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Title: The "Deep Mystery" of Melted Steel
Source: http://www.wpi.edu
URL Source: http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2002Spring/steel.html
Published: Oct 9, 2002
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Post Date: 2006-10-09 17:50:22 by Kamala
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The "Deep Mystery" of Melted Steel

There is no indication that any of the fires in the World Trade Center buildings were hot enough to melt the steel framework. Jonathan Barnett, professor of fire protection engineering, has repeatedly reminded the public that steel--which has a melting point of 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit--may weaken and bend, but does not melt during an ordinary office fire. Yet metallurgical studies on WTC steel brought back to WPI reveal that a novel phenomenon--called a eutectic reaction--occurred at the surface, causing intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.

Materials science professors Ronald R. Biederman and Richard D. Sisson Jr. confirmed the presence of eutectic formations by examining steel samples under optical and scanning electron microscopes. A preliminary report was published in JOM, the journal of the Minerals, Metals & Materials Society. A more detailed analysis comprises Appendix C of the FEMA report. The New York Times called these findings "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation." The significance of the work on a sample from Building 7 and a structural column from one of the twin towers becomes apparent only when one sees these heavy chunks of damaged metal.

A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges--which are curled like a paper scroll--have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes--some larger than a silver dollar--let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending--but not holes.

A eutectic compound is a mixture of two or more substances that melts at the lowest temperature of any mixture of its components. Blacksmiths took advantage of this property by welding over fires of sulfur-rich charcoal, which lowers the melting point of iron. In the World Trade Center fire, the presence of oxygen, sulfur and heat caused iron oxide and iron sulfide to form at the surface of structural steel members. This liquid slag corroded through intergranular channels into the body of the metal, causing severe erosion and a loss of structural integrity.

"The important questions," says Biederman, "are how much sulfur do you need, and where did it come from? The answer could be as simple--and this is scary- as acid rain."

Have environmental pollutants increased the potential for eutectic reactions? "We may have just the inherent conditions in the atmosphere so that a lot of water on a burning building will form sulfuric acid, hydrogen sulfide or hydroxides, and start the eutectic process as the steel heats up," Biederman says. He notes that the sulfur could also have come from contents of the burning buildings, such as rubber or plastics. Another possible culprit is ocean salts, such as sodium sulfate, which is known to catalyze sulfidation reactions on turbine blades of jet engines. "All of these things have to be explored," he says.

From a building-safety point of view, the critical question is: Did the eutectic mixture form before the buildings collapsed, or later, as the remains smoldered on the ground. "We have no idea," admits Sisson. "To answer that, we would need to recreate those fires in the FPE labs, and burn fresh steel of known composition for the right time period, with the right environment." He hopes to have the opportunity to collaborate on thermodynamically controlled studies, and to observe the effects of adding sulfur, copper and other elements. The most important lesson, Sisson and Biederman stress, is that fail-safe sprinkler systems are essential to prevent steel from reaching even 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, because phase changes at the 1,300-degree mark compromise a structure's load-bearing capacity.

The FEMA report calls for further metallurgic investigations, and Barnett, Biederman and Sisson hope that WPI will obtain NIST funding and access to more samples. They are continuing their microscopic studies on the samples prepared by graduate student Jeremy Bernier and Marco Fontecchio, the 2001–02 Helen E. Stoddard Materials Science and Engineering Fellow.

(Next year's Stoddard Fellow, Erin Sullivan, will take up this work as part of her graduate studies.) Publication of their results may clear up some mysteries that have confounded the scientific community.

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#1. To: Kamala (#0)

I used to try to explain on LP that the melted steel is a smoking gun. that resulted from demolition efforts, not jet fuel or furniture fires. and the fact that it was present 5 weeks after the event also confirms there was some chemical interacting with the steel. Fire could not possibly cause that situation. I used simple knowledge of basic physical properties of steel to determine this.

but as BAC so expertly told me, it means nothing unless it is on tv. we cannot think for ourselves, we must defer to the tv.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-10-09   17:55:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Red Jones, Kamala, InsideJob, robin, Horse, (#1)

Jet fuel or office fires do not cause an eutectic reaction--occurring at the surface, causing intergranular melting with traces of sulphur. The steel was evaporated from the extreme tempertures of the thermate reaction.

That's not true.

When I was training for my FAA airframe and powerplant license I was told for example to never use a carbon pencil or the like to mark a turbine fan blade because the resulting jet flame would turn that pencil mark into torch line. Same thing would happen with soot or other contaminents on the fan blades.

So your assumption fails.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-10   12:04:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Destro (#10)

I've read some of your nonsense at LF about office fires causing highrise structural steel to weaken and cause a complete collapse.

You have no clue or basis or proof for that claim.

This isn't FR or LP.

You will get your brains beat in here on 911 if you continue to spout the government fairytale.

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-10   13:14:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Kamala, christine, Red Jones (#14) (Edited)

I've read some of your nonsense at LF about office fires causing highrise structural steel to weaken and cause a complete collapse.

You have no clue or basis or proof for that claim.

Then why bother fireproofing steel beams then?

Genius! Construction firms can save millions in avoiding steel beam fireproofing!

So my creds? Work in the steel beam making business and I was trained for airframe and powerplant license which requires a knowledge of jets, metal alloys and what heat and cold does to them.

I mean, dont get me wrong - I have advocated the killing of NATO troops in the Balkans by Serbs who seek their freedom from American domination so I could care less if Americans are killing each other in mass qiantities - in fact it would be a dream come true - but alas - the WTC is not such an example.

I can still hope.

Destro  posted on  2006-10-10   15:18:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Destro (#16)

The towers were overbuilt by 600% and could withstand MULTIPLE airliner strikes.

The massive 47 inner girders were psi rated at 42,000 and were at the base, 4" thick and 36" by 52". The outer girders up to 100,000 psi and were laced like a netting. The floors were a maze and web of trusses running in criss crossing patterns.

99.7% of the steel was removed before extensive testing could be done. The results of the steel girders that were tested, the majority showed heat of 480 degrees, barely enough to melt paint and a few samples showed 1230 degrees. Still well below any significant temps.

Air temps are not physical temps, and steel is an amazing conductor of heat and wisks it away from any source. Also the engineering of highrise skyscrapers makes them vent heat, smoke and fire naturally.

NIST conducted live scale floor models of the twin towers. NIST built exact replicas and subjected the models to the stress loads and fires of that day.

2 hours of 2000 degree heat and nothing failed. No girder warping, no truss sagging and pulling, no bolt or coupling failure.

NIST then conducted another stress and fire floor model test, where they INCREASED the loads and REMOVED the fire- proofing.

2 hours later of 2000 degree heat guess what, no girder warping, no truss sagging or pulling, no bolt or coupling failure.

There was about 4 inches total of steel pan sagging that holds the 4" light weight pour of concrete, but it did not cause any significant damage or stress to the model.

So, NIST decided they didn't like the outcome of real research and science and created computer software models and results to fit the pre-concieved government fabrication.

Fireproofing is added only to ensure people have enough time to safely escape a building or highrise before fire, heat and smoke spread and endanger human life.

Fires are not a threat to structual steel buildings. Period. I have friends, family and relatives that are firefighters.

Off the record, they will state it is impossible for fire to collapse a structual steel highrise.

On the record, they have no comment for fear of reprisal.

Never in history has a building that exhibited demolition, not been demolition.

The twin towers fell in 14 sec and WTC 7 fell in 6 1/2 sec. For the WTC 1,2 thats about 1/6th to 1/7th of a sec per floor. The WTC 7 fell in about 1/8th of a sec per floor.

A progressive collapse would be too slow, a gravity collapse would be too slow, a pancaking collapse would be too slow.

The only conclusion is explosives. We also have all the oral and written testimony of EMS, police, firemen, employees, construction and maintenance workers of continuous explosions going on.

By the way, NIST has backed away completely from the "pancake theory". So you are taking a position that even the feds know is preposterious.

Oh yeah, I guess the shadow of the airliner brought down WTC 7.

Since you are new here, why don't you enlighten all of us here at 4um, and tell us what you think happened on 911?

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-10   17:30:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#31. To: Kamala (#27)

outstanding compilation of facts, mark.

christine  posted on  2006-10-10 17:57:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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