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Title: Confessions Of A 911 Hitman
Source: www.rense.com
URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general73/confess.htm
Published: Oct 15, 2006
Author: Douglas Herman
Post Date: 2006-10-15 23:45:22 by robin
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Confessions Of A 911 Hitman
How & Why I Helped Blow Up The World Trade Center
By Douglas Herman
Exclusive to Rense.com
10-13-6

I'm retired now. But five years ago I helped blow up the WTC complex. I was paid a half million dollars, tax free, for my time and trouble. I don't know what the rest of my crew was paid--maybe a little more, maybe a little less. Not that I care much. In operations like this one, where dozens and dozens of top technicians operated like a team, nobody knew the entire operation or who was who, or what everybody got paid---the big picture, as people call it. Better that way. Better that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
Living on the beach here in Cartagena, Columbia I've had lots of time to reflect. Lots more time to wonder. What surprises me most, however, is how very few intelligent people in America question the obvious signature of the crime, even after five years.

How did we do it and why did we do it? The absolute audacity and cleverness still surprises me. The planners knew that success was the only option and so they spent years, not months, designing the perfect plan. What you call murder, I call the perfect crime. What you call an act of terror, I call the perfect diversion.
The intelligent people who run your country know that America depends on a continuous supply of oil. They also know that Americans use far more oil than they can produce here in America. They also know that if anyone in the Middle East were allowed to sell oil for euros--which Iraq attempted to do and Iran is threatening to do---and thus break the monopoly of US petrodollars, America might just go down the tubes. At least that is how it was explained to me, one of the reasons we were doing what we were doing, in the weeks and months during our furious preparations.
But if the US was attacked by terrorists, however, by rogue clients of ME states, then America could retaliate, occupy their countries, insert puppet leaders like the Shah of Iran, and continue siphoning oil forever. And hundreds of people would make billions, while thousands of multinational companies--not just Halliburton--would profit immensely.

And so America needed to be attacked.
But the attack needed to be spectacular. And the targets needed to be high image targets that represented America but was really stuff that could be rebuilt. Rebuilt at a profit. And so you saw the Pentagon targeted rather than the Congress building. Because Congress still needed someplace to meet and declare war against those nations that attacked America.
MY job was to wire explosives inside the various WTC buildings. We wired buildings 1, 2, 6, and 7. We hardwired some areas and attached explosives and electronic detonators to many other key structural joints. We did this weeks in advance. WTC-7 fell in a classic controlled demolition (See example) but the Twin Towers required a lot more ingenuity. The fellow who planned the actual sequence of detonations is a genius. He was rumored to have been paid seven or eight figures and is a fucking master. Almost like a composer of a symphony orchestra but better. Much better.

Entry into even the most secure areas of the WTC complex was easy. The badges and identifications were specially made. We had a guy at the top, an insider, who supplied the entry passes. We were the invisible people, those people who you see everyday but don't see. We were the janitors and maintenance men you take for granted but who have far more access in your own building than you'll ever have. Like I said, this whole operation was designed years in advance and took months to assemble the teams of top specialists. Then we worked weeks together to attack each key area of the plan. Like a builder using a blueprint.
Those people who say it couldn't be done, or only hijackers in airplanes could do it, really piss me off. Because we did it. For example, instead of building the Hoover Dam we took it down, piece by piece in a couple hours, and made each step look believable. Made it look like the dam just burst naturally.

The majority of ignorant people say, "fires brought the buildings down." We just smile and say, yes they did. Most people don't know that steel doesn't melt from fuel fires but melted steel was found weeks later in the substructure of the WTC. Nobody seems to want to know how that happened to perfectly good steel. Most people don't know thermite was used in World War II or that explosives and detonaters can be attached and then remotely detonated from blocks away in whatever sequence you choose. That was why when you watched the middle part of the towers explode--pancake down as the experts claimed---the upper parts of the twin towers were being simultaneously detonated as the lower parts were crumbling. If we hadn't done that you would have seen 30 to 40 story segment sitting on the rubble pile.
Like I said it was a work of genius.
Am I sorry that almost 3,000 people got killed? Sure. Are you sorry that you, personally, use so much foreign oil?

And are you sorry that all these faked resource wars have to be concocted so that you can get that oil and live comfortably? Didn't think so.

Investigators on those TV crime shows, the CSI people, always try to understand who benefits by the bloody crime. If you understand that many people benefitted by 9-11, by the WTC destruction, then you are more than halfway to solving the crime. Not just who dunnit, but how dunnit and why dunnit.
The benefits of the plan were manifold. Everyone involved profited. The political zealots at the Pentagon got there holy war, or wars, that would benefit Israel while weakening the entire ME. The corporate--connected people got billions in new contracts. The military people got new toys.

Meanwhile the more pragmatic planners assembled a team to start removing gold and silver from below building 4 as soon as the remote-controlled planes struck the towers. We had teams taking bullion from the vaults immediately before and after the towers fell. Miles of tunnels connected the complex. Teams had seven hours to remove as much bullion as they could. The falling towers, the smoke, the fires, the sirens, that was all a grand diversion going on in the streets above. Like I said the plan was designed to appear to be an Islamic terrorist attack yet functioned perfectly as an enormous, gigantic bank robbery. The biggest heist in history.
Was I underpaid? Probably. But I was just one cog in this smooth functioning yet risky machine. Some internet blogger speculated that only 50-51 men could pull off this perfect crime, but I think it had to be several hundred experts involved.
Who were we? Americans, Israelis, South Africans, Brits, Irish. All top specialists. The best of the best. Like that popular TV show, the Mission Impossible force, that was us. Quite a few former special forces, several top intelligence men, financial wizards, some foreign mercenaries, Israeli demo specialists, electronic specialists, security specialists. You name it.
How to keep everyone quiet, you ask? You heard the old saying, two can keep a secret if one of them is dead? Well a thousand can keep a secret if everyone is happy and everyone is very well paid. You also heard that old saying, honor among thieves? Well why would anyone want to rat on someone else? And even if one person got shitfaced drunk and bragged about bringing down the trade towers, who would believe him. After all, we all saw the hijacked jets crashed into the Trade Towers, right? And then we all saw that fuel fires weakened the steel and brought down those same towers, right?

No one will ever catch us. Who would investigate? Hugo Chavez? We commited the perfect crime and got away with it.
But like I said at the beginning, the crime was obviously a crime to anyone who even glanced at the pictures on the TV. It was so fucking obvious it still makes me laugh. What happened was a classic diversion. The towers fell; two or three ME countries were blamed. A suitable villain was fingered.
But you have hundreds of millions in stolen gold--did Osama steal it? You have those jackpot insurance claims on a pair of architecturel white elephants, leased only months before (giving us enough time to wire them). You have fake pilots that couldn't fly, doing maneuvers in Boeing jumbo jets that were electronically programmed not to allow pilots to fly that way. You have FBI and CIA head honchos looking the other way. I could go on and on. But isn't that what your real CSI people should be doing--but aren't? Isn't that what your real detectives should be doing--but aren't?

If a farmer finds his henhouse raided by a fox, he tracks the fox through the snow and discovers the burrow and sees the feathers and the blood. Well, you've seen the feathers and the blood all over the people who planned 9-11 but still you can't seem to put the pieces of this great crime together. Why is that?
Longtime Rense writer, Douglas Herman wrote the suspense novel, The Guns of Dallas, that features a confessed hitman revealing the perfect scenario for the murder of JFK. The above scenario is fiction but probably far closer to the truth than anything yet offered in the so-called fact based media.
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#270. To: angle (#269)

In the same places where Judith Miller wrote her exposes. As part of the push to convince the people that Iraq was behind 911.

Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.

swarthyguy  posted on  2006-10-18   15:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: angle (#268)

do you accept a huge gash existed in the WTC 7 before it collapsed?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-18   15:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: Destro, BTPHoldings, christine, arator, kamala, noone22 (#271)

Jeez, for someone who purports to want to discuss exactly who the perpetrators of 911 are at the exclusion of all else, you sure spend a lots of bandwidth refuting the WTC7 demolition.

angle  posted on  2006-10-19   9:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: Destro (#271)

Did WTC7 tip or lean to the side with the gash?

No, it fell exactly like a demolition, complete with squibs, falling into its own footprint. A classic demolition.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-19   9:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: robin (#273)

Did WTC7 tip or lean to the side with the gash?

It fell towards the gash - see the photo that shows the WTC 7 north face covering the debris pile - not possible if it fell straight down.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   10:00:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: angle, BTPHoldings, christine, arator, kamala, noone22, robin (#272)

Jeez, for someone who purports to want to discuss exactly who the perpetrators of 911 are

The Yugoslav Caldron “The CIA recruited and trained the jihadists”

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   10:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: Destro (#274)

your photo shows that it fell straight down. it was a 47 story building.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-10-19   10:08:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: Red Jones (#276)

your photo shows that it fell straight down. it was a 47 story building.

If you are delusional it does.

I guess the facade just floated down ontop of the debris pile then.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   10:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: angle (#272)

This poster is a mole.

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-19   10:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: Destro (#274)

There are many excellent videos with newsreel footage of the entire collapse that show how it fell at the rate of free fall (only possible in a demolition).

You show a fuzzy, unclear picture and call that evidence? NO! That's NOTHING next to all the evidence.

The squibs, the sounds of explosions before the fall, the way it fell, the speed of the fall, the testimony of firefighters, Larry Silverstein himself saying "to pull it".

9-11 video THE INEXPLICABLE COLLAPSE OF WTC7

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5848378758602000405&q=WTC7&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5878047211466071205&q=WTC7&hl=en

Rick Siegel's camera footage on 9/11 from Hoboken and Frank Sinatra Piers

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-19   10:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: robin, yertleturtle (#279)

There are many excellent videos with newsreel footage of the entire collapse that show how it fell at the rate of free fall (only possible in a demolition).

And at what speed should it have fallen?

Or do you guys think it should have fallen in dramatic slow motion like in a Hollywood movie?

Also, your logic on the WTC7 conspiracy is faulty.

You guys claim it was brought down for the insurance money.

It collapsed like 9-12 or so hours later after the attacks so it could not have been done to shock people - but for the insurance money.

There were massive gashes and fires that damaged the building to such an extent that there is no question the building was at a loss - and the insurance money was already in the bank - so no need to bring it down.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   10:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: Kamala (#278)

This poster is a mole.

Your mother.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   10:29:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: Destro (#280)

THE ONLY WAY A BUILDING FALLS AT THE RATE OF "FREE FALL" IS IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

The Laws of physics cannot be denied (except by people like you).

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-19   10:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: robin, yertleturtle (#282) (Edited)

THE ONLY WAY A BUILDING FALLS AT THE RATE OF "FREE FALL" IS IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

The Laws of physics cannot be denied (except by people like you).

All things fall in a state of free fall.

"Free fall in its strictest sense is the condition of acceleration which is due only to gravity. In other words, the objects undergoing free fall experience only one force: their own weight."

See, I passed my physics class.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   10:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: Destro (#283)

When nothing is underneath to block a fall that's exactly how they fall.

That is what the explosives are for in a demolition, to knock out the floors beneath the fall at just the right time.

47 story steel-framed buildings do not fall at the rate of free fall w/o carefully implemented explosives.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-19   10:53:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: robin, Mole Alert!! (#279)

MOLE ALERT!!!

Do yourself a favor and move on. This poster is a mole.

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C., that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink."— Christie Todd Whitman - 9/18/2001

Kamala  posted on  2006-10-19   10:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: robin (#284)

But they do if you have a multi story gash in the building taking out support columns and a 16K gallon diesel tanks ignited inside.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   10:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: Destro (#286)

Do yourself a favor, watch the videos. The building falls straight down at the rate of free fall.

A gash, a few fires and some fuel won't do that. Get a grip.

I remember you posting that you want America destroyed. So does the ZOG (Zionist Occupational Govt). Although you claim to be angry over Kosovo, your goals seem to coincide.

Is that why you refute the Laws of Physics and the insurmountable evidence so hotly? Have you joined forces with the ZOG, to further the destruction of the nation and people you hate so much?

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-19   11:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: robin, swarthyguy (#287) (Edited)

I remember you posting that you want America destroyed. So does the ZOG (Zionist Occupational Govt). Although you claim to be angry over Kosovo, your goals seem to coincide.

No, Nimrod.

I stated that if I accepted the premise that the USA's leadership - using what has to be highly trained American cadres for such demolition and coordination work to be done on 9/11 - then such an evil nation (WITH THOUSANDS OF NUKES) can not be allowed to continue to exist. How can you trust such an evil nation with nuclear weapons like we have?

In Hungry the people are rioting in the streets because the PM lied about the economy.

You guys propose an even greater evil - that our leaders did what only Satanic people could carry out without pause.

If I accepted that the USA's govt did this to its own people in the manner you suggest I would go on a warpath. That is the logical conclusion.

If you guys are for real and think the USA's leadership did this thing when will you rise up? If you don't rise up - what kind of cowardly immoral people are you if you don't take these evil people out?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   11:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: Destro (#288)

If I accepted that the USA's govt did this to its own people in the manner you suggest I would go on a warpath. That is the logical conclusion.

We are on a warpath.

And yes that is the logical conclusion. Logic applied to 9/11 is what is needed. Most of us arrived at this realization a bit late.

But, if Abu Ghraib, torture, Diebold, the loss of liberties (including one cherished since 1215), the torture renditions, and the willful destruction of Iraq (not to mention Lebanon this past summer) do not convince you how evil this regime is, then nothing will.

Of course they are capable of 9/11! And Dov Zakheim and PNAC wrote about it years before as "the new Pearl Harbor" event required to galvanize support for their NeoShevik wars.

BTW, are you following the Bush/Paraguay info? I guess a visit to The Hague has lost its thrill.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-19   11:21:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: robin (#289)

BTW, are you following the Bush/Paraguay info? I guess a visit to The Hague has lost its thrill.

Bush would find no refuge in Paraguay - I don't think Bush or any one is fleeing anywhere i what I am saying. That is again - more internet rumors feeding on themselves.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   11:30:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: angle, BTPHoldings, christine, arator, kamala, noone22, robin, swarthyguy (#275)

It has been claimed that strategically-planted explosives were used to bring the towers down (e.g, http://www.erichufschmid.net/WTC_PhysicsProblem.html). Any covert operation, however, should use the minimum of "tricks", in order to minimise the chances of discovery. The use of explosive demolition on top of kamikaze airliners (whether remotely-controlled or piloted by "hoodwinked" hijackers) would leave a dangerously-large trail of clues. A "professional" covert operation (e.g. from within the CIA) would presumably consider this an unacceptably-large risk.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   13:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: Destro (#291)

What would you call the Reichstag Fire?

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-19   13:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: robin (#292)

the Reichstag Fire

Depending on the viewpoint, a success. /kidding

Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.

swarthyguy  posted on  2006-10-19   13:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: robin (#292) (Edited)

What would you call the Reichstag Fire?

...the Reichstag fire was a stroke of good luck for the Nazis.

A t his trial, Van der Lubbe was found guilty and sentenced to death. He was beheaded on January 10, 1934, three days before his 25th birthday. The Nazis alleged that Van der Lubbe was part of the Communist conspiracy to burn down the Reichstag and seize power, while the Communists alleged that Van der Lubbe was part of the Nazi conspiracy to blame the crime on them. Van der Lubbe for his part maintained that he had acted alone, to protest the condition of the German working-class.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   13:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: Destro (#294) (Edited)

Another theory appears in the book Himmler's Secret War by Martin Allen (published in Great Britain by Robson Books in the year 2005). According to this book, the Reichstag fire was started by a band of Sicherheitsdienst (SD, the SS security service) agents who secretly entered the Reichstag through an underground tunnel that was connected to Göring's official residence. [edit]

Göring's possible role

William L. Shirer's The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich (Touchstone Edition, 1990, p. 192-) details how at Nuremberg, General Franz Halder stated in an affidavit that Hermann Göring had joked about setting the fire:

On the occasion of a lunch on the Führer's birthday in 1942, the people around the Führer turned the conversation to the Reichstag building and its artistic value. I heard with my own ears how Göring broke into the conversation and shouted: 'The only one who really knows about the Reichstag building is I, for I set fire to it.' And saying this he slapped his thigh. [1] [2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree

The decree nullified many of the key civil liberties of German citizens. With Nazis in key positions of the German government, the decree was used as the legal basis of imprisonment of anyone considered to be opponents of the Nazis, and was used to suppress publications not considered "friendly" to the Nazi cause. The decree is considered by historians to be one of the key steps in the establishment of a one-party Nazi state in Germany.

The UNpatriot ACT.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_reichstag.html

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-19   13:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: swarthyguy (#293)

Robin: What would you call the Reichstag Fire?

Swarthyguy: Depending on the viewpoint, a success. /kidding

911 is not a success. Regardless of the viewpoint. BushCheneyInc and global backers and the corrupt in congress and the other appointees/traitors are executing their plans under pressure from an awakening public.

The final outcome is yet to be determined.

angle  posted on  2006-10-19   15:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: robin (#292) (Edited)

RE: destro

MOLE ALERT!!! Do yourself a favor and move on. This poster is a mole.

Thanks kamala.

(And this mole ain't alone.)

angle  posted on  2006-10-19   15:05:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: angle, robin, kamala, swarthyguy (#297)

You are intellectual and moral cowards - who throw out the mole word like Freepers yell out troll.

Is this a sign of your intellectual bankruptcy?

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2006-10-19   15:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: robin (#282)

THE ONLY WAY A BUILDING FALLS AT THE RATE OF "FREE FALL" IS IN A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

The Laws of physics cannot be denied

I have, in person, watched buildings collapsed. They come down in seconds. I saw a 20-story building come down in four seconds.

What you are writing is nonsense.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-10-19   19:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: YertleTurtle (#299)

A 100+ story or 47 story steel-framed building with floors that supposedly "pancaked" on each other but did not even pause half a second at each floor, but fell at the rate of free fall?

And, fell within its own footprint?

I don't think so.

Oh, and the steel center core w/o any flooring, also fell along with the whole building.

The squibs (planted explosives detonating just under the falling building at precise intervals) are visible in many of the newsreel videos.

Furthermore, there were loud explosions recorded & heard before the fall of the 2 towers.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-19   19:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: Destro (#298)

Not only a mole but prolly a Jewish mole!

Get with the program, dudestein!

Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.

swarthyguy  posted on  2006-10-20   13:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: YertleTurtle, Robin (#299) (Edited)

Robin: The Laws of physics cannot be denied

YertleTurtle: What you are writing is nonsense.

Nonsense? The laws of physics are not nonsense. Buildings cannot come down at near freefall speeds if they are at the same time colliding with floors below. This is basic science you are calling nonsense. Does a car that is moving at 60 MPH that hits another car that is not moving continue to move at 60 MPH after the collision? For a person that claims to have a high IQ you should know better than this.

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RickyJ  posted on  2006-10-20   13:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: Destro (#283)

All things fall in a state of free fall.

Only in a vacuum.

See, I passed my physics class.

Sure you did.

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RickyJ  posted on  2006-10-20   14:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: RickyJ, YertleTurtle, Robin (#302)

Buildings cannot come down at near freefall speeds if they are at the same time colliding with floors below.

Parts of buildings not encountering resistance would come down at free fall speeds - all things fall in 'free fall' if not acted upon.

But you stated yourself they fell at near free fall - hence - something restricted the ability to fall at free fall. The best evidence is thus the floors it collided with.

Maybe you guys have not been around construction of this scale - the mass and weight are enormous. They do create a pulverizing effect on massive steel and concrete structures.

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Destro  posted on  2006-10-20   14:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: RickyJ (#303)

When you state falling at free fall speeds - all things would fall at that speed.

What speed should it fall under?

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Destro  posted on  2006-10-20   14:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: Destro (#304)

But you stated yourself they fell at near free fall - hence - something restricted the ability to fall at free fall. The best evidence is thus the floors it collided with.

No, the very slight difference does not come close to what would have happened in a supposed "pancake" fall.

Watch the videos. They explain all of this very well..

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robin  posted on  2006-10-20   17:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#307. To: Destro (#304)

Maybe you guys have not been around construction of this scale - the mass and weight are enormous. They do create a pulverizing effect on massive steel and concrete structures

I have. That's why I know this explosives-in-the-towers is nonsense. My father owned a construction company, and I was raised in the business.

The "Truthers" don't under that when buildings are demolished, they are first gutted. Explosives themselves wouldn't bring down a building, not unless you maybe used nukes or put so many explosives in the building you'll kill everyone for a few blocks around.

Pancaking is a well-known phenomena, as are buildings falling in their own "footprint." Nothing out of the ordinary about either.

And, imploded buildings always fall from the bottom up. The WTC fell from the top down, specifically where the planes hit.

I see no evidence at all that nothing was involved except the biggest flying bombs in the world -- 20 tons of flying metal, loaded with over 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, hitting two poorly-designed buildings at over 300 mph.

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YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-10-20   19:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: Destro (#304) (Edited)

Parts of buildings not encountering resistance would come down at free fall speeds - all things fall in 'free fall' if not acted upon.

I already corrected you once, but I guess you didn't understand. Nothing falls at a free fall rate unless in a vacuum. The towers were in no vacuum.

The towers fell within anywhere from 8 to 20 percent slower than free fall time depending on which tower you are talking about and which official collapse time you believe. This is way too fast considering the official pancake theory.

The fact that the antenna on top of the North tower can clearly be seen as falling straight down first means that the core it was standing on was compromised even before the floors started to fall. The core of this building obviously failed first which proves a controlled demolition was occurring given the circumstances of that day. The pancake theory cannot account for a core failing at all, much less even before the alleged pancaking even occurred. Also the pancake theory cannot account for the floors being pulverized to dust when they supposedly had only begun to fall, which of course would have meant a speed under 20 MPH. Collisions at such speeds will produce less fine particles than what was observed being ejected from the towers shortly after they began to collapse, or stated more correctly, explode.

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RickyJ  posted on  2006-10-20   20:09:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: RickyJ, YertleTurtle (#308) (Edited)

The towers fell within anywhere from 8 to 20 percent slower than free fall time depending on which tower you are talking about and which official collapse time you believe.

That might as well be slow motion compared to 'free fall' speed. Oops.

But that's OK keep looking for explosives inside the Towers.

Make any true investigation into the events of 9/11 look like the ravings of kooks and thus preventing the underlying truth from emerging.

I guess this is the CSI effect when people who watch these shows think they have become experts in forensics or something.

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Destro  posted on  2006-10-20   20:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#310. To: YertleTurtle (#307)

Explosives themselves wouldn't bring down a building

You have repeated this more than once and you are still wrong. Explosives placed at the proper positions throughout a structure and detonated in a predetermined sequence bring down such structures routinely.

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"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-10-20   20:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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