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Title: Be Patriotic: Don’t Vote
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Published: Feb 05, 2004
Author: Thomas Di Lorenzo
Post Date: 2006-10-11 14:38:04 by christine
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Murray Rothbard once wrote that even the most brutal dictator ultimately bases his power on the opinions that are held by a majority of the population that is under his rule. After all, even dictators with large armies tend to be vastly outnumbered by the populations they rule over, and revolution is always on the dictator’s mind. That’s probably how he gained power himself in the first place – the previous dictator was, well, too dictatorial and created the conditions for his own overthrow. Democratic regimes also base their legitimacy on their ability to claim that their rule is "the will of the people." They believe in democracy with all their will, they tell us, so much so that generations of American politicians have believed that it was legitimate to wage war on other nations and to kill thousands of their citizens to impose "democracy" on them. Lincoln’s armies killed some 300,000 fellow citizens and maimed for life an even greater number, supposedly so that "government of the people, by the people, for the people," i.e., democracy, shall not perish from the earth. This of course was pure B.S.: Had the South seceded peacefully, democracy would have still existed in the U.S., the Confederate States of America, Canada, England, France, etc., etc. Nevertheless, that was an official purpose of the war, and of numerous other American wars. Woodrow Wilson brought America into World War I to supposedly "make the world safe for democracy." We are now supposedly bringing democracy to Iraq at bayonet point with numerous other Middle East countries in our sights. But America was not founded as a democracy. It was a constitutional republic. The whole purpose of the Constitution, James Madison wrote in Federalist #10, was to control "the violence of faction," by which he meant democracy. That’s why, until the Lincolnian "Civil War Amendments" were added to it, every part of the Constitution was a prohibition of some kind of governmental power or activity. Democracy was made into a "civil religion" by Lincoln and subsequent generations of Lincolnites who have successfully overthrown the constitutional republic of the founding fathers. These constitutional prohibitions or limitations are all but ignored today, of course. The Constitution does not provide for the central government to get involved in education, let alone sending a man – and untold millions or billions of dollars – to Mars. There are no longer any constitutional limitations on the central government. Washington politicians laugh and sneer at libertarian think tank employees who occasionally appear before their committees to oppose this or that government program on constitutional grounds. They laugh and say to them, "we’ve got the power to do it, and we’re going to do it." I’ve seen it with my own eyes on C-SPAN. President’ Clinton’s Surgeon General, Joyclyn Elders, went so far as to assert that the constitution allowed for a federal masturbation education program. Even Bill Clinton thought that went a little too far and fired the good doctor. The Republican Party today stands for an explosive growth of the welfare state and is spending money on such programs as fast as Lyndon Johnson ever did. The Democrats are as bad or worse. On foreign policy the Republican Party is dominated by crazed Wilsonians who want to involve the U.S. military in perpetual global warfare "to spread democracy." As with all such imperialistic ventures, this would eventually bankrupt the country and create countless enemies who would like nothing better than to destroy us by the millions with nuclear weapons or poison. The Democrats are as bad or worse. Both political parties are competing to grant amnesty to all illegal aliens, as the first step along the way to allowing completely open borders. Combining open borders with an explosively growing welfare state will invite all the deadbeats of the world to come to America, with all their extended family members in tow, to "celebrate democracy" by voting themselves more and more of the hard-earned dollars of those of us who work for a living in this country. This would cause the welfare state to eventually eat up a huge portion of national income, probably half or more. American taxpayers would be nothing but docile slaves to the Washington, D.C. plantation. The government schools long ago gave up teaching anything significant about the founding fathers, the Constitution, and the philosophy of limited government – other than to trash and demean them. In a democracy it is not in the state’s best interest to educate its own citizens about the virtues of limited government, and ours doesn’t. And it certainly will never make any attempt to do so with the hordes of new immigrants it hopes to attract (and register to vote). Belief in the Constitution is essentially a lost cause. That’s why it is unpatriotic to vote. Being patriotic in America means being devoted to the Constitution, if not the natural rights philosophy that motivated much of it. Since neither of the major political parties has any interest whatsoever in enforcing the constitutional limitations on the state, they are all traitors to the Constitution (with one lone exception, Congressman Ron Paul). Anyone who supports them is also behaving in a traitorous manner. That is, anyone who votes for any of them. Voting only allows these traitors to the Constitution to proclaim that "the people have spoken" and "I am your president," or congressman, senator, governor, or whatever. Their legitimacy rests solely on their ability to make this claim. Imagine what a patriotic thrill you would receive if, in the next presidential election, a mere 10 percent of the electorate, instead of the usual 50 percent or so, voted. The unconstitutional regime in Washington would be de-legitimized.
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#3. To: christine (#1)
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Ditto. There is no "choice." However, by making the moral choice to abstain, evil will still reign supreme...but at least we can sleep at night by not having acknowledged its legitimacy. I did vote for one candidate in 2004: Peroutka. I abstained from all other races where an R and D were uncontested by 3rd parties. Yes I can sleep at night.
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#4. To: IndieTX (#3)
Peroutka voter here, as well. My conscience is clean. All you Republican voters out there have the blood of at least 655,000 people on your hands. Enjoy.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#5. To: christine (#1)
Thomas J. Dilorenzo has single-handedly de-constructed the Lincoln myth by pointing out that not only did Abe jail hundreds or Northern newspaper publishers for criticizing the war, but, Lincoln even deported an Ohio congressman to the South for daring to suggest that Lincoln had exceeded his authority. My state of DE was quite likely the last state to give up slavery upon passage of the 13th amendment. And, a few years ago I was at the ceremony where one of the last monuments to be placed at Gettysburg (because of a moratorium) was unveiled. The monument commemorates the Delawareans who fought on both sides of that terrible conflict. Ken Burns (who is from DE) was there as were numerous political hacks from Dover, and it was a nice ceremony. Despite this, the myth that "Lincoln fought to free the slaves" fairie tale endures.
#6. To: christine (#0)
Proclaim the quality of the emperor's finery, and praise the skill of his tailor; he may then be felled by a hardly-felt sting from a dart.
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
#7. To: christine (#1)
People often say,"If you don't vote, you have no right to complain!" On the contrary, it is those who have voted who have no right to complain. "None of the above" is a more practical form of dissent than a vote for either Demopublicans or Republicrats.
full agreement with Di Lorenzo.
#8. To: christine (#0)
What the GOP wants you to "remember" is that things were just as bad under Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, blah blah blah. They also want you to "remember" that it's not just Republicans who are corrupt (I mean, there's no denying that, right?), but it's ALL politicians. The conclusion? If you are pissed off over the way things are, don't vote. That'll learn 'em. Of course, the unspoken deal on this is that it is bullshit. Things were NOT as bad under Clinton, or Bush I, or Reagan or even Carter. Hell, things weren't even this bad under Nixon or Ford. No, this collossal clusterfuck is unique to George King W Bush and his compliant, supine GOP colleagues in the majorities of both houses of congress. The action advocated here, not voting, is equivalent to saying all politicians are bad, the GOP are just politicians, so they should not be exclusively punished for what are their exclusive fuck ups. The unspoken result of peddling this idea, should it be accepted, will be that the GOP, with its core of true believers and extremely efficient get out the vote organization, will remain in power because you were stupid enough not to vote. In other words, the position advocated here is, "Look, we understand your life sucks and you feel like you've been gang fucked for five years. But your life is going to continue to suck and we are going to continue to fuck you, so lay back and accept your role as victim. You can't do anything about it, so don't try." It's a tried and true propaganda technique; a fallback position. Well, we may be terrible, it's true, but the other side is just as bad... How is "it" going to go away if we stop voting? Only if we rise up and kill "them". Unless you are ready to do that (and I'm not holding you back), you'd better get out and vote. Same propaganda, different words, different source. Same lame GOP shit.
I think I get where this is coming from. The GOP has been running the country into the shitter for five and a half years, during a time period when they have exclusive control of all of the government. Now they are increasingly catching hell for how badly they've fucked things up.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#9. To: bluedogtxn, christine (#8)
I can't imagine what positive impact the "f" word has to intelligent discourse. Nevertheless, let me repeat myself by sharing a post I previously made on this forum. "There is no two party system, three party system, or any party, for that matter. We are being "ruled" ... and until enough citizens accept what is fact, voters' preferences have no bearing on the result. Fact: This country is NOT a democracy; the USA is supposed to be a republic, but is "run" by socialists, most of whom have long had the goal of "one world order". Solution: Revolution, or even better, Civil War II. After 50 years of never having missed an election, I am not voting this year. However, I am stashing the barest of necessities, stocking my cupboards, and packing my gun(s). Good luck to all and I'll see you on the other side."
Same lame GOP shit.
#10. To: christine, bluedogtxn, Mekons4, scrapper2, mehitable, Jethro Tull, randge, PnbC, It Is A Republic, Morgana Le Fay, ..., Cynicom, justlurking, Burkeman1, add925, Quatermass, lodwick, a vast rightwing conspirator, IndieTx, Arator (#0)
I disagree. Sort of. I mean this write up is pretty pessimistic, which is fine (as in honest) as I have no qualms with his take on the state of the country. But his conclusion of "don't vote" is pretty much a protest in of itself that he thinks will get the attention of government. To that, I say *No freakin' way*. There's the pragmatic issue, the reality, that the fewer people who vote, the more sway each of those who do vote have. Knowledge of that fact pursuades more people to vote. This all assumes elections are fair, of course, but the same problem applies regardless -- any campaign to get people to stop voting will send an underlying message that if you break the ranks, you'll be rewarded extra. It's just like the War on Drugs(TM). The more successful they are at intercepting drugs, the higher the street value, and thus the more incentive it is to smuggle. Both are self defeating goals. Now he goes on to say: Any of *them*? Is he referring to Ron Paul? Should people not vote for Ron Paul either? I can see a campaign aimed at not voting for any Republicrat, but why should we not vote for independents & alternative party candidates? Where is the harm in that? Thomas says the harm is in lending legitamacy to the government. Do you really think you could escape an unconstituonal criminal charge by arguing you didn't vote in the last X elections? (Though I do know Brad Barnhill defeated a charge by arguing he was *prohibited* from voting in Virginia elections, due to their SSN requirement). But do you think an unconstitutonal criminal charge against you becomes constitutional just because you voted? Both those positions are hogwash. There are good people running for office. People who are expending a lot of time, money and effort to do so. Maybe they are asking too much, dreaming to hard, aiming too high. But there's absolutely no reason not to do at least the the bare minimum and help them out, just a little, by voting just for them. Help those out who are trying, if you're not doing anything else. Sure, maybe they'll lose but even then they'll appreciate you and do something for you someday and take your pessimism more seriously. Such candidates might also be gifted orators themselves, which may be good allies in the future. Maybe with something having nothing to do with elections. That's my take. I'm voting this year, though I'm not voting for any R or D. (And voting absentee).
Anyone who supports them is also behaving in a traitorous manner. That is, anyone who votes for any of them.
#11. To: Neil McIver (#10)
Oh, I am voting as well - just not in idiotic federal elections in which my vote is statistically meaningless, the choices frauds, and the third parties hopeless delusional self absorbed cranks who argue over the minutia of their national platforms at their Holiday Inn banquet room "conventions" when they haven't so much as elected a dog catcher to local government. Nope- sorry. I won't participate in the fraud of national federal elections. I will be voting for state and local candidates as my vote at least has Some weight.
That's my take. I'm voting this year
#12. To: Burkeman1 (#11)
Yeah, there's something to be said for the sheer numbers issue. When Ecuadorians vote for their president, they each have about 30 times more say in who gets elected than do us gringos for our dictator. You were there too? Yes, we have a MD lib who is/was very active in the party, and despised a nominee sooo much he resigned from the exec board (which isn't too bad) but then broadcast his intent to donate to both of the R & D campaigns. Then he said he was doubling his donations when he didn't like something else he said. But the senate candidate, here, Kevin Zeese, http://kevinzeese.com & http://zeeseforsenate.com who is a tremendous candidate. Very gifted. He's running on the green ticket but got the L nomination too. If he misses this senate race, he should have another opening up when Mikulsky gets bored with her post. Don't agree entirely with him but he does know the bill of rights, and I agree with him on a lot of things.
Nope- sorry. I won't participate in the fraud of national federal elections. I will be voting for state and local candidates as my vote at least has Some weight.
and the third parties hopeless delusional self absorbed cranks who argue over the minutia of their national platforms at their Holiday Inn banquet room "conventions" when they haven't so much as elected a dog catcher to local government.
#13. To: Neil McIver, bluedogtxn (#10)
There are good people running for office. People who are expending a lot of time, money and effort to do so. Maybe they are asking too much, dreaming to hard, aiming too high. But there's absolutely no reason not to do at least the the bare minimum and help them out, just a little, by voting just for them. Help those out who are trying, if you're not doing anything else. Sure, maybe they'll lose but even then they'll appreciate you and do something for you someday and take your pessimism more seriously. Such candidates might also be gifted orators themselves, which may be good allies in the future. Maybe with something having nothing to do with elections. ok..i think you made some points worthy of consideration. ;)
Thomas says the harm is in lending legitamacy to the government. Do you really think you could escape an unconstituonal criminal charge by arguing you didn't vote in the last X elections? (Though I do know Brad Barnhill defeated a charge by arguing he was *prohibited* from voting in Virginia elections, due to their SSN requirement). But do you think an unconstitutonal criminal charge against you becomes constitutional just because you voted? Both those positions are hogwash.
#14. To: Neil McIver (#12)
Third parties will never get off the ground if we don't support them. I find the Libertarians to be much more in line with my thinking than either Dems or Republicans. I fear the GOP, however, while I don't fear the Dems. Accordingly, I vote. I vote Dem when there's not a libertarian on the ticket. If I lived in a blue state, or even magenta, I might do differently, but in Lubbock the Democratic party IS a third party.
But the senate candidate, here, Kevin Zeese, http://kevinzeese.com & http://zeeseforsenate.com who is a tremendous candidate. Very gifted. He's running on the green ticket but got the L nomination too. If he misses this senate race, he should have another opening up when Mikulsky gets bored with her post. Don't agree entirely with him but he does know the bill of rights, and I agree with him on a lot of things.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#15. To: Neil McIver (#10)
Thank you for that, Neil. That's exactly what I was trying to say.
There are good people running for office. People who are expending a lot of time, money and effort to do so. Maybe they are asking too much, dreaming to hard, aiming too high. But there's absolutely no reason not to do at least the the bare minimum and help them out, just a little, by voting just for them.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#16. To: bluedogtxn, christine, lodwick (#15)
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa061006_wz_debate.130401ac.html
FULL TX GOVERNOR DEBATE VIDS..in case anyone missed it.
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#17. To: christine, neil mciver (#13) (Edited)
Whatever you do, do NOT vote D for governor of TX!! This quack's [Bell] stand on immigration is straight amnesty [agrees with Bush] and he "stood up to Tom Delay!" LOL. Vote Kinky or [Strayhorn if you must], but do NOT vote D to keep Perry out...or nothing will change! KINKY is the ONLY candidate who asnwered the questions and who is straight ahead honest.
WARNING FOR TEXANS
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#18. To: IndieTX (#17)
Nothing will change regardless. I'm voting for Kinky, but Perry wins this one walking away.
or nothing will change!
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#19. To: bluedogtxn (#18)
Kinky is hands down my vote as well..but I'm afraid you are correct that the SHEOPLE and Fundies and senile old folks will go for Perry :(
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#20. To: IndieTX (#19)
Yeah, they chose John Tower (the midget) over Barefoot Sanders years ago and I was surprised then as he seemed like such a warm, intuitive and smart guy compared to that Republican wart of a panderer. But then again, I was young then, and didn't understand Texas and how insanity is not a trial defense there, it is a way of life.
#21. To: All, ALL (#19) (Edited)
All 3 called Friedman a RACIST during the debate.
PERRY IS A POMPOUS SELF-RIGHTEOUS ASSHOLE...as are Strayhorn and Bell. KINKY IS THE ONLY CHOICE.
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#22. To: Ferret Mike, all, christine (#20) (Edited)
And of course WFAA had its little faggot reporter who pressed the "racist" issue against Kinky and called him a LIAR..kinda like a little attack chihahua sent there just for this reason. Pretty obvious the MSM wants the status quo.
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#23. To: IndieTX (#21)
isn't that rich?
All 3 called Friedman a RACIST during the debate.
#24. To: christine (#0)
I haven't missed a national/state election since I started voting in 1976 (yes I voted for Carter) and not about to start. Since working on my first campaign in 1972 (McGovern campaign), election day still brings a bit of "excitement" especially as the returns start to trickle in. Of course, of course it is all "rigged" but so are most of the casino games I play yet they are still entertaining.
#25. To: IndieTX, bluedogtxn, lodwick, randge, Sam Houston (#19)
Indie, imo? Our votes won't be counted. Perry's got all the funding/power behind him. He's already been (s)elected just as the presidents are years in advance. p.s. I wonder why Ron Paul won't run for governor?
#26. To: Brian S (#24)
i get it....and, as you know, i'm all for fun and entertainment. :P
Of course, of course it is all "rigged" but so are most of the casino games I play yet they are still entertaining.
#27. To: christine, lodwick (#25) (Edited)
p.s. I wonder why Ron Paul won't run for governor? I guess he knows what you say is correct...and he knows he'll get the same treatment Kinky got from a special attack chihuaha reporter during the debate. Perry was SMIRKING during the whole thing. He knows it's in the bag. But I HAVE to vote for Kinky in order to sleep at night after Perry wins. I've got his banner on my website..not that it will help :( ..I only get 250 uniques a day.. and half of those are web crawlers...LOL.
Indie, imo? Our votes won't be counted. Perry's got all the funding/power behind him. He's already been (s)elected just as the presidents are years in advance.
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#28. To: christine (#25)
He ought to. He'd be a good one. Hell, Texas went to Perot in '92. Not a lot of folks remember that. It wasn't always a Republican Parish.
p.s. I wonder why Ron Paul won't run for governor?
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
#29. To: IndieTX (#27)
i heard him call into Alex Jones' show one day. he was mocking Alex by calling him Jonesy. he sounded like a stupid adolescent--arrogant and very unprofessional. i was seething listening to him. he's dumbya redux.
Perry was SMIRKING during the whole thing.
#30. To: IndieTX. Texans for the Kinkster here (#19)
I don't know about that: just yesterday I saw a really old couple in their new Cadd'y with a "K" sticker on the back window. Why the Hell Not? How Hard Can It Be?
...but I'm afraid you are correct that the SHEOPLE and Fundies and senile old folks will go for Perry :(
#31. To: Neil McIver (#10) (Edited)
Yes, don't vote for him. He had an opportunity to run for gov. and turned it down. He's useless in the House, despite saying all the right things.
Ron Paul
#32. To: who knows what evil (#4)
Most of them will. That's the beauty of being a white, Judeochristian (Big 'J'; little 'c' to make sure we know who's in charge here) supremacist. The 655,000 aren't "people" to them. They are thought of as vile, poisonous snakes in the minds of the Zionazis.
All you Republican voters out there have the blood of at least 655,000 people on your hands. Enjoy.
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
I have to agree. He is quite useless. Frankly- he should have resigned a long time ago at any number of points- the passage of the "Patriot Act", the passage of the cowardly "Iraq war resolution", the 9/11 fraud hearings, and lastly this Torture legalization act. His resignation then would have been more powerful a statement than a hundred thousand of his speeches before an empty house floor.
He's useless in the House, despite saying all the right things.
#34. To: Burkeman1 (#33) (Edited)
Yep, I realize some people hang on his every word but he's as useless as teats on a bull. He hasn't ignited one cause, stopped one bill, attracted one member to his political thinking, nor even slightly alter this pile of shit rolling down hill at warp speed. I think the adage "move up, or move out" applies to RP. He was asked last year on a talk show to consider running against Rick Perry for Gov. He declined saying he could do more in the House. Sure...
#35. To: Burkeman1 (#33)
I'm sure it would have been greeted with all the fanfare of "Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out".
His resignation then would have been more powerful a statement than a hundred thousand of his speeches before an empty house floor.
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
Not one of his peers is in the house because they "believe" anything ideologically or politically. They are bagmen. That's it. They view anyone who actually buys into the ideology of left or right as idiots- as dupes- as rubes. I worked the GOP- in the party- as a volunteer for two years and was close to a powerful "republican" family in this state (MA) and the first scale to drop from eyes was that these people are not ideological at all. They don't believe in ANYTHING except their own power, wealth, and fame- and family. Ideology is a control device to these people. If they grew up in another part of the state they would have been Dems. Their cynacism was staggering. And even after that experience it took me another ten years to finally put it all together and see the two party system for what it is- a giant fraud.
attracted one member to his political thinking
#37. To: Neil McIver (#35)
I'm sorry there comes a time, like legalizing torture, in which you must decide that a certain organizatin has lost all credibility, all honor, and all principle, and where staying in such organization taints one's own honor. That point was reached two weeks ago.
#38. To: Burkeman1, Neil McIver, All (#37)
I think voting 3rd party is a good idea. This editorial disagrees: Elections in the USA - Justice and Perversion and the Perversion of Justice
#39. To: robin (#38)
There is no point in voting for third parties as they statiscally have no chance of success. Vote for them in state and local elections? Sure. Not as futile and there is at least a slim chance of success. But on the federal level a third party is just a stream release mechanism and voting for one only gives the system of CFR, ballot restrictions, media blackouts - legitimacy. You are voting against your own liberty when you vote in federal elections- no matter whom you vote for.
#40. To: christine (#0) (Edited)
Vote absentee. Use the write in where you can.. There really is no use in fighting and arguing about what is the best way to get yourself heard at this point. When the message to the populace is confusing at best and a fraud in the light, how can you manage a consensus opinion with ill-informed people, participating in a fraudulent system? Where the numbers are flipped to meet the desired outcome. Sucked dry over the decisions?? Why????????? It's been decided already. I agree there may be some play on the local level, but that is a big IF. I've seen big players manipulated the smallest of elected positions. It's going to take a pissed off populace to understand what has happened. It will be too late to do anything. Talking about it, may land you in jail. So, vote your conscious. No incumbents anywhere, just to screw with the machine count. Write-in's to perhaps make hand counting necessary. The only issues worth getting lathered up over are propositions, so people should spend more time on that crap, and how "they" are manipulating the local issues, taxes, ordinances and whatnot.. than the frauds that are centered like bobble-heads on the talking point platform. let's not fight amongst ourselves... lets just mess with their minds by not having a plan. No block voting... nothing predictable... let it fly with exactly what is important to YOU, and who you REALLY think is worthy of the position. Otherwise, write, none of the above.
#41. To: jessejane (#40)
let's not fight amongst ourselves... good advice.
No incumbents anywhere, just to screw with the machine count. Write-in's to perhaps make hand counting necessary. The only issues worth getting lathered up over are propositions, so people should spend more time on that crap, and how "they" are manipulating the local issues, taxes, ordinances and whatnot.. than the frauds that are centered like bobble-heads on the talking point platform.
#42. To: christine (#41)
:) Thanks. I see the party fighting as a distraction. People are also duped on propositions (etc.) that also are written to cede more authority over to the goobs. The more people pay attention to the """little""" things, like friggin property tax/s, the more the face of the local pols come into view, IMO>. The Left v Right thing is a farce..many more get that.. (still too many dolts do not), but the new circus brings filth to the 3 rings to distract us from the hand in our wallets and the chains on our children and freedom. There is not one noose but many on our necks. All being tightened a yank at a time.
good advice.
#43. To: Burkeman1 (#39)
You are voting against your own liberty when you vote in federal elections- no matter whom you vote for.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
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