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Title: Bush will authorise this month the State assassination of Hugo Chávez
Source: Axis of Logic
URL Source: http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_23158.shtml
Published: Oct 4, 2006
Author: Heinz Dieterich
Post Date: 2006-10-08 15:42:59 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 1511
Comments: 107

Bush will authorise this month the State assassination of Hugo Chávez
By Heinz Dieterich. Translated from Spanish by Ron Ridenour
Oct 4, 2006, 14:14

Bush will authorise this month the State assassination of Hugo Chávez

By Heinz Dieterich
Translated from the Spanish by Ron Ridenour

1. The price of his anti-diabolical discourse

Hugo Chávez’s United Nations speech was the culmination of magisterial international vanguard politics, which converted George Bush into the pariah of the worldwide institution. The price for this successful spectacle—which can not be understood without the proverbial audacity of Commander-in-Chief Fidel Castro—is the authorisation of State assassination by the White House.

2. Strategic change: the institutional entanglement of political assassination

The fascist government-in-formation will not use as its legal basis for the assassination the customary verbal formula applied by United States executives for such ends—“get rid of him”—rather, it will use the terminology, “Top secret presidential finding”.

Most probably it will use proxies; for example, death squads of the Israeli secret services, which habitually assassinate citizen “enemies” in other countries.

The decision of State assassination [of the president of Venezuela] constitutes a change in White House strategy, employed since 2003, which opted for a political war of annexation by wearing out, in order to impose upon the system the replacement of the president by the right-wing of the New Political Class (NPC). This strategy aspires to gradually capitalise upon the internal weaknesses of the revolution and avoid a civil war in Venezuela, which will inevitably be unleashed with the assassination of the popular president.

Not to repeat the consequences of the State assassination of the Colombian President Jorge Eliécer Gaitán, has been the slogan of the White House since the defeat of the 2002-3 oil coup d’état in Venezuela. Nevertheless, the incessant Latin American and worldwide diplomatic offensive of Hugo Chávez—which not only threatens the Monroe Doctrine but also “Manifest Destiny”, which has ruled for two centuries—has reached the point of no return. Chávez’s offensive is the equivalent of the decree of Bolívar’s “war to the death” against the Spanish empire 193 years ago.


3. How to achieve the assassination and avoid popular resistance

The change of US strategy—from containment policy towards Cuba and Venezuela, while breaking the weakest link of the chain, Bolivia—towards State assassination has to resolve the danger of social explosion. The White House calculation is to avoid a long civil war by making it appear that the assassination would be a natural death or an accident. The successful poisoning of Palestinian President Yasser Arafat is the model to emulate.

In September 2003, the Israeli security cabinet publicly declared its intention to assassinate Arafat. The then Vice-Premier Minister Ehud Olmert generated a public debate regarding this project by considering this method “legitimate”.

“The question is, by which manner do we put an end to Arafat,” said the Israeli State’s number two man. “Expulsion is one option; assassination is another possibility.” Israel’s problem in applying the option of the elimination of Arafat consisted of the dilemma, “ (it) is not a moral matter, rather to know if it is practical or not.”

Following that successful operation would the fascist presidents Ehud Olmert and George Bush doubt for one second that the “removal…of the obstacle to peace” is extremely “practical” and “legitimate”? That is to say, that Hugo Chávez is a peaceful oil rich and third world leader [and thus an “obstacle”, translator’s note].

4. Hugo Chávez’s great offensive has discovered his dangerous rear guard

With all the audacity and success of the Venezuelan president’s offensive one is reminded of the great offensive of Napoleon against Moscow. Napoleon only looked forward, dreaming of a decisive lightning war. He failed to construct a rear guard capable of detaining an eventual Russian counter-offensive. When such occurred, he was completely destroyed.

The dangerous dispersion of the Bolivarian forces in Venezuela presents a similar scenario. The Bolivarian union movement is divided into, at least, four major currents. Official Bolivarian political forces rest on three major parties. The peasants have, at least, two major groupings. The popular sector is not organised into an integral national structure, such as, for example, in Cuba. The consolidation of the Bolivarian project in the armed forces requires, at least, two to three more years. The Bolivarian means of communication are insufficiently efficient. Many strategic State ministries are inefficient; partly so because in the last three years there have been six changes of ministers and vice-ministers, making quality State management impossible.

The quantitative dispersion of the Bolivarian forces offends, because many have the habit of using factious power plays, which converts the revolution and the party into second place. Hugo Chávez wants to remedy this poor political practice by forming one united political party next year. Minister William Lara hopes to convert Channel 8 into a 24-hour news service like CNN. Who knows if they will succeed, because until now the State has not had the capacity to develop a system to detect revolutionaries to control the media and the vanguard, which is required for the future process.

A frontal confrontation with the most potent world power and its European Union accomplices, in these conditions, will only be victorious if they have the talent and the luck of Alexander the Great. Or if they extend the spirit, the work and the vanguard management capacity not only on the visible front but also in the Achilles Heel of the revolution.

© Translation Copyright 2006 by AxisofLogic.com


Heinz Dieterich Steffan is a German political analyst, living in Mexico. Well known for his apologetics, he collaborates with revolutionary media and adds his voice as a regular columnist to Axis of Logic. He is also a consultant to Venezuelan President, Hugo Chávez Frìas.


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#3. To: robin (#0)

Hugo Chávez’s United Nations speech was the culmination of magisterial international vanguard politics, which converted George Bush into the pariah of the worldwide institution.

It was more of clown act; a pathetic appeal of mental masturbation that performed nothing more than a sense of personal acclaim based upon self aggrandising methods of obscure and silly rants designed to attract the attention of unintelligent humans.

Hugo needs a new speech writer.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   16:01:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#3)

2. To: 82Marine89 (#0)

Anderson said he is hoping for leniency from the Army but isn't taking anything for granted.

I hope they hang him until he is dead with a broken neck.

buckeroo posted on 2006-10-01 22:13:27 ET Reply Trace

So you support murder of people who do not support U.S. policy? You want Army Spc. Darrell Anderson, 24, of Lexington who won a Purple heart in Iraq hung for opposing an illegal immoral war, do you support Bush hangong Hugo too?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   16:24:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

I support the death of anyone that does not fulfill their solemn, sworn oath. What is required to bring America back towards the founding anchors of our nation is credibility and dignity. Honour goes a long way towards ensuring that trash gets canned and not exalted.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   16:43:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#6)

I support the death of anyone that does not fulfill their solemn, sworn oath.

oh boy..you ever heard of gleaning new information from experience, buck? good lord, in your world, anyone who's sworn an oath when ignorant and not fully informed should be killed, huh?

christine  posted on  2006-10-08   16:51:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#7)

I fulfilled not only my sworn oath but remain steadfast in determining that this two-headed political snake controlling Washington DC is absolved. Still, believing that anyone can skip away from their own oaths because they have a change of heart shows nothing more than a coward. Cowards are the first to be shot to death in any revolution anyway as they have no dignity other than the belief of that the world is their personal playground.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   16:58:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#8)

If I were under official orders to be in the Armed Forces and in a combat zone, and my superior officer said, "Look, they are parachuting from that plane that is about to crash, fire them up!" and I absolutely refused, I would be disobeying the enlistment oath I quoted in my last post, but I would be obeying the Geneva convention accords. Do you agree?

hors de combat

Combatants who are hors de combat are out of the fight are and entitled to respect for their lives and physical and moral integrity. They are to be protected and treated humanely, without adverse discrimination. (Convention I Art. 3; Protocol I, Art. 4)

Attacking a person who is hors de combat is a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions. (Protocol I, Art. 85, Sec. 3)

Persons are hors de combat if they have been captured, if they have surrendered, or if they are unconscious or otherwise incapacitated provided that they do not attempt to fight or escape. (Protocol I, Art. 41, Sec. 2)

Parachutists who eject from a damaged aircraft cannot be attacked while they are descending. (Protocol I, Art. 42, Sec. 1)

Parachuters who have landed in hostile territory must be given a chance to surrender, unless they are clearly acting hostile. (Protocol I, Art. 42, Sec. 2)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   17:12:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ferret Mike (#11)

Mike, I don't agree with anything you say anymore. I saw a faggot thread wherein you attempted to drag me into here on 4um last week ... I don't play your stinking games, pal.

I state my opinions. If you don't like them, fine .. but don't talk shit behind my back. I really don't think you know what you are doing anymore. And more to the point, I don't fucking give a damn about your opine.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   17:19:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#14)

How do I talk behind your back by posting something in open forum? Behind the back is done in E mail.

Be a man, admit you are wrong here. Don't whine, that's lame.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   17:22:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#15)

How do I talk behind your back by posting something in open forum?

You are so fucking clueless about your own self that you have to ask this question upon an open forum. Man, you are a spineless cretin worthy of no respect.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   17:33:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo (#16)

"You are so fucking clueless about your own self that you have to ask this question upon an open forum."

What is a rhetorical question Buck? How is asking one 'clueless?'

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   17:35:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

Go post your pathetic stolen pictures about me on fag threads. I don't have time for chit-chat and made-up caricatures that are baseless and only a silly and obscene effort at gossip.

You may not agree with me. I respect those characteristics upon Internet forums no matter if its Usenet, IRC or the web. But, I have don't play that game of yours with made-up shit behind my back. But you can. Because you are free to do as you please. And I realise that you live just within your own mind, that's why you are posting day&night on the Internet ... you have no life other than to make up stories.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   17:42:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeroo (#19)

Stolen? how is the illustration of the box of a 1960s child's game, Buckaroo's Cowboy Round-up stolen? Also, do you not spell your account name with an 'e' and not an 'a' as that illustration has it?

Is not a small joke that buckaroo rounds up cowboys, a play on words pretty darn tame? And why are you focusing your wrath on me and not others who were chatting at that time in that thread?

I know damn well Buck me boy you go into a thread you see Minerva's account name on news posts. I knew damn well I was not "talking behind your back."

You are angry because you are losing the debate on the point made on oaths and protocols.

Don't whine, it's lame.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   17:50:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike, Minerva, Jethro Tull (#21)

Is not a small joke that buckaroo rounds up cowboys, a play on words pretty darn tame?

Lets get your triple entente here so as to play fuck with Buckeroo shall we, coward.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   17:58:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: buckeroo (#22)

"Lets get your triple entente here so as to play fuck with Buckeroo shall we, coward."

Where is here? How do you know I wouldn't come? Who are you?

Those are rhetorical, you are angry and under no obligation to answer. You do have the means and perhaps the time. Come here. I am very easy to find.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   18:11:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

Welcome to the Internet, Mike. I am going to rob you of your soul.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   18:24:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo (#30)

"Welcome to the Internet, Mike. I am going to rob you of your soul."

Now you fancy yourself God, Buck? ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   18:27:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#31)

Not at all. I have decided you are my new toy. Not much more to it.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   18:31:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo (#34)

"Not at all. I have decided you are my new toy. Not much more to it."

Why Buck, who would have thought you need a 'boy toy?' Better stick to your strippers, I don't let guys stick money in my BVDs.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   18:35:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Ferret Mike (#35)

Boy toy? Is that the queer within you, again? Nope, I just put you on top of my list of cowards to slap around. You should feel honored especially since you have none.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   18:38:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#36)

"Boy toy? Is that the queer within you, again? Nope, I just put you on top of my list of cowards to slap around. You should feel honored especially since you have none."

Sure buck, but forgive me if my hands don't tremble like your's probably do after a bottle wrestles you to the floor rendering you unconscious.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   18:47:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#39)

You seem to have the capability to create these scenes of self-tormented destruction all upon your own. Why should I dance about your overwhelming desire to fancy a drunk stupor?

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   18:52:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeroo (#40) (Edited)

"You seem to have the capability to create these scenes of self- tormented destruction all upon your own. Why should I dance about your overwhelming desire to fancy a drunk stupor?"

You got me, Buck. I guess I was scared by an illustrated copy of the epic poem, "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" as a small boy. This dead albatross' rotting as they hang around one's neck. Scary. How do you even begin to tolerate yours'?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   18:55:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Ferret Mike (#41)

You are the one dancing around in some sort of sexual frenzy claiming I am a homosexual. As for your dead albatross around your neck, it is my opinion that even if you took it off and claimed a bath or two or three or four, you would still stink to high heaven.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   18:59:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo (#42) (Edited)

"You are the one dancing around in some sort of sexual frenzy claiming I am a homosexual."

?

Are you mixing things with that whiskey Buck? Me thinkith thou protestith too much. I always accepted in good faith you preferred sex with woman. Make a stink about a corny joke and I begin to wonder. ;-D

In the poem, the dead albatross around the neck is part of a penance the Mariner pays for the murder of a harmless creature.

Read it, it is a great poem, here is the URL to it and a quote:

How long in that same fit I lay, I have not to declare ;
But ere my living life returned,
I heard and in my soul discerned
Two voices in the air.
`Is it he ?' quoth one, `Is this the man ?
By him who died on cross,
With his cruel bow he laid full low
The harmless Albatross.

The spirit who bideth by himself
In the land of mist and snow,
He loved the bird that loved the man
Who shot him with his bow.'

The other was a softer voice,
As soft as honey-dew :
Quoth he, `The man hath penance done,
And penance more will do.'

h ttp://etext.virginia.edu/stc/Coleridge/poems/Rime_Ancient_Mariner.html

The Rime of the Ancient Mariner -- From Wikipedia

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   19:08:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ferret Mike (#44)

Of course, it is your way to forget your past deeds while spinning new concepts to tangent your earlier and meaningless opinions. Got more poetry to share? Forget it, you are waste of keystrokes similar to byeltsin of LP; you are a mind crazed sycophant that has never intended any truth about or towards your own oath.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   19:13:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeroo (#45) (Edited)

"Forget it, you are waste of keystrokes similar to byeltsin of LP; you are a mind crazed sycophant that has never intended any truth about or toward your own oath."

There is a double entendre inherent to my choice of this epic Buck me lad.

I just put in the link to Wikipedia article about it. If you are insightful and sober enough, I have faith you can figure out what that is, should you care to do so.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   19:21:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Ferret Mike (#46)

I have no faith in you, however. This places us at diametrically opposite positions. You simply suck the BIG_ONE as you are a coward and a liar; moreover, you stink with that albatross rotting around your neck.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   19:26:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeroo (#47)

hi buckeroo.

*** smooch ***

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-10-08   19:44:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Morgana le Fay (#52)

Shana Tova, Morgana!

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   19:48:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: buckeroo (#55)

Shana Tova

are you speaking mexican?

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-10-08   19:59:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Morgana le Fay (#60)

Its the Jew that dwells within me speaking English.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   20:02:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: buckeroo (#62)

well we will stay here and pay attention to you while you sort out your religious, racial and sexual identity mr. liberace of the internet. have you done any work on your home page this week?

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-10-08   20:04:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Morgana le Fay, Ferret Mike (#64)

I didn't have time. I was watching Ferret Mike and the rest of you bad mouth me without even giving me a ping. It troubles me that you folks talk smack about me.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   20:07:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: buckeroo (#65)

I promise I will ping you should ever I mention you Buck. Seriously, I posted that fully expecting you to see it. When beautiful women post, I know you see this, and you come.

If I was going to do a hatchet job on you, I can do much better then a picture of a child's board game box, I assure you.

In fact, I had been waiting for you to chime in and point out that your name is spelled with an 'e' in it, not an 'a'. But did you? No, you left me hanging there waiting.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-08   20:16:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Ferret Mike (#68)

No, you left me hanging there waiting.

Its my tortuous nature. I see you didn't hold your breath, either.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   20:21:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: buckeroo (#71)

dakmar says you are a black guy in cincinatti. is that true?

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-10-08   20:22:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Morgana le Fay (#72)

a black guy in cincinatti. is that true?

Black guys aren't allowed into the Minutemen. They have a rule about beach chairs and no watermelons.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-08   20:45:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Jethro Tull (#80)

Why my old racist pal, the fascist JT has stopped in to chat a moment before he goes out and murders some dopers while upholding the law against individual rights, liberties and dignities. Howdy JT. Hows that pension paying off as you toke that marijuana you ripped off today?

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   20:52:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: buckeroo (#81)

Howdy JT. Hows that pension paying off as you toke that marijuana you ripped off today?

It's all wavy gravy baby....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-08   21:36:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Jethro Tull (#85)

You aren't seeing spots yet, are ya?

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   21:45:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeroo (#86)

No, no spots. I'm seeing lots of illegals, tho. WTF have your useless band of chaise lounge sitting losers been doing??

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-08   21:53:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Jethro Tull (#87)

I don't know about anyone else, but I am sipping a mint julip with some lemon umbrellas on the side. Man, this stuff is tart. WHEW_EE!!

Ever tried it?

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   21:56:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: buckeroo (#88)

No. Fruity cocktails with umbrellas are gay.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-08   22:25:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Jethro Tull (#89) (Edited)

No. Fruity cocktails with umbrellas are gay.

LOL! this struck me so funny..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-10-08   22:27:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Zipporah (#90)

Here's to the Liberace of the Internet!!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-08   22:33:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Jethro Tull (#93)

Here's to the Liberace of the Internet!!!!

When I posed that idea, it wasn't because of any sexual innuendo ( which you have obviously played with ) but more about psychological power to motivate you to play your keyboard.

It is interesting to note that you stick your obsessive compulsions upon me. You are easily played with.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   22:40:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: buckeroo (#95)

Ah, Bucky....'tis you who is acting compulsive, not I...(you old fruitcake)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-08   22:45:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Jethro Tull (#96)

Look, I don't engage in homosexual experiences; I never have. And no one has even bothered to poke me. I am fairly broad shouldered and overbearing to see in public so I consider this feature about myself a blissful method of escape from queers. It must be by luck.

I certainly am not handsome. And I am sure that this attribute about my being is a complete turn-off to many. I guess the only good news about my facial blemishes is that I tried my best even under false circumstances. But as for yourself, you exist in a world of mirrors wherein you are the finest image of perfection under the Sun. Such a shame.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   22:56:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: buckeroo, Jethro Tull (#98)

Buckeroo - brokeback. those two words just go together well. I don't know why. buckeroo brokeback. one couldn't be without the other. buckeroo brokeback.

I know - yopu played Hastert's boyfriend, that was your role!

Buckeroo Brokeback

Red Jones  posted on  2006-10-08   23:08:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Red Jones (#101)

Buckeroo Brokeback

Red, that's hilarious (g)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-08   23:19:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Jethro Tull (#103)

How many lap dawgs do you own, JT?

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-08   23:25:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: buckeroo (#104)

yawn

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-10-11   0:08:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Morgana le Fay, minerva (#106)

this thread is a yawn.

tom007  posted on  2006-10-11   0:37:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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