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Title: The sucker punch. Were both christians and muslims created as punching bags for clandestine jewish rule?
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Published: Oct 12, 2006
Author: John Kaminski
Post Date: 2006-10-12 17:27:29 by christine
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... the Flavian emperors invented the character of Jesus to deceive the Jews into worshipping a false messiah. — Joseph Atwill A time is coming to men when he who adheres to his religion will be like one who seizes live coals." — Muhammad, Tirmidhi Hadith 5367 'Turn the other cheek' my ass! When somebody steals something from me, I'm going to do two things. I'm going to get it back, and I'm going to make sure he doesn't steal it again. Thus, in contemplating the poisonous gap between public crimes deceitfully reported by robot journalists as positive steps for freedom — and what is really going on in the world that leaves so many people bleeding and poisoned — you owe it to yourself to examine the major rules you learned as a child which you now follow in your presumably satisfying adult life. 'Turn the other cheek' is probably the main offender, but it is followed closely by 'it's better to give than receive' and shortly thereafter by 'render unto Caesar what is Caesar's!' All of these statements are subliminal cues to be a victim, and to give up what is rightfully yours without a fight, particularly if someone is trying to steal from you. Buddha advised taking nothing on faith. Thomas Jefferson thought God wanted us to use our brains. A new area of thought in my religious history studies brought me to Joseph Atwill's little known classic, "Caesar's Messiah," which describes a political trick of stupendous magnitude. Atwill describes "texts deliberately created to trick Messianic Jews into worshipping the Roman Emperor 'in disguise'." Atwill insists the so-called Christian Gospels are NOT accounts of a historically Jewish Jesus compiled by his followers 60 years after his death. (Notice how he slips in “Jewish Jesus.”) After centuries of Jewish slaughter culminating in the Jewish War in 70 A.D., Roman postwar propaganda sought to eradicate the Jewish threat by creating a literary equivalent to the Torah, according to Atwill. Events in the Bible correlate to events involving Julius Caesar in Gaul. Or as Atwill declaims forthrightly: To replace the Torah, then, the Romans created a literary equivalent, the gospel of Matthew (and shortly thereafter the Hellenistic and Roman versions known as Luke and Mark). <>http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/summary.html> Which brings us to the research of Francisco Carotta, who insists that the Jesus figure venerated by billions over the course of time was really a composite model based on none other than Divine Julius, the much-talked-about Roman emperor who brought an end to the republic phase of the empire’s history. <>http://www.carotta.de/> Carotta writes: Julius Caesar, son of Venus and founder of the Roman Empire, was elevated to the status of Imperial God, Divus Julius, after his violent death. The cult that surrounded him dissolved as Christianity surfaced. A cult surrounding Jesus Christ, son of God and originator of Christianity, appeared during the second century. Early historians, however, never mentioned Jesus and even now there is no actual proof of his existence. On the one hand, an actual historical figure missing his cult, on the other, a cult missing its actual historical figure: intriguing mirror images. The question that still dogs us down through the ages is this. Is the research of Atwill and Carotta just more of the same Jewish attempt to subvert the Catholic church and the true Christian faith for the purpose of denigrating and subverting the admirable messages of Jesus that so many people base their lives upon? Or, is it really true that some nefariously clever group of clandestine operatives created this divine mythos to keep us in mental chains and therefore more controllable? Sorry to leave you hanging, but I have to do more research, because I don’t know the answer and I bid you to help me consider the true dimensions of this dilemma. What I am really trying to illuminate is the effect of religious propaganda on people’s lives that really has nothing to do with an actual supreme deity, but more with political control. And for my money, nowhere is this phenomenon demonstrated more clearly than in the description by popular theology whistleblower Charles Carlson on the effect that a man named Cyrus Scofield has had on public Western thought. Carlson writes: The Scofield Reference Bible was not to be just another translation, subverting minor passages a little at a time. No, Scofield produced a revolutionary book that radically changed the context of the King James Version. It was designed to create a subculture around a new worship icon, the modern State of Israel, a state that did not yet exist, but which was already on the drawing boards of the committed, well-funded authors of World Zionism. One of the very few American clerics speaking out about current U.S. atrocities around the world, Carlson explains: “Scofield imitated a chain of past heretics and rapturists, most of whose credibility fizzled over their faulty end times prophesies. His mentor was one John Nelson Darby from Scotland, who was associated with the Plymouth Brethren and who made no less than six evangelical trips to the US selling what is today called "Darbyism." It is from Darby that Scofield is thought to have learned his Christian Zionist theology, which he later planted in the footnotes of the Scofield Reference Bible. The Oxford University Press owned "The Scofield Reference Bible" from the beginning, as indicated by its copyright, and Scofield stated he received handsome royalties from Oxford. Oxford's advertisers and promoters succeeded in making Scofield's bible, with its Christian Zionist footnotes, a standard for interpreting scripture in Judeo-Christian churches, seminaries, and Bible study groups. It has been published in at least four editions since its introduction in 1908 and remains one of the largest selling Bibles ever. And what does this really mean to us today? Carlson reveals a very interesting connection: Among more traditional churches that encourage, and in some cases recommend, the use of the Scofield Reference Bible is the huge Southern Baptist Convention of America, whose capture is World Zionism's crowning achievement. Our report on Southern Baptist Zionism, is titled "The Cause of the Conflict: Fixing Blame. So how do we know what we’re actually seeing? How do we identify this deliberate poisoning through interpolation and subtle footnotes in the supposedly holiest book on the planet? Carlson shows us. Scofield, whose work is largely believed to be the product of Darby and others, wisely chose not to change the text of the King James Edition. Instead, he added hundreds of easy-to-read footnotes at the bottom of about half of the pages, and as the Old English grammar of the KJE becomes increasingly difficult for progressive generations of readers, students become increasingly dependent on the modern language footnotes. Scofield was not a Bible scholar, Carlson writes, but an opportunist, a political animal with the charm and talent. Scofield's background reveals a criminal history, a deserted wife, a wrecked family, and a penchant for self-serving lies, a controllable man capable of carrying the secret to his grave. (See “The Incredible Scofield and His Book” by Joseph M. Canfield). Carlson, who hosts one of the great clearinghouses of literature on Jewish perfidy<,>http://whtt.org/>, concludes: It is no exaggeration to say that the 1967 Oxford 4th Edition deifies — makes a God of — the State of Israel, a state that did not even exist when Scofield wrote the original footnotes in 1908. This writer believes that, had it not been for misguided anti-Arab race hatred promoted by Christian Zionist leaders in America, neither the Gulf War nor the Israeli war against the Palestinians would have occurred, and a million or more people who have perished would be alive today. What makes Carlson say this? Listen just a bit longer. "FOR A NATION TO COMMIT THE SIN OF ANTI-SEMITISM BRINGS INEVITABLE JUDGMENT." (page 19-20, footnote (3) to Genesis 12:3.) (our emphasis added) Put that Scofield bible quote in your pipe and smoke it! This statement sounds like something from Ariel Sharon, or the Chief Rabbi in Tel Aviv, or Theodore Herzl, the founder of Modern Zionism. But these exact words are found between the covers of the 1967 Edition of the Oxford Bible that is followed by millions of American churchgoers and students and is used by their leaders as a source for their preaching and teaching. This essay has been a sucker punch. And chances are extremely high, especially if you’re a Christian evangelical shabbez goi like an Episcopalian or a Pentacostal still pretending to everyone that you have a conscience, then you’ve just been nailed .... right in your soul, in fact. Although judging by your lack of personal integrity about your own beliefs, you may not realize it. You may never. Think for a moment about this dark spiritual hegemony that rules our planet with empty platitudes and endless debauchery. Then remember St. John’s Epistle to the Jews (I’m making this up): “We know you’re scared because of all the vicious lies you’ve told and all the people you have so needless and callously killed. One thing religious people know and are always willing to forgive is simply that you admit your faults and ask forgiveness. That’s all there really is in this life, and knowing that makes all the difference. “All that is required is not hurting anybody else. “Quit f***ing around. Come home. Your family’s waiting for you. Otherwise, you’re going to hurt yourselves in a way that can’t be fixed.
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#2. To: christine (#0)
I've studied the Bible for at least 25 years. I've only been interested in finding the truth, not a religion. I find too much evidence of truth there to discard it, yet the more I learn the less I realize I know. I've quit responding pretty much to religious arguments because I know how long I've studied scriptures, how often I had thought I had conquered a certain level of understanding, only to have to re-evaluate my thinking and change my attitude. Of course, I'll keep searching, quietly for the most part, always keeping in mind that the Creator of this Universe doesn't need me to accomplish whatever goals He/She has in mind. The Scriptures tell us God can only be worshipped in "Spirit" and in "Truth" ... so, while I understand where Kaminski is coming from because I held the same opinion at one time; that opinion being that religions are used to create wars and control people. In spite of that I still find the Scriptures instructive. In the end our country will only survive if we are a moral people, voluntarily. When we choose to violate moral principles (that are prescribed in scripture) because it benefits us to the disadvantage of others, or is satisfying for the moment but detrimental over the long run, we deceive ourselves out of a contentment we would otherwise enjoy. Everyone is looking for solutions to what appears to be a police state and tyranny in our midst. The solution exists within us all, but it looks as if the thresh hold of pain or oppression must reach a higher level before the populace at large gets it. Until then we will do well to live our individual lives appropriately, resisting evil and doing good.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams
I do not believe Jesus existed and all I know is Christianity, Judaism, Islam and other religions have not been kind to my brand of religiosity. Humans are just animals too big for their britches and are a plague of locus on this planet. So when I run into people trying to beat up on me because to me, all the major Western religions - with all their admitted good things and graces, are into converting the web of life into profit and the entire planet surface is under the cruel thumb of human hegemony, I see them for what they are, as inherently sick and insane with power and greed lust with the desire to assimilate and oppress. When I hear that Jews are the primary danger and evil, I don't buy it. All current major Western religions are screwed up in their own special way. The Goddess does not just care about her hairless primate collection here on this blue bubble of a planet, she cares about the concert of life and the interlocking dependencies all have. All major religions have their way of assimilation to an accepted norm, and all work to make the many enrich and empower the few. Jews don't have a monopoly on this. The Bible is a joke as it was religious text picked and chosen to exclude the divine feminine and to promote a misogynous hegemony where women are chattel on one level or another and controlled by men. It was given a pie in the sky Heaven, Purgatory and Hell to calm and console those who are not enriched and empowered by this set-up, and I reject it completely as I do the Torah, the Koran, and all other such oppressive and slanted writings. Humans need to get offa their cloud and need to learn to be a responsible species once more or their Karma will doom them. I fully believe the Goddess is capable of dispassionately without judgementalism good or bad of just dealing with humanity as they have set up their own fall. The Goddess and the Universe She created acts in total dispassion to whether what happens to individual hairless primates - humans - good or bad. And they are no more special then any other life on the planet. This belief system is why I can't buy into pitting one side against another when I see the religions of both combatants claiming the other is conspiring since the beginning of time to do the other in as tail chasing I am well to steer clear of. I am respectful of anybody's faith, and believe that just because I am oppressed, it is no excuse or reason to be just as oppressive, vindictive or desirous of destruction of another's faith as they would tear mine apart as has been attempted by all of them since the beginning of civilization. Just because the others of various faiths are oppressive and hateful is no excuse or reason for us of the Goddess and Wicca to be the same. My religion is the one true one. It will always re-manifest itself and will be the only one in the end because it is pure and the true one. We Wicca do not have to proselytize, promote, oppress, badger, cajole or play power, money or hegemony games. The Goddess will triumph because she is the creator, and what is true will never be denied or destroyed. Let the blessings be.
With that anti-semetious post, I gonna call you an anti-semitian!
EXTREMELY well said. I take my hat off to you and to your wisdom. God Bless, Richard
The Solution is to apply, for the first time in the history of the United States, the Constitution to Washington, D.C.
When we choose to violate moral principles (that are prescribed in scripture) because it benefits us to the disadvantage of others, or is satisfying for the moment but detrimental over the long run, we deceive ourselves out of a contentment we would otherwise enjoy. Everyone is looking for solutions to what appears to be a police state and tyranny in our midst. The solution exists within us all, but it looks as if the thresh hold of pain or oppression must reach a higher level before the populace at large gets it. Until then we will do well to live our individual lives appropriately, resisting evil and doing good. Very good post, well said! I wish more people would realize this.
This is so incorrect. I hope the rest of the article has a fact straight. J Caesar ENDED the Repuplic. He, and his family, claimed to have descended from the union of (I think) Venus and Iulus, from the land of Troad (Troy). Iulus = the Julian linage. This is a classical demigod. Part God.
shut yo mouth
Of course, I'll keep searching, quietly for the most part, always keeping in mind that the Creator of this Universe doesn't need me to accomplish whatever goals He/She has in mind. The Scriptures tell us God can only be worshipped in "Spirit" and in "Truth" ... so, while I understand where Kaminski is coming from because I held the same opinion at one time; that opinion being that religions are used to create wars and control people. In spite of that I still find the Scriptures instructive. In the end our country will only survive if we are a moral people, voluntarily. Superb post.
“All that is required is not hurting anybody else.
#3. To: christine (#0)
(Edited)
#4. To: christine (#0)
I worship Israel. Kill all Arabs and let Allah sort 'em out. We are the chosen ones. Shalom.
#5. To: noone222 (#2)
#6. To: noone222, robin, mehitable, ferret mike, Burkeman1, All (#2)
In the end our country will only survive if we are a moral people, voluntarily.
#7. To: christine (#0)
(Edited)
Julius Caesar, son of Venus and founder of the Roman Empire,
#8. To: BlackSands (#4)
#9. To: noone222 (#2)
I've quit responding pretty much to religious arguments because I know how long I've studied scriptures, how often I had thought I had conquered a certain level of understanding, only to have to re-evaluate my thinking and change my attitude.
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#10. To: noone222 (#2)
That's it exactly.
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#3) (Edited)
I've got news for you Mr. Ferret. HITLER was an OCCULTIST, what we would call a "Wiccan" or "Neo-Pagan" today. (He was also tied to the Roman/Jesuit order through the SS which based their Heirarchal structure upon it). I know that unlike a lot of people here you believe in the Shoah or Holocaust. Well so do I and I know that the Shoah and other euthanasia projects of Nazi Germany were the products of OCCULTISM and also the Darwinist views you espouse (that man is only another "species" of animal with NO special rights or responsibilities brought about by his creation by God.) So don't tell me that Wicca or Occultism and Darwinism are religions that do not practice Hegemony, Imperialism, theft and murder because I know different. Nazism was a Socialist/Darwinist/Wiccan Empire.
#12. To: christine (#0)
Always liked that one best.
the gospel of Matthew
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
#13. To: Coral Snake (#11)
You are profoundly a dolt. An idiot. A nudnik You think you have figured out allot. But you are shooting an azimuth with no compass, you have a map and your instincts, they betray you, you go in circles, I can't be bothered with you. Me - *SLAP* You - Mosquito
"So don't tell me that Wicca or Occultism and Darwinism are religions that do not practice Hegemony, Imperialism, theft and murder because I know different. Nazism was a Socialist/Darwinist/Wiccan Empire."
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#13)
You should change your screen name to Mongoose Mike.
#15. To: Coral Snake, ferret mike (#11)
Satanism and Wicca are not synonymous, as easy as it is might be for the uninformed to make that judgement. In regards to Divinity, they are exact opposites. [Satanism: "I am my own God"..this is hardly Wicca] Neither is Occultism synonymous with the other two. In fact, I would venture out on a limb and say that Phsychology is an Occult science. [Occult is the study of hidden knowledge and inner nature which can not be quantified by a scientific empirical, and therefore, physical approach.] Is psychology evil? No..but it can be used for nefarious purposes, as can any science, ritual or religious system including the "accepted" ones. Hitler's belief's can not be used to infer "Wiccans, etc ad nauseum are Fascists."..anymore than it can be said that Fascists are all Wiccans, or Christians or anything else.
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#16. To: Fred Mertz (#14)
Fred old boy, a ferret is a mustelid. A mongoose is of the sub order Feliformia. Learn your taxonomic nomenclature. You embarrass yourself. A Wolverine, yes; a carnivore that eats grubs and bug and those real vermin of the planet, Cobras, no. And you know what snake is related to the cobra, home plasma? Why, the coral snake, blood. Imagine that, you think of me to be as a predator that munches on coral snakes. Why do you hate Coral you mean old Fred you. Nasty, horrible though, shame on you. Call me a Wolverine, known as a stink bear, killer and eater of long pig if hungry enough. Not animal smart, yes? This is not surprising, actually. You are not the brightest bulb in the Christmas tree light set Fred, but I like you enough. I wouldn't go head to head with me on flaming if I were you, some friendly advice. You are over your head quite quickly engaging in a venture like that. If you don't believe me, give me your best shot. I'll try to be gentle on you in return, but then again, if I am amused enough maybe I won't.
"You should change your screen name to Mongoose Mike."
#17. To: jessejane, Richard, Diana, IndieTX (#10)
Thank you all for the nice responses.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
Is that all you can do is insult people and feign superiority?? 'wicca' is nothing more than occultism and is inspired by satan, aka the dark angel who was cast into hell by God. I suggest you learn about the True God, Jesus Christ and quit with the nonsense. If you don't mind me asking, a what age were you told that 'wicca' will somehow give you life's answers? Who fed you this line, and why did you believe it? Were you raised Christian like most Americans, and if so, did you merely reject Christianity in rebellion?
#19. To: Artisan (#18)
Many potential Bible believers are unable to digest the volume of hypocrisy that is projected by the churches and religionists ... and, there is nothing in scripture that guarantees everyone will "get it" ... as a matter of fact the opposite is true ... we're informed that some will have eyes to see and ears to hear ... not all.
Were you raised Christian like most Americans, and if so, did you merely reject Christianity in rebellion?
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams
#20. To: Artisan, Fred Mertz, Coral Snake (#18)
'Wicca' is nothing more than occultism and is inspired by satan, aka the dark angel who was cast into hell by God. I suggest you learn about the True God, Jesus Christ and quit with the nonsense. Hush yo mouth French fry. I was going to be gone for a few days so I was teasing my friend Fred. We have our differences, but he knows I was just funning him. As for CS, He tries hard, but he really mucks up the creative thinking department, and I am no more mean to him then any of my professors in college were to me. ;-) Now as for your slash and trash concerning my religion, I was NEVER,EVER, POSITIVELY IN NO DAMN WAY a Christian. I am master of my own head and know I never believed the teachings imposed on me as a kid and a youth. I don't buy it, and all I ever was concerned with was putting on the dog enough so people wouldn't bother me for knowing better then to believe that religion -- like many others -- was anything more then a vehicle to make life safer for rich, powerful people to oppress and steal, and to assimilate people into a culture deeper. We don't believe in your little Satan thing in Wicca. Fear and dread was the genesis of that fictional character, as love and fellowship is not enough alone to insure a high enough gate at the churches. I don't know, not care who fed you that line that Christ and his twelve boyfriends were the answer to anything, but if you are going to trash my strongly held religious beliefs, I will return tit for tat. Oh yes, and send down another one, we'll nail him up too. ;-)
Is that all you can do is insult people and feign superiority??
#21. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
Whatever you say, satan worshipper.
#22. To: Fred Mertz (#21)
Heh, wow Fred, I'm just so wounded I am. CS initiated the exchange. The boy knows he's not going to trash my religion without a good verbal kick in the fat rump. When you rhetorically can do better then do a Richard Simmon's grade bitch slap, let me know. No offense, but I like flame wars with people with at least three digits to their IQ, and who have the fire in the belly to keep up with the exchange.
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
Don't mess with Mama!
Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.
#24. To: swarthyguy (#23) (Edited)
That must be Kali. ;-) Actually one of my friends made me a shrine to Kali and it sits in a place of honor as she is one of the most interesting of the Hindu deities. Thanks for the day brightener. ;-)
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#24)
Well, KaliMata was banned by the British, but those wily polytheists promptly renamed her Durga and carry on, old chap. But, just between you and me, the Saffron Plan is going swimmingly. You know, set the Monotheists against each other. My god is the one true one, No MINE, no MINE, off with your head!
Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.
#26. To: swarthyguy (#25) (Edited)
There seems to be allot of that going around these days. Even tacitly unstated when you get a hit and run attack like the two I got from a relatively unknown to me poster and a lightweight like Mertz is that if you don't buy their "religion of love," Christianity, you will be obliterated or at least shunned and tortured for your audacity to not buy into it. Of course they also would like some decapitation too to scare the stubborn into feigned belief of the travesty. Just a note; I was banned a week at el pee for that rhetorical statement and for pointing out those small throw-away bibles make great toilet paper when camping. I always love the outraged reaction as they take it on face value that I want to see anyone crucified. Of course my point always is that if an entity came down in the genuine persona as he is portrayed as in the Bible, those using him and speaking for him and making beaucoup bucks and accruing political power using him as a tool would be panicked and scared, and would try to shut up the real deal so it doesn't infringe on the con. I never said WHO would nail him up, because of the disconnect between what it is assumed I mean and what I really mean when I point out religious Christian con men would never tolerate a real Christ among them.
"My god is the one true one, No MINE, no MINE, off with your head!"
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
You made the mistake of thinking I was serious, witch worshipper.
lightweight like Mertz
#28. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
Jesus did come back. But he was institutionalized.
Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.
#29. To: Fred Mertz (#27) (Edited)
Actually I realized your meaning could go either way, so I just swatted you for it just for the general principle of things. Your post here is a case in point of how toothless your criticism is Fred. I worship Wicca practitioners? You are hanging around with Stonie boy if you think that bothers me. I don't dislike you Fred, you just are not able to challenge me intellectually out of sheer laziness or inability in a flame fight. So don't embarrass yourself buddy. You are only amusing me, at best, but hey, thanks for sharing. ;-D
"You made the mistake of thinking I was serious, witch worshiper."
#30. To: swarthyguy (#28)
Heh, very likely this is so. A deity in an 'I love myself' jacket and a room in a double lock facility, this culture is very capable of doing this. Though I am fully convinced if they had him and knew for a fact who it was, they would be frightened and waste him. It is just not good business having the man with the light shine it on the various dens of cockroaches around who claim to represent him.
"But he was institutionalized."
#31. To: Fred Mertz (#27) (Edited)
You have taken upon yourself to be a nanny to ninnies like CS, TLBSHOWBOAT, and other dysfunctional, common sense and intellectually challenged individuals. This is your choice. Just don't make the mistake to think that those of us tired of your sucking up to cretins actually able to make you look good by comparison have an obligation to sustain you in your efforts. Snake's bits of the week the last two weeks were bizarre to say the least, more so then usual. He can't seem to ever spell, do the grammar thing, or keep from jumping to very harebrained conclusions on many things he has neither the education or tools to deal with adequately. That they were rushed with no attention to detail or carefully culled to present the creme de la creme of strange factoid is obvious to everyone, except him is seems. He sets him self up with his 'legend in his own mind' game, and if he or even you can't take the heat you can get in a forum, leave it. I just don't care if my slaps at CS piss you off Fred, your confederacy of dunces are your problem, not mine.
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
I didn't fall out of a forty foot tree. You crack me up.
You are only amusing me, at best, but hey, thanks
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#31)
"I was pulled out of the tree." I think that's your alibi and you're sticking to it. Why didn't you shoot the cop in the forehead? You are such a wuss and it shows.
#34. To: Fred Mertz (#33)
I never said that snookums. I said the security guard PRECIPITATED the fall. His actions made the fall inevitable, but he didn't directly pull me down. Read for content, Hasbro. The cop was the good guy. He showed up early and made the security guards from Gabriel security pull the fence back and away from me. This was a construction zone and they were content to see me fall and break in half. Sean McGean, the cop was a good guy, the security guard was the over zealous one. As for your silly contention that non-violent civil disobedience should employ violence, you are wrong. The entire point of non-violent civil disobedience is to show the public who the violent and evil ones in a game of political brinkmanship are. Read Mohandas K. Gandhi, they won their independence by cheerfully letting cops, security people and union bulls beat them up showing who had the moral authority in the Imperialism issue. Using guns can often be the coward's way out, In the context of what I was doing, I would have completely discredited myself and made non-violent disobedience harder to achieve in many areas of my and other advocacies. You are not going to rattle my cage in regards to that incident or any other sit I do. I have the courage not to use force. You are not remembering the specifics of the incident, which is the first thing you need to have at your command, because you not only mis-represent the reason we have a tradition of dissent in this country, you are going to mis-speak yourself as you try to remember an incident you briefly read once or at best twice. Try again, use something you have command of the facts regarding. Better luck next time. ;-D
"I was pulled out of the tree."
"Why didn't you shoot the cop in the forehead? You are such a wuss and it shows."
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
You really are retarded. I apologize.
The cop was the good guy.
#36. To: Fred Mertz (#35)
For what, saying I'm retarded? In that spirit, I'm sorry for hacking this hard on you Fred. Nobody is going to agree on everything, and we all have our own personalities in here. I don't feel I am any better then you Fred. So if you truly mean an apology, you have mine too.
"I apologize."
#37. To: All (#18)
You're saying that you were raised Christian (just as I suspected) and that you actually 'never believed it', just played along to not be bothered? And how were you introduced to 'wicca'? Maybe the person or sources which first exposed you to this had malicious intent. Have you ever considered that? Also, what religion specifically were you raised in, if you don't mind me asking? One more thing. the devil wants people to believe he doesn't exist.
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#36)
#37 was to you.
#39. To: Artisan (#37)
I never ever saw anything about the tales of this religion to be more than bore-some bothers from my earliest memory. I remember in catechism in the first year I had it how the nun told us to never touch anything below our waist; to not even look. I recognized a deranged person, and anything else she had to say was suspect. I was always dropped off in later years with my siblings while my single parent went home to nip at the bottle. In fact, we had been stuck there waiting in vain for her to come pick us up. The only hymn I remember was one a bastard bullied, belittled and insulted us young people to learn because, "we weren't singing in mass enough." It was the only time they let him do that, not because of the abusive trappings, but because religious training time had been used up by his tirade laden instruction. When I got old enough to say no, I was allowed to not go to mass. I made sure that no was absolute and understood profoundly too. I was lucky, I got to see the hypocrisy and falseness of this faith early in life. I am proud I never did more then go along with the 'go to mass crap.' In fact, the last time I had been ever asked to go to mass at my Grandmothers I flat refused. I made sure Wicca was on my dog tags in the Army, and I made it plain that I want nothing to do with false religious messages like Christianity. Make absolutely no mistake about it, I in no way, shape nor form want ever to have anything personally to do with Christianity. I respect it as a major religion like Islam, Judaism, and Hinduism, but I want no part of it. I did? I studied Native American culture and their superior outlook on the value of all life and understanding of religion led me to Wicca. I didn't have someone like a screeching thumper of the (un)holy Babble sell me any snake oil. I escaped from Goddess botherers who would dress her in drag. He doesn't, how convenient a line of B.S your sentence is.
"You're saying that you were raised Christian (just as I suspected) and that you actually 'never believed it', just played along to not be bothered?"
"And how were you introduced to 'Wicca'? Maybe the person or sources which first exposed you to this had malicious intent. Have you ever considered that?"
"One more thing. the devil wants people to believe he doesn't exist."
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#39)
I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for answering my questions, nevertheless. I try to retain Christian charity but understand there is a desire to have fallen away Catholics go back to their faith. Of course as Catholics we believe that once one is baptised Catholic, you are always Catholic. Sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience with the church.; but God chooses those he wants in his flock,; you were blessed to be chosen, and it is your choice to accept or reject this faith. And yes satan does indeed exist and uses false tools such as 'wicca' and pagan rituals to decieve people!
Make absolutely no mistake about it, I in no way, shape nor form want ever to have anything personally to do with Christianity.
#41. To: christine (#0)
about one thing there is no doubt-regardless of who wrote the tracts that make up the bible, it was edited by rome, then re edited several more times. i cannot think of a belief system more appropriate to enslavement by the state than that which comports itself as christianity today. 1. wait for the messiah, do nothing 2. give to 'caesar' what is 'his' 3. turn the other cheek etc. of course, the preachers never quote these sections. for obvious reasons... 1. sell your cloak, buy a sword. 2. turning over the moneychangers tables in the temples, and whipping them with braided cords. rather hard to manage 'sheep' if they get these sort of ideas. better yet to tell them to be subservient, docile, meek, and to turn the other cheek.
#42. To: gengis gandhi (#41)
You're right that many today seem to be willing to be servile to the state, usually unde the guise of that Romans passage-- I have even seen people justify voting for & supporting schawrzenegger and bush for this reason, despite their countless glaringly anti-Christian acts. However I was taught and believe that we're oblligated to oppose a corrupt state and disregard unjust laws, if the laws oppose God's laws and Christian precepts...because morality transcends petty tyrants and politics and supposed 'law'. I'm not actually here to debate religion and this denomintaion vs that one, etc. But for Catholics, what stated above, is in the theology of the Catholic Church- we by no means must be servile to a corrupt state! There are many writings for example on property rights, an inherent God given right which no 'law' can rightfully take away. The Popes wrote extensively about this in their encyclicals. Also the official Cathechism even lists & explains under what conditions violence is justifiable- I'll find that if anyone wants to see it. Along with the just war doctrine, (which today's GOP ignores and contradicts) Joe Sobran is a good writer on these topics. Catholic commentator Pat Buchanan doesn't seem to focus so much on the religious aspect of his anti-war views, but I can bet they are his foundation for them.
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