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Title: South Park and Biblical Prophecy
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URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell61.html
Published: Oct 18, 2006
Author: Bill Barnwell
Post Date: 2006-10-18 06:55:13 by YertleTurtle
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Comments: 40
Like all libertarians and traditional conservatives, I am concerned about the growth and power of government. There are certainly some in positions of power that are doing their best to erode away our national sovereignty through various means. Likewise, managed bureaucratic trade agreements masquerade as "free trade." The rise of the "global war on terrorism" has also clamped down on freedom in an ironic attempt to defend freedom. Many conservatives, especially religious conservatives, are expecting the rise of a "New World Order" or some sort of one-world government. Pessimistic secular conservatives and libertarians see it as the inevitable result of growing government influence around the world. Some pessimistic religious conservatives and libertarians believe such an event is ordained to occur based on Bible prophecy. Accepting the fact that there are global elites who probably do want to see something resembling a "global government" of sorts, are we truly in danger of seeing one any time soon? Most likely the answer is no. The first problem with the fatalist line of thought is that it gives way too much credit and power to the government and incompetent bureaucrats. Last week's episode of South Park alluded to this very point. It joked that the government itself was actually in charge of all the 9/11 conspiracy publications out there so that people would think that the authorities truly were all powerful. But as most people know, the government can't even administer many of their own pork-barrel spending projects correctly, and yet we are to believe that they masterminded the terrorist attacks. Yeah, right. "But you see, man, that's just what they want you to think!" is the objection I often hear from conspiracy theorists. Many of these same conspiracy theorists are constantly railing against government incompetence over the simplest of matters. Yet they are truly convinced that a crowd of shadowy government officials large enough to fit inside an auditorium are able to cover up the worst terrorist tragedy on American soil, or whatever else. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm very open to the idea that there are things we don't fully know or that some information has been withheld from us (on any number of issues). I don't fully trust "official government reports" and know there's usually more to the story. But that's a far cry from claiming that a near omnipotent federal government made 9/11 an "inside job." In fact, I can't believe anyone even takes such a moronic notion seriously. During the whole Clinton-Lewinsky fiasco, there was not a day that went by when administration officials could not help from divulging secrets of some sorts. But apparently there are some who want us to believe that while the government couldn't contain leaks about Lewinsky's stained dress; they sure can prevent leaks about global government plots or George Bush's secret plan to blow up the World Trade Center. Aside from just being ridiculous, it gives the government way, way too much credit. A second problem with the global conspiracy crowd and those who think a "New World Order" is inevitable is that they are too pessimistic. Why promote the cause of liberty if there's ultimately no hope to begin with? I know there are plenty of ignorant people out there, but I have hope that voices of freedom will win the argument at the end of the day if it comes down to a final choice between ultimate totalitarianism and liberty. While the post-9/11 climate has demonstrated that many people are willing to sacrifice certain liberties, I have faith that even with these folks that there is a limit to their deference. Throughout history, we have seen with certain populations that there is only so much they can take before they say "enough." I highly doubt that the American people would walk freely into absolute tyranny, even if government elites were able to pull something like that off – which they probably can't. A third problem is unique to a segment of the religious pessimists. They have been taught and truly believe that the books of Daniel and Revelation teaches things such as a totalitarian one world government (usually in the form of a "Revived Roman Empire"), microchips inserted into people’s bodies to control all of their transactions, and all sorts of other interesting things that the Biblical text doesn't actually say, but is assumed and imposed on various passages. The most fantastic handlings of prophetic and apocalyptic texts come from the dispensationalist wing of Christianity. It's not uncommon for such individuals to engage in "newspaper exegesis" by forcing any catastrophe or current event into "Bible prophecy." The only groups more irresponsible than this are ones who get sucked into "Bible Code" teachings. These groups are even guiltier than even the most fanatical dispensationalists of treating the Bible like a giant fortune cookie. In any event, many doom and gloom Christians are shocked to know that there are other valid views on these prophetic texts and what such texts are actually referencing. When Christians actually study the Bible in its original context and as it was meant to be interpreted, they find that a lot of their previous and wild interpretations don't hold water. An excellent non-dispensational and premillennial commentary on the book of Revelation that is practical, but avoids much of the gloomy sensationalism common amongst most pop-prophecy teachers, is top rate New Testament scholar Craig Keener's Revelation application commentary. Whatever these prophetic texts do mean, they probably aren't referring to the European Union taking over the world. Besides, are we seriously supposed to believe that the oh-so dangerous EU is going to be the vehicle for a totalitarian one-world leader? Are a bunch of brainy and irrelevant guys from Belgium organizations really major players in "Bible prophecy?" This is taking these guys too seriously and not taking the Bible seriously enough. Of course there is the United Nations which many people, both secular and religious alike, consider a precursor to global government. Again, take a good hard look at the UN and ask yourself if you seriously believe that these international bureaucrats are really capable of taking over the world. If they are barely effective at doing anything right now, how on earth are they going to impose global dictatorship? It makes no rational sense. Speaking of the South Park creators, they had a telling line about the United Nations in their gross-out 2004 puppet movie Team America: World Police. In one scene, Hans Blix approaches Kim Jong-il about his nuclear weapons program. Blix commands the dictator to stop hiding his nuclear weapons. Kim then asks what will happen if he defies the United Nations. Blix then says about the United Nations, "Then we will be very, very angry, and write you a letter telling you how angry we are." This is a more accurate assessment of the UN than what is found in pop-prophecy books. I cite South Park twice here, not because I am endorsing their programming or think it is wholesome stuff, but to point out that they are more perceptive on the United Nations and government conspiracy theories than many otherwise intelligent libertarians, conservatives, and Christians. That's pretty sad. In the end, yes, encroaching government is a threat, and yes, globalists of whatever sort are a problem to the cause of liberty and need to be watched. But as far as an imminent takeover by prissy Europeans or UN diplomats, that's probably not going to happen, and that's probably not what Bible prophecy is talking about. I also have more faith and confidence in the cause of liberty than I do fear that we will be brought down by international bureaucrats. There is indeed a long road ahead, but many supporters of freedom are doing more harm than good with their doom and gloom delusionalism. Certainly we can offer people more than that in the war of ideas.
Poster Comment: I'll bet this poor guy got all kinds of attacks from the "U R so wrong. Bush wuz hehind 9-11. Masons/Illuminati/Zionists too!" crowd.
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#1. To: Bill Barnwell, All (#0)
Yawn. I am tired of such sophistry. The fact of the matter is that governments have engaged in precisely this sort of activity all throughout history. There is no arguing this. Stalin CONSPIRED to kill a popular senior party member, Sergei Kirov, with a set up patsy and fall guy and then used that murder as a pretext to start the Great Terror of late 1930's claiming he was protecting the country that was infested from top to botton with spies, wreckers, sabatoeurs, counter revolutionaries and terrorists. He held fantastical show trials in which the accussed- the fathers of the Bolshevik revolution itself- confessed to being spies. 95 percent of the country believed this stuff lock, stock, and barrell. Hitler- and the Reichstag fire, the false flag operation he used as a pretext to invade Poland. Now we hear about Great Britain actually setting up IRA attacks on their own border outposts in Northern Ireland. And we have a government that has over and over and over again- carried out operations of skullduggery and massive conspiracy in foreign lands for well over 50 years now. The infrastructure and the sort of "morality" and "culture" for doing something like 9/11 does exist in our government. There is no question that governments do these things. I could spend all day listing the times in History that governments have staged attacks on their own people, instigated attacks, uncovered phoney plots to attack . . . over and over. The question isn't that these things don't happen. The question is- do we live in a country in which it is possible to carry out something like a massive 9/11 type false flag operation and have it basically be ignored by our major media? That's the question. And I think the answer to that question is a resounding YES- just from what we have seen of our media in relation to the Iraq war- and from the Clinton years. Yet they are truly convinced that a crowd of shadowy government officials large enough to fit inside an auditorium are able to cover up the worst terrorist tragedy on American soil, or whatever else. They didn't cover it up. Most Americans suspect SOMETHING. That this author and NBC are not delving into it is not the standard for truth. Der Reich Radio wasn't exactly broadcasting that the Nazis burned down the Reichstag either- but many Germans suspected it. Were they "kooks"? Were they "morons" too? The first question is- do we have a government that is morally capable of such an act? From 50 years of running a de facto empire with all manner of conspiracies and under handed vileness- committing "evil" for the "Greater good" of the country- it was only a matter of time before these habits came home in domestic politics. The second question is- if such an act were pulled off- would the conspirators be able to control most media that is considered "trustworthy"? Again- this is a subject for another essay- but I think that answer is a very affirmitive yes.
The Author has a point about the "world conspiracy" for a one world government. I do think there are "globalists" and even cabals of men who have some sort of "Vision" for this- but it is hardly a "plan" locked in some drawer in the skulls and bones tomb at Yale. I tend to think of the "globalist" being a sort of culture that exists among the jet setters of international finance and government. Not as some conspiracy with 8 guys sitting around a star chamber drinking brandy in sifters and discussing their evil plans for a one world government.
PS- All governments do three things extremely well- kill people, hold on to power, and expand power. Again with the Soviet analogy- The USSR couldn't bring in a grain harvast to save it's life, make a decent automobile for mass production, or even keep their people flush with toilet paper- but they could poison foreign diplomats with state of the art umbrella's dipped in poison. They could hunt down and kill every Trotskyite on Earth no matter how well protected- they could fund and train mini bolshevik conspiracies all over the world and otherwise do a whole host of things when it came to ensuring their power, shoring it up- or expanding it. The idea that because the US postal service can't deliver the mail well is somehow proof that government can't engage in conspiracy is what is moronic. Likewise the idea that because the piffling Lewinsky scandal became known (while deeper darker crimes were shoved under the rug) that it would be impossible for other crimes to go undetected or not paid attention to by those who matter is likewise a strawman.
By the way, I go nuts every time I have to read these American Christian nutters who say Russia is Gog/Magog and whatever little thing Russia does AGAINST America's wishes or Israel is further proof that they are the leading army of the anti-Christ or something. Maybe, just maybe the Antichrist is America itself? I can make a case that America behind the current extinction of Eastern Christians from Bosnia to Kosovo to Iraq - where American interventions have created Islamic majority states. Anyway the reason that drives me nuts is that these groups may affect policy towards Russia - in that whatever Russia does to be nice with America these groups don't care and urge their congressmen and senators to drive a hard line anyway because they know Russia is going to lead the Magog armies in the near future anyway - that is dangerous.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Of course they do. They are correct to do so. But just in case they start looking there exists 'honey traps' to snare them along the way. Instead of looking up why America was employing and training Islamic terrorists for 20+ years - allowing them into the USA with few if any visa restrictions and allowing jihad training camps all over the - Virginia (For Arabs) and Yonkers, NY (For the Albanians) - they get sidetracked into the WTC building demolition conspiracy - You have to understand - when I see all these produced 911 truth videos - my media training takes over - Where did these groups get the initial money to produce such videos? Who funded their start? Why was a Frenchman writing a book that stated that the WTC was attacked by missiles not rammed by planes? Is someone/group putting outlandish theories in order to muddy the truth? Distract and discredit any notion of conspiracy?
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Indeed. New Babylon has now conquered Old Babylon. Some might even deem the bastard child of this unholy marriage "Babylon the Great" of Revelation 18.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Anyway the reason that drives me nuts is that these groups may affect policy towards Russia - in that whatever Russia does to be nice with America these groups don't care and urge their congressmen and senators to drive a hard line anyway because they know Russia is going to lead the Magog armies in the near future anyway - that is dangerous.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
Exactly. The author of the article tries to argue against it a priori, but as you point out, the a priori argument rules it in, not out.
If there's one thing governments do well, it's massive death. Why promote the cause of liberty if there's ultimately no hope to begin with? "Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many." But as far as an imminent takeover by prissy Europeans or UN diplomats, that's probably not going to happen Well, yes. At the very least the North American Union must be born first. Give them twenty or so years for the bugs in that construct to be worked out. Then onwards and upwards. The natural, lazy temptation, is to completely discount such far-off eventualities. The urgency many patriots feel seems absurd to a typical American. Just like with race. But Enoch Powell was right. Also were right those who warned the 1964 civil rights act would lead to quotas. They of course were pooh-poohed at the time, since, after all, the actual language of the act forbids quotas. These things aren't inevitable, but become more likely when dismissed by the lazy and shortsighted. In hindsight, the more pessimistic and radical rightists have been more prescient.
True, but the author is not stating that the govt is not capable of killing vast amounts of people - they are - only doing it in such a manner that it is executed to look like they did not do it in a highly efficient and secret manner is doubtful. Like, recruiting what must be a highly skilled cadre of mad amoral/immoral demolition experts who would have had to sneak into the WTC buildings to be hit, then lay explosives and detonators and wires - all unseen - and somehow allow them to be detonated in such a fiery environment without an electrical short or transmission signal error for radio controlled devices and also pray that the planes hit the buildings you planted demolition charges in and then try and make sure all those people do not slip up - get caught - spill the beans because they found Jesus or feel they were underpaid and so on. Also, you need to make sure the leading engineers and demolition people and police and fire depts are on board and don't expose you and that all of the hits work like clockwork - that just begs credibility.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I hate to say it, but I believe America to be Babylon, and you are exactly right about the impossibility of remote-controlled planes, explosives in the WTC, hundreds of conspirators, etc. Such a conspiracy would be impossibly complex.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
uh huh. sure. it's not like governments to pull off complex conspiracies against their own people, huh? and it's not like they haven't told us in their own words. (i.e. Northwoods document)
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
True. that just begs credibility Also true. Everybody's got a dream.
Correct - but not much of a secret - with a paper trail and names named.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
PS: I want to stress again that I do think the American govt is implicated in 9/11 conspiracy - directly or indirectly. What I discount is the notion that in addition to the plane strikes there were demolition charges that brought down the buildings at ground zero, or that a missile instead of a plane struck the Pentagon or that remote controlled planes were used - or Bush was in on it (you can tell he was not when he froze as he was pissing his pants in the classroom). PPS: Stating Bush was not in on it does not mean I discount American involvement. In the post Bush age, even people who are anti-Bush bot tend to be just as perplexed by nuance and complexity and devotees to the dogma of the party line as the Bush-bots themselves. Thus I have to add all these provisions to my statement to ward off the dogma-bots.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
just curious..do you believe the kennedy assassination "lone shooter" tale? that's still the official story as you well know. hell, you can't get a conspiracy much bigger than that one.
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
1. The first problem with the fatalist line of thought is that it gives way too much credit and power to the government and incompetent bureaucrats. Last week's episode of South Park alluded to this very point. It joked that the government itself was actually in charge of all the 9/11 conspiracy publications out there so that people would think that the authorities truly were all powerful. But as most people know, the government can't even administer many of their own pork-barrel spending projects correctly, and yet we are to believe that they masterminded the terrorist attacks. Actually, I don't believe that TPTB care whether their pork barrel projects are done correctly OR effeciently. The objective seems to be removing the money from the taxpayer's pocket to be given to someone or something that will enrich the pocketbooks of TPTB. If competence and efficiency and accountability were required, virtually none of it would be done; OR, in the alternative, Congress actually would OVERSEE what goes one. 2. Of course there is the United Nations which many people, both secular and religious alike, consider a precursor to global government. Again, take a good hard look at the UN and ask yourself if you seriously believe that these international bureaucrats are really capable of taking over the world. If they are barely effective at doing anything right now, how on earth are they going to impose global dictatorship? It makes no rational sense. 'cuse me.....but have you noticed how the UN was used as the justification for attacking Iraq, or used for all sorts of sanctioning hoopla. We can hate the organization all we want, call it all sorts of things, and yet it keeps plodding along in place just like our own government hacks, regardless of party power changes. It is another entity with a lot of tenacles that reach into all aspects of life. The various international courts and other organizations, i.e., WTO, are all a part of the controlling and concentrating of power into smaller and smaller places. Good grief, even ol' stalwart conservative newt gingrich told House Ways and Means Committee that we'd be losing a lot of sovereignty as it regards WTO, but said it would be worth it. And when questioned about pulling out of the organization, he said that the u.s. wouldn't want to be known as the entity that destroyed world trade, and thus they wouldn't do it. Seems to me, this is exactly how all the other bs works....can't pull out of the u.n. because ___________, can't pull out of ointernational legal systems because _______________, can't pull out of NATO because ____________________, etc. And when you look at the European Union, and the in progress American Union, and no doubt there are in the works plans for the Asian Union.........then, you're consolidated down to 3 world leaders. And in no time, there will be a leader from among the three; they will not rule as a triumvirate--mankind is the beast that MUST BE top dog, the king of kings, so to speak. The writer still has a wawys to go.......but then, we all do.
I believe I tend to go more along your line of vision of what is transpiring. Although I believe that it is a natural progression of powerful men to want to be the one at the very top of the heap. There are those who would see the consolidation of a number of things into organizations such as the un, wto, icc, etc., as a step along the way to the consolidation of power eventually to the hands of one person--them. The blending of world areas into a union, i.e., European Union, American Union, and Asian Union would be but a step closer to having a single top dog. There was a paragraph the writer wrote which as I read it I saw people being stuck in a pan of cold water and then the burner being turned on ever so low--for a while--the the burner was turned up just a tad........and then a tad more. That would be the acceptance factor, I guess......just like a frog.
Actually demolition charges and wiring would be one of the easiest things to do. As huge as those complexes were, there had to be workmen in the buildings all the time. There would be no one in those businesses who would know all the workmen. Easy as hell for a guy to don the gear of an electrician, have a little name tag with a company name on it, even know a little bit about electrical systems. A team..........sort of like the plumber gang of Watergate (isn't that what they were called--the guys setting the bugs in the demo's headquarters). And if you want hired assassins, look only to the CIA or special ops. If the price is right, you can get lots done....and it doesn't take that many people. Remote controlled planes or guided missiles......human nature being what it is, and given that no one was looking skyward to observe 'fireworks' (no one knew it was going to happen), but given what is being said continuously (it was planes), humans will tell you they saw a plane...even those who saw a drone or a remote control would---I rather suspect it would be hard, especially given the horrendous catastrophe that occurred, to be able to accurately access whether it was a jumbo jet, a DC7, a drone, a larger than the back yard remote controlled model airplane, or some sort of missile. Just a few of my thoughts regarding the 911 matter.........oh, and for the record, fed gub has/had hired animal and human behaviourists and kept them on payroll. They wanted to know something about what makes human ticks. Just wonder why..... I can see private sector hiring these behaviourists to see what makes humans tick, because they can tailor their products and advertising in such a way as to entice the sheeple to think their product is the only product worth having. Just wonder what the fed gub wants to know about us or what we'll 'buy'.
you are entitled to your opinion, of course, but the problem i have with your discounting the demolition scenario is your refusal to watch the videos i've linked, which says to me that you don't want to see or hear anything that doesn't comport with your preconceptions. you insist that you don't care about the minutiae, that you believe as most of us here do, that the government either let it happen or made it happen, yet you persist with arguing that minutiae anyway.
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
all of that is fully addressed in 911 Mysteries: Demolitions...not to mention William Rodriquez's testimony as well as countless other eyewitnesses who heard the explosions.
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
Being to the Twin Towers on a regular basis - you have to sign in to go in and work - easy enough to track this down. Also, not one worker at the Trade Center reported any such activity. Try not to use Hollywood logic.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
I have seen all the videos - I am a junky for such things - and I discounted the videos - in addition I was across from the WTC when they were hit.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
yeah, bush wasn't in on it. poppy ain't part of carlyle group. carlyle group ain't profitting from the war. the israelis' didn't benefit. the saudis are innocents as well. meanwhile, here on the motherland, poor aren't poor, new orleans isn't a disgrace and a disaster, unemployment isn't devasting communities in michigan and ohio, energy costs aren't through the roof, society isn't a perversion.
yeah...if you can find a passport, you can certainly find employment records, especially if you want to keep track of this work.
evidence had to be destroyed
yeah, the million millionaires have a stake in the pie
Yes, America is just now beginning to understand about the up-until- now "secret" Northwoods document.
Not a problem......ever heard of companies like Jennings that Valerie Plame worked for. IIRC, they are no longer in business. I will say it is amazing that all the workers in the twin towers could remember there were no outside workers in those buildings for any period of time prior to the morning events of 911. As many stories involved, as many elevators involved, as many private, individual businesses involved. If I believed that, I'd just about have to believe that all the employees who reported to the twin towers knew each other, too. Nothing Hollywood about it.....electronic listening devices are planted a lot--ask any of the embassies about what has been found in the past. My husband at one time made electronic listening devices and various government entities were the biggest customers--including Customs. Ask about cameras set up to catch guys making bribery deals. The truth is we have absolutely NO idea what all is done in our name, under black ops of the cia or defense departments or now, da fadderland department. While it is difficult to put one's mind around government doing all it is alleged to do, based on what I do know they have done, I believe anything is possible. Possible....where evil is involved. And there is nothing benign and good about government. The very nature of government is to control people and things. I never would have believed my own government would have done medical experiments on her citizens without their knowledge or consent--but they did. Ditto radiation experiments-- but they did. Killing citizens--but they did and do and will continue doing. Of course, all of this is just my opinion. Not taking sides--yet--regarding 911, but trying to set it out on the table that anything is possible, whether we want to believe it or not--and that is based on evidence already out in the public as fact.
To clear it up......I wasn't asserting that Jennings Company was in on 911....what I was trying to get at was the cia is always making up dummy companies to run things thru. And when SHTF, they merely close down and go on their merry way. Further to that, I was just reading an article this morning regarding the cia and how goss shook everything up--something like 90 high level managers were axed when he went in to clean it up to get a bush leaning set of cia folks. And then toss Negroponte into the mix........he's been around the block for a gazillion years and he was a protege of kissinger.
OK, one more time - unlike in a Hollywood movie where a guy shows up with work clothes and gets in - in the real world you need to SIGN IN and a record is made. That not one of your 'investigators' have thought to look or request to go through those logs is all I need to know about who is serious and who is not.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
Well, DUH! No one is questioning that a person has to come up to a desk and sign in! But anyone can come up and use an alias, or even have false papers (yep! Believe it or not, there exists in this world the ability to make up false documents) < /sarcasm>. There is no need to act high and mighty or defensive or whatever hat you're currently wearing. I worked at a nuclear lab type defense facility many, many years ago (and not far from this Hollywood you keep discussing) and everyone who attempted to enter the facilities had to check in--employees of the facility via badges and visitors thru checklists and escorts by employees. We often had to have OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR WORKERS enter the facilities to do work which we did not have employees to do the work, i.e,., carpenters, electricians, refrigeration specialists, etc. I guarantee the guard/guy at the gate couldn't tell you if they were aliens or bombers or anything else--but they checked in by showing ID and signing a registry.....and then they proceeded to go to where they were supposed to be doing work. Again, the guard that checked them in didn't know what work exactly they were doing, nor did virtually anyone else working at the plant.......and we only had a couple thousand people. As it regards inestigators and logs.....'cuse me, but I don't have any 'investigators'........and no one should have any logs.....remember, the buildings all collapsed in the burning heat n' stuff...are you trying to say that a single passport and a check-in log have both been saved? Logs from both buildings? Or did the logs just flutter down to the ground somehow and were picked up in spite of all the fire, water soaking and the like?
And just so you know..........I don't watch movies or much at all of tv---tv is essentially news, and not the 'entertainment' section. I believe the last movie I saw was several years back when I bought a video about Seabiscuit, the thoroughbred race horse. My brother gave me the 2-volume Pacific before that and I have yet to watch it. Movies just aren't my bag, and tv is 99% stupid stuff. So you can rest your mind that I don't get ideas for my comments from Hollywood. Good grief.......I had to ask Chrissie what this matrix thing is all about that people mention.
Not a hight hat but more of a metal mask actually... "The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
ha! now that's some reasonable deduction !
It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...
Yes, I do. The shooting has been recreated. First shot missed, second shot went through the back of Kennedy's neck, the bullet tumbled, made a keyhole wound in Connoly's rib, exited, hit his wrist, and bounced down into his thigh. The third shot hit Kennedy in the back of his head, right side. It was an easy shot. Oswald was only 180 feet away, with a scope. I've made shots through the target's head, standing, no scope, rifle to shoulder, 300 feet away. Three in a row, right through the target's head.
"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
I've made the same shot while listening to lambada something or other
Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has. - William S. Burroughs
What kind of rifle? Mine was the SKS-45, which I think is pretty much the civilian version of the AK-47. I think it had a ten-round stripper clip, with an eleventh chambered. "We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.
Ummm, artists recreation, that's what I meant to say.
When the going gets weird the weird turn pro. - Hunter S Thompson
But as most people know, the government can't even administer many of their own pork-barrel spending projects correctly, and yet we are to believe that they masterminded the terrorist attacks.
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#3. To: All (#1)
#4. To: YertleTurtle, Burkeman1 (#0)
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Whatever these prophetic texts do mean, they probably aren't referring to the European Union taking over the world. Besides, are we seriously supposed to believe that the oh-so dangerous EU is going to be the vehicle for a totalitarian one-world leader? Are a bunch of brainy and irrelevant guys from Belgium organizations really major players in "Bible prophecy?" This is taking these guys too seriously and not taking the Bible seriously enough.
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Most Americans suspect SOMETHING.
#6. To: Destro (#4)
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Maybe, just maybe the Antichrist is America itself?
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#9. To: Burkeman1 (#1)
The question is- do we live in a country in which it is possible to carry out something like a massive 9/11 type false flag operation
I've already said too much.
#10. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
#11. To: Tauzero, YertleTurtle (#10)
If there's one thing governments do well, it's massive death.
#12. To: Destro (#4)
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Maybe, just maybe the Antichrist is America itself?
#13. To: YertleTurtle (#12)
#14. To: Destro (#11)
True, but the author is not stating that the govt is not capable of killing vast amounts of people
Lord loves a workin' man; don't trust whitey; see a doctor and get rid of it.
#15. To: christine, YertleTurtle (#13)
(i.e. Northwoods document)
#16. To: christine, YertleTurtle, Tauzero, burkeman1 (#15)
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#17. To: YertleTurtle (#12)
#18. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
#19. To: Burkeman1 (#2)
I do think there are "globalists" and even cabals of men who have some sort of "Vision" for this- but it is hardly a "plan" locked in some drawer in the skulls and bones tomb at Yale. I tend to think of the "globalist" being a sort of culture that exists among the jet setters of international finance and government. Not as some conspiracy with 8 guys sitting around a star chamber drinking brandy in sifters and discussing their evil plans for a one world government.
#20. To: Destro (#16)
#21. To: Destro (#16)
What I discount is the notion that in addition to the plane strikes there were demolition charges that brought down the buildings at ground zero, or that a missile instead of a plane struck the Pentagon or that remote controlled planes were used - or Bush was in on it (you can tell he was not when he froze as he was pissing his pants in the classroom).
#22. To: rowdee (#20)
Actually demolition charges and wiring would be one of the easiest things to do. As huge as those complexes were, there had to be workmen in the buildings all the time. There would be no one in those businesses who would know all the workmen. Easy as hell for a guy to don the gear of an electrician, have a little name tag with a company name on it, even know a little bit about electrical systems. A team..........sort of like the plumber gang of Watergate (isn't that what they were called--the guys setting the bugs in the demo's headquarters).
#23. To: rowdee (#20)
Actually demolition charges and wiring would be one of the easiest things to do. As huge as those complexes were, there had to be workmen in the buildings all the time.
#24. To: christine (#21)
#25. To: christine (#21)
#26. To: rowdee (#20)
you have to sign in to go in and work - easy enough to track this down
#27. To: christine (#21)
I discount the notion that in addition to the plane strikes there were demolition charges
#28. To: Burkeman1 (#2)
the "globalist" being a sort of culture that exists among the jet setters of international finance and government
#29. To: christine (#13)
(i.e. Northwoods document)
#30. To: Destro (#23)
Being to the Twin Towers on a regular basis - you have to sign in to go in and work - easy enough to track this down.
#31. To: All (#30)
#32. To: rowdee, swarthyguy (#30)
#33. To: Destro (#32)
OK, one more time - unlike in a Hollywood movie where a guy shows up with work clothes and gets in - in the real world you need to SIGN IN and a record is made.
#34. To: Destro, Christine (#32)
#35. To: rowdee (#33)
There is no need to act high and mighty or defensive or whatever hat you're currently wearing.
#36. To: rowdee (#33)
As it regards inestigators and logs.....'cuse me, but I don't have any 'investigators'........and no one should have any logs.....remember, the buildings all collapsed in the burning heat n' stuff...are you trying to say that a single passport and a check-in log have both been saved? Logs from both buildings? Or did the logs just flutter down to the ground somehow and were picked up in spite of all the fire, water soaking and the like?
#37. To: christine (#17)
just curious..do you believe the kennedy assassination "lone shooter" tale? that's still the official story as you well know. hell, you can't get a conspiracy much bigger than that one.
#38. To: YertleTurtle (#37)
#39. To: Dakmar (#38)
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I've made the same shot while listening to lambada something or other
#40. To: YertleTurtle (#39)
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