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Title: Goldi on Women's Suffrage
Source: ElPee
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... rt.cgi?ArtNum=162468&Disp=5#C4
Published: Oct 16, 2006
Author: Goldi-Lox
Post Date: 2006-10-16 21:50:48 by Nostalgia
Keywords: None
Views: 1445
Comments: 142

4. To: High Hopes (#0)

Women led the opposition, with seven in 10 saying they oppose the war. Twenty-eight percent say they support it, which is the lowest support among women in any CNN poll taken since the invasion more than three years ago.

Women voting is a mistake.

Women are emotional, changeable, and notoriously unstable because of hormone flux.

They usually want to talk talk talk talk a situation over, under, around, and to death. LONG after the time for action.

And action, even when the right thing to do, is the LAST thing they want, and will try to stop it after it starts.

I'm a woman, and I know this is true.

I'd give up my vote in a minute if they took it away from all other women as well. We just don't have what it takes to be "rulers" and "deciders". Those roles require cooler heads and harder hearts.

Goldi-Lox posted on 2006-10-16 17:54:48 ET Reply Trace

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Oy Vey

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Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 138.

#17. To: Nostalgia (#0)

I'm a woman, and I know this is true.

She needs to get laid more than once in the last 10 years.

angle  posted on  2006-10-16   22:30:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

She needs to get laid more than once in the last 10 years.

we should all kick in and buy buckeroo a plane ticket to maryland.

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-10-16   22:37:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

US troops 'winning friends in Iraq'

Why does Buck post these there at LP? Then he makes a show that he hates the piece and that he is, "...not a liberal nor a democrat as you claim. Nor am I a "compassionate conservative" or a Republican as yourself" to a bot's bot there.

There are just some things I can't understand about the lad.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-16   23:47:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why does Buck post these there at LP?

Because I feel like posting that ludicrous crap. I love the torturous methods of enigmas snapping jellyfish's backs ... like yours.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-17   0:46:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, it is more the tactic of those conflicted. You are like the guy who says no while shaking your head yes.

As far as torturous goes, I have no problem with your loony thread posting there. And as far as insults go, yours' amuse me.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-17   0:54:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are like the guy who says no while shaking your head yes.

You are very confused. I have maintained my perspectives upon the various HOT political topics forever. You know that, too. Of course, you won't produce any links worthy of merit to actually contradict me, either. All you can do is say what you believe which is an outright lie.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-17   0:59:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"All you can do is say what you believe which is an outright lie.

Believe? I didn't say I believed anything. I noted an interesting manner in which you seem to court conflict.

You spoke so glowingly and compassionately about Goofy-Lox being a Mama protecting her creation, LP. Then you post an article she would agree with and post back patting denials that that is how you feel about the war.

So, are you empathetic with her and trying to contribute in ways she likes, or hacking at her? You seem to have some conflict and I merely inquire regarding this.

#9. To: Coral Snake (#5)

CS - "Goldi is just another JimRob."

Rubbish. Shes struggling. Shes seeing a change in the political climate; shes renewed her forum with a re-fresh of tech and sees new forum members pouncing in more than ever.

Shes a mother hen wanting none other than to protect the forum. Nothing wrong with that .... but, the strain is showing.

buckeroo posted on 2006-05-04 2:17:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-17   1:08:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I rarely perform the gang pings that you elude to. The article I posted was not intended for Goldie or anyone in particular. I simply stated my opinion by ripping it up which I have always performed. In effect, it was intended for EVERYONE including yourself whom is making a BIG_DEAL out of it.

Ever since I have been at LP ( since 2002-3 ) I have been against GW Bush's Iraqi invasion. EVERYONE knows it, to include EVERYONE on 4um but yourself.

Get a life, pal. You are losing yourself in delusion.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-17   1:15:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"I rarely perform the gang pings that you elude to."

How special of you.

"Ever since I have been at LP ( since 2002-3 ) I have been against GW Bush's Iraqi invasion. EVERYONE knows it, to include EVERYONE on 4um but yourself."

You are conflicted. When I showed you the contradiction inherent to your call to murder a man who acted in accordance with his conscious and refused to go back to take part in what he had come to realize is an illegal and immoral conflict you went ballistic and avoided any further discussion on the topic.

He acted in accordance with the Geneva Accords that superseded his oath of enlistment. And you reacted by going nutz.

So, what is it Buck? An illegal and immoral conflict people should display good moral judgment and refuse to take part in? Should the Geneva Convention that calls upon people who would say, "I was only following orders" to remember they have higher responsibilities, some of which call for them to disobey illegal orders be taken seriously? Or what?

No, you are conflicted, that is obvious. And you have a Madonna/Whore relationship with Goofy-Lox on top of it.

I only note what I see Buckeroo. I am more impressed by the contradictions I note then by your bluster about your beliefs.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-17   1:25:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

When I showed you the contradiction inherent to your call to murder a man who acted in accordance with his conscious and refused to go back to take part in what he had come to realize is an illegal and immoral conflict you went ballistic and avoided any further discussion on the topic.

The man contradicted his own oath. In the REAL world, we don't get to sit around and act like pansies protected by the tooth-fairy. We stand tall and confront our own basis of reality. We maintain our honor by ensuring that our own oath is actually worth something besides an at-ta-boy.

The decision to join the military is totally voluntary in the US. And its a serious matter. The later decision to abandon his oath was, as well. But, it jeopardized others within his own unit. It could have cost others their lives.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-17   1:37:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The man contradicted his own oath.

One cannot be honor bound to commit immoral acts. Few who took that oath ever anticipated the evil of these blood soaked neocons.

No oath can be invoked to obscure the fact that the killing of non combatants is murder. No order to do so can be lawfully enforced.

And, the logical place for an honest man in a corrupt system IS IN JAIL!

Did you disagree with the Nuremberg findings that "I WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS" was not an excuse?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-17   2:36:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"And, the logical place for an honest man in a corrupt system IS IN JAIL!"

Well said, great post.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-17   7:12:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Well said, great post.

Thank you.

Actually, you said it better than I could.

I believe that many Vietnam era vets feel the same and would have the courage to refuse and the morals to understand why.

But, sadly, the military is now the JOB CORPS, and as Jefferson said, "Literacy is not a luxury, it is a moral condition."

As the standards for enlistment fall ever lower we are arming up less educated (and less moral) individuals. It's no coincidence that for the most part the principled refuseniks are officers, and the AWOLers are just scared kids who don't want to get their brains shot partially away and end up drooling in playpens.

The former understand the moral bankruptcy of this bloody imperialist folly, the latter just know that it isn't for the preservation of the Merken Way.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-17   9:43:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

again, well said. as i have told buckeroo before, it takes a whole lot more courage to resist this evil once one comes to understand it than it does to go along--mistaken oath to the devil be damned.

christine  posted on  2006-10-17   10:23:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

again, well said. as i have told buckeroo before, it takes a whole lot more courage to resist this evil once one comes to understand it than it does to go along--mistaken oath to the devil be damned.

Absolutely! (and thank you, BTW)

I remember reading about a young Mennonite soldier in The Great War who was sent to Leavenworth and dribbled like a basketball by those sadistic marine guards. (in the early 20th century the govt was still not convinced of the Mennonite resolve to resist going under arms, and this unfortunate man was to be an example to his brethren)

They chained him with his arms over his head standing in icey water in the winter, and he quite naturally sickened and died.

When his mother came to KS to claim his remains he had already been buried in his uniform.

Not only do those sadists not understand religious or moral objections, but, they are bound by nothing but loyalty to their paychecks and fear of their own medicine, and the systematic torture/murder of refuseniks doesn't cost them a single wink at night.

We've heard various stories about lawyers and even a chaplain in GITMO running afoul of BushCo's little harpies.

But, have you ever heard of an instructor at WHINSEC (formerly the SCHOOL OF THE AMERICAS) refusing to teach the finer points of connecting battery chargers to genitalia?

There is no shortage of sadists willing to teach banana republicans how to instill sheer terror in raggedy dirt farmers.

They'd have us believe that pure evil was represented by Christian Szell (as played by "Sir Laurence" in MARATHON MAN-he was allegedly based on Dr. Josef Mengele) but, in fact neither the Nazis nor the Israelis can teach Americans a goddam thing about the subject. (anymore-we studied with their experts once. But, as always our boys proved to be most apt pupils, and....)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-17   10:59:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Young man, you're on a real roll this morning......don't stop. Not ever. The truth may be painful at times, but it is what sets us free.

rowdee  posted on  2006-10-17   11:40:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Young man, you're on a real roll this morning

a man of substance (but i'm not pointing him out ;)

christine  posted on  2006-10-18   23:44:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

a man of substance (but i'm not pointing him out ;)

Yeah....lets not discuss the substance :)

rowdee  posted on  2006-10-19   0:19:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

lets not discuss the substance

A man/woman giving their oath ( for any reason, signing a check, providing a service as fixing an automobile, ensuring a family unit, a pledge towards their own military unit engaged in battle ) and not delivering their best efforts has no substance to themselves nor society at large.

Is your opinion nothing more than the removal of an oath so as to lower the bar upon honor?

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-19   0:43:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Is your opinion nothing more than the removal of an oath so as to lower the bar upon honor?

Huh? Whew....think I'll go back to playing a card game.....have a good evening, buckeroo. Nite...

rowdee  posted on  2006-10-19   0:51:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

No.

Lets play "cards" right here. I say honor is an important concept about transforming America towards the roots about our nation. Isn't that an obvious characteristic about anyone you know on a personal basis? "When we say we are going to do something, we mean it?"

One of the reasons why our world is quickly changing is because individual efforts have been supplanted by collective ones. This has always lead to turmoil anywhere around the world. We should hold individual merit to the highest level of placement within the scope of challenging the world around us. This means that our honor is about all we can offer ... not some compromise that government suggests.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-19   1:03:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"One of the reasons why our world is quickly changing is because individual efforts have been supplanted by collective ones. This has always lead to turmoil anywhere around the world. We should hold individual merit to the highest level of placement within the scope of challenging the world around us. This means that our honor is about all we can offer ... not some compromise that government suggests."

You sound as clueless regarding what honor and commitment is as Bush and other Neo Cons do. If I were in combat and a member of my unit violated the law, I would either act to stop them or report it and expect them to be held accountable for what they did.

That is how you act as a professional on the battlefield. Not by throwing out common sense and human decency in order to commit to following illegal orders.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-19   1:10:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That is how you act as a professional on the battlefield.

In actual battle, we have our assholes all puckered upped, sometimes crying our hearts & souls out about why we are this mess to begin with. Is that the "professionalism" you want to see? Because, in battle it gets no better than this.

I should know.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-19   1:14:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"I should know."

But you don't. Despite the stress and chaos of war, there are rules of conduct and engagement. I want them followed. If you want respect, you should show it. Violating the international laws of war can endanger American military when people reciprocate the same treatment unto them.

You ignore common sense and good ethical behavior at your own peril. Despite what you think, there is no shortcut in the conduct of war that violates the Geneva Accords that doesn't eventually cost you dearly in the end.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-19   1:44:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Despite the stress and chaos of war, there are rules of conduct and engagement.

You want tea & crumpets offered as a method recess, 'eh? Cool.

Violating the international laws of war can endanger American military when people reciprocate the same treatment unto them.

Who cares about that? That's a government problem far beyond your reach or mine. Its an issue that is worthless to elaborate upon. Its an issue only politicians may control. And your pathetic elevation of the point simply shows your distress about arguing the point.

Individual honor is a steadfast issue with me and the whole world. We are nothing more than our, individual word and capability to fulfil our own dignity and honor based upon a promise as far as we can individually create effort. And here you are saying its all about believing in government ideals while compromising our own viewpoints.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-19   1:55:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"And here you are saying its all about believing in government ideals while compromising our own viewpoints."

You seem not to have any idea what honor or what good ethical behavior is. Thanks for sharing, I appreciate your forthright answer that you throw ethical behavior and lawful conduct out the window in any war you are involved in.

If I were around you in a combat situation, I wouldn't turn my back on a scoundrel like you. If I couldn't avoid such a misfortune in any way first that is.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-19   2:02:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If I were around you in a combat situation, I wouldn't turn my back on a scoundrel like you.

You couldn't. You would have just been standing around doing nothing writing your mother while shining my boots or bringing coffee to our troops in the brigade based upon my orders. And you would have been scooted home bound to make you happy about your own freedoms that you have no personal honor to protect.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-19   2:12:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We signed onto the Geneva Convention and are obligated to follow the rule of law as it protects our people as much as anyone else.

You are arguing the point that we don't have to follow any law, that we can ignore the law book and just do as we feel suits our most sleazy idea of what is most convenient for us to do.

And because you know this is indefensible, you do the comical decent into the world of half baked ad homenim attack.

Sonny boy, I'd polish one boot in combat with you around. And that is the one I stuck up you ass when I kicked it if you were dumb enough to act in real life like you do in forum toward me. You have neither honor nor common sense, otherwise you wouldn't talk so ignorantly, here.

You talk insultingly about who has no honor after claiming we as a nation should operate in war as if we have no honor or commitment to the rule of law because you realize you have painted yourself into a corner and left yourself with no defensible ground in claiming the oath of enlistment just means we follow the orders from the top on down and question nothing about any impropriety in how the leadership we follow.

You claim I have no honor after showing you don't know what the word means.

Your silly words don't bother me Buckie. In this case you are projecting your own inadequacies and failings, not mine. My sense of honor and comprehension of commitment to personal honor and to operate with integrity and commitment to sound ethical behavior is preferable to your contention the rule of law has no point of reference except what people like Bush say it does in a very self serving way. Nobody is too high on the chain of command to ignore sound ethical behavior, commitment to the principle of law and decent human conduct.

You have taken the position that Bush and company are above the law, and the oath of enlistment means you must follow them with the same irrational commitment as lemmings following lemmings as they run into the sea to drown.

It is you who you insult with your words meant to anger and distract, not me. So forget about me angering up and climbing down into the gutter to join you in your pointless, kindergarten grade mud fest.

The tactics of insult to smoke screen how badly you lost this debate doesn't work on me any more then other tired worn out tactics you have tried here. You can wallow in your grammar school level modus operandi without me

If you want to react to losing a debate by pouting like a child, it is your problem, not mine.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-19   8:33:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are arguing the point that we don't have to follow any law ....

No I am not. You are saying I have to accept any law. There is a BIG_DIFFERENCE, pal.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-19   23:13:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"No I am not. You are saying I have to accept any law. There is a BIG_DIFFERENCE, pal."

You raised the right hand and swore this oath going into the military. Inherent to the oath is acceptance of the Geneva Accords as rule of international law regarding conduct of war.

You are a hypocrite, and myopia regarding your own history leaves you here a childish whiner. I know it if you do not; pal.

You are trying to take the ground you would only have if you had declared yourself a sovereign citizen above the recognition and invocation of all the compromises to our sovereignty as human beings inherent to life in our culture if you live in any context of it's rules.

This is fine if you had done this, but by your own admission of having gone into the military, this is not so.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-21   1:24:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#142. To: Ferret Mike (#138)

You raised the right hand and swore this oath going into the military. Inherent to the oath is acceptance of the Geneva Accords as rule of international law regarding conduct of war.

You are a hypocrite, and myopia regarding your own history leaves you here a childish whiner. I know it if you do not; pal.

I swore to defend the US Constitution as a soldier and to obey the chain of command. I fulfilled my oath and duties 38 years ago and I received an honorable discharge. My job is complete swearing an oath.

Are you saying that because I fulfilled my responsibilities that I must carry those same oaths forward forever? Are you insane? Look at yourself calling me a hypocrite when you have foolishly assumed a spineless position.

I owe no allegiance or duty to any government. And I don't have to accept the rules of warfare based upon any nation's or government's agreements. I am free unlike yourself wherein you are chained to some despotic concept about law.

buckeroo  posted on  2006-10-21 13:29:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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