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Title: Pokerface - The houseband of the Second American Revolution
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Published: Oct 13, 2006
Author: Pokerface
Post Date: 2006-10-13 10:25:17 by Lod
Keywords: Take, Back, Control
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Comments: 16

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#2. To: lodwick (#0)

Pokerface - The houseband of the Second American Revolution

Nice band. But it's the Third American Revolution. We lost the Second One in 1865.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-10-13   11:59:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: bluedogtxn (#2)

We lost the Second One in 1865.

I like to think that the hosilities just ceased...

Lod  posted on  2006-10-13   12:35:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lodwick (#4)

I like to think that the hosilities just ceased...

It was Robert E. Lee's fault. When the Army of N. Virginia could have gone into the mountains, converted into a guerrilla army and made the occupation and plunder of the free confederacy a monstrously difficult undertaking requiring decades, he chose to surrender at Appomattox instead. In his mind the "honorable discharge" upon the field of battle was the way the war had to be decided.

I guess it was the fault of the whole military tradition of the times. Neither the Vietnamese nor the Iraqis, on the other hand, are burdened with our martial traditions. They know how to run an insurgency.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-10-13   12:45:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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I guess it was the fault of the whole military tradition of the times. Neither the Vietnamese nor the Iraqis, on the other hand, are burdened with our martial traditions. They know how to run an insurgency.

Excellent point.

But Lee knew how we fought to defeat the British...maybe he was just tired of all the death and destruction on both sides.

Lod  posted on  2006-10-13 13:02:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: bluedogtxn, lodwick (#5)

he was too old and sick to be the leader of a band of starving outlaws.

The prospect of resulting to highway robbery and plunder was unthinkable for him, and he was even prepared to pay for the shoes they intended to commandeer in Gettysburg.

And, after Pickett's Charge he was burdened with a heavy guilt, so much so that asking his men to starve and hide would have been the antithesis of the honor for which he believed he was fighting.

he was also well aware of the savagery that Sherman would visit on women and children had he taken to the hills and played hit and run with The GAR.

The Army Of Northern Virginia was in no shape to serve as guerillas. They didn't have the inspiration or will to serve without (even an over-extended) supply line.

Most would have followed orders of course, but, one cannot hide an army of that size, never mind feed and supply them. Hell, they'd have had to eat their horses, and that would have left them without cannons.

Even a stubby, mountain howitzer (which required no limber) was moved on the back of a horse.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-13 13:26:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: bluedogtxn (#5)

It was Robert E. Lee's fault.

I don't agree with your exact analysis because the south had no resources left at that time and what you recommend would've provided such horrible fighting. the people would've supported the geurilla fighters of the south and the northern troops would've taken it out on the people. and the south was defeated militarilly at that time when lee surrendered.

but Lee did make great mistakes at Gettysburgh. that cost them. the south did a fantastic job fighting the war, but the north had more men & resources by far - that is why they won.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-10-13 13:30:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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