[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help] 

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Dramatic Footage Shows Tanker Blown Up In Critical Maritime Chokepoint As Disasters Mount For Biden-Harris

The Remdesivir Papers: Did Service Members Deserve to Die?

“My Blood is Boiling”: Furious Elon Musk Goes Off on FEMA for Blocking SpaceX Engineers from Assisting

“The Stench is Unbearable”: Dead Bodies Piling Up, FEMA Abandons NC Residents Amid Hurricane Helene

Cash and the Constitution

Disaster Relief (INSIDER) Tells Why FEMA Won't Let Citizens Help.

The $212 Billion Dollar Food ingredient poisoning your Brain

"Last Election EVER" - Elon Musk vs Mark Cuban: Billionaires BATTLE Over Dangers If Trump Loses 2024

"This is a Deep State coup trying to stop Trump" Ivan Raiklin has a plan to prevent it

Navigating the Global Debt Bubble: Are We on the Brink of Crisis?

Western North Carolina Residents Claim Feds Are Seizing Their Land

Proud Southerner Tells Kamala to Take her $750 and “Wipe Your A$$ with It!”

RFK Jr.: This Is How Hillary Clinton Accusations Against Tulsi Gabbard Changed Political Beliefs

Trump Rips Into Kamala For Spending FEMA Money On Housing For Illegal Migrants

Republican Senate Candidate Hung Cao Reveals He Helped Recover JFK Jrs Body and Plane During Navy Operation

Is your “private” VPN service controlled by Israel?

Julian Assange on AI in Modern War

The Sun, not CO2, drives the Earths climate, a new study says

63 central banks are implementing Basel III which includes bail-ins to rescue failing banks

Illegal Migration to Italy Falls 64%

New Day for World as Myth of Israeli Invincibility Shattered

MSNBC Producer Admits Network is ‘Doing All They Can’ to Help Elect Kamala Harris (VIDEO)

The UK's "Chicken License" Rebellion: The Good Way To Deal With Bad Laws

Ukrainian Lines Collapsing In East With World's Attention On Middle East War

COL. Douglas Macgregor: Israel is getting SLAUGHTERED in Lebanon, Americans are trapped

Every elite Israeli army force who entered Lebanese territory today was either killed, wounded, or fled - Hezbollah

“I hate Donald Trump — and I’m voting for him in 2024.”

How Biden/Harris Blew-Up The Middle East In Five Easy Steps

US Port Workers Agree To End Strike After Accepting 62% Wage Increase

How THIS Exercise Supplement Enhances Your Mitochondrial Function?


9/11
See other 9/11 Articles

Title: The "Deep Mystery" of Melted Steel
Source: http://www.wpi.edu
URL Source: http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2002Spring/steel.html
Published: Oct 9, 2002
Author: /////
Post Date: 2006-10-09 17:50:22 by Kamala
Ping List: *9-11*     Subscribe to *9-11*
Keywords: 911
Views: 677
Comments: 44

The "Deep Mystery" of Melted Steel

There is no indication that any of the fires in the World Trade Center buildings were hot enough to melt the steel framework. Jonathan Barnett, professor of fire protection engineering, has repeatedly reminded the public that steel--which has a melting point of 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit--may weaken and bend, but does not melt during an ordinary office fire. Yet metallurgical studies on WTC steel brought back to WPI reveal that a novel phenomenon--called a eutectic reaction--occurred at the surface, causing intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.

Materials science professors Ronald R. Biederman and Richard D. Sisson Jr. confirmed the presence of eutectic formations by examining steel samples under optical and scanning electron microscopes. A preliminary report was published in JOM, the journal of the Minerals, Metals & Materials Society. A more detailed analysis comprises Appendix C of the FEMA report. The New York Times called these findings "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation." The significance of the work on a sample from Building 7 and a structural column from one of the twin towers becomes apparent only when one sees these heavy chunks of damaged metal.

A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges--which are curled like a paper scroll--have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes--some larger than a silver dollar--let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending--but not holes.

A eutectic compound is a mixture of two or more substances that melts at the lowest temperature of any mixture of its components. Blacksmiths took advantage of this property by welding over fires of sulfur-rich charcoal, which lowers the melting point of iron. In the World Trade Center fire, the presence of oxygen, sulfur and heat caused iron oxide and iron sulfide to form at the surface of structural steel members. This liquid slag corroded through intergranular channels into the body of the metal, causing severe erosion and a loss of structural integrity.

"The important questions," says Biederman, "are how much sulfur do you need, and where did it come from? The answer could be as simple--and this is scary- as acid rain."

Have environmental pollutants increased the potential for eutectic reactions? "We may have just the inherent conditions in the atmosphere so that a lot of water on a burning building will form sulfuric acid, hydrogen sulfide or hydroxides, and start the eutectic process as the steel heats up," Biederman says. He notes that the sulfur could also have come from contents of the burning buildings, such as rubber or plastics. Another possible culprit is ocean salts, such as sodium sulfate, which is known to catalyze sulfidation reactions on turbine blades of jet engines. "All of these things have to be explored," he says.

From a building-safety point of view, the critical question is: Did the eutectic mixture form before the buildings collapsed, or later, as the remains smoldered on the ground. "We have no idea," admits Sisson. "To answer that, we would need to recreate those fires in the FPE labs, and burn fresh steel of known composition for the right time period, with the right environment." He hopes to have the opportunity to collaborate on thermodynamically controlled studies, and to observe the effects of adding sulfur, copper and other elements. The most important lesson, Sisson and Biederman stress, is that fail-safe sprinkler systems are essential to prevent steel from reaching even 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, because phase changes at the 1,300-degree mark compromise a structure's load-bearing capacity.

The FEMA report calls for further metallurgic investigations, and Barnett, Biederman and Sisson hope that WPI will obtain NIST funding and access to more samples. They are continuing their microscopic studies on the samples prepared by graduate student Jeremy Bernier and Marco Fontecchio, the 2001–02 Helen E. Stoddard Materials Science and Engineering Fellow.

(Next year's Stoddard Fellow, Erin Sullivan, will take up this work as part of her graduate studies.) Publication of their results may clear up some mysteries that have confounded the scientific community.

- Subscribe to *9-11*

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 8.

#1. To: Kamala (#0)

I used to try to explain on LP that the melted steel is a smoking gun. that resulted from demolition efforts, not jet fuel or furniture fires. and the fact that it was present 5 weeks after the event also confirms there was some chemical interacting with the steel. Fire could not possibly cause that situation. I used simple knowledge of basic physical properties of steel to determine this.

but as BAC so expertly told me, it means nothing unless it is on tv. we cannot think for ourselves, we must defer to the tv.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-10-09   17:55:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Red Jones (#1)

Jet fuel or office fires do not cause an eutectic reaction--occurring at the surface, causing intergranular melting with traces of sulphur. The steel was evaporated from the extreme tempertures of the thermate reaction.

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-09   18:18:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Kamala (#3)

Jet fuel or office fires do not cause an eutectic reaction--occurring at the surface, causing intergranular melting with traces of sulphur.

thanks for explaining that to me.

but unfortunately it means very little. If this information is not dramatically explained on tv under the assumption by the journalists that it is true, then in the minds of a very large group of Americans, perhaps a majority, it is all BS. for many americnas, they have a spell cast on them, and for them reality is tv. anything else is false. they are unable to process non-tv sanctioned information.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-10-09   18:24:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Red Jones (#6)

Red

My post really wasn't for you, because I know you understand what happened on 911. Most are still in fear and denial.

Dr. Jones and Kevin Ryan have updated some research with more evidence.

Fluorine, managanese, zinc, chlorine, barium, potassium, titanium and a plastic molecule, 1,3-DPP or 1,3 diphenylpropane that more than likely was the base for the sol-gel application of the nano-thermite.

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-09   19:10:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


Replies to Comment # 8.

#9. To: Kamala (#8)

well, it makes me feel good that there are a few good honest americans like Professor Jones. we used to have a ton of such people. at least there's a few left.

it seems that people are worn down mentally & emotionally. they're either un- willing to think for themselves or un-able.

there should be college professors all over the country giving lessons about steel and what temperature it begins to lose strength at, the temperatures caused by jet fuel fires and the way that steel just won't turn to liquid unless there is overwhelming heat of an entirely different magnitude than a mere fire from office furnishings & jet fuel.

anyone with a gut understanding of physics knows you just can't build up such heat to produce molten steel in such a fire. Much of the stuff in a building doesn't even burn (concrete won't burn, drywall burns very reluctantly if at all, steel will very rarely catch on fire, it is really extraordinary to get steel to catch on fire). and heat will dissipate through a steel building so quickly, the steel carries heat like crazy. to be able to focus heat on steel to produce a pool of molten liquid steel - that is extraordinary. Every physics professor who knows his craft knows this in his gut. But Jones is the only one who made a public scene over it.

I wonder how many college professors tried to teach such lessons and were told not to do it again. we've witnessed a massive failure of 'free' human beings that they didn't try to teach us.

only tv has reality. all else is fake. so say most Americans.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-10-09 19:42:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


End Trace Mode for Comment # 8.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest


[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]