, ever had an inappropriate sexual contact with a minor in his life." ... c) Regarding the issue of "sexual harrassment" in the work place, please consider that other pages are now challenging what Matthew Loraditch, a page in the 2001-2002 class, told ABC News regarding Foley. And Mr. Loraditch himself is now back tracking on what he alleged in the interview: Here's what Matthew says on his MyFace site: "...The fact of the matter is in an informal situation a supervisor mentioned that Foley was a bit odd or flaky and did not connote by tone or otherwise that he should be avoided..." http://www.palmbeachpost.com/state/content/state/epaper/2006/10/02/1002p age.html "Page disputes warning about Rep. Foley" October 02, 2006 d) At this point, unless other evidence is uncovered by the FBI, I think Foley's lawyer, Mr. Roth, will be able to make piece meal of the prosecutor's case, if one even comes up, with what has been uncovered thusfar. Look, Minerva, I'm just playing devil's advocate. Don't shoot the messenger.
Yes, read the emails about sending pictures dressed in underwear, masturbation methods, measuring members and scheduled meetings. People are serving long sentences for much less.
#51. To: aristeides (#20)
I stopped listening to Limbaugh after I heard him defend the torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Somebody has got quite a hold on Limbaugh, to get him going from bad to worse. And this time I doubt if much of his audience agrees with him. Beyond going against his own professional interests. He does better shows when he has Democrats in power to attack. Most of Limbaugh's audience are genuine conservatives, if somewhat dim to still be listening to him regularly at this point. They're good people though, and I'm sure they're as repelled by what is happening in Washington as I am. No amount of verbal jousting is going to remove the stain that has spread over the Republican party on this issue like something unsightly on a navy blue dress. I think you're right - they must have something big on Rush as he's apparently willing to sacrifice what's left of his career for it. Although I do think that part of the reason is that Limbaugh is probably part of this gay pedophile/chicken hawk crowd who genuinely sees nothing wrong with leching after vulnerable teenagers.
To: mehitable
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#52. To: who knows what evil (#33)
Well, I've already missed it. I'll be curious to see what the SOB said. Wish I had a bucket of rotten eggs waiting outside that studio, but then again the smell oozing from within would probably be far more ripe.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#53. To: scrapper2 (#50)
The evidence shows that Foley trolled for minors on the interet. This is a federal offense that defines the age of consent as being 18. Foley is one of the people who pushed these laws through. The evidence now shows that Foley did in fact have sex with an minor solicited on the internet. Poeple do ten years for just showing up in a McDonald's parking lot to meet the sting bait. I don't think you are going to be able to excuse Foley, even to truely faithful.
Maybe those adults you refer to who were convicted committed their crimes in states where age of consent allowed prosecutors to try them as pedophiles. Age of consent laws vary by state jurisdiction, as you know.
#54. To: Minerva (#53)
Go easy on scrapper, Minnie, he used to be a page and has brethren to defend. i.e. Just because a youngster said he had an orgasm in an IM doesn't make it so.
#55. To: Minerva (#31)
I thought they changed the meaning of age of consent to mean being only with those within your age range under 18?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#56. To: bluedogtxn (#0)
Rush Limbaugh should be fired. That's it. If you speak of pedophilia like it's a good thing, you should be fired from your job. THERE IS NOTHING GOOD ABOUT PEDOPHILES OR PEDOPHILIA. In fact, I'd be willing to wager, MR. VIAGRA LIMBAUGH and his trip to the Pedophile paradise, when he was busted for illegal prescription drugs FOR THE SECOND TIME, is just like the very sickos he defends. I hope the fucker has a coronary or goes blind from all the viagra he's taking.
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#57. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#56)
He went deaf from the Oxycontin abuse. Isn't that enough?
#58. To: bluedogtxn (#17)
Spin machine watchers know there is only 2 lines of spin they can use - 1) Why should Foley get in trouble when Dems are worse at this stuff and 2) Foley was set up by hot boys and what Republican can refuse a hot boy?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
#59. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#56)
Amen, amen. Once again you're the voice of clarity, Tommy.
I hope the fucker has a coronary or goes blind from all the viagra he's taking.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#60. To: Fred Mertz (#57)
Well they fixed his hearing, so I guess not.
| What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#61. To: Minerva, Fred Mertz (#53)
What "evidence" is there that Foley had sex with a minor solicited on the internet? I am not defending Foley. The guy is a perv, a sleazeball, and he should rot in hell. But if you believe this is a slam dunk criminal case, I think you maybe mistaken. I am not seeing any hard evidence produced that Foley had sex with a minor. a)I read that Foley sent an email to a minor asking for his picture and that the email was "creeped" out...but that the minor's parents did not want charges pressed or the case pursued at the time it happened. b) I read that Foley sent lurid IM's to a former page, who was a few weeks of 18, and that there may have been a sexual encounter AFTER the former page turned 18. Just because you wish for justice to be served against Foley in a court of law, it's not wishes that count - it's hard evidence that will do it - and I am suggesting that none may exist. There was enough impropriety for him to resign on moral and ethical grounds, but a criminal case against Foley, I'm not sure about that. And no, Fred, I am not a former page, but thank you very for asking me directly.
The evidence now shows that Foley did in fact have sex with an minor solicited on the internet.
#62. To: scrapper2 (#40)
We have a justice department headed by an AG who says torture is cool (as long as you call it something else), that junior don't need no steeenking warrants, and is now telling judges not to cross the white house...and you think he can't spike an FBI investigation into one of their own?! Am I cynical...you're damned skippy I am. But when dealing with this crowd if you're not cynical, you simply aren't paying attention.
This July the FBI received copies of the emails that Foley sent the Louisiana teenager in 2005 but the FBI chose NOT to pursue an investigation. Why do you think the FBI would not jump on this??? - perhaps because there was not enough evidence re: any crime being committed???
"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk."
#63. To: scrapper2 (#50)
Too many of those here (and everywhere it seems) read something or hear something that fits their desires and take it as fact or are just plain dishonest in their descriptions of events. As we both know Limbaugh did/does not defend pedophilia, but that is the title. He may go further than some want him to on defending the events that did happen, I have not heard him on this. The bottom line is Foley has only himself to blame. The leadership of the Repubs. who ignored or hid these events have no one but themselves to blame. The fact the morally bankrupt Dems. did it for many more years and many more times is not an excuse or reason to not do the right thing. Pointing that fact out does not mean one condones what Foley or anyone else did.
#64. To: scrapper2, aristeides (#61)
I apologize. I read something the other night that led me to believe that.
And no, Fred, I am not a former page, but thank you very for asking me directly.
#65. To: Fred Mertz, aristeides (#64)
Apology accepted, Fred. Now I must apologize to you for sounding so scrappy and snarky. Now that you mention it, on Sunday aristeides addressed a comment to me that implied this to be the case after I linked to a blog of a former intern. I did not correct him because I thought he meant my page class to be the class of pages whose names appeared on the blog I quoted from. I am still trying to figure out how to do proper cut and paste from a link so it looks more distinctly cut and paste, maybe in italic writing or something. All I can muster now with my limited techie skills is starting the cut and paste with 3 dots and quotation marks, but that's not very "distinctive." #11. To: scrapper2 (#0) I think this would be your page class. Do you happen to know John Eunice, who I think is the "John" that Foley was talking about? aristeides posted on 2006-10-01 22:01:15 ET
I apologize. I read something the other night that led me to believe that.
#66. To: Tauzero (#3)
I heard Limbaugh's program and that was my impression ... not an ounce of concern for the pages.
There's no concern about the kid -- no concern about the children.
"consensus facit legem"
"consensus makes the law"
#67. To: noone222 (#66)
You must have a stronger stomach than me, to listen to him.
About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians I must confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian population, and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen. -- Gandhi
#68. To: bluedogtxn (#0)
With no children, Limpballs is either asexual or gay. After his little out-of- the-country escapade with the Viagra, I would not be surprised if he is a pederast/pedophile. His long-time mentor was a homosexual who died of AIDS. Interesting, hm?
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)
#69. To: Tauzero (#67)
I hate Limbaugh, he's a traitor and a fag ... however, I like to know just how much bullshit america's "neo" conservative bushbots can swallow ...
"consensus facit legem"
"consensus makes the law"
#70. To: noone222 (#69)
swallow? well, some of them boys got alotta practice at that, so it could be quite a bit. limbaugh was arrested for soliciting a male prostitute in the seventies when he was djing as 'jeff christie'.
To believe the world is only as you think it is, is stupid. ~Don Juan Matos, Journey to Ixtlan, Carlos Casteneda
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