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Title: Goldi on Women's Suffrage
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URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/ ... rt.cgi?ArtNum=162468&Disp=5#C4
Published: Oct 16, 2006
Author: Goldi-Lox
Post Date: 2006-10-16 21:50:48 by Nostalgia
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4. To: High Hopes (#0) Women led the opposition, with seven in 10 saying they oppose the war. Twenty-eight percent say they support it, which is the lowest support among women in any CNN poll taken since the invasion more than three years ago. Women voting is a mistake. Women are emotional, changeable, and notoriously unstable because of hormone flux. They usually want to talk talk talk talk a situation over, under, around, and to death. LONG after the time for action. And action, even when the right thing to do, is the LAST thing they want, and will try to stop it after it starts. I'm a woman, and I know this is true. I'd give up my vote in a minute if they took it away from all other women as well. We just don't have what it takes to be "rulers" and "deciders". Those roles require cooler heads and harder hearts. Goldi-Lox posted on 2006-10-16 17:54:48 ET Reply Trace
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#40. To: tom007 (#32)
Good golly Miss Molly. I hope it wasn't twins he was carrying. That is one plump Elvis.
He is obviously carrying "twins". I suggest his taylor make some pant adjustments, and real soon.
Hey, taking pictures of the FRetard City Patriot Potties/After-Action Buffet security cops is NOT ALLOWED. Rimjob is going to very unhappy with you.
Pathetic. About as impressive as Rachael Corrie being at fault for her bulldozer death. Or palianimals having the right to breathe.
Oh ick. Just noticed that. Glad I already ate dinner.
um..i see some twins there. :P
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
Pray it wasn't raw Oysters.
hahahahaha...i wrote my observation before i read yours.
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
US troops 'winning friends in Iraq' Why does Buck post these there at LP? Then he makes a show that he hates the piece and that he is, "...not a liberal nor a democrat as you claim. Nor am I a "compassionate conservative" or a Republican as yourself" to a bot's bot there. There are just some things I can't understand about the lad.
So I guess this means she should resign her position as forum moderator as, by her own admission, she is obviously unable to render sensible decisions because of her sex. I'll have to bring this up with her tomorrow.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Just don't let her serve what this guy's having: Because I feel like posting that ludicrous crap. I love the torturous methods of enigmas snapping jellyfish's backs ... like yours.
Actually, it is more the tactic of those conflicted. You are like the guy who says no while shaking your head yes. As far as torturous goes, I have no problem with your loony thread posting there. And as far as insults go, yours' amuse me.
You are very confused. I have maintained my perspectives upon the various HOT political topics forever. You know that, too. Of course, you won't produce any links worthy of merit to actually contradict me, either. All you can do is say what you believe which is an outright lie.
Believe? I didn't say I believed anything. I noted an interesting manner in which you seem to court conflict. You spoke so glowingly and compassionately about Goofy-Lox being a Mama protecting her creation, LP. Then you post an article she would agree with and post back patting denials that that is how you feel about the war. So, are you empathetic with her and trying to contribute in ways she likes, or hacking at her? You seem to have some conflict and I merely inquire regarding this. CS - "Goldi is just another JimRob." Rubbish. Shes struggling. Shes seeing a change in the political climate; shes renewed her forum with a re-fresh of tech and sees new forum members pouncing in more than ever. Shes a mother hen wanting none other than to protect the forum. Nothing wrong with that .... but, the strain is showing. buckeroo posted on 2006-05-04 2:17:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply I rarely perform the gang pings that you elude to. The article I posted was not intended for Goldie or anyone in particular. I simply stated my opinion by ripping it up which I have always performed. In effect, it was intended for EVERYONE including yourself whom is making a BIG_DEAL out of it. Ever since I have been at LP ( since 2002-3 ) I have been against GW Bush's Iraqi invasion. EVERYONE knows it, to include EVERYONE on 4um but yourself. Get a life, pal. You are losing yourself in delusion.
Yes, I am. Sally, for the most part has a much larger problem on LP than most forums. The spectrum of opinion is much wider than say here at 4um, as an example. I didn't like her banning you and a number of other posters. And I stated my adverse opinion about it, AS YOU KNOW.
How special of you. You are conflicted. When I showed you the contradiction inherent to your call to murder a man who acted in accordance with his conscious and refused to go back to take part in what he had come to realize is an illegal and immoral conflict you went ballistic and avoided any further discussion on the topic. He acted in accordance with the Geneva Accords that superseded his oath of enlistment. And you reacted by going nutz. So, what is it Buck? An illegal and immoral conflict people should display good moral judgment and refuse to take part in? Should the Geneva Convention that calls upon people who would say, "I was only following orders" to remember they have higher responsibilities, some of which call for them to disobey illegal orders be taken seriously? Or what? No, you are conflicted, that is obvious. And you have a Madonna/Whore relationship with Goofy-Lox on top of it. I only note what I see Buckeroo. I am more impressed by the contradictions I note then by your bluster about your beliefs.
The man contradicted his own oath. In the REAL world, we don't get to sit around and act like pansies protected by the tooth-fairy. We stand tall and confront our own basis of reality. We maintain our honor by ensuring that our own oath is actually worth something besides an at-ta-boy. The decision to join the military is totally voluntary in the US. And its a serious matter. The later decision to abandon his oath was, as well. But, it jeopardized others within his own unit. It could have cost others their lives.
ROTFL.
One cannot be honor bound to commit immoral acts. Few who took that oath ever anticipated the evil of these blood soaked neocons. No oath can be invoked to obscure the fact that the killing of non combatants is murder. No order to do so can be lawfully enforced. And, the logical place for an honest man in a corrupt system IS IN JAIL! Did you disagree with the Nuremberg findings that "I WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS" was not an excuse?
It's a natural attraction, Mother Nature wouldn't make a mistake...what really turns me on...is the shake__Neal McCoy
You don't know squat, do you? Smirk, Rummy and Snarl violated the spirit of the oaths taken by our military men and women by engaging them in a war not conducted for the defense of this country. It is a war that makes nonsense of the oath by making our men and women who swore it mercenaries to Imperialism, and for profit entities like Kellogg Brown and Root. They didn't raise their right hand to take part in a pointless war of zero purpose to wind up being whores for Haliburton In a nonsense war with no mission or real defensive purpose, men do foolish things out of frustration and because our culture not grounded in good ethical behavior. They shoot at the cars of innocents to speed them up or move them out of the way on the road. They get angry and pull a man out and put a bullet in his head frustrated at deaths in their unit and because they could/t find whom they were looking for (real incident). The oaths were compromised by making people work in a war that is one huge war crime. I would refuse to go if I were still in. If enough people did combat refusals in illegal and immoral wars, they would be doing the true and best defense of their country. He went giving the liars the benefit of the doubt. He found out they were indeed lying and putting his unit and him in needless jeopardy of their lives for a purposeless conflict. He has courage, ethics and conviction. People like you who feel the oath is like some blood initiation into a mafia generally don't understand what a commitment to that oath means. He didn't abandon his oath, he honored it by refusing to fight in a war that makes nonsense of the sworn commitment to defend this republic and her constitution. It is Bush and company who take hat oath lightly and consider the U.S. Constitution a "goddamn piece of paper." We had our first refusals by officers to fly combat missions in B-52s doing carpet bombing in Indochina as the criminal Nixon shifted from a ground war to a navel bombardment and air war. Those were brave men with true principles accepting imprisonment and other negative sanctions rather then engage in criminal conduct at the behest of criminals of the illegal war making kind. Get your head out of your ass Buck. This is the real world and that oath means something. And if a man is smart and moral enough to put two and two together and realize they actually are being made to dishonor their oath bu serving in an illegal and immoral war, he is honor bound to refuse to go to that theater of operations.
Well said, great post.
Thank you. Actually, you said it better than I could. I believe that many Vietnam era vets feel the same and would have the courage to refuse and the morals to understand why. But, sadly, the military is now the JOB CORPS, and as Jefferson said, "Literacy is not a luxury, it is a moral condition." As the standards for enlistment fall ever lower we are arming up less educated (and less moral) individuals. It's no coincidence that for the most part the principled refuseniks are officers, and the AWOLers are just scared kids who don't want to get their brains shot partially away and end up drooling in playpens. The former understand the moral bankruptcy of this bloody imperialist folly, the latter just know that it isn't for the preservation of the Merken Way.
I love you. Don't make me point you out because you know who you are!
No oath can be invoked to obscure the fact that the killing of non combatants is murder. No order to do so can be lawfully enforced. And, the logical place for an honest man in a corrupt system IS IN JAIL! so very well stated.
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
I had a decision to make in those Vietnam war days. Do I go to the Moratorium Day demonstration against the war, then lie to the school where I had been. Going to a demonstration was not an authorized absence, and it was made clear to us in a special announcement by our vice principal. I decided to go ahead and say why I was absent. I decided I was right to stand and be counted against this evil war. I decided not to let them pervert my convictions by making me get a parental note saying I was elsewhere authorized as an absence. I was suspended for four days. Two who also did as I did were thrown off the student council for following their principles and exercising good ethical behavior and not lying about going to a demonstration forbidden only because it conflicted with the school administration's political views. We then had a sit-down strike the next day that paralyzed the school. Others and I were suspended for two weeks missing final exams for the school year. We had been promised re-reinstatement and a nullifying of the four day suspensions if we assuaged to requests to end the strike. I was thrown off the National Honor Society for, "grade problems and showing lack of commitment toward proper community and peer leadership." They even made a big deal about getting the pin back, (which I still have) trying to get my new school in Eugene, Oregon to watch for it if I wore it to seize it. It was not a move that added building blocks to a well padded resume. But I did the right thing. I learned early on that if you go against the wrong political corrosive flow, you will be made to pay and pay dearly. It put the fire in my belly I have to this day against this sort of ideological bullying. I won a special court martial my first enlistment accusing me of flipping the flag off during the National Anthem. I decided that this was so revoltingly and patently false and after a purpose as painting me as unAmerican for my political views of which I was very outspoken, I decided that if I were indeed to be convicted of what I would never do, I would ask for the longest sentence possible as a protest and demonstration of my will not to be bowed for my views. I learned how to be a good citizen with a discriminating and inquisitive mind by rejecting the fetishes that would tempt me to do otherwise. And if they ever, ever start rounding people up a la Nazi Germany for the 'wrong views,' I am going to make them pay as dearly as I humanly can for doing so. That is not a promise, that is a blood vow.
again, well said. as i have told buckeroo before, it takes a whole lot more courage to resist this evil once one comes to understand it than it does to go along--mistaken oath to the devil be damned.
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
you do have a most interesting history, Mike. i was so, so unaware of all this back then and, really, up until the last 5 yrs or so.
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
I was suspended for four days. Two who also did as I did were thrown off the student council for following their principles and exercising good ethical behavior and not lying about going to a demonstration forbidden only because it conflicted with the school administration's political views. We then had a sit-down strike the next day that paralyzed the school. Others and I were suspended for two weeks missing final exams for the school year. We had been promised re-reinstatement and a nullifying of the four day suspensions if we assuaged to requests to end the strike. I was thrown off the National Honor Society for, "grade problems and showing lack of commitment toward proper community and peer leadership." They even made a big deal about getting the pin back, (which I still have) trying to get my new school in Eugene, Oregon to watch for it if I wore it to seize it. It was not a move that added building blocks to a well padded resume. But I did the right thing. I learned early on that if you go against the wrong political corrosive flow, you will be made to pay and pay dearly. "The best students all pledge Omega, something that will look good on YOUR permanent record, Chip."__Greg Marmalard I wouldn't worry to much about it. Corporate America is looking for people who are innovative and with .....relaxed moral standards. They expect you to job hunt using their WATS line and to Zerox your Rolodex when you leave. In other words, corporate America is a whore house and they won't look down on your youthful idealism too harshly. (just don't testify before congress against them or they'll send some goons to slip an icepick in your ear) You may consider working for someone with a code of ethics. The Medellin Cartel, for instance.
I love you. Don't make me point you out because you know who you are!
EEEwwwww!!! Roll'em up el tanke goldilicks. LOL.
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
I hope it wasn't twins he was carrying.
#42. To: tom007 (#31)
We're ready for Goldie.
#43. To: Nostalgia (#9)
#44. To: tom007 (#41)
(Edited)
"He is obviously carrying "twins"."
#45. To: Ferret Mike, tom007 (#40)
#46. To: Ferret Mike (#44)
Glad I already ate dinner.
#47. To: tom007 (#41)
#48. To: Morgana le Fay, Buckeroo (#26)
#49. To: Nostalgia, all (#0)
#50. To: mehitable (#49)
"I'll have to bring this up with her tomorrow."
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#48)
Why does Buck post these there at LP?
#52. To: buckeroo (#51)
#53. To: Ferret Mike (#52)
You are like the guy who says no while shaking your head yes.
#54. To: buckeroo (#53)
(Edited)
"All you can do is say what you believe which is an outright lie.
#9. To: Coral Snake (#5)
#55. To: Ferret Mike (#54)
#56. To: Ferret Mike (#54)
So, are you empathetic with her ...
#57. To: buckeroo (#55)
(Edited)
"I rarely perform the gang pings that you elude to."
"Ever since I have been at LP ( since 2002-3 ) I have been against GW Bush's Iraqi invasion. EVERYONE knows it, to include EVERYONE on 4um but yourself."
#58. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
When I showed you the contradiction inherent to your call to murder a man who acted in accordance with his conscious and refused to go back to take part in what he had come to realize is an illegal and immoral conflict you went ballistic and avoided any further discussion on the topic.
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
And you have a Madonna/Whore relationship with Goofy-Lox on top of it.
#60. To: buckeroo, Ferret Mike, Zipporah, christine (#58)
The man contradicted his own oath.
#61. To: buckeroo (#58)
(Edited)
"The man contradicted his own oath. In the REAL world, we don't get to sit around and act like pansies protected by the tooth-fairy. We stand tall and confront our own basis of reality. We maintain our honor by ensuring that our own oath is actually worth something besides an at-ta-boy."
" The decision to join the military is totally voluntary in the US. And its a serious matter. The later decision to abandon his oath was, as well. But, it jeopardized others within his own unit. It could have cost others their lives."
#62. To: HOUNDDAWG (#60)
"And, the logical place for an honest man in a corrupt system IS IN JAIL!"
#63. To: Ferret Mike, buckaroo, christine, Zipporah, Angel Spawn, rowdee, Diana, robin (#62)
Well said, great post.
#64. To: HOUNDDAWG (#60)
One cannot be honor bound to commit immoral acts. Few who took that oath ever anticipated the evil of these blood soaked neocons.
#65. To: HOUNDDAWG (#63)
#66. To: HOUNDDAWG, buckeroo (#63)
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
#68. To: Ferret Mike (#65)
I decided to go ahead and say why I was absent. I decided I was right to stand and be counted against this evil war. I decided not to let them pervert my convictions by making me get a parental note saying I was elsewhere authorized as an absence.
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
I understand she burnt her bra years ago after it stopped working.
**LEAP**
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. Government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and choking life.
-- Osama bin Laden
"A prohibition law strikes at the very principles upon which our govt was founded."
- Lincoln
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William K Clifford
#70. To: christine, Ferret Mike (#66)
Absolutely! (and thank you, BTW) I remember reading about a young Mennonite soldier in The Great War who was sent to Leavenworth and dribbled like a basketball by those sadistic marine guards. (in the early 20th century the govt was still not convinced of the Mennonite resolve to resist going under arms, and this unfortunate man was to be an example to his brethren) They chained him with his arms over his head standing in icey water in the winter, and he quite naturally sickened and died. When his mother came to KS to claim his remains he had already been buried in his uniform. Not only do those sadists not understand religious or moral objections, but, they are bound by nothing but loyalty to their paychecks and fear of their own medicine, and the systematic torture/murder of refuseniks doesn't cost them a single wink at night. We've heard various stories about lawyers and even a chaplain in GITMO running afoul of BushCo's little harpies. But, have you ever heard of an instructor at WHINSEC (formerly the SCHOOL OF THE AMERICAS) refusing to teach the finer points of connecting battery chargers to genitalia? There is no shortage of sadists willing to teach banana republicans how to instill sheer terror in raggedy dirt farmers. They'd have us believe that pure evil was represented by Christian Szell (as played by "Sir Laurence" in MARATHON MAN-he was allegedly based on Dr. Josef Mengele) but, in fact neither the Nazis nor the Israelis can teach Americans a goddam thing about the subject. (anymore-we studied with their experts once. But, as always our boys proved to be most apt pupils, and....)
again, well said. as i have told buckeroo before, it takes a whole lot more courage to resist this evil once one comes to understand it than it does to go along--mistaken oath to the devil be damned.
I love you. Don't make me point you out because you know who you are!
#71. To: HOUNDDAWG (#70)
Young man, you're on a real roll this morning......don't stop. Not ever. The truth may be painful at times, but it is what sets us free.
#72. To: rowdee (#71)
It's not as if I have any choice, really. The IRS and various elected officials have tried repeatedly to tenderize me in the past 23 years, but it only pissed me off even more. I turned down elecrical construction work at federal rate (about $30 hr) at the NSA in Fort Meade because I knew I'd never make it past the front desk. Other buddies told me that when they ran the check on them they told them which electricians had grandfathers who were Klansmen, etc. And, I'll never get a passport or internal ID card if such a thing comes to pass. I'm resigned to the prospect of being persona non grata in what used to be my own country. I've been this way ever since they murdered JFK, and each year the running dog media hacks further aggravated my neuroses by calling me and others "conspiracy theorists". So, my disdain for the wormy govt began long before most Americans even knew there was a problem, and I made no effort to hide it.
......don't stop. Not ever. The truth may be painful at times, but it is what sets us free.
I love you. Don't make me point you out because you know who you are!
#73. To: Nostalgia (#0)
Women are emotional, changeable, and notoriously unstable because of hormone flux. They usually want to talk talk talk talk a situation over, under, around, and to death. LONG after the time for action. And action, even when the right thing to do, is the LAST thing they want, and will try to stop it after it starts. I'm a woman, and I know this is true. I'd give up my vote in a minute if they took it away from all other women as well. We just don't have what it takes to be "rulers" and "deciders". Those roles require cooler heads and harder hearts. Uh .. I'm rendered speechless.. dear gawd.
Women voting is a mistake.
#74. To: Ferret Mike (#61)
Cool the theatrics, pal. Here is the oath we are discussing: And you say that its OK for an experienced soldier to just walk away and hide. Yeah, he can just skip away, whistling Dixie while sucking a government paid lollipop without any social stigma attached to his cowardice towards his own pledge. I say he should be executed.
People like you who feel the oath is like some blood initiation into a mafia generally don't understand what a commitment to that oath means.
I, {insert name here}, do solemnly swear, (or affirm), that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. (Note that the last line is not required to be said if the speaker has a personal or moral objection)
#75. To: buckeroo (#74)
I posted that a few days ago, you just don't pay attention sometimes. Answer the question in this earlier post for me please: Attacking a person who is hors de combat is a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions. (Protocol I, Art. 85, Sec. 3) Persons are hors de combat if they have been captured, if they have surrendered, or if they are unconscious or otherwise incapacitated provided that they do not attempt to fight or escape. (Protocol I, Art. 41, Sec. 2) Parachutists who eject from a damaged aircraft cannot be attacked while they are descending. (Protocol I, Art. 42, Sec. 1) Parachuters who have landed in hostile territory must be given a chance to surrender, unless they are clearly acting hostile. (Protocol I, Art. 42, Sec. 2) http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=36741&Disp=11#C11
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=36741&Disp=9#C9
#11. To: buckeroo (#8)
If I were under official orders to be in the Armed Forces and in a combat zone, and my superior officer said, "Look, they are parachuting from that plane that is about to crash, fire them up!" and I absolutely refused, I would be disobeying the enlistment oath I quoted in my last post, but I would be obeying the Geneva convention accords. Do you agree? hors de combat Combatants who are hors de combat are out of the fight are and entitled to respect for their lives and physical and moral integrity. They are to be protected and treated humanely, without adverse discrimination. (Convention I Art. 3; Protocol I, Art. 4)
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#75)
Yeah. And I had to remind you again. Because you don't know how to read your own posts. In short, don't commit yourself about anything. You have no honor about your own oath.
I posted that a few days ago, you just don't pay attention sometimes.
#77. To: buckeroo (#76)
Answer the question, stop stalling.
#78. To: Ferret Mike (#77)
Your hypothetical question shall never exist upon this planet. It certainly isn't within the framework of reality of my perceptions.
#79. To: buckeroo (#78)
Then why did they include that verbiage in the Geneva Accords? I am going to take that as a default to an answer that you in fact do not support the Geneva convention or international law regarding war. You sure are acting like you don't and just don't want to say so. The question is easy. A moron like Quantrill could even answer it. You feel that if you swear an oath to defend the Constitution, that obeying the orders to aid a criminal commander in chief subvert the U.S. Constitution is unavoidable because your oath says to do what they say, even should you know what they are doing is wrong. This is not the case, if they are engaged in an illegal and immoral war your oath binds you to disobey the orders of superiors that contradict the intent of their oath and yours'. This soldier is to be commented for refusing to go to combat involving an illegal and immoral war. You arguing he is duty bound to do so is a de facto support of Mr. Bush and his war efforts. You are conflicted. You don't support Bush and what he does, but you believe people who know better should act as if they don't in order to help him in the commission of conducting a wrong. You just can't have it both ways. You don't make any sense.
#80. To: Ferret Mike (#79)
Convince me why I should answer your question .... Shall I learn that no matter which answer I provide, you shall attempt to be outraged? Isn't that why you invited me to this thread in the first place? And, moreover, I see you have changed your reasons to chat with me. The issue you have with me has nothing to do with Goldi, the thread's title. Nor is the issue about my perspective concerning honor, some past thread you picked off from LP. You just want to play around. You want to see if I contradict myself in such a way that you can achieve a method of immortality to eliminate those stale elephant GOP cartoons that you use as your postscript. Get rid of that crap, you look foolish.
If I were under official orders to be in the Armed Forces and in a combat zone, and my superior officer said, "Look, they are parachuting from that plane that is about to crash, fire them up!" and I absolutely refused, I would be disobeying the enlistment oath I quoted in my last post, but I would be obeying the Geneva convention accords. Do you agree?
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