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Title: Confessions Of A 911 Hitman
Source: www.rense.com
URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general73/confess.htm
Published: Oct 15, 2006
Author: Douglas Herman
Post Date: 2006-10-15 23:45:22 by robin
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Confessions Of A 911 Hitman
How & Why I Helped Blow Up The World Trade Center
By Douglas Herman
Exclusive to Rense.com
10-13-6

I'm retired now. But five years ago I helped blow up the WTC complex. I was paid a half million dollars, tax free, for my time and trouble. I don't know what the rest of my crew was paid--maybe a little more, maybe a little less. Not that I care much. In operations like this one, where dozens and dozens of top technicians operated like a team, nobody knew the entire operation or who was who, or what everybody got paid---the big picture, as people call it. Better that way. Better that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
Living on the beach here in Cartagena, Columbia I've had lots of time to reflect. Lots more time to wonder. What surprises me most, however, is how very few intelligent people in America question the obvious signature of the crime, even after five years.

How did we do it and why did we do it? The absolute audacity and cleverness still surprises me. The planners knew that success was the only option and so they spent years, not months, designing the perfect plan. What you call murder, I call the perfect crime. What you call an act of terror, I call the perfect diversion.
The intelligent people who run your country know that America depends on a continuous supply of oil. They also know that Americans use far more oil than they can produce here in America. They also know that if anyone in the Middle East were allowed to sell oil for euros--which Iraq attempted to do and Iran is threatening to do---and thus break the monopoly of US petrodollars, America might just go down the tubes. At least that is how it was explained to me, one of the reasons we were doing what we were doing, in the weeks and months during our furious preparations.
But if the US was attacked by terrorists, however, by rogue clients of ME states, then America could retaliate, occupy their countries, insert puppet leaders like the Shah of Iran, and continue siphoning oil forever. And hundreds of people would make billions, while thousands of multinational companies--not just Halliburton--would profit immensely.

And so America needed to be attacked.
But the attack needed to be spectacular. And the targets needed to be high image targets that represented America but was really stuff that could be rebuilt. Rebuilt at a profit. And so you saw the Pentagon targeted rather than the Congress building. Because Congress still needed someplace to meet and declare war against those nations that attacked America.
MY job was to wire explosives inside the various WTC buildings. We wired buildings 1, 2, 6, and 7. We hardwired some areas and attached explosives and electronic detonators to many other key structural joints. We did this weeks in advance. WTC-7 fell in a classic controlled demolition (See example) but the Twin Towers required a lot more ingenuity. The fellow who planned the actual sequence of detonations is a genius. He was rumored to have been paid seven or eight figures and is a fucking master. Almost like a composer of a symphony orchestra but better. Much better.

Entry into even the most secure areas of the WTC complex was easy. The badges and identifications were specially made. We had a guy at the top, an insider, who supplied the entry passes. We were the invisible people, those people who you see everyday but don't see. We were the janitors and maintenance men you take for granted but who have far more access in your own building than you'll ever have. Like I said, this whole operation was designed years in advance and took months to assemble the teams of top specialists. Then we worked weeks together to attack each key area of the plan. Like a builder using a blueprint.
Those people who say it couldn't be done, or only hijackers in airplanes could do it, really piss me off. Because we did it. For example, instead of building the Hoover Dam we took it down, piece by piece in a couple hours, and made each step look believable. Made it look like the dam just burst naturally.

The majority of ignorant people say, "fires brought the buildings down." We just smile and say, yes they did. Most people don't know that steel doesn't melt from fuel fires but melted steel was found weeks later in the substructure of the WTC. Nobody seems to want to know how that happened to perfectly good steel. Most people don't know thermite was used in World War II or that explosives and detonaters can be attached and then remotely detonated from blocks away in whatever sequence you choose. That was why when you watched the middle part of the towers explode--pancake down as the experts claimed---the upper parts of the twin towers were being simultaneously detonated as the lower parts were crumbling. If we hadn't done that you would have seen 30 to 40 story segment sitting on the rubble pile.
Like I said it was a work of genius.
Am I sorry that almost 3,000 people got killed? Sure. Are you sorry that you, personally, use so much foreign oil?

And are you sorry that all these faked resource wars have to be concocted so that you can get that oil and live comfortably? Didn't think so.

Investigators on those TV crime shows, the CSI people, always try to understand who benefits by the bloody crime. If you understand that many people benefitted by 9-11, by the WTC destruction, then you are more than halfway to solving the crime. Not just who dunnit, but how dunnit and why dunnit.
The benefits of the plan were manifold. Everyone involved profited. The political zealots at the Pentagon got there holy war, or wars, that would benefit Israel while weakening the entire ME. The corporate--connected people got billions in new contracts. The military people got new toys.

Meanwhile the more pragmatic planners assembled a team to start removing gold and silver from below building 4 as soon as the remote-controlled planes struck the towers. We had teams taking bullion from the vaults immediately before and after the towers fell. Miles of tunnels connected the complex. Teams had seven hours to remove as much bullion as they could. The falling towers, the smoke, the fires, the sirens, that was all a grand diversion going on in the streets above. Like I said the plan was designed to appear to be an Islamic terrorist attack yet functioned perfectly as an enormous, gigantic bank robbery. The biggest heist in history.
Was I underpaid? Probably. But I was just one cog in this smooth functioning yet risky machine. Some internet blogger speculated that only 50-51 men could pull off this perfect crime, but I think it had to be several hundred experts involved.
Who were we? Americans, Israelis, South Africans, Brits, Irish. All top specialists. The best of the best. Like that popular TV show, the Mission Impossible force, that was us. Quite a few former special forces, several top intelligence men, financial wizards, some foreign mercenaries, Israeli demo specialists, electronic specialists, security specialists. You name it.
How to keep everyone quiet, you ask? You heard the old saying, two can keep a secret if one of them is dead? Well a thousand can keep a secret if everyone is happy and everyone is very well paid. You also heard that old saying, honor among thieves? Well why would anyone want to rat on someone else? And even if one person got shitfaced drunk and bragged about bringing down the trade towers, who would believe him. After all, we all saw the hijacked jets crashed into the Trade Towers, right? And then we all saw that fuel fires weakened the steel and brought down those same towers, right?

No one will ever catch us. Who would investigate? Hugo Chavez? We commited the perfect crime and got away with it.
But like I said at the beginning, the crime was obviously a crime to anyone who even glanced at the pictures on the TV. It was so fucking obvious it still makes me laugh. What happened was a classic diversion. The towers fell; two or three ME countries were blamed. A suitable villain was fingered.
But you have hundreds of millions in stolen gold--did Osama steal it? You have those jackpot insurance claims on a pair of architecturel white elephants, leased only months before (giving us enough time to wire them). You have fake pilots that couldn't fly, doing maneuvers in Boeing jumbo jets that were electronically programmed not to allow pilots to fly that way. You have FBI and CIA head honchos looking the other way. I could go on and on. But isn't that what your real CSI people should be doing--but aren't? Isn't that what your real detectives should be doing--but aren't?

If a farmer finds his henhouse raided by a fox, he tracks the fox through the snow and discovers the burrow and sees the feathers and the blood. Well, you've seen the feathers and the blood all over the people who planned 9-11 but still you can't seem to put the pieces of this great crime together. Why is that?
Longtime Rense writer, Douglas Herman wrote the suspense novel, The Guns of Dallas, that features a confessed hitman revealing the perfect scenario for the murder of JFK. The above scenario is fiction but probably far closer to the truth than anything yet offered in the so-called fact based media.
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#1. To: robin (#0) (Edited)

Demolitions don't work that way.

In fact demolitions won't bring down a building in and of themselves.

That is why they spend more time gutting the inside of buildings and weakening the superstructure because the explosions would not do a thing in terms of getting the building to implode and fall down in a precise manner.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   0:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Destro (#1)

In fact demolitions won't bring down a building in and of themselves.

So what are you saying took down the buildings?

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-10-16   1:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Critter (#2)

http://www.implosionworld.com/wtc.h tm

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   1:57:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Destro (#3)

So without explosives, cutting a few columns with planes, and then weakening a few with fire could take out an entire tower, but explosives alone could not have done it?

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-10-16   2:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#0)

One of the arguments you hear routinely out of the mouths of the official line spewers is that such an operation couldn't be kept secret because of the enormous numbers of people who would need to be involved. Someone would talk- Larry King would interiew the guy.

Bull. Yes- several hundred people would be needed to wire the towers, remove the gold- etc, etc. But what would such people really know? Not damn much. Your average bomb laying technician at the WTC would know absolutely nothing about the people who hired him. We have an "intelligence community" that has had 50 years to develop and mature. There are literally thousands upon thousands of contractors, soldiers of fortune, hitmen, free lancers- all in rolodex files that organizations like the CIA, Mossad, MI6, FSB, South African intelligence etc etc have used for thousands of jobs back and forth. There are men who exist in the shadows who have no ideological motivation and no national allegiance (patriotism is for suckers among these types) and who work for money.

They are hired by brokers, hired through old contacts in the various official services they at one time worked for- hired through third and fourth parties so that they have no idea who is really hiring them. Money is transfered by wire accounts- again through three or four middlemen. What do they know? Nothing. The teams would be kept in cells- assigned a leader- they wouldn't even know the names of their other team members for the most part or their cell leader. They would use code names.

To them- it would be just another black bag job- on a large scale to be sure- but one of many they had particpated in. These people have no scruples. They don't believe in "innocence". They know the dark underbelly of government and what it is capable of doing.

But wouldn't one of them do something stupid and take his payments for helping pull off 9/11 and go to Vegas and blow it in a few days and find himself in need of some money- want to write a book- and make a few million? Yes- and that is exactly the sort of person you would have if anyone came forward- a totally impeachable reprobate who gambles, drinks, and otherwise leads a scummy life- in other words totally unbelievable.

Wouldn't Larry King and the MSM pay attention to such a person? Please. When people say that 9/11 couldn't have been a conspiracy because the media would report I have to laugh. Do they mean the same MSM that ran with the government lies on Iraq? That ran stories on WMD and nuke programs from anonymous leakers in the government who then cited their own leaks in the papers on the News Shows as proof that they were true while our media didn't think it important that leakers were using their own leaks to spread misinfo? The press contradicted their own archives form just the mid 90's on WMD in spreading these stories. BLOGGERS were pointing this crap out in 2002!

Bloggers picked apart Powell's UN speech and exposed it for the sham it was then! Not our MSM!

There is an interview with a 9/11 Scholar on Tucker Carlson's show about his "theories". Carlson starts the interview off by saying the man is immoral and reprehensible for even suggesting these things. And that is the attitude of the MSM toward this story- facts be dammed. Even looking into it is "immoral".

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-10-16   6:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#0)

The author should have written how he lives next to Elvis. It would have made the article more believable.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-10-16   6:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Destro (#1)

It is easier, quicker, safer, less expensive, cleaner and a must for insurance purposes to "prep" a building for demo.

It has nothing to do with the inability of explosives to bring down a structure.

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-16   6:55:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Critter (#4)

Destro with YT think evil Muslims flying planes and crashing them and fire brought down the towers. Nevermind about WTC 7. It got tired, an just fell down.

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-16   6:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: YertleTurtle (#6)

The author should have written how he lives next to Elvis. It would have made the article more believable.

Oh, I loved it. So simple and easy to understand. And wasn't it nice of him to email and let us know what happened.

angle  posted on  2006-10-16   9:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Burkeman1, Kamala, robin (#5) (Edited)

I buy the above guy's confession about as much as I buy those testimonies saying the WMD were taken to Syria.

The whole 'buildings brought down by planted explosives' is based on the premise that the USA would not wake up the day after traumatized if only planes crashed into the towers. In other words (to use a Bushisim), the American people are sooooo stupid and dim that the sight of planes slamming into buildings is not horrific enough they need to have these buildings fall down on them for the powers that be to do anything. Trust me, I was across from the WTC and we saw the planes slam into the buildings from our office windows. People were freaking out - the trauma that leads to blind obedience was already there. Americans are stupid but not that stupid that they needed the additional buildings to fall to get them to understand something scary just happened.

I don't know if you all are aware of my posting history. I questioned the 9/11 events from day one. The real conspiracy is the fact that these 9/11 Muslims had ties with our intel orgs. Now did our pet Muslims - used by the USA via proxies to fight the Russians and Serbs and Chinese and Indians - go rogue and double cross us? Or were they doing what elements within our power structure wanted? Maybe a little of both? That is the question - not how the buildings fell down - which is self evident.

Unlike most Americans I had a few years in the so called "anti-American" trenches digging up the lies the USA told about the situation in Kosovo and Bosnia and the murky American and British alliances with jihadists. (which kept leading to my bannings on freetraderrepublic).

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   9:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Kamala, Critter (#8)

Nevermind about WTC 7. It got tired, an just fell down.

Giuliani that retard decided he wanted his command center in a high-rise building instead of the traditional underground model and then loaded that building with duel tanks filled with thousands of gallons of diesel fuel for the emergency generators.

WTC7 already had a chuck of it taken out when the other buildings fell and then the fire weakened the rest of it. A slow cook of thousands of gallons of diesel oil inside the WTC7.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   9:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Destro (#1)

Demolitions don't work that way.

In fact demolitions won't bring down a building in and of themselves.

That is why they spend more time gutting the inside of buildings and weakening the superstructure because the explosions would not do a thing in terms of getting the building to implode and fall down in a precise manner.

Which is exactly what the man who wrote this saying, that it took years to plan this and months to prepare the building.

BTW, have you watched any of the excellent 9/11 videos that have been made this year?

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-16   9:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: YertleTurtle (#6)

Aren't you going to post the author's I.Q. score?

And if you're so smart how do you explain the free fall speed at which these buildings fell?

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-16   9:40:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#12)

Which is exactly what the man who wrote this saying, that it took years to plan this and months to prepare the building.

Sorry - this theory fails Occam's Razor theorem.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   9:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Destro (#14)

Have you seen any of the excellent 9/11 videos made recently?

They explain with high school physics how the buildings fell at the rate of free fall and that this only happens in a demolition.

They also show the squibs (the explosives going off under each falling floor) that precede that fall.

They also interviewed some of the surviving tenants of the building who describe some of the odd goings on before 9/11.

They also replay the sound of some powerful explosions that precede the fall of each tower.

They also play the video of Larry Silverstein, who coincidently owned all 3 buildings that fell that day, saying on the video "so I told them to 'pull it'". He used a term used in demolitions regarding WTC7.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-16   10:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: angle (#9)

What surprises me most, however, is how very few intelligent people in America question the obvious signature of the crime, even after five years.

He waited 5 years to write it, and from a safe distance.

Do you too believe that the buildings pancaked on top of each other; yet managed to fall at the rate of free fall?

So since the floors were around the steel center core, why isn't the core still standing?

The pancake theory doesn't hold water regarding the center core and no one who tries to hold that theory can ever explain the center core not still standing. But demolition explains everything.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-16   10:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Destro (#10) (Edited)

But planes alone could not take down those towers. And NOTHING flew into WTC7.

Are you familiar with Dov Zakheim's contribution to a report by PNAC, explaining that a "new Pearl Harbor" is necessary?

I know you must already know about the Reichstag fire and the faked invasion of Germany by Poland.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-16   10:11:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: robin (#15)

They also play the video of Larry Silverstein, who coincidently owned all 3 buildings that fell that day, saying on the video "so I told them to 'pull it'". He used a term used in demolitions regarding WTC7.

Wow - he let the bag out on a PBS interview - LOL - it was not a slip heard on some CB. People don't tell you that - they make it sound like his calls were intercepted.

It was in reference to pulling out of WTC 7 and not trying to save it.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   10:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: robin (#17)

But planes alone could not take down those towers. And NOTHING flew into WTC7.

Wrong - chunks of the collapsed towers flew into WTC7.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   10:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Destro (#19)

And you think that was enough to make a building fall at the rate of free fall?

There were a few small fires. And Silverstein said "pull it", he is on video saying those words.

Yet other buildings nearby had more chunks fall on them than WTC7 and they did not fall.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-16   10:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Destro (#18)

Not true, have you seen the video interview where he says exactly "pull it"?

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-16   10:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: robin (#16) (Edited)

Of course I don't believe the official lie.

I just don't happen to believe that this fellow was involved. Story's too schmaltzy.

Neither do I buy anything Destro's been writing on this thread.

angle  posted on  2006-10-16   10:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Destro (#18)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html

Lucky Larry

http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=15459

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/jews/wtc-silverstein.htm

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-16   10:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: angle (#22)

Of course I don't believe the official lie.

I just don't happen to believe that this fellow was involved. Story's too schmaltzy.

I make no claims about the author's authenticity. The article does raise questions and suggest answers as to how it was done.

The interviews with some of the surviving tenants of WTC spoke of some very odd work being done prior to 9/11.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-16   10:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: angle (#22)

I just don't happen to believe that this fellow was involved. Story's too schmaltzy.

The above scenario is fiction but probably far closer to the truth than anything yet offered in the so-called fact based media.

It Is A Republic  posted on  2006-10-16   10:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: robin (#24)

His story fits too carefully into the framework set up by the truthers...he sounds like a plant that has a lot of potential to be discredited.

Ya gotta ask yourself...why would a guy come forward and admit to treason and give a heads- up on his whereabouts to the cabal? Doesn't pass the smell test.

You know, I know and one third of America knows the BushCheneyInc et al and their globalist backers pulled off this most outrageous of coups. The question is no longer did they or how did they, but what to do about it now.

angle  posted on  2006-10-16   10:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: robin (#21)

have you seen the video interview where he says exactly "pull it"?

Yes. Have you?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   10:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: It Is A Republic (#25)

The above scenario is fiction but probably far closer to the truth than anything yet offered in the so-called fact based media.

I'll agree with that.

angle  posted on  2006-10-16   10:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: angle (#28)

I'll agree with that.

That was the last line in the story. It really is a fictional application.....

It Is A Republic  posted on  2006-10-16   10:54:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Burkeman1 (#5)

your analysis is very sound.

americans do some things very very well historically, actually many things. military endeavors and intelligence operations are things that we have historically done very well. of course our people could pull off the 911 events. and of course our media will fail to uncover it, it is their job to fail to uncover it. do you think our intelligence services are incompetent? they would be so if our MSM would uncover it and publicize it.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-10-16   10:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: It Is A Republic, Burkeman1, Kamala, robin, angle, YertleTurtle (#29)

If any of the above scenario is true - and I don't think it is - then taking into account that America produces such people and that the American people do nothing to remove such people from power - the only logical conclusion from this - again only if the above is true and I don't think it is - then the American people need to be put an end to. Such evil people need have their seed scattered and their earth salted.

That you all talk about the USA doing this and then not leading an armed rebellion to stop such monsters - who plant demolitions within their own buildings to kill their own citizens for profit - means either you all live in a fantasy world where you like to spook yourselves with campfire ghost stories of govt conspiracies or you are cowards.

I will tell you this - if I thought my nation's leadership planted explosives in the WTC attacks on us - and I don't - but if I did - I would be organizing an armed resistance and killing anyone working for the govt and anyone wearing a uniform and any and all elected officials in the manner of the IRA or the Serbian Black Hand.

Because this is not idle and light speculation - it is deadly serious accusation against the govt that demands armed action.

So when are you all going to head into the mountains and form the resistance?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   11:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Red Jones (#30)

If they (whoever they are) could have pulled this 9-11 thing off, the Iraqi war would have been better planned and resulting problems dealt with more intelligently, Afghanistan would be applying for statehood, The DPRK would have been dealt with differently and solved long ago, Iran would have already been overthrown from within, (probably the easiest task) and South and Central America would not be in the mess they are with Chavez acting like a kitten or being a really dead former leader of Venezeula. The MSM would love to expose a 9-11 coverup, but it is just too far out there.

It Is A Republic  posted on  2006-10-16   11:21:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: It Is A Republic (#32)

Amen.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   11:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: It Is A Republic (#32)

Doesn't your argument apply just as much in reverse? If Al Qaeda was really the bunch that pulled off 9/11, wouldn't they have been able to prevent the defeat of the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Of course, that's not much of an argument. The two situations are so different. But the same can be said of 9/11 and America's war in Iraq.

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-10-16   11:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: aristeides, It Is A Republic (#34)

If Al Qaeda was really the bunch that pulled off 9/11, wouldn't they have been able to prevent the defeat of the Taliban in Afghanistan?

Bad application of logic.

You forget two things.

1) al-Qaeda is an insurgency based organization.

2) The 9/11 cell was able to operate in the USA because they were American intelligence assets - one of many such jihadi groups allowed to enter into the USA to train and raise money and organize to carry out jihad against mutual enemies of al-Qaeda and America like Serbia and Russia.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   11:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: robin (#13)

And if you're so smart how do you explain the free fall speed at which these buildings fell?

I'm been involved in construction since the day I was born, and have seen many buildings fall. There was nothing out of the ordinary at the speed they fell. They also -- all of them -- fall into their own "footprint."

This is why you never see articles by those involved in demolition support these goofy theories.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-10-16   11:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: aristeides (#34)

I do not think the 9-11 hijacker jokers and those who planned it ever expected the catastropic results they got. If they (again, whoever they are) did plan the implosion and destruction of the WTC, it was the results they attempted to attain. Being able to plan and pull off that mission would imply more ability than most give this group in power and more than they have shown in ALL their other endeavors.

It Is A Republic  posted on  2006-10-16   11:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: It Is A Republic (#32)

well, I appreciate your argument in #32. that is a rational argument.

I don't agree with your assessment of the MSM. the MSM is a dishonest propaganda tool IMHO. also, the simple facts of 911 don't jibe with official explanations.

But I put it to you that if our only goal was to topple saddam and free Iraq, that it would've been achieved easily. Saddam and his regime were removed very quickly & easily. the thing to do then would be for the US forces to leave the scene and let other isntitutions take over, mostly iraqi institutions and international efforts too, they could've easily transitioned to a democracy. Remember, Iraq had a democracy from 1933 to mid 1950's.

the US goal in Iraq is not for Iraq to be free though. the goal is for Iraq to be dominated strongly. this is why we're having so much trouble - it is difficult nation to subjugate, especially with only 150,000 troops on the ground.

Don't under-estimate also, that war seems to be the big goal, instigating a wider war seems likely to be part of the real goal. the people who set US policy are not incompetent, they are doing precisely and exactly what they desire.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-10-16   11:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: YertleTurtle, robin (#36)

I'm been involved in construction since the day I was born, and have seen many buildings fall. There was nothing out of the ordinary at the speed they fell. They also -- all of them -- fall into their own "footprint."

This is why you never see articles by those involved in demolition support these goofy theories.

That is a good point - no one of those pushing the demolition theory has a background in construction or the demolition business.

And what you said is also true - all high-rise buildings are designed to fall in on themselves in cases of structural failure to prevent the timber effect.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-16   11:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: YertleTurtle (#36)

I'm been involved in construction since the day I was born, and have seen many buildings fall. There was nothing out of the ordinary at the speed they fell.

Yup, those 1000+ foot tall towers are falling all the time. Yup, by the hundreds. Nothing out of the ordinary here.

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-10-16   11:53:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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