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Title: Breaking: Keith Olbermann habeas corpus rant coming up
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Published: Oct 18, 2006
Author: me
Post Date: 2006-10-18 20:42:09 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 637
Comments: 48

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I posted the interview with Turley on LP.(watching msnbc also)

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-10-18   20:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#1)

When he's hot, he's red hot

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-18   20:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Gotta be good. This guy has vision and a voice to tell us what he sees.

tom007  posted on  2006-10-18   20:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

My father, who is dead now, was a great man in many ways. I miss him much. He told me all my life that I should have faith in the American people when that day comes, that they would arise to take back the country from the traitors in our midst, that have been there for so long. I hate to admit it, but he was wrong. The American people are asleep, and will continue to sleep, and during their slumber, drag the country into despotic tyranny, slavery, and death, and if a few should shake themselves into a temporary soberness, their first comment will be, is my Medicare Part B still intact, or perhaps, how much are the payments a month.

VIDEO
Today, 135 years to the day after the last American President (Ulysses S. Grant) suspended habeas corpus, President Bush signed into law the Military Commissions Act of 2006. At its worst, the legislation allows President Bush or Donald Rumsfeld to declare anyone — US citizen or not — an enemy combatant, lock them up and throw away the key without a chance to prove their innocence in a court of law. In other words, every thing the Founding Fathers fought the British empire to free themselves of was reversed and nullified with the stroke of a pen, all under the guise of the War on Terror. Jonathan Turley joined Keith to talk about the law that Senator Feingold said would be seen as "a stain on our nation's history." Turley: "People have no idea how significant this is. Really a time of shame this is for the American system.—The strange thing is that we have become sort of constitutional couch potatoes. The Congress just gave the President despotic powers and you could hear the yawn across the country as people turned to Dancing With the Stars. It's otherworldly..People clearly don't realize what a fundamental change it is about who we are as a country. What happened today changed us. And I'm not too sure we're gonna change back anytime soon."

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-10-18   21:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull, itisa1mosttoolate, ALL (#0)

this one might be his best so far.

how soon will it be online to post?

It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...

christine  posted on  2006-10-18   21:00:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tom007 (#3)

Nuts...all I caught was "Good night, and good luck"...

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-10-18   21:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Did you happpen to notice when Olberman interviewed BJC? Clinton looked very nervous and was measuring every word. Olberman is ripping W a new one.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-10-18   21:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#1)

I posted the interview with Turley on LP.

Turley's last 45 seconds summed it up. History isn't going to be kind to us. The generation born today will in 30 years look back on this period and it's people with loathing and contempt. And who could blame them, since they are the ones who will be living in the ashes of history's biggest funeral pyre.

"First I'm gonna bother everybody I meet, and then I'll probably go home and get drunk."

orangedog  posted on  2006-10-18   21:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: orangedog (#8)

Turley's last 45 seconds summed it up

Turley was correct, the Supreme Court will roll over and play dead.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-10-18   21:15:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull, Death of Habeas Corpus ...Video Transcript 101706 (#0) (Edited)

HABEAS CORPUS 1789-2006



Here's the MSNBC link .....Death of Habeas Corpus ...Video & Transcript


I'm in favor of this law ... This law means that President Hillary can declare that fat heads like Rush, Hannity, and O'Reilly are enemies of the state, and throw them in prison..... torture them ... and we'll never hear them scream for help.

{Before you go off the deep end ... that was sarcasm}

Lettre de cachet
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In French history, lettres de cachet were letters signed by the king of France, countersigned by one of his ministers, and closed with the royal seal, or cachet. They contained orders directly from the king, often to enforce arbitrary actions and judgements that could not be appealed.
In the case of organized bodies lettres de cachet were issued for the purpose of preventing assembly or to accomplish some other definite act. The provincial estates were convoked in this manner, and it was by a lettre de cachet (in this case, a lettre de jussipri), or by showing in person in a lit de justice, that the king ordered a parlement (a court of justice) to register a law in the teeth of its own refusal to pass it.
The best-known lettres de cachet, however, were penal, by which a subject was sentenced without trial and without an opportunity of defense to imprisonment in a state prison or an ordinary jail, confinement in a convent or a hospital, transportation to the colonies, or expulsion to another part of the realm. The wealthy sometimes bought such lettres to dispose of unwanted individuals.
In this respect, the lettres de cachet were a prominent symbol of the abuses of the ancien régime monarchy, and as such were suppressed during the French Revolution.

George the II our new FRENCH KING

Zipporah  posted on  2006-10-18   21:23:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Zipporah, all (#10)

This isn't the one that was on 30 mins ago, Zip. It was by far and away his best rant. We are in some deep poop and Olbermann let it all hang out. Screw these dogs. I refuse to shut up, and I'm sure most here feel the same.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-18   21:31:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull, Countdown Special Comment, Death of Habeas Corpus, Your words are lies, Sir. (#11)

Here it is! From 0/18/06

Countdown Special Comment: Death of Habeas Corpus: “Your words are lies, Sir.”

By: John Amato on Wednesday, October 18th, 2006 at 6:30 PM - PDT Submit
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Keith Olbermann has been calling it like it is. His "Special Comments" are indeed special because no other talking head outside of Cafferty is willing to step up to the plate and say what needs to be said on 24/7. "Your words are lies, Sir." They are lies, that imperil us all.' Sounds about right to me.

Video is coming…

Olbermann: And lastly, as promised, a Special Comment tonight on the signing of the Military Commissions Act and the loss of Habeas Corpus.

We have lived as if in a trance. We have lived… as people in fear.

And now — our rights and our freedoms in peril — we slowly awake to learn that we have been afraid… of the wrong thing.

Therefore, tonight, have we truly become, the inheritors of our American legacy. For, on this first full day that the Military Commissions Act is in force, we now face what our ancestors faced, at other times of exaggerated crisis and melodramatic fear-mongering:

And lastly, as promised, a Special Comment tonight on the signing of the Military Commissions Act and the loss of Habeas Corpus.

We have lived as if in a trance.

We have lived… as people in fear.

And now — our rights and our freedoms in peril — we slowly awake to learn that we have been afraid… of the wrong thing.

Therefore, tonight, have we truly become, the inheritors of our American legacy.

For, on this first full day that the Military Commissions Act is in force, we now face what our ancestors faced, at other times of exaggerated crisis and melodramatic fear-mongering:

A government more dangerous to our liberty, than is the enemy it claims to protect us from.

We have been here before — and we have been here before led here — by men better and wiser and nobler than George W. Bush.

We have been here when President John Adams insisted that the Alien and Sedition Acts were necessary to save American lives — only to watch him use those Acts to jail newspaper editors.

American newspaper editors, in American jails, for things they wrote, about America.

We have been here, when President Woodrow Wilson insisted that the Espionage Act was necessary to save American lives — only to watch him use that Act to prosecute 2,000 Americans, especially those he disparaged as "Hyphenated Americans," most of whom were guilty only of advocating peace in a time of war.

American public speakers, in American jails, for things they said, about America.

And we have been here when President Franklin D. Roosevelt insisted that Executive Order 9-0-6-6 was necessary to save American lives — only to watch him use that Order to imprison and pauperize 110-thousand Americans…

While his man-in-charge…

…. General DeWitt, told Congress: "It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen — he is still a Japanese."

n

Wise words.

n

And ironic ones, Mr. Bush.

n

Your own, of course, yesterday, in signing the Military Commissions nAct.

n

You spoke so much more than you know, Sir.

n

Sadly — of course — the distance of history will recognize that the n threat this generation of Americans needed to take seriously… was you.

n

We have a long and painful history of ignoring the prophecy attributed to n Benjamin Franklin that "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase n a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

n

But even within this history, we have not before codified, the poisoning of n Habeas Corpus, that wellspring of protection from which all essential n liberties flow.

n

You, sir, have now befouled that spring.

n

You, sir, have now given us chaos and called it order.

n

You, sir, have now imposed subjugation and called it freedom.

n

For the most vital… the most urgent… the most inescapable of n reasons.

n

And — again, Mr. Bush — all of them, wrong.

n

n

We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who has n said it is unacceptable to compare anything this country has ever done, to n anything the terrorists have ever done.

n

We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who has n insisted again that "the United States does not torture. It’s against our laws n and it’s against our values" and who has said it with a straight face while n the pictures from Abu Ghraib Prison and the stories of Waterboarding n figuratively fade in and out, around him.

n

We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who may n now, if he so decides, declare not merely any non-American citizens "Unlawful n Enemy Combatants" and ship them somewhere — anywhere — but may now, if he so n decides, declare you an "Unlawful Enemy Combatant" and ship you somewhere - n anywhere.

n

And if you think this, hyperbole or hysteria… ask the newspaper editors n when John Adams was President, or the pacifists when Woodrow Wilson was n President, or the Japanese at Manzanar when Franklin Roosevelt was n President.”,1] ); //–>

Wise words.

And ironic ones, Mr. Bush.

Your own, of course, yesterday, in signing the Military Commissions Act.

You spoke so much more than you know, Sir.

Sadly — of course — the distance of history will recognize that the threat this generation of Americans needed to take seriously… was you.

We have a long and painful history of ignoring the prophecy attributed to Benjamin Franklin that "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

But even within this history, we have not before codified, the poisoning of Habeas Corpus, that wellspring of protection from which all essential liberties flow.

You, sir, have now befouled that spring.

You, sir, have now given us chaos and called it order.

You, sir, have now imposed subjugation and called it freedom.

For the most vital… the most urgent… the most inescapable of reasons.

And — again, Mr. Bush — all of them, wrong.

We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who has said it is unacceptable to compare anything this country has ever done, to anything the terrorists have ever done.

We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who has insisted again that "the United States does not torture. It's against our laws and it's against our values" and who has said it with a straight face while the pictures from Abu Ghraib Prison and the stories of Waterboarding figuratively fade in and out, around him.

We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who may now, if he so decides, declare not merely any non-American citizens "Unlawful Enemy Combatants" and ship them somewhere — anywhere — but may now, if he so decides, declare you an "Unlawful Enemy Combatant" and ship you somewhere - anywhere.

And if you think this, hyperbole or hysteria… ask the newspaper editors when John Adams was President, or the pacifists when Woodrow Wilson was President, or the Japanese at Manzanar when Franklin Roosevelt was President.

n

Not his actions, nor the actions of a ceaseless line of terrorists (real or n imagined), could measure up to what you have wrought.

n

Habeas Corpus? Gone.

n

The Geneva Conventions? Optional.

n

The Moral Force we shined outwards to the world as an eternal beacon, and n inwards at ourselves as an eternal protection? Snuffed out.

n

These things you have done, Mr. Bush… they would be "the beginning of the n end of America."

n

And did it even occur to you once sir — somewhere in amidst those eight n separate, gruesome, intentional, terroristic invocations of the horrors of n 9/11 — that with only a little further shift in this world we now know — n just a touch more repudiation of all of that for which our patriots died n —

n

Did it ever occur to you once, that in just 27 months and two days from now n when you leave office, some irresponsible future President and a "competent n tribunal" of lackeys would be entitled, by the actions of your own hand, to n declare the status of "Unlawful Enemy Combatant" for… and convene a Military n Commission to try… not John Walker Lindh, but George Walker Bush?

n

For the most vital, the most urgent, the most inescapable of reasons.

n

And doubtless, Sir, all of them — as always — wrong.

n

n

Joe Scarborough is next.

n

Good night, and good luck.

nn”,0] ); //–>

Not his actions, nor the actions of a ceaseless line of terrorists (real or imagined), could measure up to what you have wrought.

Habeas Corpus? Gone.

The Geneva Conventions? Optional.

The Moral Force we shined outwards to the world as an eternal beacon, and inwards at ourselves as an eternal protection? Snuffed out.

These things you have done, Mr. Bush… they would be "the beginning of the end of America."

And did it even occur to you once sir — somewhere in amidst those eight separate, gruesome, intentional, terroristic invocations of the horrors of 9/11 — that with only a little further shift in this world we now know — just a touch more repudiation of all of that for which our patriots died —

Did it ever occur to you once, that in just 27 months and two days from now when you leave office, some irresponsible future President and a "competent tribunal" of lackeys would be entitled, by the actions of your own hand, to declare the status of "Unlawful Enemy Combatant" for… and convene a Military Commission to try… not John Walker Lindh, but George Walker Bush?

For the most vital, the most urgent, the most inescapable of reasons.

And doubtless, sir, all of them — as always — wrong.

Joe Scarborough is next.

Good night, and good luck.

Zipporah  posted on  2006-10-18   21:42:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

I just got satellite yesterday, after being without TV, more or less, for about five years. I have been watching Keith on YouTube and other sources for a long time. This was perhaps his best. It was incredibly well-written. After a while, SIR sounded like PUNK. Or ASSWIPE.

Pat Buchanan came on after, and went on a tirade about Bush and his punks. This is why I still have a lot of hope. The real conservatives and the real liberals agree on the basic points...we fight about everything else, but democracy, fair play, the sacredness of the vote, etc. are not debatable to people who really care about the country, not just their bank account and inviolable power. It's time to clear these punks out and let real Republicans and real Democrats get back to fighting about the ways to get where all of us want to go.

Chuckie the Scar, who doesn't seem to have a single real belief, is at least predictably floating with the wind. But the idea of comparing Clinton lying about sex and Bush lying about getting hundreds of thousands of Americans and Iraqis killed and maimed is just SO disingenuous (read: lying mofo who will never admit he was wrong) it makes me sick. This might not be a stomach virus, it may be the realization that the GOP is going to hold onto at least one house of congress, through vicious, constant attack ads.

The Chicago Tribune endorsed my fave candidate, Tammy Duckworth, today. I am not sure of the exact figures, but this might be only the second Dem ever endorsed by the Trib. Maybe even the first. I talked to her last week, and she said she did well in the mini-debate you hold for the Trib editorials staff. That she beat her opponent like a rug is very encouraging. That seat has been Repuke since 1964 or even earlier.

I think this election is mainl about Iraq, but corruption and the lousy economy are closing in fast. I'm voting for a Republican because I detest the corruption in the Dem party in Chicago. I think a LOT of people are going to pull the trigger for that reason. And it will hurt Repukes a lot more than Dems.

But, the GOP is MUCH better at getting people to the polls on the last weekend than Dems are. I know here in a basically blue state, that won't work, and Ohio is going totally blue this time. But other states, like Washington and Missouri and a few others, may still be salvageable for the GOP. They yanked money out of Ohio today, leaving DeWine to twist in the wind, to spend it in Tennessee and New Jersey and other states. Bush raised over a million for the Repukes running against Duckworth and Bean; I think that is money flushed down the toilet. I hope their judgment continues that way.

It is sad that money plays such a big role in politics. They should force TV and other media to set aside a certain percentage for political ads, divvy it up equally, and keep the percentage the same up to the election. And they should also force the ad buyers to abide by certain rules, such as volume and photoshopping. If the ads against Duckworth weren't so hilarious (paid by the RNCC, not her opponent), they'd be evil. They did the same thing TIME did to OJ, darkening her skin, making her look evil. She's part Asian, and they completely ruined her looks. The catch is, most of her future consituents have seen her live and know it's nonsense.

I still hope for a landslide, but the GOP is REAL good at getting their voters out, and convincing them to vote when they are fed up. I'll be sweating Nov. 7, but think it's going to be a disaster for the GOP, and if they manage to hold on to both houses, they're going to pay in two years.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-10-18   21:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Zipporah (#12)

My goodness, Zip......you're quick :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-18   21:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

OH how I could say so many things to that ..but I'll leave it up to the imagination :P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-10-18   21:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Mekons4 (#13)

After a while, SIR sounded like PUNK. Or ASSWIPE.

Yep...there's an honesty in his rants that I pick up on. I don't think it's an act - he really seems pissed. Tonight was his best.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-18   21:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Zipporah (#15)

hehehehehehe.....i tossed that slow ball right over the plate for you, too.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-18   21:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

Uh huh :P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-10-18   21:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Uncle Bill (#4)

The Congress just gave the President despotic powers and you could hear the yawn across the country as people turned to Dancing With the Stars. It's otherworldly..

Bread and circuses for the masses apparently works quite well.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-10-18   21:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Zipporah (#12)

Did it ever occur to you once, that in just 27 months and two days from now n when you leave office, some irresponsible future President and a "competent n tribunal" of lackeys would be entitled, by the actions of your own hand, to n declare the status of "Unlawful Enemy Combatant" for… and convene a Military n Commission to try… not John Walker Lindh, but George Walker Bush?

All I can think is, they have no intention of ever losing another election. If they rig this one, it's time to just stand up and march on Washington and not leave until that little punk gets in a helicopter and heads to Guatamala. I have no idea if those reports of him buying a huge plantation there are true, but in my paranoid moments, I figure he's going to throw a hail mary pass and if he loses, go somewhere where the cops can't get near him.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-10-18   21:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mekons4 (#20)

d not leave until that little punk gets in a helicopter and heads to Guatamala. I

He's bought a 100,000 acres in Paraguay. For real. Prolly where Kenny Lay is getting a suntan as we speak.

tom007  posted on  2006-10-18   21:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Mekons4 (#20)

All I can think is, they have no intention of ever losing another election. If they rig this one, it's time to just stand up and march on Washington and not leave until that little punk gets in a helicopter and heads to Guatamala. I have no idea if those reports of him buying a huge plantation there are true, but in my paranoid moments, I figure he's going to throw a hail mary pass and if he loses, go somewhere where the cops can't get near him.

They speak of 3rd world countries and how unfair the elections are how they are fixed.. I recall a film about South America unfortunately I dont recall the title..seems like Geoffrey Rush starred but at any rate.. but the film depicted life under a regime.. that film came to mind today.. thinking how we very well may be headed in that direction...

Zipporah  posted on  2006-10-18   22:06:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Zipporah, robin (#22)

Amir Abbas Fakhravar is one of the most prominent dissidents in Iran. A former medical student and journalist, he was arrested and imprisoned after the publication of his anti-regime book This Place Is Not a Ditch. While on a leave from prison he fled the authorities, and has been on the run ever since. From the Iranian underground, he coordinates the activities of various dissident groups, and for this reason the regime has (according to his knowledge) issued a standing order for the police to shoot him on sight.

Counting the Minutes
A conversation with Iranian dissident Amir Abbas Fakhravar.

Some things just sound like lies, this is another one.

When the going gets weird the weird turn pro. - Hunter S Thompson

Dakmar  posted on  2006-10-18   22:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

When's it comming??

tom007  posted on  2006-10-18   22:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: tom007 (#21)

Prolly where Kenny Lay is getting a suntan as we speak.

that's what i posted to mehitable yesterday.

It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...

christine  posted on  2006-10-18   22:27:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Uncle Bill (#4)

what year did your dad die, Bill?

It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...

christine  posted on  2006-10-18   22:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#25)

Oops, too late!

Most Profound Man in Iraq — an unidentified farmer in a fairly
remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if
he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

Esso  posted on  2006-10-18   22:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Esso (#27)

Excellent video.. interesting they didnt identify the 'terrorists' now did they

Zipporah  posted on  2006-10-18   22:41:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Esso (#27)

yes indeed, the "terrorists" have won.

It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...

christine  posted on  2006-10-18   22:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine (#26)

2003. I miss him daily.

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-10-18   22:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: christine, robin, zipporah, red jones, indrid cold (#25)

Prolly where Kenny Lay is getting a suntan as we speak.

that's what i posted to mehitable yesterday.

Enter Screen Names of recipients separated by commas or semicolons.

Better learn Gurrani. I really may go to Paraguay in the next few years. I am a fan of South America. I seem to be off to Australia, the Gold Coast, (Brisbane region)in Febuary for three weeks.

tom007  posted on  2006-10-18   22:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: tom007 (#31)

VIDEO: Bush is "A Clear and Present Danger to the Country"

VIDEO: MSNBC Countdown : "RIP Habeas Corpus & the Bill of Rights"

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Death of Habeas Corpus: “Your words are lies, Sir.”

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-10-18   23:12:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Uncle Bill (#30)

i thought perhaps longer ago since he still had some hope for the american people. i think things have deteriorated rapidly even since 2003 though.

It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...

christine  posted on  2006-10-18   23:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: tom007 (#31)

I seem to be off to Australia, the Gold Coast, (Brisbane region)in Febuary for three weeks.

Are you?? That's so cool tom.. have a great time & take photos! :P

Zipporah  posted on  2006-10-18   23:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Uncle Bill, Cynicom, Mekons4, Jethro Tull, tom007, All (#32)

as much as i enjoyed the bush bash, i wish Olbermann would also say that congress bears equal responsibility in this rather than acting as if bush did it unilaterally.

It was a ten second free fall..that's what I saw, that's what you saw..that's what everybody saw...

christine  posted on  2006-10-18   23:28:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#35)

as much as i enjoyed the bush bash, i wish Olbermann would also say that congress bears equal responsibility in this rather than acting as if bush did it unilaterally.

Ah, now you are checking out the Pied Piper, which is very good.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-10-18   23:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: christine, Uncle Bill, all (#33)

I used to think Olbermann was a pompous jerk. Forgive me. His "rant" from earlier tonight was mesmerizing.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-10-18   23:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#35)

as much as i enjoyed the bush bash, i wish Olbermann would also say that congress bears equal responsibility in this rather than acting as if bush did it unilaterally.

Notice to give his tune and himself more credibility, he even took a swipe at FDR.

Beautiful tune he plays, everything we want to hear.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-10-18   23:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: christine (#35)

as much as i enjoyed the bush bash, i wish Olbermann would also say that congress bears equal responsibility in this rather than acting as if bush did it unilaterally.

Exactly WHO wrote this piece of legislation?

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-10-18   23:36:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: christine (#33)

One of the things that really infuriated him, and also probably alerted him that he was wrong, I believe, is when he saw everything that happened at Waco. Nobody was held accountable, government officials were even promoted. The first time I showed him the following photo, he just sat there in the kitchen and stared at it for some time, and one big tear just rolled down his cheek, and he didn't say anything at that moment. He was just quiet. It was one of the very few times I saw him ever shed a tear. He knew the implications and tyranny that would follow. And he knew Americans were shrugging.

WACO: The Rules of Engagement - Part 1

WACO: The Rules of Engagement - Part 2

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Death of Habeas Corpus: “Your words are lies, Sir.”

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-10-18   23:37:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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