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Title: "You Shall Not Kill" Has No Meaning In The Real World Of Religion
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Published: Oct 15, 2006
Author: By Dennis Diehl
Post Date: 2006-10-15 17:13:21 by Mind_Virus
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"You Shall Not Kill" Has No Meaning In The Real World Of Religion By Dennis Diehl One of the shortest and most simple of the Ten Commandments is "You shall not kill." Pretty simple. "You shall not kill." Any questions? Well of course there are questions. Even Dirty Harry said "some people need killin'." Killing is what the religions of "the Book" do best when push comes to shove. Both say "You shall not kill," and yet both kill, often and with great enthusiasm at times. Actually all religions that have exclusive ownership of the Deity's truth are killers when they run out of ideas of just how to logically explain the Good News and spread it. What "You shall not kill," tends to mean is "each other," but that also proves, in fact, to be a joke. The entire Old Testament is filled with the exploits of a god that demands that these special people "do not kill," and yet do nothing but kill all those that get in the way of them and their God. If your last name ended in "kites or ites," you were pretty much going to get anhilated sooner or later by the people of the God who said, "You shall not kill." If you were the wives, daughters, sons and babies of the same, you also had had it...oh and your animals too. I know Christians, I guess that's what they call themselves, who say that we just need to kill all Islamics and turn Iraq and Iran into a smoking parking lot, for Jesus. These people really do have shit for brains when it comes to discerning the spirituality of their religious heroes. They sing Onward Christian soldiers far too often and with way too much enthusiasm. I hate that hymn. I do love the verse that says "Like a mighty army moves the church of God; Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod. We are not divided, all one body we, One in hope and doctrine, one in charity." The fact is that "the Church" is far from not divided and they are about as one in hope and doctrine as the Taliban and Hari Krishnas. I'd say than the Baptists and the Taliban, but they are way too much alike in hope and doctrine. Maybe that's why they can't seem to get a grip on this "You shall not kill" thing. When Moses went up onto Mount Sinai to receive the Ten Commandments (Exodus 19:20), he left the Israelites for forty days and forty nights (Exodus 24:18). The Israelites feared that he would not return, and asked Aaron to make gods for them (Exodus 32:1). The Bible does not note Aaron's opinion of this request, merely that he complied, and gathered up the Israelites' golden earrings. He melted them and constructed the golden calf. The calf came to mind and was worshipped because this was the time in history when Taurus the Bull was the sign of the zodiac that dominated the Spring Equinox. Religions tend to worship the animal that occupied this sign in terms of astro-theology. This would be around 2000 BC when Taurus was passing out of this position due to the procession of the equinoxes and Aries the Lamb was taking it's place. At any rate, Aaron makes an altar and they all have a party. Bad move. God decides to kill the people, even though He just wrote "You shall not kill" with his own finger. Moses begged him to rethink this position. (Exodus 32:11); the Lord relented. Moses went down from the mountain, but upon seeing the calf, he too became angry. He threw down the tablets upon which God's law had been written, and broke them. Moses then burnt the golden calf in the fire, ground it to powder, scattered it on water, and forced the Israelites to drink it. After a bit of an interview with Aaron, Moses had "every man slay his neighbor and in that day about 3000 perished." He then picked up the Ten Commandments I suppose and told them "You shall not kill." Go figure. Great stuff! Moses is standing there with the words "You shall not kill," in his arms and what happens? He goes ballistic, puts the tablets down and no doubt thinks, "we'll discuss this later," and orders the slaughter of 3000 or so people who were afraid after over a month, the man had gotten lost, died or went back to Egypt and forgot to mention it. To make it more personal, "every man was to slay his neighbor." Sure, easy enough. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, as they say, to see why Fundamentalist Christians, Zionist Devotees and governments that swear they trust in God, get their ideas about what exactly "You shall not kill" means in practical fact. Here are several examples of how "You shall not kill" works. Kill all who do not listen to their priests. Great idea! Even if they are wrong, no one is going to mention it. "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches, which today means environmentalists, Wiccans and those who go to church by sitting on rocks in rivers and in the mountains to think quietly about what life means to them. "You should not let a sorceress live." (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Of course, Kill Homosexuals. "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill the nice lady who is a Fortuneteller. That's the job of the Priests and male Prophets. "A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death." (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Kill the kids who get a bit too angry with issues unresolved. Abraham taking Isaac up to sacrifice him without discussing it comes to mind. "Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Kill the kids who don't hit the folks, but verbally respond inappropriately. The lamp going out thing is not mom and dad sayin' "night, night" as we might think. "If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness." (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) Death for Adultery. Please keep in mind here, the issue is taking a man's property, not romance. "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) And for hormone flushed teens and single people, Death for Fornication. Prominent teens are a great example to others. "A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death." (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions, which would be most of the planet. Notice, there are other gods in this context, but the jealous god won't tolerate it. "Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed." (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers, which again would be most humans. "They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets, which would have included Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel if you asked the right questions. "If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through." (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God "...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God." Deuteronomy 13:13-19. Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night. Oi, How do they figure out who is and who isn't and who collects this information? "But if this charge is true, and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death... (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions especially if they are you beloved partner or intimate friend. "If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods...kill him... (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) Kill Anyone, but Levites, who Approaches the Tabernacle "...Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath. No wonder attendance is down. "...Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Don't even thing of being curious or wonder if what you are told is true. (How long does it take 50,000 ment to look into the ark? "And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men... (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV) Kill Sons of Sinners. Seems a bit unfair to me, but what do I know. This could make certain government types nervous. "Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) Kill Men, Women, and Children, which is an oft repeated command. "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT) Generally mean killing. Be sure to kill the kids so the parents can die seeing it happen. "Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT) Makes you wonder about those folks that demand the Ten Commandments be displayed in the State House doens't it? Why is it that Judaism and Christianity in particular trumpet their great laws and rules for good living, such as we think we find in the Ten Commandments, and are the worst killers on the planet at times? Why are there a hundred exceptions to the simple truth of "You shall not kill," to where it is a meaningless law? Why has the Christian church murdered and slaughtered it's way into the hearts of good Christians everywhere and somehow it's ok both historically and to this very day? I'd say it has a lot to do with thinking that somehow all of the above examples are still the way to go and how God still wishes things to be. Frankly it's what you get when you mix the new wine in the old wineskin, but they don't seem to find that a reason to stop dong it. Killing others is a pure power ploy on the part of the perverted, it seems to me. In many ways, the Ten Commandments are not as deeply spiritual truths as some would make them out to be. The reason one is not allowed to worship other gods is because this God is apparently a jealous one and won't tolerate the worship of other gods. Notice it doesn't say there aren't any, it just says worship of them is not tolerated by this jealous God. Jealousy implies competition. Rules about killing seemed to mean "each other," as noted. Rules about coveting seemed to include women as the property of another man you should not covet and the reason you don't commit adultery. It's not about love. The other woman was property, like the ox and ass. You don't take your neighbors property, well your Israelite neighbor's at least Rules about stealing went unheeded wholesale in plundering defeated nations and often it was the young virgins "that had never known a man," that were part of the booty, however the heck you figure that out, don't ask. Israelite men, who no doubt grew weary of killing the good looking women, finally had the laws of killing amended such that if they found a virgin they liked and wanted to play with, they could spare her and enjoy after a thirty day mourning period for her parents that, no doubt, were killed before her eyes. So see, rules can change too. Well we see that in our own government that makes one set of rules for the masses and then exceptions for themselves. But back to this killing thing. Why does it not mean what it says to the two major spiritualities, so called, that claim ownership of the rules? For the most part it seems that killing is ok when it is defensive killing. The problem is that in the eye of the killers, all killing is defensive. Killing seems to be ok when a person or a country feels "threatened." Actually there are no "attackers" on the entire planet earth, only "defenders," as noted by Neil Donald Walsh. Everyone who attacks someone is merely defending something and that makes it ok. Whatever "you shall not kill" was supposed to mean, it has no meaning in practical fact or practice. Personally, much of the injunctions to kill "men, women, children and all their cattle" seems to issue forth mostly from the prophets, who seem to me to have symptoms similar to schizophrenia and rank narcissism for the Lord. I have written elsewhere on the topic of asking whether much of what passes for religious belief and devotion on the part of those that want to extend the Old Testament ways of governing to other, might in fact be mental illness disguised under the garb of devote religion. Actually I believe it often is, including some of the most kill oriented leaders, under "God", in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. Maybe it's time to declare modern religion to be "Non-Prophet." Is there a time to kill others? I suppose so. Solomon thought so. But killing seems to be what you do when you run out of other ideas like talking, discussing, tolerating and remembering that all people don't view things the same way as others. Everyone has different experiences and just happens to grow up where they grow up, no one having asked them permission to have it be as it is. Palenstinians kill because they are being pushed out. Israelis kill because they are being pushed at. Iraqis kill because they are being over run and taken advantage of, and Americans kill because they are told it is to protect our freedoms and keep them from coming "over here." Some Christian types kill because you or I won't believe their tall tales about how close they are in touch with the true Church or ways of the true Deity and how out of whack our particular ideas are to theirs. Close down all religious reactions and motives for a month and see how peaceful the front page reads and how much less anguish, crying and shock over the deaths of loved ones occurs. Just a thought. God save me from your followers, as they say. Makes me nervous to think we have those in government who think there is a bridge between the Bible and religion and secular government instead of a wall. It's SEPARATION of Church and State and Freedom of ALL religion, not just the chosen ones. Whatever "You shall not kill" means to Christians and those of the "the Book," it really means nothing discernable in the real world of religion. Something is really sick about how devotees interperate their spirituality. Perhaps it's only about power and control of others after all. "He who kills the first one, has obviously run out of sane ideas." "You shall not kill." Perhaps we need to either practice it and not just recite it, or get a new text with a bit fewer repulsive examples of how it is to be administered.
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#1. To: Mind_Virus, yertle turtle (#0)
That's Yertle Turtle's franchise.
Great article, pretty much sums up why I have trouble with bible religions. I would've been put to death at least ten times.
Hey, no fair. Besides, the correct translation is "Thou Shalt Not Murder."
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
I would've been put to death at least ten times. I'd be beheaded as well. LOL. I've been having problems with all religion lately for various reasons. Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night. Oi, How do they figure out who is and who isn't and who collects this information?
#2. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
#3. To: tom007 (#1)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night. Oi, How do they figure out who is and who isn't and who collects this information?
#4. To: Diana (#2)
I have trouble with bible religions.
It is worth noting, however, that the above quotes are all from the Old Testament [Jewish Law and History] not Christianity [Christ's teachings].
***LEAP***
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#5. To: Diana (#2)
I would've been put to death at least ten times.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
#6. To: YertleTurtle (#5)
Wow...a classic etching from the early days of FR. Isn't that 'Sinkspur' on the left?
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#7. To: Mind_Virus (#0)
hahahahaha...love it.
I know Christians, I guess that's what they call themselves, who say that we just need to kill all Islamics and turn Iraq and Iran into a smoking parking lot, for Jesus. These people really do have shit for brains when it comes to discerning the spirituality of their religious heroes.
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
#8. To: YertleTurtle (#5)
Terrible. Christianity sure has had it's ugly moments in history. I had a discussion with someone about it once, and they said not to blame the religion but the faulty nature of humans who twist religion to suit their sadistic tendencies. However it's still hard for me to know that so many people have died in the name of religion. I have read Jesus's words and I must say he does not strike me as promoting violence at all, though people have been killing in his name for centuries. The older I get the more I realize what vile creatures humans really are.
#9. To: who knows what evil (#6)
Definately. Aaron's right behind him, as usual.
Isn't that 'Sinkspur' on the left?
#10. To: Diana (#8)
Not all of them! The older I get the more I realize what vile creatures humans really are.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
#11. To: YertleTurtle, diana (#10)
How'd you find a pic of Diana??
#12. To: tom007, Diana (#11)
I've got dozens of them. Want to see the ones in a bikini?
How'd you find a pic of Diana??
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
#13. To: YertleTurtle (#12)
I'm good, thanks. Do you have one in a walrus disco suit?
I've got dozens of them. Want to see the ones in a bikini?
#14. To: tom007 (#13)
No, but I've got me doing the Twist. I'm good, thanks. Do you have one in a walrus disco suit?
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
#15. To: YertleTurtle (#14)
You seem to be proficent at your chosen style of dance.
#16. To: tom007 (#15)
That's actually a guy who calls himself "Beatle Bob." His purpose in life is to dance in front of crowds at local clubs. That's all he does.
You seem to be proficent at your chosen style of dance.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
#17. To: YertleTurtle (#16)
Well he dosn't hurt anybody,so I'll put him far above our so called "leaders",.
#18. To: Diana (#8)
You're very lucky to live in an area that has so few of these 'vile creatures. I live in an area teeming with 'rapture monkeys', and they are really obsessed with beating the war drums. "By their fruits", and all that...have these folks actually READ the Bible?
The older I get the more I realize what vile creatures humans really are.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#19. To: who knows what evil, tom007, robin, YertleTurtle, IndieTX, Red Jones, ferret mike (#18)
That's something that has often puzzled me, how the fundie Christians are so very rigid and how they look their noses down on people who don't believe the same things they do. Also as you said they are the first to beat the war drums and to demonize others, in this case Muslims. "All Muslims must die!!" proclaim some of these super-Christians. When the war started against Iraq because of Saddam's WMD's, I read Jesus's words to see what his stance might be. From what I read I got the impression he would not have approved of what is going on at all, but people take the bible and twist it to suit their bloodlusts I guess, though I still don't understand why fundies appear to love violence so. I suspect many of them are not deep thinkers, and watch FOX news and listen to talk radio and come to believe Jesus wants all Muslims to die. I am lucky in that there aren't many of those where I live, most of the people here are peaceful Eskimos and a collection of assorted oddballs like me.
I live in an area teeming with 'rapture monkeys', and they are really obsessed with beating the war drums. "By their fruits", and all that...have these folks actually READ the Bible?
#20. To: YertleTurtle (#3)
Bingo. If the commandment had included wartime death between combatants, it would have said, "Thou shalt neither kill nor slay." The words have a different meaning in this day and age compared to those definitions used in the time of the translation of the King James Bible. Very good, you do know your stuff to be aware of this.
"Besides, the correct translation is "Thou Shalt Not Murder."
#21. To: Diana (#19)
Like they say..."Who would Jesus bomb"?
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#22. To: who knows what evil, Diana (#21)
Sums it up nicely. The article at this thread addresses this issue as well. The WH actually calls the fundies names. Like they say..."Who would Jesus bomb"?
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
I asked a Jewish friend of mine what the correct translation was, and he said the worl clearly meant "murder." He also told me Moses wandered in the desert for 40 years so all the slaves would die off and that mentality would go with them.
"Besides, the correct translation is "Thou Shalt Not Murder." Bingo. If the commandment had included wartime death between combatants, it would have said, "Thou shalt neither kill nor slay."
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
#24. To: IndieTX (#4)
Hmmmm........Jesus was a Jew. Jesus quoted Old Testament Scriptures (important in that the NT wasn't written yet). Further, Jesus Christ said he didn't come to eliminate the law; that not one jot or tittle would be changed til heaven and earth end.
It is worth noting, however, that the above quotes are all from the Old Testament [Jewish Law and History] not Christianity [Christ's teachings].
#25. To: IndieTXl (#24)
With that said, this is nothing but a hit piece, taken with no context at all, and made to appear what it isn't. But then, that should be expected in todays' climate. No doubt, we could take the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, and by cutting and pasting, we could some up with something seemingly outrageous in todays world. I should have said that with my prior post.
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