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Title: The sucker punch. Were both christians and muslims created as punching bags for clandestine jewish rule?
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Published: Oct 12, 2006
Author: John Kaminski
Post Date: 2006-10-12 17:27:29 by christine
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... the Flavian emperors invented the character of Jesus to deceive the Jews into worshipping a false messiah. — Joseph Atwill A time is coming to men when he who adheres to his religion will be like one who seizes live coals." — Muhammad, Tirmidhi Hadith 5367 'Turn the other cheek' my ass! When somebody steals something from me, I'm going to do two things. I'm going to get it back, and I'm going to make sure he doesn't steal it again. Thus, in contemplating the poisonous gap between public crimes deceitfully reported by robot journalists as positive steps for freedom — and what is really going on in the world that leaves so many people bleeding and poisoned — you owe it to yourself to examine the major rules you learned as a child which you now follow in your presumably satisfying adult life. 'Turn the other cheek' is probably the main offender, but it is followed closely by 'it's better to give than receive' and shortly thereafter by 'render unto Caesar what is Caesar's!' All of these statements are subliminal cues to be a victim, and to give up what is rightfully yours without a fight, particularly if someone is trying to steal from you. Buddha advised taking nothing on faith. Thomas Jefferson thought God wanted us to use our brains. A new area of thought in my religious history studies brought me to Joseph Atwill's little known classic, "Caesar's Messiah," which describes a political trick of stupendous magnitude. Atwill describes "texts deliberately created to trick Messianic Jews into worshipping the Roman Emperor 'in disguise'." Atwill insists the so-called Christian Gospels are NOT accounts of a historically Jewish Jesus compiled by his followers 60 years after his death. (Notice how he slips in “Jewish Jesus.”) After centuries of Jewish slaughter culminating in the Jewish War in 70 A.D., Roman postwar propaganda sought to eradicate the Jewish threat by creating a literary equivalent to the Torah, according to Atwill. Events in the Bible correlate to events involving Julius Caesar in Gaul. Or as Atwill declaims forthrightly: To replace the Torah, then, the Romans created a literary equivalent, the gospel of Matthew (and shortly thereafter the Hellenistic and Roman versions known as Luke and Mark). <>http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/summary.html> Which brings us to the research of Francisco Carotta, who insists that the Jesus figure venerated by billions over the course of time was really a composite model based on none other than Divine Julius, the much-talked-about Roman emperor who brought an end to the republic phase of the empire’s history. <>http://www.carotta.de/> Carotta writes: Julius Caesar, son of Venus and founder of the Roman Empire, was elevated to the status of Imperial God, Divus Julius, after his violent death. The cult that surrounded him dissolved as Christianity surfaced. A cult surrounding Jesus Christ, son of God and originator of Christianity, appeared during the second century. Early historians, however, never mentioned Jesus and even now there is no actual proof of his existence. On the one hand, an actual historical figure missing his cult, on the other, a cult missing its actual historical figure: intriguing mirror images. The question that still dogs us down through the ages is this. Is the research of Atwill and Carotta just more of the same Jewish attempt to subvert the Catholic church and the true Christian faith for the purpose of denigrating and subverting the admirable messages of Jesus that so many people base their lives upon? Or, is it really true that some nefariously clever group of clandestine operatives created this divine mythos to keep us in mental chains and therefore more controllable? Sorry to leave you hanging, but I have to do more research, because I don’t know the answer and I bid you to help me consider the true dimensions of this dilemma. What I am really trying to illuminate is the effect of religious propaganda on people’s lives that really has nothing to do with an actual supreme deity, but more with political control. And for my money, nowhere is this phenomenon demonstrated more clearly than in the description by popular theology whistleblower Charles Carlson on the effect that a man named Cyrus Scofield has had on public Western thought. Carlson writes: The Scofield Reference Bible was not to be just another translation, subverting minor passages a little at a time. No, Scofield produced a revolutionary book that radically changed the context of the King James Version. It was designed to create a subculture around a new worship icon, the modern State of Israel, a state that did not yet exist, but which was already on the drawing boards of the committed, well-funded authors of World Zionism. One of the very few American clerics speaking out about current U.S. atrocities around the world, Carlson explains: “Scofield imitated a chain of past heretics and rapturists, most of whose credibility fizzled over their faulty end times prophesies. His mentor was one John Nelson Darby from Scotland, who was associated with the Plymouth Brethren and who made no less than six evangelical trips to the US selling what is today called "Darbyism." It is from Darby that Scofield is thought to have learned his Christian Zionist theology, which he later planted in the footnotes of the Scofield Reference Bible. The Oxford University Press owned "The Scofield Reference Bible" from the beginning, as indicated by its copyright, and Scofield stated he received handsome royalties from Oxford. Oxford's advertisers and promoters succeeded in making Scofield's bible, with its Christian Zionist footnotes, a standard for interpreting scripture in Judeo-Christian churches, seminaries, and Bible study groups. It has been published in at least four editions since its introduction in 1908 and remains one of the largest selling Bibles ever. And what does this really mean to us today? Carlson reveals a very interesting connection: Among more traditional churches that encourage, and in some cases recommend, the use of the Scofield Reference Bible is the huge Southern Baptist Convention of America, whose capture is World Zionism's crowning achievement. Our report on Southern Baptist Zionism, is titled "The Cause of the Conflict: Fixing Blame. So how do we know what we’re actually seeing? How do we identify this deliberate poisoning through interpolation and subtle footnotes in the supposedly holiest book on the planet? Carlson shows us. Scofield, whose work is largely believed to be the product of Darby and others, wisely chose not to change the text of the King James Edition. Instead, he added hundreds of easy-to-read footnotes at the bottom of about half of the pages, and as the Old English grammar of the KJE becomes increasingly difficult for progressive generations of readers, students become increasingly dependent on the modern language footnotes. Scofield was not a Bible scholar, Carlson writes, but an opportunist, a political animal with the charm and talent. Scofield's background reveals a criminal history, a deserted wife, a wrecked family, and a penchant for self-serving lies, a controllable man capable of carrying the secret to his grave. (See “The Incredible Scofield and His Book” by Joseph M. Canfield). Carlson, who hosts one of the great clearinghouses of literature on Jewish perfidy<,>http://whtt.org/>, concludes: It is no exaggeration to say that the 1967 Oxford 4th Edition deifies — makes a God of — the State of Israel, a state that did not even exist when Scofield wrote the original footnotes in 1908. This writer believes that, had it not been for misguided anti-Arab race hatred promoted by Christian Zionist leaders in America, neither the Gulf War nor the Israeli war against the Palestinians would have occurred, and a million or more people who have perished would be alive today. What makes Carlson say this? Listen just a bit longer. "FOR A NATION TO COMMIT THE SIN OF ANTI-SEMITISM BRINGS INEVITABLE JUDGMENT." (page 19-20, footnote (3) to Genesis 12:3.) (our emphasis added) Put that Scofield bible quote in your pipe and smoke it! This statement sounds like something from Ariel Sharon, or the Chief Rabbi in Tel Aviv, or Theodore Herzl, the founder of Modern Zionism. But these exact words are found between the covers of the 1967 Edition of the Oxford Bible that is followed by millions of American churchgoers and students and is used by their leaders as a source for their preaching and teaching. This essay has been a sucker punch. And chances are extremely high, especially if you’re a Christian evangelical shabbez goi like an Episcopalian or a Pentacostal still pretending to everyone that you have a conscience, then you’ve just been nailed .... right in your soul, in fact. Although judging by your lack of personal integrity about your own beliefs, you may not realize it. You may never. Think for a moment about this dark spiritual hegemony that rules our planet with empty platitudes and endless debauchery. Then remember St. John’s Epistle to the Jews (I’m making this up): “We know you’re scared because of all the vicious lies you’ve told and all the people you have so needless and callously killed. One thing religious people know and are always willing to forgive is simply that you admit your faults and ask forgiveness. That’s all there really is in this life, and knowing that makes all the difference. “All that is required is not hurting anybody else. “Quit f***ing around. Come home. Your family’s waiting for you. Otherwise, you’re going to hurt yourselves in a way that can’t be fixed.
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#3. To: christine (#0)
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I do not believe Jesus existed and all I know is Christianity, Judaism, Islam and other religions have not been kind to my brand of religiosity. Humans are just animals too big for their britches and are a plague of locus on this planet. So when I run into people trying to beat up on me because to me, all the major Western religions - with all their admitted good things and graces, are into converting the web of life into profit and the entire planet surface is under the cruel thumb of human hegemony, I see them for what they are, as inherently sick and insane with power and greed lust with the desire to assimilate and oppress. When I hear that Jews are the primary danger and evil, I don't buy it. All current major Western religions are screwed up in their own special way. The Goddess does not just care about her hairless primate collection here on this blue bubble of a planet, she cares about the concert of life and the interlocking dependencies all have. All major religions have their way of assimilation to an accepted norm, and all work to make the many enrich and empower the few. Jews don't have a monopoly on this. The Bible is a joke as it was religious text picked and chosen to exclude the divine feminine and to promote a misogynous hegemony where women are chattel on one level or another and controlled by men. It was given a pie in the sky Heaven, Purgatory and Hell to calm and console those who are not enriched and empowered by this set-up, and I reject it completely as I do the Torah, the Koran, and all other such oppressive and slanted writings. Humans need to get offa their cloud and need to learn to be a responsible species once more or their Karma will doom them. I fully believe the Goddess is capable of dispassionately without judgementalism good or bad of just dealing with humanity as they have set up their own fall. The Goddess and the Universe She created acts in total dispassion to whether what happens to individual hairless primates - humans - good or bad. And they are no more special then any other life on the planet. This belief system is why I can't buy into pitting one side against another when I see the religions of both combatants claiming the other is conspiring since the beginning of time to do the other in as tail chasing I am well to steer clear of. I am respectful of anybody's faith, and believe that just because I am oppressed, it is no excuse or reason to be just as oppressive, vindictive or desirous of destruction of another's faith as they would tear mine apart as has been attempted by all of them since the beginning of civilization. Just because the others of various faiths are oppressive and hateful is no excuse or reason for us of the Goddess and Wicca to be the same. My religion is the one true one. It will always re-manifest itself and will be the only one in the end because it is pure and the true one. We Wicca do not have to proselytize, promote, oppress, badger, cajole or play power, money or hegemony games. The Goddess will triumph because she is the creator, and what is true will never be denied or destroyed. Let the blessings be.
I've got news for you Mr. Ferret. HITLER was an OCCULTIST, what we would call a "Wiccan" or "Neo-Pagan" today. (He was also tied to the Roman/Jesuit order through the SS which based their Heirarchal structure upon it). I know that unlike a lot of people here you believe in the Shoah or Holocaust. Well so do I and I know that the Shoah and other euthanasia projects of Nazi Germany were the products of OCCULTISM and also the Darwinist views you espouse (that man is only another "species" of animal with NO special rights or responsibilities brought about by his creation by God.) So don't tell me that Wicca or Occultism and Darwinism are religions that do not practice Hegemony, Imperialism, theft and murder because I know different. Nazism was a Socialist/Darwinist/Wiccan Empire.
You are profoundly a dolt. An idiot. A nudnik You think you have figured out allot. But you are shooting an azimuth with no compass, you have a map and your instincts, they betray you, you go in circles, I can't be bothered with you. Me - *SLAP* You - Mosquito
You should change your screen name to Mongoose Mike.
Fred old boy, a ferret is a mustelid. A mongoose is of the sub order Feliformia. Learn your taxonomic nomenclature. You embarrass yourself. A Wolverine, yes; a carnivore that eats grubs and bug and those real vermin of the planet, Cobras, no. And you know what snake is related to the cobra, home plasma? Why, the coral snake, blood. Imagine that, you think of me to be as a predator that munches on coral snakes. Why do you hate Coral you mean old Fred you. Nasty, horrible though, shame on you. Call me a Wolverine, known as a stink bear, killer and eater of long pig if hungry enough. Not animal smart, yes? This is not surprising, actually. You are not the brightest bulb in the Christmas tree light set Fred, but I like you enough. I wouldn't go head to head with me on flaming if I were you, some friendly advice. You are over your head quite quickly engaging in a venture like that. If you don't believe me, give me your best shot. I'll try to be gentle on you in return, but then again, if I am amused enough maybe I won't.
Is that all you can do is insult people and feign superiority?? 'wicca' is nothing more than occultism and is inspired by satan, aka the dark angel who was cast into hell by God. I suggest you learn about the True God, Jesus Christ and quit with the nonsense. If you don't mind me asking, a what age were you told that 'wicca' will somehow give you life's answers? Who fed you this line, and why did you believe it? Were you raised Christian like most Americans, and if so, did you merely reject Christianity in rebellion?
'Wicca' is nothing more than occultism and is inspired by satan, aka the dark angel who was cast into hell by God. I suggest you learn about the True God, Jesus Christ and quit with the nonsense. Hush yo mouth French fry. I was going to be gone for a few days so I was teasing my friend Fred. We have our differences, but he knows I was just funning him. As for CS, He tries hard, but he really mucks up the creative thinking department, and I am no more mean to him then any of my professors in college were to me. ;-) Now as for your slash and trash concerning my religion, I was NEVER,EVER, POSITIVELY IN NO DAMN WAY a Christian. I am master of my own head and know I never believed the teachings imposed on me as a kid and a youth. I don't buy it, and all I ever was concerned with was putting on the dog enough so people wouldn't bother me for knowing better then to believe that religion -- like many others -- was anything more then a vehicle to make life safer for rich, powerful people to oppress and steal, and to assimilate people into a culture deeper. We don't believe in your little Satan thing in Wicca. Fear and dread was the genesis of that fictional character, as love and fellowship is not enough alone to insure a high enough gate at the churches. I don't know, not care who fed you that line that Christ and his twelve boyfriends were the answer to anything, but if you are going to trash my strongly held religious beliefs, I will return tit for tat. Oh yes, and send down another one, we'll nail him up too. ;-)
Whatever you say, satan worshipper.
Heh, wow Fred, I'm just so wounded I am. CS initiated the exchange. The boy knows he's not going to trash my religion without a good verbal kick in the fat rump. When you rhetorically can do better then do a Richard Simmon's grade bitch slap, let me know. No offense, but I like flame wars with people with at least three digits to their IQ, and who have the fire in the belly to keep up with the exchange.
That must be Kali. ;-) Actually one of my friends made me a shrine to Kali and it sits in a place of honor as she is one of the most interesting of the Hindu deities. Thanks for the day brightener. ;-)
Well, KaliMata was banned by the British, but those wily polytheists promptly renamed her Durga and carry on, old chap. But, just between you and me, the Saffron Plan is going swimmingly. You know, set the Monotheists against each other. My god is the one true one, No MINE, no MINE, off with your head!
There seems to be allot of that going around these days. Even tacitly unstated when you get a hit and run attack like the two I got from a relatively unknown to me poster and a lightweight like Mertz is that if you don't buy their "religion of love," Christianity, you will be obliterated or at least shunned and tortured for your audacity to not buy into it. Of course they also would like some decapitation too to scare the stubborn into feigned belief of the travesty. Just a note; I was banned a week at el pee for that rhetorical statement and for pointing out those small throw-away bibles make great toilet paper when camping. I always love the outraged reaction as they take it on face value that I want to see anyone crucified. Of course my point always is that if an entity came down in the genuine persona as he is portrayed as in the Bible, those using him and speaking for him and making beaucoup bucks and accruing political power using him as a tool would be panicked and scared, and would try to shut up the real deal so it doesn't infringe on the con. I never said WHO would nail him up, because of the disconnect between what it is assumed I mean and what I really mean when I point out religious Christian con men would never tolerate a real Christ among them.
You made the mistake of thinking I was serious, witch worshipper.
You have taken upon yourself to be a nanny to ninnies like CS, TLBSHOWBOAT, and other dysfunctional, common sense and intellectually challenged individuals. This is your choice. Just don't make the mistake to think that those of us tired of your sucking up to cretins actually able to make you look good by comparison have an obligation to sustain you in your efforts. Snake's bits of the week the last two weeks were bizarre to say the least, more so then usual. He can't seem to ever spell, do the grammar thing, or keep from jumping to very harebrained conclusions on many things he has neither the education or tools to deal with adequately. That they were rushed with no attention to detail or carefully culled to present the creme de la creme of strange factoid is obvious to everyone, except him is seems. He sets him self up with his 'legend in his own mind' game, and if he or even you can't take the heat you can get in a forum, leave it. I just don't care if my slaps at CS piss you off Fred, your confederacy of dunces are your problem, not mine.
"I was pulled out of the tree." I think that's your alibi and you're sticking to it. Why didn't you shoot the cop in the forehead? You are such a wuss and it shows.
I never said that snookums. I said the security guard PRECIPITATED the fall. His actions made the fall inevitable, but he didn't directly pull me down. Read for content, Hasbro. The cop was the good guy. He showed up early and made the security guards from Gabriel security pull the fence back and away from me. This was a construction zone and they were content to see me fall and break in half. Sean McGean, the cop was a good guy, the security guard was the over zealous one. As for your silly contention that non-violent civil disobedience should employ violence, you are wrong. The entire point of non-violent civil disobedience is to show the public who the violent and evil ones in a game of political brinkmanship are. Read Mohandas K. Gandhi, they won their independence by cheerfully letting cops, security people and union bulls beat them up showing who had the moral authority in the Imperialism issue. Using guns can often be the coward's way out, In the context of what I was doing, I would have completely discredited myself and made non-violent disobedience harder to achieve in many areas of my and other advocacies. You are not going to rattle my cage in regards to that incident or any other sit I do. I have the courage not to use force. You are not remembering the specifics of the incident, which is the first thing you need to have at your command, because you not only mis-represent the reason we have a tradition of dissent in this country, you are going to mis-speak yourself as you try to remember an incident you briefly read once or at best twice. Try again, use something you have command of the facts regarding. Better luck next time. ;-D
You really are retarded. I apologize.
For what, saying I'm retarded? In that spirit, I'm sorry for hacking this hard on you Fred. Nobody is going to agree on everything, and we all have our own personalities in here. I don't feel I am any better then you Fred. So if you truly mean an apology, you have mine too.
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
#37 was to you.
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#11. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
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#13. To: Coral Snake (#11)
"So don't tell me that Wicca or Occultism and Darwinism are religions that do not practice Hegemony, Imperialism, theft and murder because I know different. Nazism was a Socialist/Darwinist/Wiccan Empire."
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
#16. To: Fred Mertz (#14)
"You should change your screen name to Mongoose Mike."
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
#20. To: Artisan, Fred Mertz, Coral Snake (#18)
Is that all you can do is insult people and feign superiority??
#21. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
#22. To: Fred Mertz (#21)
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
Don't mess with Mama!
#24. To: swarthyguy (#23)
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#25. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
#26. To: swarthyguy (#25)
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"My god is the one true one, No MINE, no MINE, off with your head!"
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
lightweight like Mertz
#31. To: Fred Mertz (#27)
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#33. To: Ferret Mike (#31)
#34. To: Fred Mertz (#33)
"I was pulled out of the tree."
"Why didn't you shoot the cop in the forehead? You are such a wuss and it shows."
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
The cop was the good guy.
#36. To: Fred Mertz (#35)
"I apologize."
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